Federer (2007 Hamburg) WIN vs (2009 Madrid)

05-18-2009, 05:30 PM
Which win is bigger/better for the man and which win is bigger in general tennis terms?

Action Jackson
05-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Neither, because he didn't win RG in 2007 and is not likely to do it this year.

05-18-2009, 05:44 PM
why isnt Estoril 2008 on the poll...?

05-18-2009, 05:44 PM
Both are similar as they came on a surface very very different from the Roland Garros. But the biggest difference is that Federina seems to have learnt his lesson. After the Hamburg win he said he had figured out the formula to beat Nadal on clay. And then he got crushed at the Roland Garros. Now he knows he can't beat Nadal at the French Open. So he is not making such comments.

05-18-2009, 05:50 PM
I think the Madrid one, because he managed to beat Rafa on clay on straight sets on his home country, he hasn't won a MS since 2007, hasn't gotten a title on 2009, this is a confidence boost very much needed ;)

he won't win RG 2009, but I give him a shot at Wimbledon and the USO now :)

05-18-2009, 05:56 PM
This one was bigger to Federer. His confidence needed far more of a boost now than it did in 07. Plus this one was in Nadals own backyard. Don't think for a second that doesn't matter to either of them.
Hamburg was bigger to tennis because the clay winning streak was longer, although this one stopped the 3 clay MS in a row so it's not irrelevant either.

05-18-2009, 07:01 PM
Tactically- Madrid 09.
But his form was better in 2007 Hamburg

05-18-2009, 07:39 PM
This one is bigger, because Nadal is in his peak, and because he finally managed to bring his game style into a match with Nadal. No long rallies, covering his BH masterfully, winning all the big points.

This is Sparta
05-18-2009, 07:43 PM
Hamburg, because of the bagel...

05-18-2009, 07:45 PM
Neither is big obviously but he needed this one more.

05-18-2009, 08:00 PM
Hamburg was his first win against Nadal on clay and it ended a monstrous winning streak. For me, the Hamburg win was better, but under the circumstances, the Madrid win might work wonders for Roger.

05-18-2009, 08:16 PM
This years means more for his confidence, that's for sure, but he was playing better in 2007 obviously. So playing as patchy as he has done, this win means a lot, a straight setter over Nadal, I think he'll take that.

Johnny Groove
05-18-2009, 08:19 PM
Bump this thread in 3 weeks.

05-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Well, in this last one, Nadal played an hour more (give or take a few minutes) against Djokovic than he did back then when he beat Hewitt.

Federer feels comfortable on Hamburg's clay, so I'd say given all the circumstances they are about equal in value, but since Federer has not won an AMS in a year, he might say that this win helped his confidence quite a bit.

05-18-2009, 09:07 PM

05-18-2009, 09:09 PM
Stupid thread.

05-19-2009, 01:57 AM
Care to elaborate why?

05-19-2009, 02:17 AM
identical :lol:

05-19-2009, 03:28 AM
Madrid obviously, Roger played great and beat Nadal, who wasn't at his best but much better than he was in Hamburg.

05-19-2009, 05:37 AM
both have their respective importance both in history/records terms and to Roger's confidence and belief, but given the following:

- Roger of 2009 has been almost a shadow of his former self.

- has not won a TMS title for almost 2 years.

- struggling mentally and with confidence to close out matches.

- has not won a big match for a while.

- has been on a losing streak to Nadal.

I'd give Madrid's win a slight edge over Hamburg.

prima donna
06-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Bump this thread in 3 weeks.
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