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Djokovic is still the biggest threat to Nadal at RG (?)

zlaja777
05-17-2009, 05:03 PM
Fed won Madrid, but I still think that only Novak can seriously threat Nadal at French Open.

finishingmove
05-17-2009, 05:07 PM
favourites for roland garros:

federer
del potro
murray
ginepri
nadal
djokovic

Pfloyd
05-17-2009, 05:08 PM
Yeah....after much thinking I think that conclusion makes sense.

Babolat - Dan
05-17-2009, 05:09 PM
I agree that Djokovic has a great chance at the French. :)

Snowwy
05-17-2009, 05:09 PM
favourites for roland garros:

Oscar Hernendez
Chris Guccione
federer
del potro
murray
ginepri
nadal
djokovic

Fixed ;)

TennisViewer531
05-17-2009, 05:11 PM
I am inclined to agree with this...

http://www.tennisguru.net/2009/05/17/madrid-masters-federer-wins-first-title-of-2009/

marcRD
05-17-2009, 05:16 PM
I agree.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 05:17 PM
Actually James Blake is the overwhelming favorite given his recent play. He's a fucking clay legend! :rocker2:

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 05:18 PM
djokovic is nadal's main threat, but no more than that.

Jaz
05-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Is this a djoke?

Greatness
05-17-2009, 05:28 PM
Novak's fitness is the main problem for him right now.

Another thing that bothers me is that even if he can run out of gas, one thing he can always do is play aggressive to shorten the rallies yet he doesn't do that most of the time against Nadal. I swear whenever he does that he always wins the set decisively (6-2 or 6-3).

He needs to stand exactly on the baseline, hold his ground and go for his shots without hesitating.

Ozone
05-17-2009, 05:29 PM
:lol: Nole lost in 3, Fed easily won in 2. Nole may be biggest threat to push Nadal to 5, but Federer is the one who has the best chance to beat him.

Garson007
05-17-2009, 05:29 PM
Without a doubt. Anyone saying anything else are outright lies. :p

El Legenda
05-17-2009, 05:30 PM
The Legenda.

Ozone
05-17-2009, 05:31 PM
Garson, how about watching the final and watching Federer pound Rafa on clay in his home crowd. In straight sets too. Nole is 0/9 on clay vs. Rafa, Federer is much better and can win convincingly.

philosophicalarf
05-17-2009, 05:31 PM
Djokovic couldn't beat an slightly below par Nadal yesterday, in the best-of-3 format. He's got no chance on much slower courts, in best-of-5.

Federer has even less chance than last year.

Nathaliia
05-17-2009, 05:33 PM
I doubt Fed could dream of winning a set here if Nole had not exhausted Nadal yesterday, let alone the mental fatigue from weeks before. RG will be another story.

Garson007
05-17-2009, 05:33 PM
Garson, how about watching the final and watching Federer pound Rafa on clay in his home crowd. In straight sets too. Nole is 0/9 on clay vs. Rafa, Federer is much better and can win convincingly.
How about you compare Nadal of yesterday to today?

pica_pica
05-17-2009, 05:35 PM
Everything will depend on the draw now.
If Nole's on Rafa's side, then he may tire Rafa out and Roger may have more chance. But then, you get a day's rest at GS.
But if Murray gets to SF and faces Roger, maybe he'll tire Roger out too.
If Nole's on Roger's side, then a Rafa-Nole final and another Rafa-Fed final is 50-50.
And I think Nole and Roger will also tire each other out. But again, you get a day's rest before final.

maki925
05-17-2009, 05:36 PM
How about you compare Nadal of yesterday to today?


:worship:

Chiseller
05-17-2009, 05:37 PM
Nando will take him out in an epic 5 setter.

Mechlan
05-17-2009, 05:40 PM
Injury is the biggest only threat to Nadal at RG.

BaselineSmash
05-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Probably, but then has Novak ever taken a set off Rafa at RG? No.

tea
05-17-2009, 05:43 PM
true

ossie
05-17-2009, 05:44 PM
nadal wont drop a set at rg mark my words

marcRD
05-17-2009, 06:34 PM
I really hope Nadal will be forced to play Ferrer, Verdasco and Djokovic all in a run before the final (Ferrer and Verdasco potentialy taking a set and Djokovic taking Nadal to 5). It would be unfair, but it would atleast make things exciting in the final.

vidanhv
05-17-2009, 06:53 PM
Of course. Fed's win today after Nadal's four hour match with Djokovic and his lil injury is not a representative sample of any kind. Only Djoko can challenge fit Nadal at the moment, no doubt!

w78dexon_y
05-17-2009, 07:02 PM
Fed won Madrid, but I still think that only Novak can seriously threat Nadal at French Open.

yes. Provided that he changes his mindset. He MUST BELIEVE he can beat Nadal. Yesterday, he didn't believe. He choked. That's why he lost a match that was already sittin' in his pocket.

However, today's match was a joke. I don't take it seriously.

superslam77
05-17-2009, 07:05 PM
i hope he has to play gaudio at first round,montanes 2nd,mosquito ferrero 3rd ,nalbandian 4th, QTR verdasco,SF djokovic and F federer

w78dexon_y
05-17-2009, 07:06 PM
FO prediction:

Murray!

He beats tired Djokovic after he dispatched Nadal in 5 (after 6 hours play!)in semi. Murray will make federer's forehand to be shaky in the other s/f and beat him comfortably in straight.

Okonsky
05-17-2009, 07:09 PM
I doubt Fed could dream of winning a set here if Nole had not exhausted Nadal yesterday, let alone the mental fatigue from weeks before. RG will be another story.

Finally one post I can rely on.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-17-2009, 07:10 PM
The thread seems to imply that Novak has a chance against Nadal at RG. He has none. This was a high altitude, fast surface match and a subpar Nadal. If Novak plays Rafa at the French, he will go down in straights, like he always does. Unfortunately Federer will meet the same fate.

Okonsky
05-17-2009, 07:12 PM
Fed won Madrid, but I still think that only Novak can seriously threat Nadal at French Open.

It would be great but Novak never proves himself as a quality 5 setter. First things first.

chowdahead25
05-17-2009, 07:18 PM
i hope he has to play gaudio at first round,montanes 2nd,mosquito ferrero 3rd ,nalbandian 4th, QTR verdasco,SF djokovic and F federer

:haha::haha:
:haha::haha:

chowdahead25
05-17-2009, 07:21 PM
Honestly, I'm trying not to gauge too much on todays match, because the conditions are different.
However, I think both Roger and Nole could challenge and possibly beat Rafa at RG.
I think this week gave Roger his confidence back, so anything can happen.

How about:
R1: Seppi
R2: Ferrero
R3: Robredo(depends on seeding) or Montanes or Gaudio or you get the idea
R4: Ferrer/Davydenko
QF: Verdasco
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

I dont see him winning the tournament with a draw like this. Obvious r1-r3 doesnt matter, but r4-f would be brutal even for Nadal.

Mr. Magassi
05-17-2009, 07:23 PM
I think Djoke is bigger threat in a best of 3 setter, but 5 sets... I'll go with Fed.

Okonsky
05-17-2009, 07:24 PM
I think Djoke is bigger threat in a best of 3 setter, but 5 sets... I'll go with Fed.

True, sad but true.

rwn
05-17-2009, 07:27 PM
Djokovic has never beaten Nadal on clay. He´s no threat.

GlennMirnyi
05-17-2009, 07:33 PM
The Legenda.

Enough said.

:worship:

superslam77
05-17-2009, 07:41 PM
Honestly, I'm trying not to gauge too much on todays match, because the conditions are different.
However, I think both Roger and Nole could challenge and possibly beat Rafa at RG.
I think this week gave Roger his confidence back, so anything can happen.

How about:
R1: Seppi
R2: Ferrero
R3: Robredo(depends on seeding) or Montanes or Gaudio or you get the idea
R4: Ferrer/Davydenko
QF: Verdasco
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

I dont see him winning the tournament with a draw like this. Obvious r1-r3 doesnt matter, but r4-f would be brutal even for Nadal.

:worship: i owe you good rep but i've run out of it.

CyBorg
05-17-2009, 07:46 PM
I prefer Novak's mental approach to Roger's against Nadal. He plays a more physical, more punishing game too.

However, even though Roger far from convinced me today with the Madrid final match, his movement is superb and far better than Djokovic's. This is where I definitely prefer him to Novak.

Ultimately though I go with the younger player, not the old dog. If someone unseats Nadal it'll be Djokovic.

However I don't think we'll see an "unseating" this year.

pica_pica
05-17-2009, 07:49 PM
Honestly, I'm trying not to gauge too much on todays match, because the conditions are different.
However, I think both Roger and Nole could challenge and possibly beat Rafa at RG.
I think this week gave Roger his confidence back, so anything can happen.

How about:
R1: Seppi
R2: Ferrero
R3: Robredo(depends on seeding) or Montanes or Gaudio or you get the idea
R4: Ferrer/Davydenko
QF: Verdasco
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

I dont see him winning the tournament with a draw like this. Obvious r1-r3 doesnt matter, but r4-f would be brutal even for Nadal.
Not entirely impossible if Rafa got a draw like this.

I have the feeling that any conqueror of Nadal won't win the tournament because he'll be exhausted, except of course if he conquered him at the final.

pica_pica
05-17-2009, 07:51 PM
I think Fed's win today could do good to Novak because he's not so exposed as the clay #2. We all know he does better flying under the radar.

CyBorg
05-17-2009, 08:03 PM
Honestly, I'm trying not to gauge too much on todays match, because the conditions are different.
However, I think both Roger and Nole could challenge and possibly beat Rafa at RG.
I think this week gave Roger his confidence back, so anything can happen.

How about:
R1: Seppi
R2: Ferrero
R3: Robredo(depends on seeding) or Montanes or Gaudio or you get the idea
R4: Ferrer/Davydenko
QF: Verdasco
SF: Djokovic
F: Federer

I dont see him winning the tournament with a draw like this.

I do.

You to remember just how good Nadal is on the RG surface. How much he loves the conditions there. How good he is in best-of-five matches. The fact that he'll have a full week's rest.

d3ck
05-17-2009, 08:19 PM
Garson, how about watching the final and watching Federer pound Rafa on clay in his home crowd. In straight sets too. Nole is 0/9 on clay vs. Rafa, Federer is much better and can win convincingly.

I think if I don't remember bad, in both Clay finals lost vs Roger (Hamburg & Madrid) we found a tired, not fresh Nadal.

"I'm tired, Roger is perfect, 4-6 4-6, no?"

Nole would have won 6-2 6-1 against today's Rafa.

IMHO

Skyward
05-17-2009, 08:27 PM
What has Djokovic done against Nadal in the best of 5 on any surface?
It would be great if he did not retire for a change.

rofe
05-17-2009, 11:27 PM
I see Rafatards whining that Novak should not be in Nadal's half (even though it is random). Ok, lets assume that he does fall in Nadal's half. So what?

novak has known endurance problems over 5-set matches and Nadal will have an extra day to recuperate.

If the key to Nadal not being his best in the final is how much time he spends in the SF then I contend that Murray might be more dangerous. Neither Murray not Djokovic are going to win but if Nadal gets "tired" after playing an SF, Murray seems to be better suited to make it happen.

Murray has proven that he can not just hang with Nadal in the 5-set format but even win. He won their match at the USO and made Nadal really "tired" at the AO so that Nadal could be exploited. Yes, they were HC matches but this is more a question of who can make Nadal "tired".

What has Djokovic done to make him a threat in a 5-set match against Nadal? :scratch:

Bilbo
05-17-2009, 11:30 PM
not in a best-of-5 match imo

Bilbo
05-17-2009, 11:31 PM
he will either have nole in his half or will meet him in the final

so it doesn't matter

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-17-2009, 11:34 PM
he will either have nole in his half or will meet him in the final

so it doesn't matter

???

Can you explain why it is such a nailed on certainty that he will get past Federer, a player he has a losing record against and also a clay losing record?

This is just Federer bashing. I know Fed has been sucking recently but this is just a silly comment.

luie
05-17-2009, 11:35 PM
???

Can you explain why it is such a nailed on certainty that he will get past Federer, a player he has a losing record against and also a clay losing record?

This is just Federer bashing. I know Fed has been sucking recently but this is just a silly comment.
Bilbo is in a bad mood because fed F**k-up the moonballer.;)

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-17-2009, 11:36 PM
As regards whether Djokovic is any threat to Nadal: if Nadal plays to his full potential, Djokovic is no threat to him whatsoever in a 5 set RG match. Threat level = Zero. He has a 0-9 clay record against Nadal for goodness' sake. Almost a "clay turkey," and he will become one if they meet in the RG semi.

Beforehand
05-17-2009, 11:38 PM
Novak has been on Roger's side in 3 straight majors, so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Rafa's side, would it?

luie
05-17-2009, 11:39 PM
Novak has been on Roger's side in 3 straight majors, so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Rafa's side, would it?
Ssssssshhhhhhh to much logic & common sense in one post.

marcRD
05-17-2009, 11:39 PM
Federer-Djokovic in best of 5 on clay?

I would say 50-50.

marcRD
05-17-2009, 11:41 PM
Novak has been on Roger's side in 3 straight majors, so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Rafa's side, would it?

What is fair or unfair is not important, what is important is that this RG doesnt become a walk in the park for Nadal and therefor I am only hoping for a difficult draw for Nadal to make things interesting.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-17-2009, 11:47 PM
As regards whether Djokovic is any threat to Nadal: if Nadal plays to his full potential, Djokovic is no threat to him whatsoever in a 5 set RG match. Threat level = Zero. He has a 0-9 clay record against Nadal for goodness' sake. Almost a "clay turkey," and he will become one if they meet in the RG semi.

Can I just highlight the most important bit of my post. If Nadal plays like he did last year at RG, he will go straight through both Djokovic and Federer like a knife through butter. However, he has looked a bit subpar this clay season (the fact he has still only lost one match shows how far ahead of the field he is on clay).

Beforehand
05-17-2009, 11:54 PM
Can I just highlight the most important bit of my post. If Nadal plays like he did last year at RG, he will go straight through both Djokovic and Federer like a knife through butter. However, he has looked a bit subpar this clay season (the fact he has still only lost one match shows how far ahead of the field he is on clay).

Nobody's debating that, at least within reason. I would suggest that it's SLIGHTLY more open than that, as Djokovic and Federer both have SOME chance, providing Rafa doesn't take it to God mode, but everybody knows it's Rafael's tournament to lose, especially if he's playing really well.

CyBorg
05-17-2009, 11:56 PM
Frankly I don't think anyone is much of a problem for Nadal at RG.

Watching Madrid I can't believe how quick the clay is and how moderate the bounce is. It's not going to be like this at the French.

Especially watching the way Roger just flicks the backhands back at Nadal. With the ball around his ears he'll be leaving a lot of short balls for Rafa to hammer.

Djokovic is stronger backhand-side - I think he'll be a tougher matchup for Nadal.

Which basically means Nadal in 4.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 11:59 PM
Look, Nadal is like 42-0 in best of 5 on clay? Sooner or later it has to end, he will not go undefeated for his career. If anyone can do it it's Djokovic.

rofe
05-18-2009, 12:04 AM
Federer-Djokovic in best of 5 on clay?

I would say 50-50.

You are smoking some good shit. What the basis of that observation? Because Fed was beaten in Rome - a match where he was up a set and a break? Anyway, how does that result translate to a potential match at RG? Fed has been to three finals where he has taken Nadal to four sets twice. Djokovic has been to two SFs where he has been beaten soundly by Nadal.

I know who I want on Fed's side of the draw and it is not Murray. Murray has more potential to cause headaches for Fed than Djokovic because Murray is more of a grinder than Novak. This is precisely why I see Murray causing more problems for Nadal from an endurance perspective if endurance is to be used as an excuse for Nadal's supposedly poor form in the RG final.

federernadalfan
05-18-2009, 12:09 AM
simple answer: no

Jaz
05-18-2009, 12:15 AM
What's with the Djoker bandwagon?

Sure he pushed Nadal, but the fact is he still hasn't really beaten him on this surface, whereas Federer has.

5-Sets are long games, and Djoker failed to win a 3-setter on a fast surface than the FO. His record against Federer is also terrible on clay. The point of 5-setters is that the better player wins, and Nadal is the better player on this surface no matter how much you hype a player. There is no credible evidence to suggest djoker can beat nadal in a 3-setter, never mind a 5-setter. Period.

Radalek
05-18-2009, 12:20 AM
Novak has been on Roger's side in 3 straight majors, so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Rafa's side, would it?

Ehm, Novak ended up in Rafa's side on last 2 RG so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Roger's side, would it?

zlaja777
05-18-2009, 12:21 AM
Yes, he will defeat him 3-0 at RG SF.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-18-2009, 12:22 AM
What's with the Djoker bandwagon?

Sure he pushed Nadal, but the fact is he still hasn't really beaten him on this surface, whereas Federer has.

5-Sets are long games, and Djoker failed to win a 3-setter on a fast surface than the FO. His record against Federer is also terrible on clay. The point of 5-setters is that the better player wins, and Nadal is the better player on this surface no matter how much you hype a player. There is no credible evidence to suggest djoker can beat nadal in a 3-setter, never mind a 5-setter. Period.

Djoker could beat Nadal at Hamburg or, clearly, Madrid. But the RG clay is a whole different kettle of fish. Rafa has not lost a single match on this clay in his whole career. The possibility of Djokovic (career clay record vs Nadal: 0-9) being the man to stop him is incredibly small.

Jaz
05-18-2009, 12:22 AM
Ehm, Novak ended up in Rafa's side on last 2 RG so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Roger's side, would it?

Does it matter? If he's gonna beat Nadal he can do it in the semi's.... Eitherway, to win FO, that's ultimately what he has to do.....

Steelq
05-18-2009, 12:23 AM
What's with the Djoker bandwagon?

Sure he pushed Nadal, but the fact is he still hasn't really beaten him on this surface, whereas Federer has.

5-Sets are long games, and Djoker failed to win a 3-setter on a fast surface than the FO. His record against Federer is also terrible on clay. The point of 5-setters is that the better player wins, and Nadal is the better player on this surface no matter how much you hype a player. There is no credible evidence to suggest djoker can beat nadal in a 3-setter, never mind a 5-setter. Period.
3 match points are not credible evidence?Lawl,gotta love your logic.

Jaz
05-18-2009, 12:24 AM
3 match points are not credible evidence?Lawl,gotta love your logic.

Chocking... Wouldn't be a first for the Joker.... So he has physical and mental issues... fantastic!

Steelq
05-18-2009, 12:36 AM
Chocking... Wouldn't be a first for the Joker.... So he has physical and mental issues... fantastic!

That TB was a coin toss,it could have gone either way.

Beforehand
05-18-2009, 12:57 AM
Ehm, Novak ended up in Rafa's side on last 2 RG so it wouldn't be THAT unfair for him to end up on Roger's side, would it?

Defensive much?

I never stated anything to the contrary - owing to the fact that it's entirely random, I reckon that neither is unfair - but it's only NOvak and Rafa fans using the last 2 French Opens as an example, as though he hasnt been on the opposite side the last three majors - if the complaining were coming from Roger fans, I'd likely make your same argument.

w78dexon_y
05-18-2009, 01:09 AM
Rafa no need to worry about Djoker at all. He'll be beat the very next time they clash.

Djoker already proved that he can play better tennis than Nadal on clay. So, now all he needs is to eliminate choking! And that's what he already did to Rog. After his infamous choke in 2007 USO final, Djoker destroyed the same Rog at the 2008 AO s/f in straight sets!! That was a merciless demolishion!

Rafa already won FO 4 times! Who cares about this one. It is only Djoker who has to prove something on clay yet, titlewise. Rog won 13 GS already!

Djoker's only adverse in FO is his seed?! In order to win the title, he has to beat Rafa and Rog probably in consecutive matches!?

MIMIC
05-18-2009, 01:17 AM
All I can say is that FO is gonna be hella interesting. Can Djokovic continue his improvement against Nadal on clay? Will Federer's recently victory give him the sorely needed confidence he needs to win his first FO?

Can't wait :D

bobbynorwich
05-18-2009, 01:32 AM
Very hard to see Djokovic going at Nadal's pace for more than 3 sets. Impossible if it's a warm day, the guy melts into a puddle faster than ice on a hot tin roof.

Arkulari
05-18-2009, 01:36 AM
Let's see:

1. who has taken Rafa to 5 sets in a final on clay? Roger in Rome 2006
2. who has taken Rafa to 4 sets in RG? Roger 2006-2007
3. who has beaten Rafa on clay finals? Roger, twice, Hamburg 2007-Madrid 2009

Djoker is getting much better on his clay game, but he still has a long long way to go if he wants to defeat Rafa at RG (Roger MIGHT have a better shot, but he won't defeat Rafa in Paris, he simply won't)

Rafa has the shot of winning about 9 straight RG if the clay field continues as weak as it is and if nothing out of extraordinary happens :shrug:

another point against Djoker: heat resistance, the guy tends to melt under heat and pressure on slams :shrug:

marcRD
05-18-2009, 02:47 AM
You are smoking some good shit. What the basis of that observation? Because Fed was beaten in Rome - a match where he was up a set and a break? Anyway, how does that result translate to a potential match at RG? Fed has been to three finals where he has taken Nadal to four sets twice. Djokovic has been to two SFs where he has been beaten soundly by Nadal.

I know who I want on Fed's side of the draw and it is not Murray. Murray has more potential to cause headaches for Fed than Djokovic because Murray is more of a grinder than Novak. This is precisely why I see Murray causing more problems for Nadal from an endurance perspective if endurance is to be used as an excuse for Nadal's supposedly poor form in the RG final.

I thought you were about to go on about how Djokovic would **** Federer in SF, but it was the other way around. I say they are 50-50 because they are quite even in all matches I have seen between them on clay and because Djokovic had an amazing clay season and will come in with alot of confidence, also Federer is more unpredictable than Djokovic these days and might have a bad serve and backhand day, even the forehand may be off and then he is going out either way against Djokovic.

Overall 50-50 is just about the right odds, I dont see neither as a bad matchup to each other and both are out to claim the title as the 2nd greatest clay court player in the world.

freeandlonely
05-18-2009, 04:20 AM
Novak's fitness is the main problem for him right now.


I do think his fitness has improved. At least to some extent.
If he can stay with Nadal, the key is still compressive resistance at the very key points, the part which at this moment Nadal is by far the best on this planet.
In other words, overall I don't think Nole can beat Nadal on Clay by quick style like Roger did, and even Roger did that only two times, and Nadal still won RG2007 rather easily.
Nole can do what you said at Cincy, but not at Paris, let along it's best of 5. If once Nole ever beat Nadal at RG, it will be a five hour or so match. Which, a bit contradiction from me, back to fitness, very hard for Nole.
Jump to conclusions, it's mission impossible to beat Nadal at Paris. Maybe we can only wait and see who pass the mission in which style in which year.

Suddenly I don't know what's my focal point...because Nadal is just too strong.

All right...I go back to get a drink and pray for death...

bobbynorwich
05-18-2009, 04:54 AM
I do think his fitness has improved. At least to some extent.


Djokovic's fitness probably will improve with his new trainer, but that may only marginally improve his ability to tolerate high heat.

Some people's bodies by genetics don't handle heat well --- either difficulty self-cooling or tendency to heat stroke. Djokovic's asthma becomes much more apparent in high heat and it's unlikely that any amount of conditioning will change it to a meaningful extent.

At least he seems to realize the folly of training in the cool mountain air of Serbia during the off-season. After all, Federer goes to the desert of Dubai, Murray retreats to perpetually hot and humid South Florida, and Nadal stays home in Mediterranean Manacor. So, if he's smart, Novak will head to the most humid country on the equator for his off-season training. That's probably his best shot to overcome any genetic aversion to high heat stress.

Mimi
05-18-2009, 04:58 AM
Nole and roger are the biggest threats to Nadal :cool:

w78dexon_y
05-18-2009, 05:00 AM
So, if he's smart, Novak will head to the most humid country on the equator for his off-season training. That's probably his best shot to overcome any genetic aversion to high heat stress.

this makes sense to me.

Halba
05-18-2009, 07:21 AM
if roger gets murray in his half book the final tickets in, as murray isn't even making the SF

if roger gets djokovic in SF its prolly 60/40 in roger's favour due to experience at grand slam level.

the only other big barriers to fed express getting to final are the other good claycourters: verdasco(in very good form) and guys like monaco, ferrer(plays well in paris), wawrinka. He wants to avoid those three guys in particular. particularly verdasco and wawrinka. if he gets guys like blake, roddick,fish and other 'brain bashers' like soderling, oldies like haas, and has been claycourter like almugro , its a mug draw. i bet rafa will get a mug draw at rg, his only real match will be sf and final.

Venle
05-18-2009, 07:29 AM
Roger and Novak are the biggest threats to Nadal, that's for sure.

Novak has played a lot lately. He might be tired.
Rog got a lot of confidence from yesterday's win.

French Open might be more interesting than I've thought. :)

Jōris
05-18-2009, 07:33 AM
Djokovic and Federer are a threat to Nadal at RG in the same way Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States.