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Who wins Madrid Fedal final?

LocoPorElTenis
05-16-2009, 09:32 PM
vote and discuss.

LocoPorElTenis
05-16-2009, 09:33 PM
Nadal in 3 IMO.

ImmzB
05-16-2009, 09:33 PM
Rafael Nadal Inshallah!!

Pfloyd
05-16-2009, 09:33 PM
Federer should.

First potential MS victory in over a year, unreal.

FedFan_2007
05-16-2009, 09:33 PM
I just have a feeling that Federer is going to win this one.

LocoPorElTenis
05-16-2009, 09:35 PM
lol @ Federer leading the poll

hasanahmad
05-16-2009, 09:35 PM
Rafael Nadal Inshallah!!


KAFIR!

habibko
05-16-2009, 09:36 PM
Nadal in straights.

EDIT: this poll is public, the way it should be.

Bilbo
05-16-2009, 09:37 PM
R. Nadal in 2

scarecrows
05-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Nadal 7-5 6-1

Federer probably leading with a break in the first set

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Expect the unexpected.

Roddickominator
05-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Fed will tank. Rafa in 2

rofe
05-16-2009, 09:38 PM
No need for a thread. Nadal will win this easily. I am just hoping that Nadal takes pity on Fed and doesn't serve him a bagel or breadstick.

MIMIC
05-16-2009, 09:39 PM
Nadal 6-1, 7-5

Arkulari
05-16-2009, 09:41 PM
Rafa will win, it's up to Roger whether it goes to two or three ;)

dylan24
05-16-2009, 09:41 PM
if roger loses tomorrow he needs to retire

Corey Feldman
05-16-2009, 09:42 PM
Nadal struggles to a 4 hour semi final win before a final v Fed thus giving hope for the upset, seen how this movie ends before

PiggyGotRoasted
05-16-2009, 09:43 PM
Federer in two.

6 - 4 6 - 4 if I play bad, yes?

federernadalfan
05-16-2009, 09:44 PM
rafa should take this in two as usual. continuous pounding to fed's bh

rofe
05-16-2009, 09:45 PM
Nadal struggles to a 4 hour semi final win before a final v Fed thus giving hope for the upset, seen how this movie ends before

Exactly. If anything Nadal is going to be even more motivated.

Johnny Groove
05-16-2009, 09:46 PM
Now or never for Roger.

Tabledott
05-16-2009, 09:47 PM
6:3 6:2 for Rafa if he plays a bad match, no ?

Jaz
05-16-2009, 09:51 PM
given rogers record on this surface surely nadal in 2.

Arkulari
05-16-2009, 09:53 PM
Rafa in two or three, the length of the match will be determined by whether Roger gives a fuck or not :o

Mechlan
05-16-2009, 09:53 PM
Nadal in 2.

dylan24
05-16-2009, 09:53 PM
swiss miss to be up a break in both sets
and lose in straight sets

Björki
05-16-2009, 09:54 PM
Rafa 6-4 6-0

born_on_clay
05-16-2009, 09:57 PM
If Rafa will be so tired he woon't be ale to run the Spaniard will prevail in 3 sets
If Rafa will play an awful match he will win in 2 easy

If Rafa will play his best tennis...God knows how many games will be Roger able to win

TheBoiledEgg
05-16-2009, 09:57 PM
Federer 60 61
just like Misha did to him after that epic 4 hr match last yr in Chennai.

Kip
05-16-2009, 10:00 PM
Surely Roger will dig deep and find a way. To lose like he has been with their being no need to is disheartening. If the usual stubborn Roger "I won't change up my game for anyone" Federer shows up he'll get walloped as usual.

Time to get your pristine clothing and attitude down and dirty. :cool:

LocoPorElTenis
05-16-2009, 10:00 PM
Federer 60 61
just like Misha did to him after that epic 4 hr match last yr in Chennai.

Keep dreaming...

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
05-16-2009, 10:01 PM
Roger 'me-gusta-las-tapas' Federer in 2... 6/4 7/5 or 7/5 6/4 :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/federer_madrid_2009.jpg






:cool:

star_of_dusk
05-16-2009, 10:02 PM
Rafa will win if he takes more steroids, Roger will win if the game is played fair.

nsidhan
05-16-2009, 10:10 PM
Nadal in 3, with Roger winning the first set and up a break in the 2nd.

Whatever the result, please win RG Rog.

KarlyM
05-16-2009, 10:15 PM
My prediction is Rafa in 3. I think Rafa will be more motivated for the final after tough fought win over Nole. I think Nole was a harder SF opponent in this tournament than Del Potro (or even Murray). But I will give Fed credit - he's been playing well this week, but I like Rafa's chances more. Fed will at least take a set off of Rafa.

But personally, I don't care who wins - I really do like them both. :)

zlaja777
05-16-2009, 10:19 PM
I dont want to be the bad guy...but if Roger loses tomorow he needs to retire.

NadalSharapova
05-16-2009, 10:20 PM
nadal will obviously win. i can't believe the odds are as high as 1.4 for rafa, mug punters overeaction for the 4hr match today. this will be a huge bet for me.

superslam77
05-16-2009, 10:21 PM
I dont want to be the bad guy...but if Roger loses tomorow he needs to retire.

just like novak,murray and the rest of the tour needs to retire.. minus nalby, oh wait he is eating mcDonalds no time to play him..

shotgun
05-16-2009, 10:21 PM
Federer 60 61
just like Misha did to him after that epic 4 hr match last yr in Chennai.

:lol:

Two differences:

1- this is clay, not hardcourt.
2- Federer is not Youzhny. His game matches up well to Nadal's and he has a mental block against the Spaniard.

Sapeod
05-16-2009, 10:21 PM
nadal will obviously win. i can't believe the odds are as high as 1.4 for rafa, mug punters overeaction for the 4hr match today. this will be a huge bet for me.

For me too :devil: Big money coming my way :D

castle007
05-16-2009, 10:23 PM
Federer needs to win this!! It will be a great confidence booster
I hope it won't end up like last year's monte carlo final or the AO final

Jōris
05-16-2009, 10:26 PM
Don't care.

LEGENDOFTENNIS
05-16-2009, 10:26 PM
Federer needs to be at his best to beat RAFA

Commander Data
05-16-2009, 10:26 PM
People seem very pessimistic here.


I predict a Fed win in 3 sets ala Hamburg. If he can't win this I don't wanna hear anymore "I can still rattle Nadal"-comments :o. This is really a golden opportunity to beat nadal. Nadal was not very sharp the whole week and his 4 hours battle vs. Nole must have some kind of effect on him. If Feddie can't convert tomorrow, I'm pissed badly.

desigundah
05-16-2009, 10:29 PM
Federer very fresh tomorrow no? Nadal no have enough stamina no?

NadalSharapova
05-16-2009, 10:31 PM
Federer needs to be at his best to beat RAFA

...and rafa needs to be at his worst

superslam77
05-16-2009, 10:33 PM
nadull will win but the good news is he is getting extended more and more which will hopefully make him burn out faster. btw who should retire are the atp doctors because :tape: .

Certinfy
05-16-2009, 10:34 PM
Both my heart & mind are telling me Federer.

Mateya
05-16-2009, 10:36 PM
It's now or never for Rogi. :o

If Nadal plays a mediocre match, he will win in straights, with Federror converting 0/10 break points and possibly throwing a racquet on the ground in the proces. :angel:

Commander Data
05-16-2009, 10:36 PM
Both my heart & mind are telling me Federer.

:yeah: mine too ;)

bobbynorwich
05-16-2009, 10:40 PM
It doesn't matter who wins as long as they produce another epic final to add to their historic rivalry. Santana is celebrating tonight.



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sphiie
05-16-2009, 10:40 PM
Guys, don't be so confident for the eventually Rafael's victory... I hope he will win too but don't forget that he was on the court during 4 hours and he should be very tired at this moment...

But from what I saw at the Australian Open final, we never know what can happen! But I would pick Rafael in 3 !! I want him to win so badllyyyyy !! Vamos Rafa !

feeder1803
05-16-2009, 10:43 PM
Federer has a good opportunity tomorrow. Nadal doesn't like Madrid's conditions, he will be very tired from today's match and I don't think he will risk to much because he could get injured and miss RG.

So Roger has the perfect conditions to beat Rafa. If he doesn't win tomorrow he will never win Rafa on clay again.

connectolove
05-16-2009, 10:47 PM
Nadal vs Federer again ... well, Nadal of course!!!!

Sunset of Age
05-16-2009, 10:50 PM
Raf in straights.

I can well see Roger getting a 5-1 lead in both sets, but we all know how it will end up eventually. :angel:

Not that I care, too happy to see Roger reaching a Master's final AT ALL. :bounce:

sphiie
05-16-2009, 10:52 PM
Federer has a good opportunity tomorrow. Nadal doesn't like Madrid's conditions, he will be very tired from today's match and I don't think he will risk to much because he could get injured and miss RG.

So Roger has the perfect conditions to beat Rafa. If he doesn't win tomorrow he will never win Rafa on clay again.

Exactly what I'm thinking.

Voo de Mar
05-16-2009, 10:55 PM
Nadal in easy three sets.

scarecrows
05-16-2009, 10:55 PM
odds on Rafito dropped tp 1.35 being 1.4 half an hour ago

smart men are investing well their money

LEGENDOFTENNIS
05-16-2009, 11:03 PM
Cant Wait

PiggyGotRoasted
05-16-2009, 11:05 PM
Federer wins 7 - 6 (6) 4 - 6 6 - 2

FlameOn
05-16-2009, 11:26 PM
Nadal in 2. Maybe 3. Fed will find a way to blow it like most of their other matches.

Chair Umpire
05-16-2009, 11:26 PM
Rafa is far from being playing at his best. Roger has a great chance in this final.

rubbERR
05-16-2009, 11:29 PM
If federer doesnt spray errors all over the place and serving well he will win, but dont expect that to happen :D

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 11:29 PM
Nadal in easy three sets.

Unless he wins 6-0 6-7 6-0, how can you have 3 "easy" sets?

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 11:32 PM
People seem to forget that last year in these clay Masters, Federer had 5-0 in one set in Hamburg, 4-0 in the 2nd set in Monte Carlo... its just in RG that he received a huge trashing, not in the Master Series....

I have a strange feeling that Fed will win.

ossie
05-16-2009, 11:32 PM
Federer wins 7 - 6 (6) 4 - 6 6 - 2:rolleyes:

NadalSharapova
05-16-2009, 11:33 PM
nadal will take his bitch out for a walk in the park tommorrow. Don't think it will take long. nadal in 2 sets.

Voo de Mar
05-16-2009, 11:34 PM
Unless he wins 6-0 6-7 6-0, how can you have 3 "easy" sets?

Saying "3 easy sets" I mean none set 7-5 or 7-6.

salut235
05-16-2009, 11:36 PM
Nadal is a fighter, he will die on court if that's what's going to take to win. I can't say the same for Federer, as soon as he will see that Nadal is fighting he will surrender mentally.

rofe
05-16-2009, 11:37 PM
^Nadal is always fresh. Case in point AO '09.

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 11:41 PM
Saying "3 easy sets" I mean none set 7-5 or 7-6.

But can you have an easy match if you concede a set? It takes 2 sets to win = thats an easy match, 3 sets is conceding one set and winning 2..

Clydey
05-16-2009, 11:41 PM
Going to go out on a limb and pick Federer. The surface is perfect for him to beat Nadal. Add to that the lack of a day's rest and this should really be Federer's. No excuse for him to lose this match.

SheepleBuster
05-16-2009, 11:42 PM
vote and discuss.

Is this a question? Really?

nanoman
05-16-2009, 11:42 PM
Nadal wins.
As always, the following holds: As soon as Fedmug has hit BH, he'd lose the control of the rally. You can't win against these odds.

Loremaster
05-16-2009, 11:43 PM
I think Federer's chance are near zero
I know Roger fans are thinking about being tired etc but Oz Open was even worse - it was hard court, Nadal played even longer match and whole tournament was more exhausting.

Maybe if it was Hamburg, Monte Carlo or Rome Rafa would lose etc, but it's fuckin' Madrid, he won't stop running, and we know that all he need to do is run and drill those forehands into Roger's backhand. And Remember 2005 TMS Madrid, he played with badly sore knees , only because it was in Madrid ,and came back from 2 sets down to win in 5.

Nadal was playing pretty badly today ( his Winners/ UE ratio was Federer alike) and still won on mental strenght alone he has enough left in the tank for Roger.

Corswandt
05-16-2009, 11:49 PM
I think Federer's chance are near zero
I know Roger fans are thinking about being tired etc but Oz Open was even worse - it was hard court, Nadal played even longer match and whole tournament was more exhausting.

Maybe if it was Hamburg, Monte Carlo or Rome Rafa would lose etc, but it's fuckin' Madrid, he won't stop running, and we know that all he need to do is run and drill those forehands into Roger's backhand. And Remember 2005 TMS Madrid, he played with badly sore knees , only because it was in Madrid ,and came back from 2 sets down to win in 5.

Nadal was playing pretty badly today ( his Winners/ UE ratio was Federer alike) and still won on mental strenght alone he has enough left in the tank for Roger.

Very true.

Nadal, something like 7-5, 6-3.

Voo de Mar
05-16-2009, 11:51 PM
It takes 2 sets to win = thats an easy match

You can win for instance 7-6(8) 7-6(14) (Pioline def. El Aynaoui after that scoreline in Lyon '93), and you can win 6-0 0-6 6-0 (albeit I don't know a match with this scoreline); for me 2nd win is much more easy than the first one. The system of couning points and games in tennis is interesting and sometimes 2-set win can be much more tougher and longer, the same story with the best of 5 matches. I'd say also "easy 5-setter" about a match with scoreline 6-2 4-6 6-1 1-6 6-2.

Myrre
05-16-2009, 11:52 PM
Nadal had only 2 (!) break points during the 4 hour match against Djokovic. I don't see him breaking Federer's serve very often. This should be a win for Fed if he keeps his nerves under control. The first set will be very important.

chowdahead25
05-16-2009, 11:57 PM
Fed in 3.
Hes back, and Rafa is tired.

MadHatter
05-16-2009, 11:57 PM
Rafa in 2

philosophicalarf
05-16-2009, 11:58 PM
For all Federer gains in increased airspeed here, he loses from the higher topspin bounce to his backhand. He can't handle that tactic even on low bouncing courts, but here when its hit with any bite its way above the head.

Besides, even if he had the form to perfectly thump it on the rise, the bounces are too unreliable on these courts.

Ackms421
05-17-2009, 12:08 AM
You people are forgetting history. All of you who think Federer will win this (for whatever reasons) should invade Russia during the winter. Your chances of winning/being right are equal in both cases (as history has taught us).

It has been appropriately pointed out that while Nadal certainly had a tough match today, his match against Verdasco in Australia was MUCH tougher/longer. And, as has also already been point out, that was on hard courts. He still beat Federer after that.

Federer has no chance tomorrow. :shrug:

Roddickominator
05-17-2009, 12:31 AM
I hope they're forced to play on the blue court....and after Nadal wins he takes a whizz and spells his name in the blue clay, just because he hates it so much.

cocrcici
05-17-2009, 12:36 AM
Fed in 3.
Hes back, and Rafa is tired.

Rafa is tired?:lol:

Swiss Mountain
05-17-2009, 01:03 AM
People seem to forget that last year in these clay Masters, Federer had 5-0 in one set in Hamburg, 4-0 in the 2nd set in Monte Carlo... its just in RG that he received a huge trashing, not in the Master Series....

I have a strange feeling that Fed will win.


Me too, he so deserve it.

the graduate
05-17-2009, 01:28 AM
Roger will be nervous as usual but as always Rafa will make the baby cry

Chiseller
05-17-2009, 01:33 AM
Nadal had only 2 (!) break points during the 4 hour match against Djokovic. I don't see him breaking Federer's serve very often. This should be a win for Fed if he keeps his nerves under control. The first set will be very important.

You obviously haven't seen Fed's serve lately.
If the guy who stole it brings it back tomorrow, there might be chance for an upset.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 01:55 AM
I just have a feeling that Federer is going to take this. It's ordained.

Roddickominator
05-17-2009, 02:14 AM
I just have a feeling that Federer is going to take this. It's ordained.

It would certainly be better for tennis if Fed won....at least it'd build a LITTLE drama for the FO.

heya
05-17-2009, 02:33 AM
Steroid jokes are as tiresome as Federer (himself), and Nadal and Roddick fans who call Nadal and Roddick mediocre people with uglier shots.

Roddick used his wife relationship as he used his family to hide behind during tournaments.
They're calling and looking at scores but he claims that he's all independent in tennis. Predictably, he smiled and gave his heartless effort with ball-bashing.
Then, he gave up and injured his finger. He loved to say "just hit hard" and nothing can be changed against Federer.

TeamID
05-17-2009, 02:42 AM
It has been appropriately pointed out that while Nadal certainly had a tough match today, his match against Verdasco in Australia was MUCH tougher/longer. And, as has also already been point out, that was on hard courts. He still beat Federer after that.

It seems that everyone's forgetting that Nadal had a day off after the match with Verdasco. There's no doubt that if anyone can do this, it's Nadal, but to come back less than 24 hours later and take on one of your toughest rivals is not easy.

If you want to use the Verdasco match as an example, why can't we use the Youzhny one where he lost 6-0 6-1 the day after a four hour three-setter? Even this year in Rotterdam where Murray pasted him 6-0 in the third because Nadal was so tired.

Federer has a huge opportunity to win this match

Athletics1982
05-17-2009, 02:50 AM
I think this time Federer has chances to win.
You can see odds, I just say about bet365 odds,
Nadal 1.33, Federer 3.40,
Nadal in 2 1.83, Nadal in 3 4.00, Federer in 2 5.50,
Federer in 3 6.00.
Odds is a little bit closer.

Don't forget that last year after Rafa fight for 4 hours with Moya in Chennai, Rafa lost Finals easily.

miura
05-17-2009, 02:51 AM
zVpYeFUx9cI

heya
05-17-2009, 03:00 AM
People seem to forget that last year in these clay Masters, Federer had 5-0 in one set in Hamburg, 4-0 in the 2nd set in Monte Carlo... its just in RG that he received a huge trashing, not in the Master Series....

I have a strange feeling that Fed will win.
Fry dat turkey...

Winners take all
05-17-2009, 03:12 AM
fedchoker in 1, coz nadal will retire after bagelling fed in the 1st set due to a stomachache caused by fedtards and haters' combined ridiculous hatred transmitted to madrid via the tv cameras.

marcRD
05-17-2009, 03:37 AM
The question should be if Federer can even play a close set with Nadal, Nadal wont be tired. If it would be hardcourt it would be another story but I know Nadal wont be tired here, I remember that Davydenko match in Rome, next day Nadal just crushed Gonzalez like a bug.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 03:39 AM
Nadal wasn't tired enough for Fed to beat him after the Verdasco marathon down under....

HNCS
05-17-2009, 03:46 AM
Rafa in 2.

i'm not getting any false hope. Roger has played Rafa when he was near injured, tired, mentally strained whatever and lost them all the same.

But I am sure glad that Roger is reaching a masters final AT LAST!!! That is in itself an improvement. WEEEEEEEE

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 03:50 AM
This is the biggest match of Nadal's life.

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 03:52 AM
Rafa will routine Fed I expect.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 03:54 AM
If Nadal routine's Fed it will be the biggest win of Nadal's life.

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 04:00 AM
If Nadal routine's Fed it will be the biggest win of Nadal's life.
Nadal routined Fed at FO 2008. It's happened before. :shrug:

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 04:03 AM
Nothing bigger than the most recent. BIGGEST MATCH EVER.

meihaditalab
05-17-2009, 04:07 AM
HAHAHAHA, I was actually kind of hoping Nadal would double bagel Fed.... :) :haha:



No need for a thread. Nadal will win this easily. I am just hoping that Nadal takes pity on Fed and doesn't serve him a bagel or breadstick.

heya
05-17-2009, 04:10 AM
According to some Roddick fans, Federer routined Roddick the last 5 times, and Federer only brings Nadal's 100% effort. :haha: No wonder Roddick shows up only to act tough and collect money.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 04:14 AM
BIG BIG MATCH....next....

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 04:19 AM
According to some Roddick fans, Federer routined Roddick the last 5 times, and Federer only brings Nadal's 100% effort. :haha: No wonder Roddick shows up only to act tough and collect money.
Eh? Fed needed let-cords to beat Andy in Miami.

Mimi
05-17-2009, 04:24 AM
foolish rafa, he played badly and is injuried, he should not fought so hard against novak, now he is going to eat a bagel and a stick from the fresh roger:rolleyes:

MacTheKnife
05-17-2009, 04:24 AM
Can't see Fed pulling this off. Just not consistent enough. He could get the first set if he serves great, but have a hard time seeing him get the win.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 04:25 AM
foolish rafa, he played badly and is injuried, he should not fought so hard against novak, now he is going to eat a bagel and a stick from the fresh roger:rolleyes:

This is definitely the biggest match of both Federer and Nadal's career, the winner of this match will become GOAT.

luie
05-17-2009, 04:25 AM
Rafa will win if he takes more steroids, Roger will win if the game is played fair.
True.:devil:

w78dexon_y
05-17-2009, 04:27 AM
Rafa will mince Rog and wrap him in two cabbage rolls. Rog will take 4 games from two sets. Which way? any way: 6:2 6:2, or 6:0 6:4, or 6:1 6:3.

Rafa has to keep Rog on distance. If he loses tomorrow and in RG then his #1 might be at stake.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 04:27 AM
This match and the US Open Final are the 2 most important matches of 2009.

luie
05-17-2009, 04:30 AM
Rafa will mince Rog and wrap him in two cabbage rolls. Rog will take 4 games from two sets. Which way? any way: 6:2 6:2, or 6:0 6:4, or 6:1 6:3.

Rafa has to keep Rog on distance. If he loses tomorrow and in RG then his #1 might be at stake.
:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Chimayo
05-17-2009, 05:22 AM
This should be a fun match. These Madrid courts remind me of the inexpertly tended and totally unfunded municipal clay courts down the hill from me. They were built on top of old concrete courts after adding a thick layer of sediment and some dusty red ("Italian" :D) clay that was last replenished since 2003. I love those courts...although there's never a good bounce and you can either slide across the entire court or one meter and come up lame, depending on their mood.

For tomorrow, add in the altitude and the beating Nadal took yesterday, and the excellent form with which Federer dispatched Del Potro, and I think we might get a match here.

And there's one more thing to add to all of this: Nadal's motivation. Sure, he had no qualms about slicing up Novak's heart and serving it to the fans yesterday. He's been teasing Nole since Nole started talking up #2 last year in Hamburg. But Roger's different; the one he's chased and caught. Rafa said after this year's Oz Open that he felt empty after beating Roger there, and he insisted that Roger would beat him again (I'd link it but it's from a French magazine, L'Xpress, that I can't seem to find online).

Oh also. Still kind of new. How do you vote on polls?
I think it's going to happen here: R. Federer over R. Nadal, 6-3, 1-6, 6-4.

(Here's hoping Rafa doesn't kill himself trying to win this, he's already given enough to the Magic Tin Box people.)

Ackms421
05-17-2009, 05:38 AM
I love that the recent circumstances have turned what could have been a very unanticipated match into one of the most highly anticipated matches in recent memory. :rocker2:

10nisfan
05-17-2009, 05:40 AM
I think if FEDEX can Stay Focus and Not Become a Mental Midget and Capitalize on These 3 Factors:

1. Faster Clay Surface

2. Nadal "maybe" Tired from the Long Match with the Djoker

3. Flaring up of the Pain on Nadal's Right Knee

... then This is His Best Chance of Avenging His Recent Loses to Rafito...

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 05:44 AM
This is the most important match of Rafito career, I'm saying he needs to win this match to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam.

w78dexon_y
05-17-2009, 05:55 AM
I think if FEDEX can Stay Focus and Not Become a Mental Midget and Capitalize on These 3 Factors:

2. Nadal "maybe" Tired from the Long Match with the Djoker



tired of what? In the openning set most of the time he was standing and watching Djoker's rockete balls zippping from his left and right and above his head!
Last two sets he did some running, but that's not as much.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 06:01 AM
tired of what? In the openning set most of the time he was standing and watching Djoker's rockete balls zippping from his left and right and above his head!
Last two sets he did some running, but that's not as much.

Excuse me, I watched the last 2 sets and Rafa did a HELL of a lot of running back and forth. SO much so that he needed the trainer to come and work on his wounded knee. Rog should exploit this is he's smart, keep generating angles instead of hitting balls back up the middle.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 06:05 AM
Even if Federer makes Nadal run more the Djokovic did (not likely) I don't see how it will expose his knee problem, I mean whether Nadal runs in pain to a ball or runs without pain to a ball doesn't make a difference he still arrives at the ball and hits it. You'd have to have Nadal withdraw from the match for the knee to give Federer the victory.

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 06:26 AM
And there's one more thing to add to all of this: Nadal's motivation. Sure, he had no qualms about slicing up Novak's heart and serving it to the fans yesterday. He's been teasing Nole since Nole started talking up #2 last year in Hamburg. But Roger's different; the one he's chased and caught. Rafa said after this year's Oz Open that he felt empty after beating Roger there, and he insisted that Roger would beat him again (I'd link it but it's from a French magazine, L'Xpress, that I can't seem to find online).

Rafa is such a SWEETHEART! :hearts: I don't believe for a second that he enjoys beating Djokovic so much, and saying he thinks Fed will beat him again? :hearts:

Arrogant Roger basks in delight over owning so many players (especially a certain big-serving American), while Rafa is just the epitome of modesty and sportsmanship. :hearts:

Seriously, Rafa in 2 sets.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 06:33 AM
Rafa is such a SWEETHEART! :hearts: I don't believe for a second that he enjoys beating Djokovic so much, and saying he thinks Fed will beat him again? :hearts:

Arrogant Roger basks in delight over owning so many players (especially a certain big-serving American), while Rafa is just the epitome of modesty and sportsmanship. :hearts:

Seriously, Rafa in 2 sets.

I think Nadal likes beating Djokovic more than he likes beating Federer:o The impersonations Djokovic does makes it easy to want to beat him:o

green25814
05-17-2009, 07:10 AM
Rafael Nadal Inshallah!!

Agreed, though inshallah i hope fed will play well whatever happens.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 07:12 AM
Roger Federer, amen. God blesses him.

green25814
05-17-2009, 07:13 AM
This is the most important match of Rafito career, I'm saying he needs to win this match to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam.

Completely retarded post, shows you are entirely ignorant about tennis.

Anyone can beat anyone on any given match.

green25814
05-17-2009, 07:20 AM
No matter who wins in madrid, can the hate stop? I want Federer to win, but it doesnt affect me in any way if he doesnt, so theres no reason why i should hate nadal. The same goes to rafatards, you should be modest like the man you drool over, instead of crowing after every win like kids.

Let peace, love and honour reign throughout MTF, lets forget our prejudices concerning the different tennis styles, and lets stand up and show whoever wins from now on RESPECT.

This is obviously not concerning people who bet, they are free to release as much rage as they like, perfectly understandable. But the rest of you.. love.

HarryMan
05-17-2009, 07:21 AM
I think Federer is the clear favorite to win this match. In fact I predict a one sided final (something like 6-2 6-2) with finally winning a masters title again.

People giving the Verdasco match as an example, we need to remember that Nadal had a day to recover from that brutal encounter with Verdasco (and that match was just one hour more than this). Less than 24 hours to recover after such a brutal match will definitely have its effects on any human.

If I were a betting man, I would put all my money on Fed to win this one.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 07:22 AM
Completely retarded post, shows you are entirely ignorant about tennis.

Anyone can beat anyone on any given match.

^^ Speaking of retarded, what has your reply got to do with my post? I never even said Nadal would beat Federer. I said Nadal needs to win this match if he is to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam. Nadal can't afford to lose any momentum in his dominance over Federer or the whole year could be greatly effected by any glimpse of self-belief Federer attains.

green25814
05-17-2009, 07:25 AM
^^ Speaking of retarded, what has your reply got to do with my post? I never even said Nadal would beat Federer. I said Nadal needs to win this match if he is to win the Calendar Year Grand Slam. Nadal can't afford to lose any momentum in his dominance over Federer or the whole year could be greatly effected.

No, this match will not affect the grandslams that much at all. The reality of tennis isnt the same as the bandwagoning virtual world of mtf, where as soon as someone loses they suck and as soon as someone wins they are god. My post was reffering to the retarded way you place so much importance in one match in relation to the rest of a year. Tennis just doesnt work like that. Particularly with someone like nadal, who is just ferocious in terms of his mentality.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 07:27 AM
I think Federer is the clear favorite to win this match. In fact I predict a one sided final (something like 6-2 6-2) with finally winning a masters title again.

People giving the Verdasco match as an example, we need to remember that Nadal had a day to recover from that brutal encounter with Verdasco (and that match was just one hour more than this). Less than 24 hours to recover after such a brutal match will definitely have its effects on any human.

If I were a betting man, I would put all my money on Fed to win this one.

Same here, I think Federer is the odds on favorite to win, and it will be a major upset if Nadal wins, this is an epic encounter with epic implications.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 07:30 AM
No, this match will not affect the grandslams that much at all. The reality of tennis isnt the same as the bandwagoning virtual world of mtf, where as soon as someone loses they suck and as soon as someone wins they are god. My post was reffering to the retarded way you place so much importance in one match in relation to the rest of a year. Tennis just doesnt work like that. Particularly with someone like nadal, who is just ferocious in terms of his mentality.

Yes Nadal is flawless mentally, but that isn't the issue. The issue is Federer's mental state, it must be kept down. I take it you haven't heard of the Chaos Theory.

green25814
05-17-2009, 07:35 AM
Yes Nadal is flawless mentally, but that isn't the issue. The issue is Federer's mental state, it must be kept down. I take it you haven't heard of the Chaos Theory.

Yeah, but the match after this will be different anyway. Thats how tennis works. They both hold wins, they both know each other inside out, things wont change much.

If you honestly want my opinion, i think nadal has about 5% chance of completing the Calendar Grandslam, no matter what happens in this match. There are too many variables to take into account.

HarryMan
05-17-2009, 07:38 AM
Same here, I think Federer is the odds on favorite to win, and it will be a major upset if Nadal wins, this is an epic encounter with epic implications.

I can't believe Nadal is leading this poll though. I mean I am not saying it because I am a Federer fan but it is pretty obvious.

This win should give Federer a lot of confidence for the rest of the year (should it happen). :D

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 07:40 AM
Yeah, but the match after this will be different anyway. Thats how tennis works. They both hold wins, they both know each other inside out, things wont change much.

If you honestly want my opinion, i think nadal has about 5% chance of completing the Calendar Grandslam, no matter what happens in this match. There are too many variables to take into account.

Doesn't mattter what surface, doesn't matter which event, Nadal needs to continue his streak, can't afford to give Federer a look in, extend it to 6 straight wins. You don't realise how fragile Federer is, he's starting to believe he can't beat Nadal and Nadal has to keep it that way.

Yes so many variables, and one of them is Federer's confidence and thats what this match is all about. This kind of match will effect their next meeting in a slam, be it on clay, grass or US Open.

Richardgm
05-17-2009, 07:56 AM
Fed in 2

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 07:57 AM
Federer is the red hot ferocious favorite to win in 2.

It will be a great win for Nadal, best of the year.

*see what i did there^^

Horatio Caine
05-17-2009, 08:12 AM
Obviously should be Rafa given that he is peerless on clay, but this is Federer's best shot at beating him (especially on clay) for some time really, given the length of Nadal's SF, and factoring in a bit of altitude. Not going to be as easy for Fed to raise his game to the occasion, given how his natural level of play has dropped alarmingly over the last 12 months, but hopefully he will be able to weave some magic out there today.

Don't have a preference who I'd like to win tbh. Both are extraordinary athletes, and, while part of me would like Nadal to claim that historic Masters record (and keep his chances alive of a clean sweep through the entire clay court season), part of me would like Fed to get revenge today, and start to believe in himself a little more. A Nadal defeat would also make the French Open that little more interesting because at least the players would know that he could be beaten (although obviously FO plays slower than Madrid, and Nadal probably won't be as well extended in that SF etc).

Certinfy
05-17-2009, 08:16 AM
Well as long as Federer serves well, he has a great chance imo.

RagingLamb
05-17-2009, 08:18 AM
Nadal isn't playing well, and he's probably exhausted, so if anything, Fed has as good a chance as he's going to get.

I say Fed in 3.

TennisViewer531
05-17-2009, 08:21 AM
Nadal or Federer. :) I hope it will be as entertaining as the Djokovic-Nadal semifinal.

rwn
05-17-2009, 08:26 AM
Federer can earn 20 breakpoints and lose them all. His biggest problem is that he never learns and that´s why he will lose the same way as the previous matches.

L James
05-17-2009, 08:51 AM
Nadal in 2, of course

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 09:03 AM
Federer is the red hot dynamic overwelming mo fo sonofabitch favorite but I'll say Nadal in 2.

This is Sparta
05-17-2009, 09:04 AM
Tennis wins

miura
05-17-2009, 09:20 AM
Fed. 3.

Daniel
05-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Federer in 2 sets

marat_roger
05-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Roger in three I hope:tape:

johnny_dhk
05-17-2009, 09:52 AM
If Rafa < 25% then Federer in 3
If 25% < Rafa < 50% then Rafa in 3
If 50% < Rafa < 75% then Rafa in 2
If Rafa > 75% then Rafa 6-0 6-0

reggie1
05-17-2009, 10:23 AM
On a personal level, (don't shoot me people) I will find Clay court tennis a hell of a lot more interesting if Roger can beat Rafa today. I like Clay court tennis but there is something a bit boring about it when you know that the God of clay has entered the tournie and nobody else really stands a chance. I'd like to see Fed get that spark back if he can. I watched him against Roddick and whatever people say about him, the man is poetry in motion on a tennis court, sheer elegance. And I am not a Fedtard by any standards but credit where credit is due.

azza
05-17-2009, 10:26 AM
Federer 2-6 6-4 6-4

nashty
05-17-2009, 10:30 AM
Federer maybe. But I hope it'll be Nadal.

VoLGio
05-17-2009, 10:32 AM
I think that Nadal in 3, he's performing better than Roger, but the Swiss is doing a great tournament.

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 10:38 AM
It is hard to believe Federer is playing better than Djokovic and Nadal just played.

Vida
05-17-2009, 10:51 AM
if theres anything ridiculous on these boards, its the 'fedal' concept.

rafa in 3, and Im being generous.

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 11:02 AM
I can't believe so many people are saying Fed. Remember the Australian Open? Fed routined del Potro and Roddick while Rafa had to survive the longest match in the tournament's history. Rafa will be fine. :)

habibko
05-17-2009, 11:07 AM
I can't believe so many people are saying Fed. Remember the Australian Open? Fed routined del Potro and Roddick while Rafa had to survive the longest match in the tournament's history. Rafa will be fine. :)

well, if Fed kept it as competitive as the first 4 sets of the AO final, I will be satisfied, I'm not delusional, I know Nadal is playing the best tennis of his life and Fed is past his prime, there is almost 0% chance for another Hamburg 2007, so I'm not expecting a win from Roger.

I just hope for a great match, even that could be hard for Fed :sad:

Foxy
05-17-2009, 11:10 AM
I can't believe so many people are saying Fed. Remember the Australian Open? Fed routined del Potro and Roddick while Rafa had to survive the longest match in the tournament's history. Rafa will be fine. :)

Nope. Tiredness is not an issue but Raf is injured this time. It is similar I guess to the injury he got in Rotterdam. If he wants to attack RG and Wimby he should give less effort possible. If it is not enough today it is ok. No big deal. A loss would mean almost nothing.

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 11:13 AM
Nope. Tiredness is not an issue but Raf is injured this time. It is similar I guess to the injury he got in Rotterdam. If he wants to attack RG and Wimby he should give less effort possible. If it is not enough today it is ok. No big deal. A loss would mean almost nothing.

if nadal enters the court, he will give 100%, no such thing as him giving less effort.

The injury is not like rotterdam, cos he went on to beat djokovic who was playing the best tennis of his life. If he was properly injured, djokovic wud have won.

Primus
05-17-2009, 11:19 AM
I've got a strange feeling about this one. Don't know if Nadal is ready for another marathon. Neither is Federer on clay. I believe this will be quick two setter that can go each way.

Foxy
05-17-2009, 11:24 AM
I've got a strange feeling about this one. Don't know if Nadal is ready for another marathon. Neither is Federer on clay. I believe this will be quick two setter that can go each way.

Look, he won't need to play like another 4 hours. It is more like 2 and a half hour mark max if it goes the distance. rog's best of 3 setters with Raf are always quicker than that.

FlameOn
05-17-2009, 11:28 AM
Nope. Tiredness is not an issue but Raf is injured this time. It is similar I guess to the injury he got in Rotterdam. If he wants to attack RG and Wimby he should give less effort possible. If it is not enough today it is ok. No big deal. A loss would mean almost nothing.
Nadal suffered from leg cramps during his final against Fed at AO too. He described the cramping as 'scary', so it's not like he's never beaten Fed a little injured before.

Acer
05-17-2009, 11:30 AM
What's with all this talk about Nadal being tired, he played a 5-setter in the final of AO after having played another 5-setter in the SF. That won't be a factor, specially not on Nadal's best surface. I just hope Fed puts on a decent performance that justifies him reaching the final.

Foxy
05-17-2009, 11:31 AM
Nadal suffered from leg cramps during his final against Fed at AO too. He described the cramping as 'scary', so it's not like he's never beaten Fed a little injured before.

Yeah, I know. He played RG2006 injured and the RG2007 with a numb foot. But nevertheless the circumstances are against him again. He won't get away with it every time.

scarecrows
05-17-2009, 11:33 AM
he took treatment at 2-1 in the second set and kept playing for 3 more hours

yup, definitely injured

Andi-M
05-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Fed to lead 6/3 4/0 and lose 6/3 4/6 0/6.

Vamos Sparta

Byrd
05-17-2009, 11:34 AM
Same situation as always. Federer starts playing well, gets ahead, gets broken back, then doesn't convert and has 1/15 on BPs for the match.

FedFan
05-17-2009, 11:42 AM
he took treatment at 2-1 in the second set and kept playing for 3 more hours

yup, definitely injured


He is often "injured" if he is behind in a match. Remember Hambourg last year against Fed, when he was able to play for a long time without any handicap after the medical timeout.

Nothing bothers him, if he is leading. ;)

I don't buy in these stories. It is nothing more than gamesmanship.

McAlistar
05-17-2009, 11:43 AM
Something like 4-6 7-5 6-1 to Rafa..

Acer
05-17-2009, 11:47 AM
6-4 6-3

PiggyGotRoasted
05-17-2009, 12:28 PM
He is often "injured" if he is behind in a match. Remember Hambourg last year against Fed, when he was able to play for a long time without any handicap after the medical timeout.

Nothing bothers him, if he is leading. ;)

I don't buy in these stories. It is nothing more than gamesmanship.
^^ this guy speaks the truth.

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 12:33 PM
He is often "injured" if he is behind in a match. Remember Hambourg last year against Fed, when he was able to play for a long time without any handicap after the medical timeout.

Nothing bothers him, if he is leading. ;)

I don't buy in these stories. It is nothing more than gamesmanship.

if he wasn't injured, he'd just destoy everyone as we see pretty much all the time. Very occassionaly he will be injured, thats when the matches gets close.

Nadal's tennis ability is just light years ahead of the other players.

scarecrows
05-17-2009, 12:38 PM
poor Rafito was injured 11 times last year :sad:

jonathancrane
05-17-2009, 12:49 PM
Nope. Tiredness is not an issue but Raf is injured this time. It is similar I guess to the injury he got in Rotterdam. If he wants to attack RG and Wimby he should give less effort possible. If it is not enough today it is ok. No big deal. A loss would mean almost nothing.

Yeah, I know. He played RG2006 injured and the RG2007 with a numb foot. But nevertheless the circumstances are against him again. He won't get away with it every time.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

poor Rafito was injured 11 times last year :sad:

Exactly. How unlucky he is :sad:

Athletics1982
05-17-2009, 01:01 PM
bet odds has a very little change in bet365.
Rafa from 1.33 to 1.36
Federer from 3.45 to 3.25

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 01:27 PM
I'm just enjoying talking up Federer for a change, its fun agreeing with a Federator even if I don't agree with a lot of it :D its fun being an underdog for a change :D

MacTheKnife
05-17-2009, 01:50 PM
well, if Fed kept it as competitive as the first 4 sets of the AO final, I will be satisfied, I'm not delusional, I know Nadal is playing the best tennis of his life and Fed is past his prime, there is almost 0% chance for another Hamburg 2007, so I'm not expecting a win from Roger.

I just hope for a great match, even that could be hard for Fed :sad:

I agree with you and think Fed will have a tough time pulling this off. If he is to win, he must do three things:
1)- Serve extremely well and into Nadals body alot.
2)- Hit BH down the line consistently. He must keep Nadal off his FH side and NOT get into those Nadal FH to Feds BH rallies.
3)- Manufacture two good points in a row in critical situations. Djok could not do this, if he could, it would be Djok vs Fed today.

habibko
05-17-2009, 01:53 PM
I agree with you and think Fed will have a tough time pulling this off. If he is to win, he must do three things:
1)- Serve extremely well and into Nadals body alot.
2)- Hit BH down the line consistently. He must keep Nadal off his FH side and NOT get into those Nadal FH to Feds BH rallies.
3)- Manufacture two good points in a row in critical situations. Djok could not do this, if he could, it would be Djok vs Fed today.

well said, but the Federer of old failed to do that more often than not, so it's a really slim chance today..

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 02:10 PM
I wish Nadal could play Federer in every event of the season, its really good fun when they meet.

ossie
05-17-2009, 02:17 PM
hmm 58 believers till now

Merton
05-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Actually I look forward to this match and Federer has good chances on this court if he serves decently. Nadal has been ripe for the taking here.

It is only in Paris that Roger brings out the pink dress.

cocrcici
05-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Raphael (Standard Hebrew רָפָאֵל, Rāp̄āʾēl, "It is God who heals", "God Heals", "God,

Hola Mr. SK
05-17-2009, 02:31 PM
honestly,I don't see any chance for a Fed win here.
Fed's way through semis was just too easy. He has just successfully taking care of his pegions in previous rounds nothing impressive. It's a different story for him today.

superslam77
05-17-2009, 02:32 PM
Raphael (Standard Hebrew רָפָאֵל, Rāp̄āʾēl, "It is God who heals", "God Heals", "God,

maybe Dope who heals :confused:

sanshisan
05-17-2009, 02:33 PM
Who CARES who wins today? The real final was YESTERDAY. Federer is only there by virtue of his cupcake draw.

Hola Mr. SK
05-17-2009, 02:36 PM
Who CARES who wins today? The real final was YESTERDAY. Federer is only there by virtue of his cupcake draw.
word

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 02:38 PM
damn, my prediction was wrong, nadal odds dropping. now 1.36. Hopefully there will be another overeaction when mugs see nadal knees strapped up.

if nadal ever reaches 1.5, i am going all in

vamosinator
05-17-2009, 02:40 PM
It doesn't make a difference what his knee does, he's still going to get to the ball. The only way his knee would be an issue is if he actually couldn't take the court. If Federer wins it won't be because of Nadal's knee.

Hola Mr. SK
05-17-2009, 02:41 PM
damn, my prediction was wrong, nadal odds dropping. now 1.36. Hopefully there will be another overeaction when mugs see nadal knees strapped up.

if nadal ever reaches 1.5, i am going all in
you may get that in play

robiht
05-17-2009, 03:16 PM
1.Little injury for Nadal
2.4 hour epic match all time longest in Masters(Nadal phisically tired)
3.Nadal is a little tired mentally somehow
4.Federer = best form in 2 year.Very good serve in this week
5.Fastest clay court ever


If Federer can't beat Nadal here ,then he'll never ever do it on clay again.(Federer's "Nadal Complex")

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 03:19 PM
1.Little injury for Nadal
2.4 hour epic match all time longest in Masters(Nadal phisically tired)
3.Nadal is a little tired mentally somehow
4.Federer = best form in 2 year.Very good serve in this week
5.Fastest clay court ever


If Federer can't beat Nadal here ,then he'll never ever do it on clay again.(Federer's "Nadal Complex")

don't think federer can beat nadal in any surface. nadal is too good a player for federer

PiggyGotRoasted
05-17-2009, 04:51 PM
Federer in two.

6 - 4 6 - 4 if I play bad, yes?
Quoted for luck :worship:

superslam77
05-17-2009, 04:56 PM
damn, my prediction was wrong, nadal odds dropping. now 1.36. Hopefully there will be another overeaction when mugs see nadal knees strapped up.

if nadal ever reaches 1.5, i am going all in

:p how much you lost?

vincayou
05-17-2009, 05:04 PM
nadal will obviously win. i can't believe the odds are as high as 1.4 for rafa, mug punters overeaction for the 4hr match today. this will be a huge bet for me.

For me too :devil: Big money coming my way :D

[ ] Easy money

MacTheKnife
05-17-2009, 05:16 PM
Anybody that thinks a player "can't" lose in this sport is either very immature or just plain stupid.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Never in doubt! I predicted it yesterday. My wisdom is dominating.

HarryMan
05-17-2009, 05:20 PM
don't think federer can beat nadal in any surface. nadal is too good a player for federer

:awww:

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 05:22 PM
[ ] Easy money

you can have your easy money, i accept defeat today. i've had easy money the past 5 meetings, but not today.

well since 2005, i set myself a rule of betting big on nadal everytime there is a nadal/fed match. not much i can do, i just follow my rule.

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 05:23 PM
Nice to see all the trolls banned for a while. Will make MTF more tolerable.

Byrd
05-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Nice to see all the trolls banned for a while. Will make MTF more tolerable.

Why aren't you banned then? :o

Art&Soul
05-17-2009, 05:47 PM
don't think federer can beat nadal in any surface. nadal is too good a player for federer

But Piggy got roasted today :sad:

superslam77
05-17-2009, 05:48 PM
But Piggy got roasted today :sad:

how about a piggy roasting thread :devil:!!!

FedFan_2007
05-17-2009, 05:51 PM
I think the mods deleted all the roasting threads. It was fun when we had the "GOAT Cheese", "Pork Dork Library of Excuses" threads. So much fun.

NadalSharapova
05-17-2009, 05:53 PM
But Piggy got roasted today :sad:

Normally I would say Federer is too good a player for Wawrinka, but he got roasted by wawrinka.

Very occasionally, the the better player loses to an inferior player for whatever reasons, happened that day fed/wawr and it happened today.

superslam77
05-17-2009, 05:57 PM
I think the mods deleted all the roasting threads. It was fun when we had the "GOAT Cheese", "Pork Dork Library of Excuses" threads. So much fun.

:sad: mods deleted the essence of mtf, and true like my idols said. mtf became sodomy after toni corruption.

but jesus resurrected after 3 days to save the world from tards :D

Swiss Mountain
05-17-2009, 08:33 PM
Roger will be nervous as usual but as always Rafa will make the baby cry

What?:wavey:

Joao
05-18-2009, 12:53 AM
Anybody that thinks a player "can't" lose in this sport is either very immature or just plain stupid.

Plain stupid is about right ... this thread is a perfect example of it ... :o