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Happy Birthday Andy!!Del Potro hands Andy a 7-6 6-3 birthday present

Byrd
05-15-2009, 11:38 PM
Discuss..

finishingmove
05-15-2009, 11:38 PM
happy birthday

EnriqueIG8
05-15-2009, 11:38 PM
How's that for a Birthday present, Andy :haha:
Way too passive from the world #3.
JMDP deserved victory today.

stats

http://i43.tinypic.com/2nlg2ee.jpg

SheepleBuster
05-15-2009, 11:38 PM
Fed got lucky!

Smasher
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
:aparty:

oranges
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/glassy/default/muscle_boy.gif

groundstroke
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Stunning performance from Del Potro.

bobbynorwich
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
A loss and 22 unforced errors on his 22 Birthday. :sad:

Allegretto
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Ambitious of Murray to try and win this match whilst leaving his backhand in the locker room. Didn't pay off, sadly.

Roddickominator
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Very impressive from Del Pony. IMO one of the best forehands out there, in terms of power and consistency. Backhand was rock solid as well...and the serve was good enough. I don't think he missed a smash all match long....excellent net point ratio. Turned it up on the big points....i'm starting to like this kid. Lol at telling the umpire to water the court.

Ugly, defensive play from Murray. He just doesn't have it on clay. Del Pony was overpowering him consistently, and Murray's variety had no effect on the Argentine(other than a few slices to Pony's forehand). A lot of shouting, muttering, and whining from Andy as well.

Quite simply....Too Big from Del Potro.

Jōris
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Good match.

miura
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Oh deary me..

Lullaby
05-15-2009, 11:39 PM
Muzza lost the plot when his string broke in the 1st set lol
He played like a clay court clown tonight

Congrats to del potro though, he played well

Muzza will thrash him when they switch surfaces though

Sapeod
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
No shame in Andy losing this. 11 aces and 3 match points saved. Not a bad tourney either for him. He's still about 300 points ahead of Djokovic. Onto Rollnad Garros Muzza :D

Chiseller
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
his first victory over murray, congrats.

tennishero
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
W00T! Awesome result.
murray pushed all match, del potro kept hitting hard and it paid off :)

EnriqueIG8
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/2nlg2ee.jpg

Voo de Mar
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
The reason of Murray's defeat: lack of chemistry between MacLagan and Corretja :o ;)

Great outcome for Federer.

Motoflou
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
And somewhere in the distance...Federer smiles. :p

Clydey
05-15-2009, 11:40 PM
4 threads. :lol:

Murray lost. Suppose people best make the most of it on the rare occasion that it happens.

Del Potro was by far the better player. Went for more on his shots than Andy, yet he was still more consistent.

Andy needs to sort his head out. He started out aggressive, missed a few shots, then went into his shell. Really blew it in the first set from 5-2 up. Overall, a woeful display.

LocoPorElTenis
05-15-2009, 11:41 PM
in the first five TMS of the season, JMDP has made two SF and two QF... not bad

Rafattack
05-15-2009, 11:41 PM
Fed got lucky!
I know but at least Rafa will bring him back down with a bang!

Dini
05-15-2009, 11:42 PM
Del Potro! :eek: :bowdown:

Now lose to Fed :armed:

shotgun
05-15-2009, 11:42 PM
:woohoo: :woohoo:

Always a great day when ballbashing beats pushing. :worship:

'Ave that, Muzza.

biological
05-15-2009, 11:42 PM
Juan Martin :worship: :aparty:

groundstroke
05-15-2009, 11:43 PM
4 threads. :lol:

Murray lost. Suppose people best make the most of it on the rare occasion that it happens.

Del Potro was by far the better player. Went for more on his shots than Andy, yet he was still more consistent.

Andy needs to sort his head out. He started out aggressive, missed a few shots, then went into his shell. Really blew it in the first set from 5-2 up. Overall, a woeful display.

Seems like these occasions are becoming more and more common.

Arkulari
05-15-2009, 11:43 PM
first Rafa on Miami, now Muzza on Madrid, Del Po is slowly getting to be someone to watch over ;)

great great FH, very solid BH (Muzza's on the other hand was... :eek: ), not a big % of service but his performance was consistent and solid enough to get this with a minimal fuss :)

nanoman
05-15-2009, 11:43 PM
Well done, DelPotro.

Lol @ Murray. Fuck you with your passive shit !

Fed will sleep well tonight.

HeretiC
05-15-2009, 11:43 PM
Andy was playing just like he should in the first part of the first set, aggressive, taking initiatives, changing pace and placement, BH DTLs. After that he decided to finish the set safely and that was all what Del Potro waited. He became the aggressor dictating the points. From that point it was all up to JMDP to lose or win the match and he wasn't in a gifting mood like previous Murray's opponents.

zagro
05-15-2009, 11:43 PM
Well played delpo :bigclap:
He served well, dictated the points finishing them on the net, solid in crucial points. Murray was always showing his frustration throwing the racket and yelling, how disagreeable.

rocketassist
05-15-2009, 11:44 PM
Never seen Del Potro happier after a victory. :lol:

freeandlonely
05-15-2009, 11:44 PM
yes

Clydey
05-15-2009, 11:44 PM
Seems like these occasions are becoming more and more common.

5 losses for the season? He's really racking up the losses. :sad:

Farenhajt
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Murray was magnificent! Total control during the whole match, both backhand and forehand working like magic, serving with authority, and those passing shots... God, it reminded me of Federer's most inspired moments. Del Potro did put up a very decent fight, but he simply couldn't come nowhere near the world's best tennis player at the moment. The field will pray for death.

Oh, no... wait :awww:... this was Clydey Feldman's idiotic dream...

Steelq
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Too strong this number 3.

scoobs
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Totally unsurprised by this result. Indeed I predicted it.

Well done to Del Potro. He played pretty well.

Wolfy
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
And somewhere in the distance...Federer smiles. :p

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00576/21_Roger_Federer_sc_576294a.jpg

calm down :o

organisers having Andy to play on birthday night:o
good RG

Sapeod
05-15-2009, 11:45 PM
Well done, DelPotro.

Lol @ Murray. Fuck you with your passive shit !

Fed will sleep well tonight.

Murray playing shit and still it took Delpo 7-6 6-3 to beat him? Murray is a legend :worship:

Roddickominator
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Murray continues to have fantastic defensive lobs....Del Pony had to win MANY points more than once for it to show on the scoreboard.

Clydey
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Murray was magnificent! Total control during the whole match, both backhand and forehand working like magic, serving with authority, and those passing shots... God, it reminded me of Federer's most inspired moments. Del Potro did put up a very decent fight, but he simply couldn't come nowhere near the world's best tennis player at the moment. The field will pray for death.

Oh, no... wait :awww:... this was Clydey Feldman's idiotic dream...

What's his ranking, what's Andy's? :)

Byrd
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
This is what happens when you let someone like JMDP dictate you, only one likely outcome.

BIGMARAT
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Del Pony's backhand is very solid.
Murray has a lot to learn on clay court and He does'nt belong in the big 4 yet ( clay court wise).

Sapeod
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Seems like these occasions are becoming more and more common.

Yeah. I know. 5 loses in 5 months is disgusting :o

nkhera1
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
4 threads. :lol:

Murray lost. Suppose people best make the most of it on the rare occasion that it happens.

Del Potro was by far the better player. Went for more on his shots than Andy, yet he was still more consistent.

Andy needs to sort his head out. He started out aggressive, missed a few shots, then went into his shell. Really blew it in the first set from 5-2 up. Overall, a woeful display.

Don't flatter yourself. Its not that uncommon in the clay season. Besides just about every match with a somewhat high profile player will get 3-5 new threads in the beginning. :rolleyes:

«Ivan»
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
:worship: argy bargy,what a loser murray(20 winners and he lost!he have to come back to 5 winners per tournament.no 4 def. no.5

shotgun
05-15-2009, 11:46 PM
Rumour has it, Delpo dedicated the win to Judy Murray: "You and your mother, always the same." :lol:

finishingmove
05-15-2009, 11:47 PM
5 losses for the season? He's really racking up the losses. :sad:

lol

Garson007
05-15-2009, 11:47 PM
in the first five TMS of the season, JMDP has made two SF and two QF... not bad
The higher the rank the better the draw.

The same could obviously be said for Murray; even though Murray is a complete clay clown he'll always win a few rounds.

madmax
05-15-2009, 11:47 PM
seems like Fed is gonna get a chance to beat his Nemesis at last...Del Pony is incapable of beating him, only Djoker could spoil the revenge party, although it's highly unlikely

SheepleBuster
05-15-2009, 11:47 PM
I know but at least Rafa will bring him back down with a bang!

If Roddick can take a set off Fed on clay and Blake can beat him on a hardcourt, why not Del Potro? I am a believer. Yes he can!

Clydey
05-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Don't flatter yourself. Its not that uncommon in the clay season. Besides just about every match with a somewhat high profile player will get 3-5 new threads in the beginning. :rolleyes:

Don't flatter myself? I don't recall even mentioning myself.

Sapeod
05-15-2009, 11:48 PM
:worship: argy bargy,what a loser murray(20 winners and he lost!he have to come back to 5 winners per tournament.no 4 def. no.5

:lol: Yeah. He's definately should be the number 5 in the world even though he's beaten Delpo on 3 other occasions :lol:

SheepleBuster
05-15-2009, 11:48 PM
I like Murray in general but I have not been so happy after a match after the epic beat down Roger put on Andy Roddick in Australia (6-0). Maybe it's the name Andy that makes me this way.

Argenbrit
05-15-2009, 11:48 PM
Happy birthday, Andy. :wavey:

Andi-M
05-15-2009, 11:48 PM
Didnt see the match. Kinda glad about it in retrospect. Well done Del Potro.

We'll see how Andy does at RG, before we make too many judgements of his clay credentials but so far its been good, far better than last year.

Titi
05-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Great win for Del Potro.

Had no right to win the first set but showed great character to come back.

He's selecting his shots better nowadays and has the power to hurt anyone.

On of my favourites is Del Potro

Sunset of Age
05-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Fantastic attacking tennis by DelPo lead to a totally well-deserved victory :worship: :hatoff:

Muzza much too passive, looked as if he didn't even want to play. Okay, 11 aces, but for the rest of it... not the way to get the job done Muzza Wuzza. Now go and continue your birthday party. :hug:

:lol: at all those who expected Muzza to smash Roger tomorrow.
And :rolleyes: to those who think that Roger will have an easy match now tomorrow. If he faces THIS DelPo tomorrow as well, I wouldn't be all too sure of the outcome of that semifinal.

tennishero
05-15-2009, 11:49 PM
dont forget pony was down a break in the first set and broke back when murray was serving. great stuff.

pica_pica
05-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Happy birthday Murray! Put that out of your mind and just go partying, that'll do fine!

Delpo :hearts: That's sooooo impressive :yeah:!!!!! You're on my official favorite list now, congratulations! :)
I'll support you to expand Top4 into 5, no doubt!

Byrd
05-15-2009, 11:50 PM
Rumour has it, Delpo dedicated the win to Judy Murray: "You and your mother, always the same." :lol:

lol

sirwilliam
05-15-2009, 11:51 PM
I like Murray, but like I said after Rome and the early rounds in Madrid, he just ain't ready for primetime (or late-night as it may be hehe) on clay. Best he can hope for at RG is semifinals...

Horatio Caine
05-15-2009, 11:51 PM
Well, it was the result I was expecting (my only slight misgiving being potential fatigue for Pony from yesterday). However, I did take the liberty of watching a few games early in that first set, and I must admit I thought it would be Muzza's match at that stage. Sure, he was only getting virtually every ball back (not being aggressive or anything), but he had Pony covering all parts of the court, and made him work so hard for a number of those points...Muzza seemed to be impenetrable, and I was wondering if Pony might begin to tire earlier on in the match.

Anyway, dunno why Muzza insists on staying passive, especially when he does get rewarded for being aggressive. :rolleyes: I think he has improved on clay this season, but he still has some way to go before we can be more confident that he could reach the latter stages of RG. Sure, he might actually do this over the next 3 weeks, but, being realistic, you could see him getting involved in some extended battles in early rounds (sapping him of energy), and falling to your typical middle-weight dirtballer in R3 or R4. :shrug:

Garson007
05-15-2009, 11:51 PM
first Rafa on Miami, now Muzza on Madrid, Del Po is slowly getting to be someone to watch over ;)
Beating the player in the top 4 who are the worst on the respective surface isn't really that big a deal. :shrug:

LocoPorElTenis
05-15-2009, 11:52 PM
It should be mentioned that Del Potro was clutch. Saved 4 bps in the second set, 3 of them in one game, most of them with winners.

rubbERR
05-15-2009, 11:52 PM
pathetic how much believe you guys have potros chances...federer easy ride over del potro?every player plays one bad match in their career, federer played against nadal french open, nadal played against youzhny in chennai, and delpo played against federer in australian open.

malisha
05-15-2009, 11:52 PM
great result for tennis...Del Potro didnt let him get away with so much pushing
almost chocked but stayed calm and expected UE from Murrays backhand comed quickly

Titi
05-15-2009, 11:53 PM
Cant be understated how important for JMDP to have beaten Rafa in Miami and now Murray.

Roger will be favourite but JMDP will hopefully be competitive.

LocoPorElTenis
05-15-2009, 11:53 PM
Beating the player in the top 4 who are the worst on the respective surface isn't really that big a deal. :shrug:

It is when previously you have been owned by that player and the top 4 in general.

zagro
05-15-2009, 11:53 PM
Murray continues to have fantastic defensive lobs....
Yes. There was one really spectacular today, particularly considering that del Potro is 1.98cm tall

Clydey
05-15-2009, 11:55 PM
It is when previously you have been owned by that player and the top 4 in general.

Murray lost to Monaco on clay. This isn't a monster scalp. Rafa on hard is a much bigger scalp than Muzza on clay.

asmazif
05-15-2009, 11:55 PM
and broke back when murray was serving

hahahahahaha

finishingmove
05-15-2009, 11:57 PM
del potro makes the 'big 5'

big win if u ask me.

Mint Chip
05-15-2009, 11:57 PM
:haha: :haha:

sanshisan
05-15-2009, 11:58 PM
Will Djokovic go back to #3 now since he made more pts by reaching semis and Murray did not?

pica_pica
05-15-2009, 11:58 PM
It's great to see Great Britain back to doing what it does best: Losing. :rolls: :devil:

http://www.grahamlicence.co.uk/gjl_files/03cartoon/2008_07jul_03.jpg
Great stuff

LocoPorElTenis
05-15-2009, 11:58 PM
Murray lost to Monaco on clay. This isn't a monster scalp. Rafa on hard is a much bigger scalp than Muzza on clay.

It's all about context... with the history between these two, this is big for Del Potro's confidence. Just a few months ago many thought Del Potro was entirely incapable of beating a top 4 player, now you're saying it's not even a big surprise he beat Murray, just proves my point.

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 12:00 AM
Murray's backhand was missing today. He hasn't changed one bit - still the annoying Scottish brat he has always been, he was cursing and using words such as "fuck" too.

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:00 AM
It's all about context... with the history between these two, this is big for Del Potro's confidence. Just a few months ago many thought Del Potro was entirely incapable of beating a top 4 player, now you're saying it's not even a big surprise he beat Murray, just proves my point.

It's not. I said before the match that Muzza wasn't the favourite for this.

Sapeod
05-16-2009, 12:00 AM
It's all about context... with the history between these two, this is big for Del Potro's confidence. Just a few months ago many thought Del Potro was entirely incapable of beating a top 4 player, now you're saying it's not even a big surprise he beat Murray, just proves my point.

I agree with you. Big win for Delpo, but it wasn't very unexpected. It was about 50/50

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Will Djokovic go back to #3 now since he made more pts by reaching semis and Murray did not?

Nah. He needs to get to the final. Nole is defending the Hamburg semi from last year, whereas Murray was defending a R3, I think

Bilbo
05-16-2009, 12:02 AM
woeful from murray

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:02 AM
Murray's backhand was missing today. He hasn't changed one bit - still the annoying Scottish brat he has always been, he was cursing and using words such as "fuck" too.

You should really cover your ears when Murray's playing. Heaven forbid you hear big, bad words like "fuck". :sad:

Andi-M
05-16-2009, 12:03 AM
I like Murray, but like I said after Rome and the early rounds in Madrid, he just ain't ready for primetime (or late-night as it may be hehe) on clay. Best he can hope for at RG is semifinals...

semifinals at RGwould be AWESOME!!

I think Murray will have a really hard 3R/4R against a tough oppenant where he will either sink or swim. Without seeing draw hard to predict anything but I hope he does himself justice. Nothing woud suprise me from a 1st round exit to an appearance in the final.

q.j.
05-16-2009, 12:03 AM
http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/glassy/default/muscle_boy.gif

:worship:

born_on_clay
05-16-2009, 12:05 AM
And this is our world #3
Good Lord

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:06 AM
And this is our world #3
Good Lord

Our world number 1 lost to him on a hard court. Short memory?

Byrd
05-16-2009, 12:07 AM
And this is our world #3
Good Lord

We're not all glory hunters :rolleyes:

rocketassist
05-16-2009, 12:07 AM
And this is our world #3
Good Lord

Great logic given the greatest player of all time wasn't exactly a fan of the clay...

adee-gee
05-16-2009, 12:09 AM
Disappointing result, he should be beating Del Potro on absolutely any surface.

Not a great performance, but he's bound to have days like this on clay. Only positive to take from it was that he served fairly well.

Nevermind, I'll take a QF at RG happily and then look forward to a very successful grass and hard court season.

pica_pica
05-16-2009, 12:10 AM
I have a question....when will Hamburg points drop off? This week or next week?
If next week, would that mean Nole is #4 but 3rd seed at RG?

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 12:10 AM
Will Djokovic go back to #3 now since he made more pts by reaching semis and Murray did not?

Only if he beats Nadal.

q.j.
05-16-2009, 12:10 AM
No shame in Andy losing this. 11 aces and 3 match points saved. Not a bad tourney either for him. He's still about 300 points ahead of Djokovic. Onto Rollnad Garros Muzza :D

care to elaborate on this :confused:

xelena
05-16-2009, 12:11 AM
Hey but glorious Andy was supposed to defend his title , hm ???


where are now all of those Novak bashers ha? ;)))

Sunset of Age
05-16-2009, 12:12 AM
I have a question....when will Hamburg points drop off? This week or next week?
If next week, would that mean Nole is #4 but 3rd seed at RG?

I don't know, but I do know that as for the seedings, being #3 or #4 makes entirely NO difference at all. :)

Vida
05-16-2009, 12:13 AM
i underestimated the youngling... nicely done :yeah:

all in all it was a nice hardcourt match.

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:14 AM
I have a question....when will Hamburg points drop off? This week or next week?
If next week, would that mean Nole is #4 but 3rd seed at RG?

If he beats Nadal, he'll be seeded 3 for RG. If he doesn't, he'll be seeded 4. Not that it matters, but it's that simple.

sammy01
05-16-2009, 12:15 AM
love this result.

del pony took it on and beat andy who was pushing as usual.

as a del pony fan him beating nadal and murray make me feel justified in thinking he has big things in his future.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:16 AM
who said DelPo will lose??

:wavey:

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 12:16 AM
I have a question....when will Hamburg points drop off? This week or next week?
If next week, would that mean Nole is #4 but 3rd seed at RG?

18th of May - this week.

fast_clay
05-16-2009, 12:18 AM
murray still has to come to grips with the fact that clay courts dont do the work for him that hard does... even his attack was passive today... the game where he was broken... the idea of bringing to pony is great, though, the excution was poor...

but... there are enough clay matches under his belt... and good to see him moving well, imo...

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:20 AM
it's not that Delpo Just beat Andy Murray, it's the way he did it!
Absolutelly dominating! In a very good match!
Seems like Murr played his best today!!

Delpo is hovering around Big 4!!? Watch out! One of them might drop below 4 in the near future!(this doesn't include Rafa).

finishingmove
05-16-2009, 12:21 AM
murray still has to come to grips with the fact that clay courts dont do the work for him that hard does... even his attack was passive today... the game where he was broken... the idea of bringing to pony is great, though, the excution was poor...

but... there are enough clay matches under his belt... and good to see him moving well, imo...

it's the same as on any other surface.

if he stays too passive, and the opponent brings the goods, he'll lose.

tangerine_dream
05-16-2009, 12:22 AM
Thanks for breaking up the Roger and Rafa party, Andy. http://i44.tinypic.com/e03gw0.jpg

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:23 AM
it's not that Delpo Just beat Andy Murray, it's the way he did it!
Absolutelly dominating! In a very good match!
Seems like Murr played his best today!!

Delpo is hovering around Big 4!!? Watch out! One of them might drop below 4 in the near future!(this doesn't include Rafa).

What match were you watching? It was 7-6, 6-3. Hardly a demolition.

Secondly, how can you possibly think Murray played his best?

pica_pica
05-16-2009, 12:24 AM
Thanks for breaking up the Roger and Rafa party, Andy. http://i44.tinypic.com/e03gw0.jpg
:haha:

FedFan_2007
05-16-2009, 12:24 AM
So when will Murray start playing good on red clay? Roger was pretty shabby until he turned 23. Made his first RG semifinal at 23y10m. So give Murray another year, if he doesn't break out in 2010 then I'll write him off on the dirt.

philosophicalarf
05-16-2009, 12:25 AM
Two halves to this:

1) Murray looks comfortable, goes a break up, about to sevre for the set. Looks like a pretty comfortable win at this stage.

2) Murray gifts away a break, then screws up the tiebreak. Then has zero fight in the second set, and the break that set was atrocious: nothing error into net, nothing error into net, missed volley, and what should have been an easy winner from midcourt instead setup for DelPotro passing shot. Total lack of confidence, had no idea where to find his game.


The point between 1 and 2 where things went wrong seemed to be a broken string - after he changed rackets he couldn't do anything right, lost 11 points in a row. I've no idea why this should bother him so really, other than a lack of focus from what seemed to be a relatively straightforward win at that point. There wasn't much atmosphere, which didn't help either, they were both pretty muted. Basically Murray let his level slip cos his concentration was disturbed, and couldn't regain it for the entire rest of the match. Very unlike him.

As others have said, his tactics were very unambitious. Didn't stop him going a break up in the first though.



Del Potro was OK. I've seen him play better on clay, eg against Berdy, or last year even. Wasn't the Potro I hoped to see prematch tbh - the relentless depth and pace into the corners, with low UEs. He even tried a Verdasco-style choke on triple match point, but Murray gifted it back - had a midcourt winner for bp, netted it instead. Apparently he tweaked his back in the doubles yesterday, and was getting treated for it today.

Very poor match, all told.

Corey Feldman
05-16-2009, 12:25 AM
its time for Muzza to get rid of Mclagen and those others, his play is getting worse and his shots are getting shorter

a change in time for Wimbledon and he'll take the big prizes in the summer

time to get rid of the yes men

SheepleBuster
05-16-2009, 12:26 AM
This is Roger's tournament. He is going to crush Del Potro and then bagel Nadal. Oh wait. For that to happen you need 6 Advil PMs or like a feel-good tranquilizer.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:27 AM
No shame in Andy losing this. 11 aces and 3 match points saved. Not a bad tourney either for him.

yeah, looks like the definition of Ivo Karlovic!:devil:

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:29 AM
its time for Muzza to get rid of Mclagen and those others, his play is getting worse and his shots are getting shorter


Nah! I think Murr is playing his best tennis. Had he ever played better?? I Do not remember it.

Elena.
05-16-2009, 12:30 AM
Expected as Murray is not a clay court player ,I think he'll never have great results on this surface .

fast_clay
05-16-2009, 12:30 AM
it's the same as on any other surface.

if he stays too passive, and the opponent brings the goods, he'll lose.

well, it'd be nice to see him show us the on/off switch on occasion - like he can... i just find his spins and slices do not move through on clay, they bite hard and 'sit' well for his opponent... passive with depth is not a problem, but, dp ended up hugging the baseline this evening... and loved it...

murray could not wear a track at the back of the court like he did vs pony at the USO and sit low passive sh!t below knee height inside the baseline for dp to do the hard yards with... it doesnt work as well on clay... and, once murray surrendered that break up, soon, he surrendered the baseline with it...

credit to dp tho... he didnt have to be asked twice about dictating terms of engagement tonight... he took the match on...

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Nah! I think Murr is playing his best tennis. Had he ever played better?? I Do not remember it.

What drugs are you taking? Seriously. He was shocking and you think, inexplicably, that this was his greatest ever performance. :lol:

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 12:31 AM
Despite the loss I am glad that Murray played the right game until 5-2. He dropped down the guard just a little and Del Pony was all over him like a vulcher on a corpse. I am not even sure that Andy wanted to get back to retrieving like he did or it was Juan forcing him. However, he reverted to his previous ways on clay which are just like my sig, plain and simple - WRONG. Sorry Clydey, but now I think you understand what was I talking about from MC till now.

Sunset of Age
05-16-2009, 12:32 AM
Thanks for breaking up the Roger and Rafa party, Andy. http://i44.tinypic.com/e03gw0.jpg

Breaking it up? He might have just restored it! :p

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:32 AM
Now I understand why Djoker needed second shift in order to beat Delpo in Rome! The guy has the tools!

scoobs
05-16-2009, 12:33 AM
I don't think Murray was shockingly bad. I don't think he was anywhere near his best tennis. I think he put it a pretty average performance - he definitely started better and went downhill but even at the end he wasn't awful, just not very effective at holding off Del Potro, who is a guy who leans on anything short and sitting up - which is a problem Andy has with his shots on clay.

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:34 AM
Despite the loss I am glad that Murray played the right game until 5-2. He dropped down the guard just a little and Del Pony was all over him like a vulcher on a corpse. I am not even sure that Andy wanted to get back to retrieving like he did or it was Juan forcing him. However, he reverted to his previous ways on clay which are just like my sig, plain and simple - WRONG. Sorry Clydey, but now I think you understand what was I talking about from MC till now.

Not really. I said before the match that DP was favourite. This isn't a surprise. I said that Murray had improved on the clay. I didn't say he was a world beater. :shrug:

rocketassist
05-16-2009, 12:34 AM
its time for Muzza to get rid of Mclagen and those others, his play is getting worse and his shots are getting shorter

a change in time for Wimbledon and he'll take the big prizes in the summer

time to get rid of the yes men

This is how it is on the clay. A QF or so at RG and he can call his season good work.

Wimbledon with the atmosphere and not many guys I'd favour over him, in fact only the top two, on grass, that's the big 'un.

FedFan_2007
05-16-2009, 12:34 AM
Andy doesn't hit with enough topspin to be effective in this surface. He hits those loopy forehands, but that's not the same as the hard-biting topspin forehands of Nadal/Fed/Djoker. Until he can improve that forehand, he'll never amount to anything in the biggest clay events. Heck, I don't give him much chance at Wimbledon either.

cobalt60
05-16-2009, 12:35 AM
Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:35 AM
What drugs are you taking? Seriously. He was shocking and you think, inexplicably, that this was his greatest ever performance. :lol:

no, hold it, man!
My post was in response to your post!! You better read your post again. (You said that Murr needs to change the coach, that his play goes downhill recently...etc). So, what my response was that overall (not today's play, of course), Murray plays his bets tennis. Compare his this clay court season to his last year clay court season?!

You'll se what I am talking about.

Byrd
05-16-2009, 12:35 AM
Clydey go to sleep mate, I don't think you can carry on defending Murray for the whole night :lol: , plus the trolls are baiting the shit out of you on purpose.

SheepleBuster
05-16-2009, 12:36 AM
Eurosport was in full force for Andy.

- - A fairly distasteful bit of gamesmanship as Del Potro insists on a bit of extra water being hosed onto the court. There will be a little delay here.


2-1 - Del Potro holds serve nicely, but there's just a bit of needle here since that gamesmanship between the sets. It's as if the Argentine wants to put Murray in his place.

Where do they find these guys?
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/tennis/livematch/279685.html

Roddickominator
05-16-2009, 12:39 AM
I don't think Murray was shockingly bad. I don't think he was anywhere near his best tennis. I think he put it a pretty average performance - he definitely started better and went downhill but even at the end he wasn't awful, just not very effective at holding off Del Potro, who is a guy who leans on anything short and sitting up - which is a problem Andy has with his shots on clay.

Yeah Murray wasn't BAD per se. He was playing excellent defense....he just decided that he was not going to attack no matter what....even when down in the 2nd set.

FedFan_2007
05-16-2009, 12:40 AM
Roger is sleeping very well tonight. He'll thrash his pet pony, frustrating him with endless low slices all day long.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:40 AM
What match were you watching? It was 7-6, 6-3. Hardly a demolition.

Secondly, how can you possibly think Murray played his best?

Yes, I watched it. That's why my comment. Delpo was in control of the match all time!Even when he was a break down!! Don't you remember how he broke back?? Watch again.

And yeah, I am not surprised, nor any other serious tennis fans out there. Murray has no game to compete top players on clay.

That was demolition! IN straight sets to #3!!

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:40 AM
no, hold it, man!
My post was in response to your post!! You better read your post again. (You said that Murr needs to change the coach, that his play goes downhill recently...etc). So, what my response was that overall (not today's play, of course), Murray plays his bets tennis. Compare his this clay court season to his last year clay court season?!

You'll se what I am talking about.

I didn't say that Murray needs to change his coach. Corey said that. :lol:

Clydey
05-16-2009, 12:42 AM
Clydey go to sleep mate, I don't think you can carry on defending Murray for the whole night :lol: , plus the trolls are baiting the shit out of you on purpose.

You'd be surprised at how persistent I am. :lol:

I don't think they're doing it on purpose. Posters like Tangy are the only ones who really bait intentionally. The likes of Groundstroke just don't know any better.

scoobs
05-16-2009, 12:42 AM
Yeah Murray wasn't BAD per se. He was playing excellent defense....he just decided that he was not going to attack no matter what....even when down in the 2nd set.
I think he did attack at times, just not especially effectively. He needs a heavier topspin forehand - at the moment it doesn't put the opponent under enough pressure - he gets loop on it and spin but it gives the opponent too much time to attack off it. Being tall, Delpo can lean on that ball and crunch it, and being clay, Murray can't move as effectively so he can't defend quite as well. I also think he didn't explore the short sliced backhand often enough, force Del Potro to deal with a low short ball.

I kinda felt Andy put in a R2 sort of performance in a QF and got punished for it - he wasn't awful but nor did his game really hit top gear. When it does, he can be very successfully aggressive, and it wasn't happening tonight.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:44 AM
Andy doesn't hit with enough topspin to be effective in this surface. He hits those loopy forehands, but that's not the same as the hard-biting topspin forehands of Nadal/Fed/Djoker. Until he can improve that forehand, he'll never amount to anything in the biggest clay events. Heck, I don't give him much chance at Wimbledon either.

I sign that.:worship:

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:46 AM
I didn't say that Murray needs to change his coach. Corey said that. :lol:

sorry!:(
I read too many posts at the time, and have to reposnd to many...

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 12:48 AM
Roger is sleeping very well tonight. He'll thrash his pet pony, frustrating him with endless low slices all day long.

lol...I'll remember this prediction.

fast_clay
05-16-2009, 12:50 AM
I think he did attack at times, just not especially effectively. He needs a heavier topspin forehand - at the moment it doesn't put the opponent under enough pressure - he gets loop on it and spin but it gives the opponent too much time to attack off it. Being tall, Delpo can lean on that ball and crunch it, and being clay, Murray can't move as effectively so he can't defend quite as well. I also think he didn't explore the short sliced backhand often enough, force Del Potro to deal with a low short ball.

I kinda felt Andy put in a R2 sort of performance in a QF and got punished for it - he wasn't awful but nor did his game really hit top gear. When it does, he can be very successfully aggressive, and it wasn't happening tonight.

yes... heh heh... watching some of those, what could only be described as rolled forehands just sit there all juicy-like for dp, i was even thinking a sliced forehand approach would be better for pony to be facing...

which leads me to one thing i thought while watching... i dont think murray gets creative enough and ends up going about applying his game to some 'supposed clay court rulebook'... when, games foreign to the surface are usually best when applied straight to the surface without rewriting his game completely... he just couldn't get del potro double thinking tonight... murray needs to listen to a bit of james brown and get funky before he goes on court... you know... get feelin' good...

but... i think his movement looked good enough this week to well adapt his own style a bit more effectively... a massive difference to 5 weeks back anyways...

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 12:52 AM
Andy doesn't hit with enough topspin to be effective in this surface. He hits those loopy forehands, but that's not the same as the hard-biting topspin forehands of Nadal/Fed/Djoker. Until he can improve that forehand, he'll never amount to anything in the biggest clay events. Heck, I don't give him much chance at Wimbledon either.

:bs: He has all the shots, but his idea of a game-plan on clay sucks. As long as he plays against players who are in "gifting moods" he will win. FGS, even Monfils reached the SF of RG with that. The bad angle is when he face a serious player he won't be able maintain the change of the game-plan through a longer period and either he will start to make UEs while being aggressive or he will offer his ass on a platter while retrieving.

federernadalfan
05-16-2009, 12:59 AM
some atrocious tennis from andy. terrible...shots he would normally make were going long or into the net.
on the other hand, del potro was on fire from 5-3 in the first set.

leng jai
05-16-2009, 01:03 AM
You'd be surprised at how persistent I am. :lol:

I don't think they're doing it on purpose. Posters like Tangy are the only ones who really bait intentionally. The likes of Groundstroke just don't know any better.

Love Will Keep You Up All Night - Backstreet Boys.

Clydey
05-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Love Will Keep You Up All Night - Backstreet Boys.

Been rifling through your album collection to hit me with that one-liner?

Corey Feldman
05-16-2009, 01:05 AM
Andy wasnt even pushing tonight

he was wafting

scoobs
05-16-2009, 01:06 AM
Been rifling through your album collection to hit me with that one-liner?
Be grateful he didn't go for

Obsession ~ Animotion

Clydey
05-16-2009, 01:08 AM
Be grateful he didn't go for

Obsession ~ Animotion

I would have expected something from Erasure. I'd have thought Backstreet Boys were a bit heavy for leng jai. :shrug:

HeretiC
05-16-2009, 01:09 AM
It is kinda shame that we won't be able to watch Murray- Federer on clay. It would have been fun for sure. :sad:
But the better player tonight progressed.

scoobs
05-16-2009, 01:10 AM
I would have expected something from Erasure. I'd have thought Backstreet Boys were a bit heavy for leng jai. :shrug:
He likes his music to be deep and meaningful. Though I had him pegged for an N Sync man to be honest.



I'm more concerned that Andy was snappy with his camp this evening - he can do without reverting to the Brad old days.

Clydey
05-16-2009, 01:12 AM
He likes his music to be deep and meaningful. Though I had him pegged for an N Sync man to be honest.



I'm more concerned that Andy was snappy with his camp this evening - he can do without reverting to the Brad old days.

His attitude hasn't improved as much as people think. His results have improved, so we don't see the tantrums as often. Granted, he's not as bad as he was against, say, Davydenko in Dubai. He still mutters and moans when things aren't going his way, though.

Corey Feldman
05-16-2009, 01:12 AM
I'm more concerned that Andy was snappy with his camp this evening - he can do without reverting to the Brad old days.Good, he knows as well the basters need to be sacked

federernadalfan
05-16-2009, 01:16 AM
Roger is sleeping very well tonight. He'll thrash his pet pony, frustrating him with endless low slices all day long.

agreed. it's roger's birthday today

rubbERR
05-16-2009, 01:21 AM
Andy was playing fine at times, he just got outplayed after he forget how to be aggressive//he was aggressive first 3-4 games.

leng jai
05-16-2009, 01:25 AM
I would have expected something from Erasure. I'd have thought Backstreet Boys were a bit heavy for leng jai. :shrug:

BSB 4 Lyfe!

McAlistar
05-16-2009, 01:44 AM
Murray had plenty of chances and should have easily won the first set, credit to DP though, his groundstrokes were very good.

MacTheKnife
05-16-2009, 01:52 AM
Well I predicted D-pot would surprise some people in this match, but I did not think it would be straights. That's what happens when one guy in on or inside the base line and the other guy is 10 to 12 feet behind it. Well earned victory of the big man.

FlameOn
05-16-2009, 01:56 AM
Well done D-Pot. I hope he does well against Federer. :scared: He needs to put that double-bagel at AO out of his mind and I'm not sure he'll be able to.

nkp2
05-16-2009, 02:02 AM
The thing that amuses me most is how half the people commenting in this thread are saying how pish Murray played but yet how amazing DP played..... surely either one player won it or one player lost it?

philosophicalarf
05-16-2009, 02:10 AM
The thing that amuses me most is how half the people commenting in this thread are saying how pish Murray played but yet how amazing DP played..... surely either one player won it or one player lost it?

Murray was dreadful. Not just in tactics - that's a given - but in the enormous brainfart when winning easily, and the subsequent inability to find much game at all. Even playing the wrong tactics, he could probably have won today - as he was in the first set.

DelPot was OK, and was able to look reasonably good by Murray's tactics and errors. He can play considerably better than this though, particularly on serve (is that the back injury? FS% was awful against against Wawa too). He was superb vs Berdy, his full clay game on display, then considerably worse vs Wawrinka, and probably even worse than that today. If he keeps backpedalling he'll get utterly destroyed by Fed tomorrow.

GlennMirnyi
05-16-2009, 02:10 AM
:lol:

Knew this would happen.

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 02:12 AM
I was astounded by Potro's net play! Man, 15 out of 17 net approaches successful!
He can become monster if he continues improving like this. Although, Djoker taught him a lesson in Rome!?

MacTheKnife
05-16-2009, 02:13 AM
You're kidding right, Murray was so far behind the base line he was not even in the camera shot half the time. D-pot was on or inside it for most of the match. That was the difference.

VolandriFan
05-16-2009, 02:15 AM
Now Juanma has wins over Nadal and Murray. People have dismissed him too quickly in the past, which is quite a shame given his age and immense potential.

For Del Potro it's all about being in a positive mindset and getting these kind of results consistently. He's lucky in that he doesn't lose many matches he shouldn't, so he can work on catching the guys ahead of him.

habibko
05-16-2009, 02:59 AM
expected result, I picked Del Pony to upset Murray in ATP draw challenge even before the tournament starts :angel:

I didn't however imagine Del Pony would get it done in straights, I didn't watch the match but from what I read Murray was his pathetic passive self, I hope he soon realizes that's not the way to play the big guns.

first Nadal, now Murray, can Del Pony bring something new to the table? can he upset Federer?

Clydey
05-16-2009, 03:16 AM
expected result, I picked Del Pony to upset Murray in ATP draw challenge even before the tournament starts :angel:

I didn't however imagine Del Pony would get it done in straights, I didn't watch the match but from what I read Murray was his pathetic passive self, I hope he soon realizes that's not the way to play the big guns.

first Nadal, now Murray, can Del Pony bring something new to the table? can he upset Federer?

Nope. Federer is just a horrible style matchup for Pony. I expect it to be a straight sets win for Fed.

Florida
05-16-2009, 03:20 AM
Wow!!!! Happy B -Day Andy! Never thought Delpo will have a mental edge over you! So much for the B-Day Boy the British God on Clay!!!! I feel sorry for all the people who jumped on an invented Murray #2 bandwagon!!!! Good luck in RG, you will definately needed for a good draw nowhere near the top clay specialists.

Florida
05-16-2009, 03:21 AM
Nope. Federer is just a horrible style matchup for Pony. I expect it to be a straight sets win for Fed.

I agree! Fed will show Delpo how older generations play on clay. Apparently Murray was incapable of doing so today!

Action Jackson
05-16-2009, 03:55 AM
The old waiting for del Potro to make the mistakes and lose the match tactic didn't work today, good to be wrong about this result, but Fed will be loving the del Potro ball machine in the semis.

del Potro had a go and was rewarded for it.

meihaditalab
05-16-2009, 04:00 AM
Oh god, Murray is getting old and still no success in his tennis career. what a shame.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

habibko
05-16-2009, 04:04 AM
Nope. Federer is just a horrible style matchup for Pony. I expect it to be a straight sets win for Fed.

well who expected Nadal to lose to Del Potro? Roger could have a bad day where nothing works and Del Pony could be on fire, if he somehow won the first set - say in a tie-break - it could get really tricky, nothing is written in stone.

HarryMan
05-16-2009, 04:08 AM
Excellent result, I didn't expect this. Del Potro played a decent match but that was more than enough to beat Murray.

luvrafa
05-16-2009, 04:08 AM
Fed got lucky!
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lol...he'll be unlucky soon enough, if he faces Rafa in the finals...his luck will run out fasssst!

MalwareDie
05-16-2009, 04:35 AM
:banghead: What a disappointment. Andy should have partied after he won the match. Losing to Mug Pony is one of the most disgraceful things that you can do.

At least Roger will sleep well and deliver yet another bagel to Pony soon.

lamnathalie
05-16-2009, 05:05 AM
So Del Potro spoiled Murray's birthday! :lol:

w78dexon_y
05-16-2009, 05:19 AM
At least Roger will sleep well and deliver yet another bagel to Pony soon.

you wanna start a new thread?

Greatness
05-16-2009, 05:26 AM
Hilarious how the commentators kept harping about Murray being the main competitor for Nadal on clay.
Good win by Del Potro.

Clara Bow
05-16-2009, 05:52 AM
:banghead: What a disappointment. Andy should have partied after he won the match. Losing to Mug Pony is one of the most disgraceful things that you can do.

Murray did not play his best- but Delpo played well. I don't see how losing to the number five player when he is playing well is one of the "most disgraceful things you can do" but I guess I am not on the train that Delpo is a talentless mug worthy only of scorn. My fault I am sure for not damning Andy for this loss and berating JMDP as nothing but a mug.

I know it is very popular here to bash Del Potro as talentless, anyone who loses to him is awful etc. here. But silly me- I thought JMDP played well and aggressive and deserved the match. I fail to see how his playing well and taking the initiative is a disgrace.

He is far behind Andy- and he has a bad record against the top four- but perhaps I am deluded but I actually think he played well in this match and showed his skills and showed why he has his ranking.

Sorry MD for the ranting- but as someone who does not feel that Delpo is a talentless mug- just had to vent.

That stated- Murray has the Rafa disease- he tends to get to passive and defensive at times.

I actually thought that Delpo played better against Tomas, but that could be because they were two hard court players battling from the back of the court.

One thing that was good for me as Delpo fan was to see him come up to the net. Granted- he only does it essentially when it behooves him after whacking his opponent to the far side of the court and not out of a niggling for creative play at the net- but still- the willingness to come up will bode him well I have seen him many times stay at backcourt when he should move up to finish and today he came up more. Also today- his mental stability when his back was against the wall was impressive.

wildegirl05
05-16-2009, 06:10 AM
omg!!! cannot believe this. didn't expect this in my wildest dreams but super happy for jmdp :yeah:

:woohoo:

your_valentine
05-16-2009, 07:38 AM
Pathetic Andy :o

Mechlan
05-16-2009, 08:19 AM
Horrid, Andy. You can play a lot better than that.

Certinfy
05-16-2009, 08:24 AM
Wanted Andy to win but oh well.

Stephie Cesc
05-16-2009, 08:26 AM
:aparty: Well done, JMDP :yeah:

jazar
05-16-2009, 09:17 AM
nice one juan. deserved.

heya
05-16-2009, 10:10 AM
His footwork and long arms weren't good enough. No plan B from Murray. He's not so good despite humiliating Federer since 2006. Yesterday, Federer was a point from losing 0-3 in the 1st set and lost his serve 3 times in the tiebreak. Lucky net bounce and 2 break-point luck points saved Federer in Miami too.

No doubt, Federer will be destroyed in Madrid.

rubbERR
05-16-2009, 11:11 AM
Shows you how much you know about tennis...Andy played well in baseline his typical pushing game but his returns not so good at times, but in BASELINE he just got OUTPLAYED!

Deejay
05-16-2009, 11:15 AM
Not a surprising loss for me. Despite andy's minor improvement on clay you get the feeling that it's still a major chore for him to play well on the surface and its obvious that at times he really dislikes playing on clay.

Like i've said before, if Murray makes the 4th round of the french without being involved in too many scrapes its a job well done for him as he's still a ways behind the likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Ferrer, Del Potro & Gonzalez on clay.

groundstroke
05-16-2009, 11:19 AM
Not a surprising loss for me. Despite andy's minor improvement on clay you get the feeling that it's still a major chore for him to play well on the surface and its obvious that at times he really dislikes playing on clay.

Like i've said before, if Murray makes the 4th round of the french without being involved in too many scrapes its a job well done for him as he's still a ways behind the likes of Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Ferrer, Del Potro & Gonzalez on clay.

Wrong, Murray moved to Spain when he was 15 and I remember an interview a while back where he said that he loved playing on clay. A lot of his game is built on playing on clay in Barcelona.

amonb
05-16-2009, 11:35 AM
Didn't think andy played that bad 2nite! Just too good from del potro. If he plays like that against Fed, Fed will be in TRUUUUUUBBBBBLLLLLLE!!!

Duncan
05-16-2009, 12:19 PM
Best man won last night, i can have no complaints! I even thought Andy played okay for the most of it

If Del Potro plays like that today then i think he will beat Federer. Playing like that consistantly is a big ask though

amonb
05-16-2009, 12:24 PM
Best man won last night, i can have no complaints! I even thought Andy played okay for the most of it

If Del Potro plays like that today then i think he will beat Federer. Playing like that consistantly is a big ask thoughI don't think he'll be mentally ready to beat 2 out the top 3 in consecutive matches just yet!!

PiggyGotRoasted
05-16-2009, 12:38 PM
Del Potro just had too much TOP SPIN

pica_pica
05-16-2009, 01:33 PM
All of Murray's losses this year are on the hands of Spaniards (Nadal, Verdasco) and Argentines (Monaco, Del Potro).
I guess he must be cursing all Argentines now, considering his recent losses to Nalbandian, Monaco and Del Potro.

Merton
05-16-2009, 03:38 PM
Solid from Del Potro, Andy could not keep up the variation in his game that he showed up to 5-2* in the 1st set.

iSzavay.
05-16-2009, 05:02 PM
Andy :o:tape:.

tealeaves
05-16-2009, 06:16 PM
WOW Del Pony :eek: :hearts:
Now try your best to beat Federer :eek:

Caralimon
05-16-2009, 06:28 PM
Good win Juan, he kept the pressure and a high intensity throughout the match. He's finally showing some guts and attitude. He should do well in Paris too.

For Murray it wasn't a terrible week, and at least for me he's shown he has what it takes to succeed on clay. Probably it's just a matter of mindset.

PiggyGotRoasted
05-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Andy played pretty good, just del potro was on fire and Murray couldnt have really done much more with his game style.

Its a risk you take by playing defencive, if you play a big hitter and they play well enough they are going to win.