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Nadal critic on Madrid:

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 02:49 PM
(Spanish) http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2009/05/09/tenis/1241875134.html

Bablefish http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elmundo.es%2Felmundodeporte %2F2009%2F05%2F09%2Ftenis%2F1241875134.html+&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

Looks like he got pretty stupid and cliché questions, but the answers are nice. Those always pissed about Nadal being too nice on interviews will enjoy this.

Garson007
05-09-2009, 02:56 PM
The translations are almost better than Nadal's English. :help:

jonathancrane
05-09-2009, 03:09 PM
"Ayer y hoy he entrenado fuera y la pista tenía bastantes malos botes, y si le añadimos la altura de Madrid se pone complicado jugar"

:haha:

kingfederer
05-09-2009, 03:16 PM
"Ayer y hoy he entrenado fuera y la pista tenía bastantes malos botes, y si le añadimos la altura de Madrid se pone complicado jugar"

:haha:

meanin?

finishingmove
05-09-2009, 03:19 PM
the altitude will make complicate, no?

kingfederer
05-09-2009, 03:21 PM
i tell u, who ever fool translated this should be sent to a mental institute. it hurts my brain just reading it.

finishingmove
05-09-2009, 03:22 PM
it's an automated word by word translation...

kingfederer
05-09-2009, 03:25 PM
u go rafa, i was hoping he would speak out against the blue clay and altitude. rafa let rip it seems at tiriac, saying tennis is not show business and still have traditions. it was a verbal assult by rafa on tiriac, rafa calls out tiriac it seems.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 03:30 PM
i tell u, who ever fool translated this should be sent to a mental institute. it hurts my brain just reading it.

And a high security one so he can never escape. He calls 'bounce' boat! WTF? I didnt even finish reading it was a joke.

I do think Nadal makes to much of this blue clay though and the conditions in Madrid. Is he starting to doubt himself? :angel:

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 03:35 PM
MADRID. - The inaugural day of the match of Madrid, a “mini Grand Slam” of cuts futurist that installs to tennis in a new dimension, it was darkened by the hard critics of the Spanish Rafael Nadal. The hard number one dedicated palabas to the conditions of game and the intention to prove a blue track that replaces red the habitual one of the clay.

“The facilities good, are all a little disorderly still, I create I. The ball boat is complicated at the moment. I have trained yesterday and today outside and the track had enough bad boats, and if we added the height to him of Madrid puts itself complicated to play”, the Spanish said.

The attempt of Madrid to create a blue surface that also replaces the habitual orange was criticized by the Majorcan. The organizers had the intention to play all the match in blue, but finally they had to be satisfied to having only one track of training of that color. “She is the perfect thing that is and good that she is I am against totally”, emphasized Nadal.

“All we can rise badly or or”, said with serious gesture Manolo Santana, director of the match, when it was asked to him for the words of number one of the world. The central field of the match takes the name of Santana, the best Spanish tennis player of history until the irruption of Nadal.

Santana recognized that the match impelled by the Rumanian Ion Tiriac failed in its attempt to give to a fort blow mediatic impact with the creation of blue clay fields that replaced the traditional orange. ““Timing” was not the correct one, we hurried. But we want to do it, Madrid always stood out for being novel. I nonfodder in the past, fodder in the future”.

But Nadal yes emphasizes the past. “The earth tour is historical, the Earth is red, nonblue, tennis not only is “show-business”, is more things than to value, history and tradition. By something it will be that there are emblematic scenes in the world of the sport that are conserved”. “In my humble opinion the track would have to be red since it has been always. If we put rare things considering that to the following week is Roland Garros, see I it complicated. But we know that sometimes there are things that pass in front of the tradition and history, we trust that this time is not thus”.

“the match of Madrid enchanted to me as it were before”, Nadal, sponsored by Mapfre, rival of insuring the Mutual Madrilenian, main “sponsor” of the match insisted. Madrid gambled until 2008 in autumn and fast surface. The new match, true “a mini Grand Slam”, is much more great, it is disputed on clay and it reunites to the best rackets of the ATP and the WTA.

Of 2.270 million dollars in prizes that distributed it jumped to 7.2 million. The star of the Magical Box is the central stage with sliding ceiling and capacity for 12,000 spectators. There are other two technically identical ones, with possibility of sheltering 3,500 and 2,500 people. The constructed surface happened of 30,000 meters squared to 83.500.

In spite of the impressive thing of the scene, to Nadal it does not like that the match finishes six days before Roland Garros, the maximum match begins on clay and one of the four of Grand Slam, in which will look for his fifth consecutive title. “I do not doubt that the facilities are of the best ones than it has in the circuit, but that the last previous match to Roland Garros is in height it changes a little the situation. If the last match were Rome before Paris would be more suitable conditions, but there is one week now before, so there is no problem with that”.

Nadal did not remain there. In that it was the first press conference of a player in the flaming Magical Box, a key scene of the candidacy from Madrid to the Olympic Games of 2016, ruined any possibility that Madrid someday aspires to organize a Grand Slam. “The Grand Slam is four, it seems to you that you can put five? Certainly Madrid is a great match, but Rome and Montecar it are great matches also. The tradition indicates that they are four, not five great ones”.

Santana, who recognized conversations with Rome to change the date of Madrid, assured to have commented with Nadal the critics that did to the match, and did not misestimate that the height of Madrid - little more than 500 meters it is a problem. “There is a complex with the height of Madrid. I was player and she never affected to me. Many Spanish players gained the match of Gstaad, that gambles 1,000 meters of height”.

WTF???

Except for this ridiculous translantion i wonder why Rafa is complaining so much. I mean he doesnt even need to play! I think he starting to feel the pressure of being nr 1...

kingfederer
05-09-2009, 03:38 PM
And a high security one so he can never escape. He calls 'bounce' boat! WTF? I didnt even finish reading it was a joke.

I do think Nadal makes to much of this blue clay though and the conditions in Madrid. Is he starting to doubt himself? :angel:

:lol:

nadal is just telling tiriac to fuck off and get his greazy slimy hands off tennis and not turn it into tiriac's own circus show. blue clay 1 week before roland garros? if this blue clay shit happens nadal should never play madrid again in protest and tell tiriac to lick his own moustache.

habibko
05-09-2009, 03:38 PM
an attempt at a better translation, still not perfect so don't flame me!


Nadal welcomes criticism of the Madrid tournament
MADRID .- The day of the inaugural tournament in Madrid, a "mini Grand Slam 'cutting futuristic tennis installed in a new dimension, was overshadowed by the harsh criticism of the Spanish Rafael Nadal. The number one hard palabas devoted to the game and intend to try a blue track to replace the usual red clay.

"The facilities, however, are still a little messy, I think. the ball bounces are complicated at the moment. Yesterday and today I practiced and the court had enough bad bounces, and if we add the height of Madrid it makes for complicated play" said the Spanish.

The attempt of Madrid to create a blue surface to replace the usual orange was also criticized by the Mallorcan. The organizers had intended to play the entire tournament in blue, but they eventually had to settle for having only one training court with that color. "Be as perfect as it is and how good I am still totally against it," said Nadal.

"Everybody can get it right or wrong," said Manolo Santana with a serious gesture, director of the tournament, when asked about what the world number one said. The golf tournament Central is named for Santana, the best tennis player in Spanish history until the emergence of Nadal.

Santana acknowledged that the tournament promoted by the Romanian Ion Tiriac failed in his attempt to blow a strong media impact with the creation of blue clay courts to replace the traditional orange. "The 'timing' was not the correct one, we hasten. But we want to do, Madrid always stood out for being innovative. I do not think in the past, I think in the future."

But Nadal highlights the past. "The tour is historic ground, the earth is red, not blue, tennis is not just 'show business', there are more things to appreciate, history and tradition. It is something that is emblematic scenery in the world of sport are preserved." "In my humble opinion the court should be red as it has always been. If we put weird stuff given that the following week is Roland Garros, I see it complicated. But we know that sometimes there are things that happen in front of Tradition and history, I'm confident that this time it's not good."

"I loved the tournament in Madrid as it was before," insisted Nadal, sponsored by Mapfre, rival insurer Mutua Madrileña, the main 'sponsor' of the tournament. Madrid was played up in autumn 2008 and on the surface quickly. The new tournament, a true "mini Grand Slam 'is much larger, is played on clay and brings together the best rackets of the ATP and WTA.

Of 2.270 million dollars in prizes distributed jumped to 7.2 million. The star of the Magic Box is the central stadium with sliding roof and capacity for 12,000 spectators. There are two technically identical, with the possibility of accommodating 3,500 and 2,500 people. The surface area increased from 30,000 to 83,500 square meters.

Despite the impact of the scene, Nadal does not like the tournament finished six days before the start of Roland Garros, the top tournament on clay and one of the four Grand Slam, where he will seek his fifth consecutive title. "I have no doubt that the facilities are the best there is in the circuit, but the last tournament before Roland Garros is a little change in height of the situation. If Rome was the last tournament before Paris would be most suitable conditions, but there is now one week before, so no problem with that."

Nadal was not there. In the first press conference of a new player in the Magic Box, a key stage of the candidature of Madrid at the Olympic Games in 2016, drove overland Madrid any possibility that one day aspire to host a Grand Slam. "The four Grand Slam, you think that you could put five? Sure Madrid is a great tournament, but Rome and Monte Carlo are also big tournaments. Tradition indicates that there are four, not five."

Santana acknowledged that talks with Rome to change the date of Madrid, said not having commented on the criticism that Nadal was the tournament and dismissed the height of Madrid, just over 500 meters, is a problem. "There is a complex with the height of Madrid. I was a player and it never affected me. Many Spanish players have won the tournament in Gstaad, which is played at 1000 meters in height."

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 03:46 PM
:lol:

nadal is just telling tiriac to fuck off and get his greazy slimy hands off tennis and not turn it into tiriac's own circus show. blue clay 1 week before roland garros? if this blue clay shit happens nadal should never play madrid again in protest and tell tiriac to lick his own moustache.

:rolls:

Ok you could be right, but he is also complaining about the altitude and stuff. He should still win the tournament easily. If he thinks he cant then he can just skip it for some much needed rest.

Federerhingis
05-09-2009, 04:16 PM
an attempt at a better translation, still not perfect so don't flame me!

This translation is the most sound and is the best attempt at a decent translation.

Translating is a very difficult craft and much of an art. There is no such thing as literal translation, when it does occur the meaning usually loses it's semantic value.

philosophicalarf
05-09-2009, 04:21 PM
Dunno what Nadal's complaining about, after all a high bounce only favours him.

Action Jackson
05-09-2009, 04:25 PM
Dunno what Nadal's complaining about, after all a high bounce only favours him.

The ball will travel through the air slightly quicker in Madrid.

Chloe le Bopper
05-09-2009, 04:34 PM
:rolls:

Ok you could be right, but he is also complaining about the altitude and stuff. He should still win the tournament easily. If he thinks he cant then he can just skip it for some much needed rest.
Clearly Nadal is absolutely full of self doubt. Given that's he's always, throughout his entire career, demonstrated a complete lack of self esteem, this is the only logical conclusion. That the conditions do, in fact, blow, and he's merely making an observation would be an absurd conclusion to draw. Thank goodness nobody did that. Phew.

Action Jackson
05-09-2009, 04:57 PM
600m is not going to have much of an impact, if it was Bogota, Medellin, Llhasa, Quito or La Paz then yes.

Look at this shit.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g239/GeorgeWH/blueclay.jpg

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 05:01 PM
meanin?

Meaning you are an ignoramus.

Johnny Groove
05-09-2009, 05:05 PM
Seems like Nadal has got a good sense of the history of the game. The blue clay is complete bullshit and needs to be done away with as well as mafioso Tiriac.

Blue clay is defined as a blue-colored hardcourt tournament that Nadal wins, not literal blue clay.

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 05:15 PM
There has been some absurd talk here in Spain about a "fifth grand slam", mostly from Tiriac's influence, of course. Journalists of course jump at the idea at every chance, that's why they asked Nadal about it and he answered what any player would say about such a sacrilege: this is a sport based on tradition. Same about the blue clay shit.

Bad bounces mean the courts have not been prepared properly and maybe the underlying ground is not perfect. Hasty inauguration, works are still being done as we talk, and yes, the women's event has already started. I just hope the 3 main courts are in perfect condition.

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 05:17 PM
There has been some absurd talk here in Spain about a "fifth grand slam", mostly from Tiriac's influence, of course. Journalists of course jump at the idea at every chance, that's why they asked Nadal about it and he answered what any player would say about such a sacrilege: this is a sport based on tradition. Same about the blue clay shit.

Bad bounces mean the courts have not been prepared properly and maybe the underlying ground is not perfect. Hasty inauguration, works are still being done as we talk, and yes, the women's event has already started. I just hope the 3 main courts are in perfect condition.

There is no such thing as indoor clay courts without bad bounces. Doesn't matter how well laid it is. Seriously.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 05:18 PM
Clearly Nadal is absolutely full of self doubt. Given that's he's always, throughout his entire career, demonstrated a complete lack of self esteem, this is the only logical conclusion. That the conditions do, in fact, blow, and he's merely making an observation would be an absurd conclusion to draw. Thank goodness nobody did that. Phew.

Glad you see it.

Saumon
05-09-2009, 05:30 PM
600m is not going to have much of an impact, if it was Bogota, Medellin, Llhasa, Quito or La Paz then yes.

Look at this shit.

It looks ewwwwww.

FNnVEJ6n-hk

chammer44
05-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Might they be trying to improve visibility with the blue clay?

shotgun
05-09-2009, 05:39 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

jonathancrane
05-09-2009, 05:40 PM
OMG Rafita is seriously balding :tape:

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 05:40 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

Tradition only in my interest, no?

justsumma
05-09-2009, 05:45 PM
Tradition only in my interest, no? The guy has always been a selfish bastard. I just can't believe how people fall for his "I'm too nice a piggy, full of altruism and innocence"-shtick

Johnny Groove
05-09-2009, 05:45 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

Carpet should come back and Wimbledon should also be sped back up. Fast-court tennis is awesome to watch.

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 05:48 PM
The guy has always been a selfish bastard. I just can't believe how people fall for his "I'm too nice a piggy, full of altruism and innocence"-shtick

Never in doubt.

You must be awfully blind to think someone who thinks he's such a huge star nobody can give him time warnings and such is altruist and selfless.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 05:54 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

Its true, he is a bit of a two face. I dont fall for his nice exterior. I think there is much more to him then his fanboys see. Remember how he called for fewer hard courts? :o

Corey Feldman
05-09-2009, 06:21 PM
is he ever happy with anything unless he's winning it ?

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 06:22 PM
Its true, he is a bit of a two face. I dont fall for his nice exterior. I think there is much more to him then his fanboys see. Remember how he called for fewer hard courts? :o

Yeah, having an opinion is evil, no?

It was very easy for Nadal to come out today and say Madrid is fantastic, yeah, the fifth slam; blue clay well, I don't know, maybe; and yes, the Caja Mágica is perfectly organized, it's the best tournament ever.

Yet he said with sincerity that so far it's not looking good, and that tradition is not for sale, is that bad?

finishingmove
05-09-2009, 06:26 PM
is he ever happy with anything unless he's winning it ?

wait.. he IS winning madrid.

damn this nadal is worse than federer. :rolleyes:

:lol:

nadal il mito
05-09-2009, 06:28 PM
Yeah, having an opinion is evil, no?

It was very easy for Nadal to come out today and say Madrid is fantastic, yeah, the fifth slam; blue clay well, I don't know, maybe; and yes, the Caja Mágica is perfectly organized, it's the best tournament ever.

Yet he said with sincerity that so far it's not looking good, and that tradition is not for sale, is that bad?


great post.
anti-nadal reign here.

sirwilliam
05-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Nice combination punches there Rafa! Hehe, nice to see he's not afraid to tell it like it is. Madrid tourney and tour reorganizing are a big fiasco...

guptaji
05-09-2009, 06:37 PM
is he ever happy with anything unless he's winning it ?

Same flawed logic by many of you. He hasn't not won in Madrid. In fact, he is likely to win the tournament. Also, he doesn't like HCs so much but he wins there as well. So what are you talking about? That was a rhetorical question.

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 06:39 PM
Yeah, having an opinion is evil, no?

It was very easy for Nadal to come out today and say Madrid is fantastic, yeah, the fifth slam; blue clay well, I don't know, maybe; and yes, the Caja Mágica is perfectly organized, it's the best tournament ever.

Yet he said with sincerity that so far it's not looking good, and that tradition is not for sale, is that bad?

No, having an opinion isn't bad.

What's bad and shows lack of character is using "tradition" to justify something when he's not happy about it but don't give a flying f*** to it when he called for less hard courts and no carpet.

Roddickominator
05-09-2009, 06:40 PM
Well done translation habibko, much appreciated.

So Nadal is complaining about a clay court having bad bounces and the ball bouncing too high. Seriously?

What's next....whining about mud getting on his shirt when he lays in it? This is what happens on primitive clay courts.

At least the blue clay will make him look like a smurf when rolls around in it.

guptaji
05-09-2009, 06:41 PM
Clearly Nadal is absolutely full of self doubt. Given that's he's always, throughout his entire career, demonstrated a complete lack of self esteem

It's called humility.

guptaji
05-09-2009, 06:50 PM
No, having an opinion isn't bad.

What's bad and shows lack of character is using "tradition" to justify something when he's not happy about it but don't give a flying f*** to it when he called for less hard courts and no carpet.

Tradition doesn't uniformly mean that one should keep things same as they were in the past. It can have different meanings to different people. Nadal is saying that, in his opinion, artificially changing the color of clay doesn't seem right to him. What's the big deal here? It sure doesn't make him less of a favorite to win in Madrid.

Another example of tradition is your pottymouth. Probably your parents had pottymouth and you think it's important to carry that tradition forward. However, maybe your kids won't have a pottymouth like you (I agree that's unlikely).. but you see how tradition can be interpreted differently.

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 06:54 PM
Tradition doesn't uniformly mean that one should keep things same as they were in the past. It can have different meanings to different people. Nadal is saying that, in his opinion, artificially changing the color of clay doesn't seem right to him. What's the big deal here? It sure doesn't make him less of a favorite to win in Madrid.

Another example of tradition is your pottymouth. Probably your parents had pottymouth and you think it's important to carry that tradition forward. However, maybe your kids won't have a pottymouth like you (I agree that's unlikely).. but you see how tradition can be interpreted differently.

I read the first sentence and then just stopped reading. You need to learn the real meaning of some words.

tradition |trəˈdi sh ən|
noun
1 the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way : every shade of color is fixed by tradition and governed by religious laws.
• a long-established custom or belief that has been passed on in this way : Japan's unique cultural traditions.
• [in sing. ] an artistic or literary method or style established by an artist, writer, or movement, and subsequently followed by others : visionary works in the tradition of William Blake.

Pottymouth. Does that word even exist?

Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension and then we can discuss any subject you might find appropriate.

morningglory
05-09-2009, 06:56 PM
OMG OMG OMG Orgasmatron is back!!!! :woohoo:
We were all wondering where you had run away to after Fed's massive chokes in Rome :lol:
I thought you weren't going to show your face around here again! :haha:
We missed you :sad: MTF needs its clowns...

guptaji
05-09-2009, 07:03 PM
I read the first sentence and then just stopped reading. You need to learn the real meaning of some words.

tradition |trəˈdi sh ən|
noun
1 the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way : every shade of color is fixed by tradition and governed by religious laws.
• a long-established custom or belief that has been passed on in this way : Japan's unique cultural traditions.
• [in sing. ] an artistic or literary method or style established by an artist, writer, or movement, and subsequently followed by others : visionary works in the tradition of William Blake.

Pottymouth. Does that word even exist?

Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension and then we can discuss any subject you might find appropriate.

How did you read "pottymouth" in the first line (remember you stopped readin after that?). More important than copy-and-paste is what things truly mean. We would never even have an "Open Era" if tradition meant 'keep things just the same'. Or better yet, we would still all be living like cavemen to preserve tradition. That's clearly not true.

Coming back to your pottymouth.. do you think your grandpa swore left and right like you do? Or how about your great-grandpa? It's likely that someone in your past debated using logic in a mature way but then someone like you or your dad decided, 'screw logic, let's just start using foul language instead -- seems like an easy way to "win" arguments'. I think you get it now.

GlennMirnyi
05-09-2009, 07:05 PM
How did you read "pottymouth" in the first line (remember you stopped readin after that?). More important than copy-and-paste is what things truly mean. We would never even have an "Open Era" if tradition meant 'keep things just the same'. Or better yet, we would still all be living like cavemen to preserve tradition. That's clearly not true.

Coming back to your pottymouth.. do you think your grandpa swore left and right like you do? Or how about your great-grandpa? It's likely that someone in your past debated using logic in a mature way but then someone like you or your dad decided, 'screw logic, let's just start using foul language instead -- seems like an easy way to "win" arguments'. I think you get it now.

Actually I edited the post.

Yeah, I'm the one not using logic and you're the one who dismisses the dictionary's meaning - i.e. the most precise and logic meaning.

Grab a napkin, mate. You just got served.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 07:23 PM
OMG OMG OMG Orgasmatron is back!!!! :woohoo:
We were all wondering where you had run away to after Fed's massive chokes in Rome :lol:
I thought you weren't going to show your face around here again! :haha:
We missed you :sad: MTF needs its clowns...

I was reading your post about me talking smack. I would have replied but i was banned by a racist mod. Anyhow i never talk smack and then leave. I am man enough to face up to my posts. Federer was busy tearing Faker a huge asshole and the score would have been 4 and 1 had he not stopped competing. So i wasnt far out. If you think something like this would make me leave MTF you clearly dont know me. ORGASMATRON is here to stay. Not even racist mods will keep me away.

Roddickominator
05-09-2009, 07:41 PM
I just thought it was funny that he was complaining about high bouncing and bad bounces on a clay court....this is typical behavior on such an amateurish surface.

But sure, he's absolutely selectively defending tradition if he is using the newest technology of racket strings and not complaining about the changing of court speeds, balls etc. He apparently cares more if the court is blue....which has absolutely nothing to do with his performance on it.

chammer44
05-09-2009, 08:57 PM
AM I the only one who thinks this blue colour may actually be better for a television audience - that is to say, the vast majority of those who watch tennis?

For the critics, why is blue concrete okay, but blue clay not? And why the attachment to reddish shit?

munZe konZa
05-09-2009, 08:57 PM
the surface looks like a surface of planet Neptune :wavey:

http://www.astronomy-for-kids-online.com/images/neptune.gif

Hugh Jaas
05-09-2009, 09:07 PM
"this is SPARTA"

http://i43.tinypic.com/aagmsz.jpg

chammer44
05-09-2009, 09:17 PM
the surface looks like a surface of planet Neptune :wavey:

http://www.astronomy-for-kids-online.com/images/neptune.gif

YOu mean it will actually improve visibility?

Perish the thought.:rolleyes:

We all know what a catastrophe blue courts have wrought elsewhere.

vidanhv
05-09-2009, 09:21 PM
i just couldn't finish reading.

Geo
05-09-2009, 09:40 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)


:rolls: :worship:



getting back to the article, I'm not surprised Nadal is against change, as he's highly OCD :lol: I agree with him that Madrid shouldn't be the "5th slam", but I don't mind that the schedule has been changed this year. Sometimes the game improves when traditions are discontinued. Other examples (like slowing down Wimbledon courts and getting rid of carept) aren't such good changes :lol:

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 10:23 PM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

Pretentious prick this Nadal.

«Ivan»
05-09-2009, 10:27 PM
I am man enough

:kiss:

Zaba
05-09-2009, 11:37 PM
Carpet is a traditional surface? :o

zagro
05-10-2009, 12:17 AM
Nadal seems very unhappy about having to play Madrid, maybe he has been pressured to play it, and he is not contributing to a successful launch of the tournament. Santana's body language during the press conference said it all. I wonder if, for once, Nadal will not give 100% on court.

rafa_maniac
05-10-2009, 12:49 AM
Nadal seems very unhappy about having to play Madrid, maybe he has been pressured to play it, and he is not contributing to a successful launch of the tournament. Santana's body language during the press conference said it all. I wonder if, for once, Nadal will not give 100% on court.

If only out of respect for the fans, he would never do that.

cocrcici
05-10-2009, 12:57 AM
Blue clay???:woohoo:

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 01:01 AM
Nadal seems very unhappy about having to play Madrid, maybe he has been pressured to play it, and he is not contributing to a successful launch of the tournament. Santana's body language during the press conference said it all. I wonder if, for once, Nadal will not give 100% on court.

yea he will get moody i think on court, fuck the damn madrid tournament is messing with his french open prep.

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 01:05 AM
Pretentious prick this Nadal.

in this world u have to look after urself 1st, nice guys finish last, u gotta be ruthless in this world to succeed.

Matt01
05-10-2009, 01:07 AM
Its true, he is a bit of a two face. I dont fall for his nice exterior. I think there is much more to him then his fanboys see. Remember how he called for fewer hard courts? :o


OMG :eek: How evil!!!!11

I agree there are clearly not enough harcourt tournaments already...:rolleyes:

Matt01
05-10-2009, 01:11 AM
Nadal seems very unhappy about having to play Madrid, maybe he has been pressured to play it, and he is not contributing to a successful launch of the tournament. Santana's body language during the press conference said it all. I wonder if, for once, Nadal will not give 100% on court.


Can't blame Nadal for that. Nadal likes traditions. This tournament is anything but tradition and destroyed other traditional tournaments. And I mean seriously, blue clay? :rolleyes: :retard:

Kiedis
05-10-2009, 02:47 AM
If Nadal cared that much about tradition, he should whine too about Wimbledon courts being slowed down
and carpet being extinguished from the tour as a surface. :)

Tradition only in my interest, no?

The guy has always been a selfish bastard. I just can't believe how people fall for his "I'm too nice
a piggy, full of altruism and innocence"-shtick

Never in doubt.

You must be awfully blind to think someone who thinks he's such a huge star nobody can give him time warnings and such is
altruist and selfless.

Its true, he is a bit of a two face. I dont fall for his nice exterior. I think there is much more
to him then his fanboys see. Remember how he called for fewer hard courts? :o

is he ever happy with anything unless he's winning it ?


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zagro
05-10-2009, 03:53 AM
Blue clay???:woohoo:

I like the idea too. :)

meihaditalab
05-10-2009, 03:56 AM
haha. Rafa is too jokes!!!

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 04:09 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jXaK6SvPGibWI9PMRcM1yEAEHdlg

Nadal fears Madrid effect on French Open hopes

MADRID (AFP) — Rafael Nadal believes his hopes of a fifth successive French Open title could be compromised by playing in Madrid's 500 metre altitude this week.

The world number one said Saturday that the new Madrid Masters is the wrong event as a lead-in to Roland Garros which begins in 15 days' time.

"The altitude is a serious problem so close to Paris. It would be better if Rome were the last event before Paris since the altitudes are similar," said the top seed.

Nadal also hit out at the dream of tournament boss Ion Tiriac, who has hopes of perhaps moulding this new, combined ATP and WTA event into a fifth major.

The combined prize money of 7.2 million euros already assures the biggest player payday outside of the Grand Slams.

"There are four Grand Slams, not five," said Nadal.

"Madrid is a great venue but tradition says there are only four majors. Madrid is great - but so are Rome and Monte Carlo."

The top seed also took a sideswipe at the practise court at the multi-million euro Caja Magica (Magic Box) venue which is using blue clay, a surface which also drew criticism from Roger Federer.

"Orange is the perfect colour, I'm totally against blue," said the world number one.

"The colour is historical, clay is red, not blue. Tennis not only is show-business, it has more value than that including history and tradition. Some things should just remain the same," said the Spaniard.

"The facilities here are good, but things are a little disorderly," he added of the huge complex which still resembles a building site.

"The bounce is complicated. I trained on Friday and had a lot of bad bounces on the courts."

so apart from all that rafa is happy :) he has a right to speak out, he is the clay court god, in his country's tournament, the world number 1 and the vice president of the ATP players council.

Lee
05-10-2009, 05:07 AM
Clearly Nadal is absolutely full of self doubt. Given that's he's always, throughout his entire career, demonstrated a complete lack of self esteem, this is the only logical conclusion. That the conditions do, in fact, blow, and he's merely making an observation would be an absurd conclusion to draw. Thank goodness nobody did that. Phew.

Poor Becca! So many new posters missed her sarcasm. :rolls:

desigundah
05-10-2009, 10:47 AM
an attempt at a better translation, still not perfect so don't flame me!

thanks for the translation bro. I could actually understand it!

vamosinator
05-10-2009, 10:51 AM
Nadal is the smartest player on tour his reasoning is flawless as we see here.

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 10:56 AM
Nadal is the smartest player on tour his reasoning is flawless as we see here.

definitely, thats why rafa always outsmarts federer.

vamosinator
05-10-2009, 11:11 AM
definitely, thats why rafa always outsmarts federer.

Yes I can see this to be true both on and off the court.

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 11:21 AM
Yes I can see this to be true both on and off the court.

is that u in ur avatar pic?

vamosinator
05-10-2009, 11:22 AM
Rihanna and Rafa I think :D Rihafa

heya
05-10-2009, 11:33 AM
Clear as the fogless Madrid sky, Federer is the great gentleman of clay tennis tournaments. He said so on US television (Tennis Channel)

JolánGagó
05-10-2009, 11:37 AM
trollfest.

bobbynorwich
05-10-2009, 03:13 PM
Geez, why didn't Tiriac go all the way and add some glitter dust to the blue clay? Really jazz it up so the players could run around the court being all bright and shimmery.

:rolleyes:

ORGASMATRON
05-10-2009, 03:47 PM
is that u in ur avatar pic?

:haha::haha::haha:

Not a chance thats theRAFA in the pic, the RAFA is most probably butt ugly :lol:

ORGASMATRON
05-10-2009, 03:51 PM
in this world u have to look after urself 1st, nice guys finish last, u gotta be ruthless in this world to succeed.

That is if you dont have any talent. Thanks for the article btw :)

yea he will get moody i think on court, fuck the damn madrid tournament is messing with his french open prep.

It seems so. It also seems like the nr 1 pressure is starting to get to him.

OMG :eek: How evil!!!!11

I agree there are clearly not enough harcourt tournaments already...:rolleyes:

Im gald you agree with me.

Raquel
05-10-2009, 04:22 PM
I like Nadal's honesty here. He's the number 1, in his home country, has a chance at this press conference to say what an amazing event to have in his country and how it would be great for Spain to have a "fifth grand slam" - and he says the complete opposite. Santana didn't look too thrilled. The altitude is the same for everyone and he'll likely have a week in Paris to get used to those conditions anyway so I don't think it's a huge issue. As for the blue clay? I don't like it much. Has someone ever said the reason they wanted it was for better visibility? Otherwise, I don't see the point in changing it.

bobbynorwich
05-10-2009, 04:29 PM
As for the blue clay? I don't like it much. Has someone ever said the reason they wanted it was for better visibility? Otherwise, I don't see the point in changing it.

Apparently, one of the sponsor's logo is blue, supposed to match that ---- as crazy as that sounds.


.

Raquel
05-10-2009, 04:33 PM
Apparently, one of the sponsor's logo is blue, supposed to match that ---- as crazy as that sounds.


.Actually with Tiriac owning this event, that doesn't sound so crazy ;)

anon57
05-10-2009, 05:02 PM
:tape:That blue clay really looks awful:help:

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foolish pleasure
05-10-2009, 07:32 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jXaK6SvPGibWI9PMRcM1yEAEHdlg

Nadal fears Madrid effect on French Open hopes

"The altitude is a serious problem so close to Paris. It would be better if Rome were the last event before Paris since the altitudes are similar," said the top seed.



this is a strange opinion--doing anything at altitude is harder for people who live primarily at sea level, but the effect is equal for all players. (unless one of them lives and practices primarily at altitude, of course, then that player has the advantage-- but that player would have the advantage at any altitude, because his red blood cell count would always be higher than the low-landers' red blood cell count).

plus the effect on the body of working out at altitude and then going back down to sea level is increased performance potential, not decreased (assuming that a week or two is long enough to have an effect on blood cell count--which i don't remember right now--if not, then it still wouldn't hurt one's performance potential, it would just have no effect). if two weeks is enough to raise the red blood cell count, then presumably nadal, as the fittest of the players already, will turn into superman--i would think he would like that prospect...

for anyone not familiar with altitude's effect on performance potential--one explanation for mine that bird's derby performance (assuming it was a fluke) is that his having trained at altitude in new mexico for a year gave him a red blood cell count advantage over the low-land horses. if so, he should come in dead last in the preakness since the benefits wear off about 2 weeks after coming back down to sea level.

other than not liking the color, does blue clay play any differently than red clay? (i prefer the blue hard courts to the green one's but i haven't seen the blue clay yet). if nadal was talking about the having to adjust so quickly to a different playing surface, rather than the altitude, it would make more sense to me (but then again, rome was never the last clay tournament before paris, hamburg--and its super slow clay was...so...i still don't get his gripe...).

anyway, IMHO since nadal refuses to honor any other traditions in tennis (not just playing style but time limits, attire etc.) it's pretty disingenuous of him to claim that the color of the court is sacrosanct...just sayin'...

dumdidum
05-10-2009, 07:43 PM
Uh...the higher altitude, thinner air increases the speed of the ball through the air

oliverbwfc
05-10-2009, 07:46 PM
I haven't seen it, but am I the only one who thinks it actually might look kinda nice :shrug:

w78dexon_y
05-10-2009, 07:48 PM
I gues blue court colour doesn't go along with Nadal's water bottles colour? IS there enough room for Rafa to lay out his water bottles? That could be a trouble.

foolish pleasure
05-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Uh...the higher altitude, thinner air increases the speed of the ball through the air

yeah and this fact has what effect on playing two weeks latter in paris?

Action Jackson
05-10-2009, 08:11 PM
Anyone who thinks Madrid's altitude is a serious problem is kidding themselves at best.

600m above sea level is not going to make a large amount of difference. For any significant difference in a tennis sense, there would need to be at least 1800m above sea level.

No, they aren't playing in Bogota, Quito, Medellin, Potosi, Johannesburg, Pretoria, Nairobi, Addis Ababa,Mexico City, La Paz, Llhasa or even Denver.

Burrow
05-10-2009, 08:58 PM
Rihanna and Rafa I think :D Rihafa

so he likes sloots who take photos of themselves naked, gentleman my arse.

dumdidum
05-10-2009, 08:59 PM
yeah and this fact has what effect on playing two weeks latter in paris?

Obviously the conditions in paris are different, he won't be used to the way the balls play, some time to adjust his game, etc. Doesn't matter if it's the same for everyone, fact is its not the best preparation.

Bazooka
05-10-2009, 09:04 PM
Robredo in his interview just trashed the tournament again, not only the blue clay, but as Nadal said, the facility is barely ready.

They should have finished it no less than 3 months before the tournament, and organized a Challenger or Future there. Instead they finished 3 days before the tournament and the nigh before there was a concert by Lenny Kravitz.

finishingmove
05-10-2009, 09:09 PM
Robredo in his interview just trashed the tournament again, not only the blue clay, but as Nadal said, the facility is barely ready.

They should have finished it no less than 3 months before the tournament, and organized a Challenger or Future there. Instead they finished 3 days before the tournament and the nigh before there was a concert by Lenny Kravitz.

even the djokovic family knows better than to call zdravko colic to hold a concert that close to the tournament.

*bunny*
05-10-2009, 09:13 PM
It was clear to me last year when Rafa vehemently opposed to downgrading of Monte Carlo and Hamburg that he was not particularly happy that there would be a claycourt Masters Series tournament in Madrid.

Subsequent conflicts beyween Spanish players and Pedro Munoz also hinted that the Spanish capital was not going to be a particularly happy hunting ground on clay for many Spaniards, not so much because of the altitude but more because of its link to Ion Tiriac.

I'm not surprised at Rafa's comment on the blue clay and the fifth slam. It made me smile to think that Tiriac must be fuming! :devil:
Well said, Rafa! :yeah:

Those gimmick model ballgirls aside, I actually liked that Spain had an indoor Masters serie event because it defied the stereotype that Spaniards only excelled on clay.

Har-Tru
05-10-2009, 09:20 PM
madrid organisers trying to beat Belgrado for worst tournament debut of the year

Sapeod
05-10-2009, 09:22 PM
madrid organisers trying to beat Belgrado for worst tournament debut of the year
WTF are you talking about. Johannesburg already won that prize.

Har-Tru
05-10-2009, 09:36 PM
WTF are you talking about. Johannesburg already won that prize.

what happened there? didn't follow that at all tbh. but Belgrado was pretty amateurish with the uncovered courts in the rain and the power failures and all...

ORGASMATRON
05-10-2009, 10:05 PM
Dunno what Nadal's complaining about, after all a high bounce only favours him.

NAdal is losing it, the pressure of being the hunted is getting to him.

ORGASMATRON
05-10-2009, 10:08 PM
WTF are you talking about. Johannesburg already won that prize.

You think?

Sapeod
05-10-2009, 10:22 PM
You think?
Hands down. Madrid can't be that bad :shrug:

Sapeod
05-10-2009, 10:24 PM
what happened there? didn't follow that at all tbh. but Belgrado was pretty amateurish with the uncovered courts in the rain and the power failures and all...
Vliegen was seeded 7th for it :o

ORGASMATRON
05-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Vliegen was seeded 7th for it :o

Its not about who plays, the tournament dont have much control over that far as i know and Monfils was injured. From what i know they did ok. But i wouldnt be surprised if it was the worst.

Har-Tru
05-10-2009, 10:51 PM
don't touch ruanz's south-african pride.

Bazooka
05-10-2009, 10:53 PM
NAdal is losing it, the pressure of being the hunted is getting to him.

No matter how many times you post that, it will not be true until he loses someday... Maybe I am wrong, but starting May with 1 slam and 3 AMS + Barcelona may be the best any player has done in modern tennis. If that's feeling the pressure, I don't know what he will do when he "gains a little confidence" ;)

w78dexon_y
05-10-2009, 10:56 PM
Anyone who thinks Madrid's altitude is a serious problem is kidding themselves at best.

600m above sea level is not going to make a large amount of difference.


the air is thinner, you know, and the ball traveles faster than on lower elevations. Since Rafa`s tune is very very fine, subtle, his shots are figured all out down to 10th of a milimeter - that would be the factor! :devil:

So, if Rafa didn`t win it he`s got two BIG excuses:

1. elevation
2. color

Action Jackson
05-11-2009, 05:00 AM
the air is thinner, you know, and the ball traveles faster than on lower elevations. Since Rafa`s tune is very very fine, subtle, his shots are figured all out down to 10th of a milimeter - that would be the factor! :devil:

So, if Rafa didn`t win it he`s got two BIG excuses:

1. elevation
2. color

Like I said 680m isn't enough to make a difference, he will aim what about 3mm shorter in the court than before.

bobbynorwich
05-11-2009, 09:27 PM
Apparently, the Majoricans in general and Nadals in particular more closely identify with Barcelona, where there's a big rivalry vs.Madrid. Nadal actually made some disparaging remarks about Madridians' personality (something about being cloying and grabby) compared to Barcelonians (warm and polite), so this tourney may already have a few strikes against it in his book.


Didn't the Serbia Open have just a few problems such as: brief power failure; missing rain tarps; denial of wildcard to Hewitt, Gaudio, and JC Ferrero in favor of unknown Serbs; and lack of many under 40 ranked players. The last problem is to be expected for any new tourney. Not bad considering they had to build the venue in 8 months or so. Were there other problems?

Har-Tru
05-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Apparently, the Majoricans in general and Nadals in particular more closely identify with Barcelona, where there's a big rivalry vs.Madrid. Nadal actually made some disparaging remarks about Madridians' personality (something about being cloying and grabby) compared to Barcelonians (warm and polite), so this tourney may already have a few strikes against it in his book.

I'll be brief.

what?

the graduate
05-11-2009, 11:21 PM
He should have skipped this event its not really necessary for him.

TennisViewer531
05-12-2009, 04:04 AM
It's a tournament in his country. It would be major disappointment for Spaniards if he misses this tourney.. He could use a lot of the prize money too :)

*bunny*
05-12-2009, 04:41 AM
Apparently, the Majoricans in general and Nadals in particular more closely identify with Barcelona, where there's a big rivalry vs.Madrid. Nadal actually made some disparaging remarks about Madridians' personality (something about being cloying and grabby) compared to Barcelonians (warm and polite), so this tourney may already have a few strikes against it in his book.


Didn't the Serbia Open have just a few problems such as: brief power failure; missing rain tarps; denial of wildcard to Hewitt, Gaudio, and JC Ferrero in favor of unknown Serbs; and lack of many under 40 ranked players. The last problem is to be expected for any new tourney. Not bad considering they had to build the venue in 8 months or so. Were there other problems?
Check your facts before posting.
Gaudio and Ferrero plyed in Estoril last week. They are former champions there and Ferrero didn't need WC in the end.

As for Madrid and Barcelona, I hear Majorcans and also Valancians are closer to Catalonians (whose central city is Barcelona) culturally and linguistically. Even if there is certain rivalry between the two cities, it's not just Rafa's issues.

vamosinator
05-12-2009, 04:51 AM
He should have skipped this event its not really necessary for him.

Nadal knows this event is poor timing, but Nadal is good, he knows he will disappoint Spanish people if he skips it. That is why he is taking out some anger on the organisers, he'd never take out this anger on the fans.

bobbynorwich
05-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Check your facts before posting.
Gaudio and Ferrero plyed in Estoril last week. They are former champions there and Ferrero didn't need WC in the end.



Check yours.



http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090430/Hewitt_misses_Belgrade_wildcard

4/30/09 11:52 PM | Johan Lindahl

Lleyton Hewitt's request for a wildcard entry has been knocked back at next week's new Serbia Open, with the free entry instead going to Cypriot Marcos Baghdatis.

The card instead went to Marcos Baghdatis, who beat Djokovic in the Australian Open fourth round in a match finishing well past midnight. Also missing out along with Hewitt (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Lleyton_Hewitt) were 2004 French Open champion Gaston Gaudio (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Gaston_Gaudio) and former world No. 1 Juan Carlos Ferrero.:wavey:

*bunny*
05-12-2009, 06:08 PM
Check yours.



http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20090430/Hewitt_misses_Belgrade_wildcard

4/30/09 11:52 PM | Johan Lindahl

Lleyton Hewitt's request for a wildcard entry has been knocked back at next week's new Serbia Open, with the free entry instead going to Cypriot Marcos Baghdatis.

The card instead went to Marcos Baghdatis, who beat Djokovic in the Australian Open fourth round in a match finishing well past midnight. Also missing out along with Hewitt (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Lleyton_Hewitt) were 2004 French Open champion Gaston Gaudio (http://www.tennistalk.com/en/player/profile/Gaston_Gaudio) and former world No. 1 Juan Carlos Ferrero.:wavey:
That story was written on April 30, shortly after WCs for Belgrade were announced.
But JCF had got WC to Estoril in mid-April. He might have asked WC to Belgrade too, but he didn't need it by the time WCs were announced in Serbia. (He didn't need the Estoril WC in the end either because there were some withdrawals and he got in the main draw.)
In Gaudio's case, it was reported on April 24 that he got WC to Belgrade, but he ended up playing in Estoril as a WC entrant. I don't know what happened, perhaped he opted to play the familiar tournament?
Also, Hewitt got WC to Munich in late April.
He might have asked WC to Belgrade too, but I don't know.

That site, Tennistalk.com, is not the most reliable tennis news site anyway IMHO.

Personally I have no problem that Serbian Open gave WC to young players in Serbia. Promoting tennis in its country is a tournament's important job.