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Will Federer ever beat Nadal again in a tennis match?

vamosinator
05-09-2009, 09:24 AM
Or will the gap only widen?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Qg6J04XZhR4/SEq3AiZQFWI/AAAAAAAABuE/RTJB6XCFYMU/s320/nadal+federer.jpg

sphiie
05-09-2009, 12:04 PM
you're opening many threads on Rafael this week!!!!
calm down lol

Mimi
05-09-2009, 12:13 PM
agreed;)
you're opening many threads on Rafael this week!!!!
calm down lol

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 12:19 PM
It's a good thing you added "again in a tennis match", otherwise you would have (accidentally of course) brought up an interesting debate. I see Roger waiting for Rafa in a dark alley, yeah.

rafa_maniac
05-09-2009, 12:22 PM
Tennis? No. Maybe badminton...

vamosinator
05-09-2009, 12:24 PM
No, I had to put 'tennis match' or else people would say 'maybe not in a grand slam but he will probably beat him in a non-slam' so I wanted to avoid that kind of dillydallying and simplify the issue for those with an awkward response style.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 12:26 PM
It's a good thing you added "again in a tennis match", otherwise you would have (accidentally of course) brought up an interesting debate. I see Roger waiting for Rafa in a dark alley, yeah.

:lol:

You open too many threads and post too little sense. No wonder people around here dont take you seriously.

Mimi
05-09-2009, 12:27 PM
the more nadal threads you created, the more the critics he got ...

my answer: yes. Nadal is leading in heads to heads at 13:6, not 30:0

pica_pica
05-09-2009, 12:30 PM
I think yes. The ratio will continue to increase in Nadal's favour but don't rule out Federer in any time they meet again. Remember, Roger lost in 5 sets both in Wimbledon and AO.

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 12:33 PM
No, I had to put 'tennis match' or else people would say 'maybe not in a grand slam but he will probably beat him in a non-slam' so I wanted to avoid that kind of dillydallying and simplify the issue for those with an awkward response style.

Go ahead and specify if Senior Tour is included.

But sorry, pointless thread. Open one again if both reach a non-clay final.

vamosinator
05-09-2009, 12:33 PM
Although by continuing to lose in 5 sets Federer is showing that he can't win a close match v Nadal because he isn't clutch. Sometimes it looks better if you lose in 4 rather than losing in 5. Losing in 5 shows either you don't have the stamina to stay with Nadal or you are a choker. If Federer's going to win he will probably do it in a short match where he dominates.

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Although by continuing to lose in 5 sets Federer is showing that he can't win a close match v Nadal because he isn't clutch. Sometimes it looks better if you lose in 4 rather than losing in 5. Losing in 5 shows either you don't have the stamina to stay with Nadal or you are a choker. If Federer's going to win he will probably do it in a short match where he dominates.

Um, no.

It's better to lose in five than to lose in four. Do you play tennis?

Burrow
05-09-2009, 04:52 PM
another pointless thread from the person who only talks nadal.

Jeu_Set_Match
05-09-2009, 05:41 PM
Thank you for the pictures of Nadal and Federer,OP. I wasn't sure about who they were with just the title.





Nice useless thread btw.

Roddickominator
05-09-2009, 05:47 PM
These guys are going to be playing each other until they're old men like John McEnroe and Pistol Pete....i'm sure Fed will take him down sometime.

Fed probably has a better chance far into the future, as Nadal's greatest asset(athletic ability) will be considerably worse.

Hopefully Nadal's legs aren't destroyed from his style of play at that point.

Sapeod
05-09-2009, 06:24 PM
Of course. At Wimbledon.

vamosinator
05-09-2009, 06:27 PM
Federer has proven he has a mental weakness with each 5 set loss (to Nadal). It's not a case of Nadal thrashing him, its bigger than that, its a case of Federer being incapable of getting over a mental hurdle. He really came unravelled mentally in that 6-2 fifth set.

It would be a big ask for Federer to turn this pattern around in their next 5th set. This is more powerful than if Nadal thrashed him in straight sets. This is why beating Federer in 5 sets is more convincing than beating him in 3 or 4. It is destroying him mentally.

Whereas in Wimbledon 1999 when Sampras beat Agassi in straight sets it didn't destroy Agassi mentally, he was just like 'too good', nothing worth crying over. And then Agassi beat Sampras in 5 in the Aust Open 2000 SF.

I think you'd have to play tennis to understand this, or play sport at least to see how a 5 set loss can be more damaging than a straight sets demolition.

ORGASMATRON
05-09-2009, 06:32 PM
Thank you for the pictures of Nadal and Federer,OP. I wasn't sure about who they were with just the title.





Nice useless thread btw.

And theRAFA keeps posting away shamelessly, even though hes been owned 10 times on one thread. Beyond help this theRAFA.

Sunset of Age
05-09-2009, 06:52 PM
Thank you for the pictures of Nadal and Federer,OP. I wasn't sure about who they were with just the title.

Nice useless thread btw.

:lol: :yeah:

Bazooka
05-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Fed probably has a better chance far into the future, as Nadal's greatest asset(athletic ability) will be considerably worse.


Nadal greatest asset is not athletic ability. There are other players equally fit on tour.

Roddickominator
05-09-2009, 09:31 PM
Nadal greatest asset is not athletic ability. There are other players equally fit on tour.

Eh...his mental toughness and athletic ability(endurance, pure speed, agility) are pretty equal IMO.

But I disagree about other players being as fit...if I had to pick one player to bust out with a 105 mph forehand at 19-17 in the 5th set at a slam....definitely Nadal. Same with running a marathon etc.

Either way it'll wane over the years, and will affect his game more than Fed's waning abilities will affect his game. Nadal should continue to improve his serve and attacking abilities a bit....but he'll never be as good as Federer in that area.

So 20 years from now Fed may finally beat Nadal again.

cocrcici
05-09-2009, 10:13 PM
Yes, once...

salut235
05-09-2009, 10:57 PM
The rivalry will end 20-7.

salut235
05-09-2009, 11:21 PM
"Federer is good player, no? He's greatest champion in history. He beat me many times again, no? But i play good i win too."

Nadal's answer on the question. As usual very humble & classy, but it will be very difficult for Federer to do it, he might win once more in a smaller tournament, but Nadal will win 90% of their upcoming matches...

Titi
05-09-2009, 11:26 PM
Nadal is the King now...

but Fed has a win left in him...I'll be backing him at Wimbledon!

Kiedis
05-09-2009, 11:34 PM
It's easier to happen in a 3 sets match than 5 sets match, at least the first time. I prefer to think this is a real possibility because this makes more attractive matches. Roger problem is he felt invincible for a long time and he is having a hard landing to the reality, but he will recover as soon as he assimilates the new situation.

Titi
05-09-2009, 11:48 PM
I agree to an extent Kiedis, but the one tournament Fed has a big chance is Wimbledon.Despite losing last year, a win here could still boost his confidence big time. If his big weapons are working he can win it I believe!

kingfederer
05-10-2009, 12:33 AM
therafa are u a girl or guy?

btw i agree with ur thread, its a good thread.

KostyaTszyu
05-10-2009, 04:54 AM
He will get him on grass or hard court at least once this year. Probably not much more after that.

w78dexon_y
05-10-2009, 05:13 AM
yes! If he uses his racket as the weapon, wait till Rafa turn his back on him, and beat a shit out of him.

freeandlonely
05-10-2009, 07:53 AM
Hopefully Nadal's legs aren't destroyed from his style of play at that point.

He playes his style, then he should be responsible to his legs.

TennisViewer531
05-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Yes, I'm pretty sure Fed can defeat Nadal again at some point...

Foxy
05-10-2009, 09:00 AM
These guys are going to be playing each other until they're old men like John McEnroe and Pistol Pete....i'm sure Fed will take him down sometime.

Fed probably has a better chance far into the future, as Nadal's greatest asset(athletic ability) will be considerably worse.

Hopefully Nadal's legs aren't destroyed from his style of play at that point.

Oh, yeah. When rog's athletic ability becomes better, as well as his serve and his back won't bother him that much. It is BS.

Roddickominator
05-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Oh, yeah. When rog's athletic ability becomes better, as well as his serve and his back won't bother him that much. It is BS.

Sampras can still serve lights out. Why won't Fed be able to down the road?

Obviously Nadal relies more on his physicality than Federer....that's why, when it declines(for both of them), it will be more of a hit to Nadal's game. What i'm saying is not rocket science.

salut235
05-10-2009, 11:24 AM
the way Nadal returns, standing so far behind the baseline and getting everything back, it makes federer's serve ineffective. Federer knows that nadal will return his serves which affects him mentally and the rest of his game, have you even been watching their matches??

Roddickominator
05-10-2009, 11:25 AM
the way Nadal returns, standing so far behind the baseline and getting everything back, it makes federer's serve ineffective. Federer knows that nadal will return his serves which affects him mentally and the rest of his game, have you even been watching their matches??

Nadal does that....because he knows he can run down any subsequent shots that Federer will hit. He won't always be able to do that....he'll have to be more aggressive against Fed's serve when they're old men.

salut235
05-10-2009, 11:28 AM
Nadal does that....because he knows he can run down any subsequent shots that Federer will hit. He won't always be able to do that....he'll have to be more aggressive against Fed's serve when they're old men.


by the time nadal becomes old and slow, federer would have long retired or would be past his prime... nadal is still very young and he'll be fine for the next few years while federer is still playing...

dark_ambient
05-10-2009, 11:43 AM
therafa are u a girl or guy?theRafa is I_mac's twin brother or sister. Nevertheless the answer you were looking for is no. The last meeting between these two will be at the score 65-6 for Nadal. They will play in some shite tourney in Asia for moneeeeeeeys and Rafito will edge it in a tie-break in the third set thus making it 66-6. Why? Because 666 is the number of the Beast(Rafito)!
Mods, please bend time and space thus sending this thread to medieval times and then crush it by throwing stones at it. Thanks!

Roddickominator
05-10-2009, 11:54 AM
by the time nadal becomes old and slow, federer would have long retired or would be past his prime... nadal is still very young and he'll be fine for the next few years while federer is still playing...

You're missing my original posts....I said that Fed will beat Nadal eventually when they're on the seniors circuit. Obviously right now Nadal has a massive advantage against Fed on every surface....Fed would have to have a rare moment of mental strength to go along with Rafa having a bad day to win right now.

FedFan
05-10-2009, 12:02 PM
On a hardcourt like the US Open absolutely yes! ;)

On an indoors hardcourt he has also a good chance.

What a thread again! It is not as if Nadal has ever dominated Federer on grass or hardcourt.

marcRD
05-10-2009, 12:03 PM
He faced him twice outside clay in grand slam finals and lost 2 matches where he had many oppurtunities to take the match. Well, if you go under the rule that Federer is declining and Nadal peaking it surely may seem like it is a difficult task.

However even Roddick won against Federer again last year, Roddick has only got 1-2 sets out of all their grand slam matches against each other (7 I think). Federer and Nadal go to 5 sets almost everytime outside clay, I would say that he could very well beat Nadal this year in Wimbledon and show to the world that he is the true king of grass, but he needs to get his serve working again for this to happen.

marcRD
05-10-2009, 12:05 PM
On a hardcourt like the US Open absolutely yes! ;)

On an indoors hardcourt he has also a good chance.

What a thread again! It is not as if Nadal has ever dominated Federer on grass or hardcourt.

Exactly, the matchup is bad but nothing like the Roddick-Federer matchup. If Roddick can defeat Federer, Federer could even defeat Nadal on clay if Nadal is tired and having a really bad day (that would not be in RG).

marcRD
05-18-2009, 01:35 AM
Time to bump this worthless bandwagoning thread made only one week ago with the question if Federer would EVER defeat Nadal again. Mostly I bump to gloat over my great prediction ofcourse, the voice of reason:


Exactly, the matchup is bad but nothing like the Roddick-Federer matchup. If Roddick can defeat Federer, Federer could even defeat Nadal on clay if Nadal is tired and having a really bad day (that would not be in RG).

TennisViewer531
05-18-2009, 01:45 AM
It's going to be all YES votes from hereon now... :)

Mimi
05-18-2009, 01:51 AM
if my memory is correct, I already told the thread starter not to be so confident, now he/she has jinxed rafa and make his/her thread looks silly :rolleyes:

Art&Soul
05-18-2009, 01:55 AM
This thread should be bumbed everytime Roger beats Nadull again:devil:

marcRD
05-18-2009, 02:02 AM
Note that almost 50% voted no, that is unbelivable. People have no idea about the ups and downs in tennis.

johnny_dhk
05-18-2009, 03:19 AM
Federina will never beat Rafa again as long as Nadal is not tired after playing for four hours and Federina himself has a cakewalk draw on a so called clay court which suits his game perfectly.

Sunset of Age
05-18-2009, 03:25 AM
Federina will never beat Rafa again as long as Nadal is not tired after playing for four hours and Federina himself has a cakewalk draw on a so called clay court which suits his game perfectly.


Ah, yeah. Every time Federer beats Nadal, it's because he's 'tired & injured', no?

And every time Federer endures a bad loss, I guess it's due to something completely different? Injuries, tiredness, diseases, all being 'lame excuses', eh?

How I HATE DOUBLE STANDARDS. :o

How I HATE TARDS :barf:

Mimi
05-18-2009, 03:35 AM
:help::banghead: please don't make excuses for rafa, a lost is a lost, give respect when it is due :wavey:

Federina will never beat Rafa again as long as Nadal is not tired after playing for four hours and Federina himself has a cakewalk draw on a so called clay court which suits his game perfectly.

CmonAussie
05-18-2009, 04:17 AM
Federina will never beat Rafa again as long as Nadal is not tired after playing for four hours and Federina himself has a cakewalk draw on a so called clay court which suits his game perfectly.


:eek::eek:
Is it Fed`s fault that Rafa took 4 hours to defeat Djoko in the semis:wavey:
...
BTW, Rafa only had to play 3 matches to reach the final [since he got a walkover in Rd.3], whereas Fed had to play 4 matches;)

Rafa`s 3 matches to reach the final took 7 sets [bye, 2, walkover, 2, 3]:
Fed`s 4 matches to reach the final took 9 sets [bye, 2, 2, 3, 2]:
...
Plus Federer had to play his semifinal after Rafa`s on the saturday, so less time to recover!

Just face the facts, Rafa had no excuses, Fed simply outplayed him this time, and stop being a knob:p

jmf07
05-18-2009, 04:31 AM
:eek::eek:
Is it Fed`s fault that Rafa took 4 hours to defeat Djoko in the semis:wavey:
...
BTW, Rafa only had to play 3 matches to reach the final [since he got a walkover in Rd.3], whereas Fed had to play 4 matches;)

Rafa`s 3 matches to reach the final took 7 sets [bye, 2, walkover, 2, 3]:
Fed`s 4 matches to reach the final took 9 sets [bye, 2, 2, 3, 2]:
...
Plus Federer had to play his semifinal after Rafa`s on the saturday, so less time to recover!

Just face the facts, Rafa had no excuses, Fed simply outplayed him this time, and stop being a knob:p


:rolleyes:

Did Federer play for four hours the day before? Reality is that it was showed that Rafa will beat Fed time and time again on clay but occasionally there will be times where Nadal will not be able to play well and he will get knocked off. IMO it was bad that Federer only won 64 64. Youzhny was able to beat Nadal 60 61 in last year's Chennai final after Nadal came off the three hour semi against Moya.

chowdahead25
05-18-2009, 04:38 AM
:rolleyes:

Did Federer play for four hours the day before? Reality is that it was showed that Rafa will beat Fed time and time again on clay but occasionally there will be times where Nadal will not be able to play well and he will get knocked off. IMO it was bad that Federer only won 64 64. Youzhny was able to beat Nadal 60 61 in last year's Chennai final after Nadal came off the three hour semi against Moya.

We are doubles partners and what not, but this is just retarded IMO.
6-4 6-4 is terrible, since Nadal has lost a whopping 3 out of his last 155 on clay.
Also since Federer has zero confidence, and no wins against top 4 in last 11 tries?
And Nadal was tired my ass, he got a freaking walkover. He is by far the fittest player on tour, so the Djoko match had zero effect.
Another thing is that Rafa was in his HOME COUNTRY. I mean come on guys. Think.
Also, as for the surface, it was still clay!
If it was more like hard or grass or w/e, Rafa hasnt had too much trouble beating Roger lately on those surfaces no?

Think before you type everyone. This isnt just at you J.

Get off Rafas nuts everyone, and show Roger some credit.

:p

jmf07
05-18-2009, 05:02 AM
We are doubles partners and what not, but this is just retarded IMO.
6-4 6-4 is terrible, since Nadal has lost a whopping 3 out of his last 155 on clay.
Also since Federer has zero confidence, and no wins against top 4 in last 11 tries?
And Nadal was tired my ass, he got a freaking walkover. He is by far the fittest player on tour, so the Djoko match had zero effect.
Another thing is that Rafa was in his HOME COUNTRY. I mean come on guys. Think.
Also, as for the surface, it was still clay!
If it was more like hard or grass or w/e, Rafa hasnt had too much trouble beating Roger lately on those surfaces no?

Think before you type everyone. This isnt just at you J.

Get off Rafas nuts everyone, and show Roger some credit.

:p

Yeah wrong choice of words but if I were Fed I wouldn't be drawing alot of confidence from it. The walkover means very little. It happened in the Round of 16 not the day before the final. It would have still been an easy cruise for Nadal anyway. Yes Nadal was playing in his home country but that probably would have also taken more out of him in that epic SF by pushing himself and being mtoivated from the crowd. And although it was on clay like I said remember the woeful performance he put up against Youzhny in Chennai last year. Although Nadal was poorer on Hardcourts last year and Youzhny was alot better than he is now a 60 61 loss was still very bad. The match against Djoko would have had a huge effect as well. When you consider the prep that went into the match, then the match itself and then the recovery and then he had to wake up and do it all again.

I am not a Nadaltard or whatever they are called :lol: but I don't think Roger should be overjoyed by his performance or anything. If it were Djokovic in his position I think Djokovic would have won convincingly. Fed produced a good effort to win the tournament but in terms of winning RG, I don't think Fed should draw too much from it except that if he continually shows up he can eventually beat Nadal if everything goes his way.

Fedex
05-18-2009, 05:31 AM
Gotta love all the excuses people are making to cover their own asses (for looking stupid).

theDreamer
05-18-2009, 06:49 AM
Yeah wrong choice of words but if I were Fed I wouldn't be drawing alot of confidence from it. The walkover means very little. It happened in the Round of 16 not the day before the final. It would have still been an easy cruise for Nadal anyway. Yes Nadal was playing in his home country but that probably would have also taken more out of him in that epic SF by pushing himself and being mtoivated from the crowd. And although it was on clay like I said remember the woeful performance he put up against Youzhny in Chennai last year. Although Nadal was poorer on Hardcourts last year and Youzhny was alot better than he is now a 60 61 loss was still very bad. The match against Djoko would have had a huge effect as well. When you consider the prep that went into the match, then the match itself and then the recovery and then he had to wake up and do it all again.

I am not a Nadaltard or whatever they are called :lol: but I don't think Roger should be overjoyed by his performance or anything. If it were Djokovic in his position I think Djokovic would have won convincingly. Fed produced a good effort to win the tournament but in terms of winning RG, I don't think Fed should draw too much from it except that if he continually shows up he can eventually beat Nadal if everything goes his way.

erm... glass half empty much?

While I wouldn't be now automatically confident that I can
now win RG beating Nadal in the final, there is very much to take from this match -
First, "beating Nadal on clay is not impossible" which is infinitely better than "will I ever beat Nadal again? I'm even losing to him on Grass and Hard courts now." - This, for me, a very competitive person, is enough for me to keep trying and trying hard.

2nd, If federer can beat him on clay, that should provide him more confidence going in to the rest of the non clay matches they will have this year.

3rd, his first top 4 win in a while. This should be a massive boost for him to go on and win a few more of his top 4 matches for the rest of the year.

So I do think he should "draw a lot of confidence from this match" and be "overjoyed with his performance". I mean, if you are low on confidence and can't draw a lot of confidence from beating Nadal on clay (no matter the circumstances), then what can you draw confidence from (when nadal plays perfect, and you still happen to win?:rolleyes: ok keep waiting then...)

FedFan_2007
05-18-2009, 07:03 AM
BTW, Roger himself said he doesn't read too much into this win so I don't get why the haters are all over him.