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Nadal is 33-12 against Federer, Murray and Djokovic

salut235
05-07-2009, 09:16 PM
13-6 against Federer
13-4 against Djokovic
7-2 against Murray

33-12 total against the other 3 top guys!

In a way, they are his bitches. I think it's time for some people here to realize that Nadal is at another level right now than ANYONE. Nobody can compete with him! He is too strong.

Collective
05-07-2009, 09:17 PM
Djokovic and Roger are so close to become his turkeys!!!!

Bazooka
05-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Nadal means "Christmas" in his native tongue.

Next obvious statement, please.

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 09:21 PM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Player_Profiles/ATP_Photo_Galleries/Tomas_Berdych/2007_02_21_berdych_12.jpg

scarecrows
05-07-2009, 09:23 PM
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg

pica_pica
05-07-2009, 09:25 PM
Obviously it's not Top 4. It's 1 + 3 + the rest.

Bazooka
05-07-2009, 09:26 PM
13-6 against Federer
13-4 against Djokovic
7-2 against Murray

33-12 total against the other 3 top guys!

In a way, they are his bitches. I think it's time for some people here to realize that Nadal is at another level right now than ANYONE. Nobody can compete with him! He is too strong.

Don't forget to tell us the hardcourt HtH of Nadal versus Djokovic, it's always good to remember who's boss in the most used surface in the ATP tour.

pica_pica
05-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Murray's h2h with Nadal isn't too bad yet only because he wasn't deep into many tournaments before and didn't have to meet him

Björki
05-07-2009, 09:34 PM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Player_Profiles/ATP_Photo_Galleries/Tomas_Berdych/2007_02_21_berdych_12.jpg

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg

:haha:

Chair Umpire
05-07-2009, 09:34 PM
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Clydey
05-07-2009, 09:35 PM
Murray's h2h with Nadal isn't too bad yet only because he wasn't deep into many tournaments before and didn't have to meet him

Murray's H2H with Nadal sucks because Nadal beat him 5 times when Murray was a shadow of the player he is now.

Ackms421
05-07-2009, 09:39 PM
Murray's H2H with Nadal sucks because Nadal beat him 5 times when Murray was a shadow of the player he is now.

And several times since too. ;)

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 09:39 PM
Nadal PWNS everyone and they should all retire and give him all the trophies already.

nadal il mito
05-07-2009, 09:39 PM
Murray's H2H with Nadal sucks because Nadal beat him 5 times when Murray was a shadow of the player he is now.

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

superslam77
05-07-2009, 09:41 PM
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg

:haha: :haha: :haha:

hate to say i told you so..alright!

Ackms421
05-07-2009, 09:41 PM
Don't forget to tell us the hardcourt HtH of Nadal versus Djokovic, it's always good to remember who's boss in the most used surface in the ATP tour.

Yes, 3-4 certainly is incredible. Especially when you look at Nadal's non-hard court record against Djokovic, 10-0.

If you are going to compartmentalize, you must compartmentalize thoroughly.

sphiie
05-07-2009, 09:43 PM
Wow... one men against three... that's Nadal who won the match :D

Bazooka
05-07-2009, 09:48 PM
Yes, 3-4 certainly is incredible. Especially when you look at Nadal's non-hard court record against Djokovic, 10-0.

If you are going to compartmentalize, you must compartmentalize thoroughly.

You are implying we should make sense in a thread like this???? :angel:

born_on_clay
06-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Historic warrior

MatchFederer
06-12-2009, 10:40 PM
Historic warrior

Careful with your choice of words... :aplot:

mitalidas
06-12-2009, 11:17 PM
That's pretty good evidence for dominating.

Let's see if the trend starts to reverse. I'll check back this time, next year.

bounccer
06-12-2009, 11:34 PM
Federer (14) = 2* {Nadal (6) + Djokovic (1) + Murray (0)}

Sorry

Hewitt had THE game which demolished Sampras (he won their four last meetings and lost only one set, in grass/hard/indoor), nevertheless Sampras is by far the best, same for Fed

sanpo
06-13-2009, 12:18 AM
Anyone care to post a head-to-head without the clay matches? :p Will just be interested how it turns out.

lina_seta
06-13-2009, 12:33 AM
everyone posting in this thread is a nadal fanboi =p
i know i know, after these harsh weeks you need something to hold on to.

Dini
06-13-2009, 12:36 AM
Anyone care to post a head-to-head without the clay matches? :p Will just be interested how it turns out.

5-4 Fed. I think. :unsure:

Fed: Miami 2005, TMC 2006, TMC 2007, Wimbly 06+07

Nadal: Dubai 2006, Wimbly 08, AO 09 and some other match that I can't remember off the top of my head. :o

Arkulari
06-13-2009, 12:42 AM
yep, it's 3-3 on hard and 2-1 on grass for Roger, so overall it is 5-4, you forgot Miami 2004 ;)

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 04:25 AM
Nadal's 2008 Olympic fast-hardcourt win over Djokovic, Nadal's 6-2 fifth set win over Federer AO, Nadal's 6-1 6-2 hardcourt win over Murray this year, these 3 matches all on Nadal's worst surface (and those players best surface) really indicate the growing gap between Nadal and the other top players:o

gjr
06-13-2009, 04:36 AM
Take away clay and it's much closer. The clay court season is important but not the major part of the season for most players.

Murray for example knows he'll get crushed by Nadal on clay but on the other surfaces he has a chance.

To show the true class of these players H2H only slams should be included.

Nadal still may have a good record but it's not the 33-12 from the OP

Jeu_Set_Match
06-13-2009, 05:17 AM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j30/obsceneblue/roflbot-9oEg.jpg

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 05:45 AM
Take away clay and it's much closer. The clay court season is important but not the major part of the season for most players.

Murray for example knows he'll get crushed by Nadal on clay but on the other surfaces he has a chance.

To show the true class of these players H2H only slams should be included.

Nadal still may have a good record but it's not the 33-12 from the OP

If you are looking to take away a whole surface in the head2heads why not just take away hardcourt and focus on clay and grass, they are the 2 most skill-required surfaces. Hardcourt is the 'in- between' surface that just about everyone on tour feels comfortable on. Versatility is more about clay and grass, hence Nadal being the first player since 1980 to win Wimbledon and RG in the same year, rare accomplishment:o

Either way, Nadal has the best hardcourt record in the world over the last 12 months, and his head2head vs those 3 guys continues getting better on hardcourts:o

R.Federer
06-13-2009, 06:26 AM
Federer has losing records against Nadal and Murray, and people still complain he has "no competition"!

TennisGrandSlam
06-13-2009, 07:16 AM
Federer has losing records against Nadal and Murray, and people still complain he has "no competition"!


Update : Rafa : Fedcow = 13 : 7 :devil:

FedFan_2007
06-13-2009, 07:31 AM
Frauderer is useless mug on clay :o

TennisGrandSlam
06-13-2009, 08:23 AM
http://www.jcjy.net/home/931004/20090604/1.jpg


We don't care H2H

We only concern if FED is Career Slam, now he does :devil:

Becker 25-10 Edberg, but who is greater? :worship: (of course Swede :cool: )

feuselino
06-13-2009, 08:45 AM
Take out the clay and it isn't that clear anymore (might still be positive though)...

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 10:20 AM
Federer has losing records against Nadal and Murray, and people still complain he has "no competition"!

Nobody is saying Federer has no competition now, he's not even ranked number one. The complaint of a lack of competition and a weak era was when Roddick was the main rival, and Hewitt:o

rwn
06-13-2009, 10:51 AM
... and he won only 6 slams in 4 years ???? What an underachiever. Imagine what the guy could have done if he was mentally as tough as Federer.

ballbasher101
06-13-2009, 11:04 AM
The key word is clay and I think everybody knows what I mean by that.

superslam77
06-13-2009, 11:36 AM
http://www.jcjy.net/home/931004/20090604/1.jpg


We don't care H2H

We only concern if FED is Career Slam, now he does :devil:

Becker 25-10 Edberg, but who is greater? :worship: (of course Swede :cool: )

Is that the translation???

superslam77
06-13-2009, 11:39 AM
Nobody is saying Federer has no competition now, he's not even ranked number one. The complaint of a lack of competition and a weak era was when Roddick was the main rival, and Hewitt:o

If Rafa does bad at Wimbledon or loses to Fed then he will lose the #1. The olympic points are coming off soon plus he has many points to defend + bad knee(So they say :rolleyes: )

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 11:53 AM
If Rafa does bad at Wimbledon or loses to Fed then he will lose the #1. The olympic points are coming off soon plus he has many points to defend + bad knee(So they say :rolleyes: )

Well you can always live in hope, since thats the only chance Federer has of being the best in the world :wavey: but as Andy Roddick said about his own tendinitis its not career threatening you can play with it forever, just like Venus/Serena Williams and Michael Jordan. I'd rather have tendinitis than Federer's brittle old back (a very likely retirement injury):o

green25814
06-13-2009, 12:22 PM
Well you can always live in hope, since thats the only chance Federer has of being the best in the world :wavey: but as Andy Roddick said about his own tendinitis its not career threatening you can play with it forever, just like Venus/Serena Williams and Michael Jordan. I'd rather have tendinitis than Federer's brittle old back (a very likely retirement injury):o

Doesnt matter if Fed retires or regains no1, he is already the GOAT anyway :lol:

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 02:01 PM
Doesnt matter if Fed retires or regains no1, he is already the GOAT anyway :lol:

Doesn't matter whether Federer is the "GOAT" or not, Nadal is the best player of the 21st century according to history as he continues to own Federer on grass and hardcourt (I won't say clay until next year) and continues to get better:o

Federerhingis
06-13-2009, 02:08 PM
Nadal's 2008 Olympic fast-hardcourt win over Djokovic, Nadal's 6-2 fifth set win over Federer AO, Nadal's 6-1 6-2 hardcourt win over Murray this year, these 3 matches all on Nadal's worst surface (and those players best surface) really indicate the growing gap between Nadal and the other top players:o

Murray is still not a great player on windy conditions and that day the conditions were atrocious. Federer has not been playing great tennis on Hard courts for about 26 months now, except at the US OPEN '08 (semis and finals) and at times at this years Aussie OPEN. Novak lost confindence after losing very close matches to Nadal especially the Queens match, his form in general and on hard courts has been very on and off the past 10-14 months.

Besides the courts where Nadal has beaten these players have been very slow hard courts overall. When he beats them at the US OPEN or at Cincinatti that would be another matter, and besides it's not like he's beating them everytime on a hard court. I sitll believe Novak and Andy are slight favorites everytime they play on hard courts especially if they are carrying good form against Nadal.

vamosinator
06-13-2009, 02:10 PM
Besides the courts where Nadal has beaten these players have been very slow hard courts overall. When he beats them at the US OPEN or at Cincinatti that would be another matter, and besides it's not like he's beating them everytime on a hard court. I sitll believe Novak and Andy are slight favorites everytime they play on hard courts especially if they are carrying good form against Nadal.

Nadal's defeat of Djokovic at the Olympics was on a hardcourt faster than Cincy and faster than US Open, if you cared to watch it:o

I wouldn't get my hopes up about Murray at the US Open, because the windiest conditions I've ever seen were at the US OPEN in the 5-setter QF between Federer and Agassi. Agassi would approach the seemingly easy ball to crush a forehand and then fall over just trying to get a racquet on it:o

BlueSwan
06-13-2009, 02:56 PM
Nadal's dominance over his main competition IS very impressive, so this post is not to take anything away from that, but here are the scores broken down.

Nadal vs Federer
Overall: 13-7
Clay: 9-2
No clay: 4-5

So without the clay this is very even. I'd argue that if Nadal hadn't gone into Roger's head through his many clay wins, Federer would have dominated Nadal outside of clay. He just doesn't seem himself when playing Nadal, even on fast low-bouncing surfaces where Nadals topsin forehand to Rogers backhand shouldn't be much of a problem.

Nadal vs Djokovic
Overall: 14-4
Clay: 9-0
No clay: 5-4

Outside of clay this is a pretty even rivalry.

Nadal vs Murray
Overall: 7-2
Clay: 2-0
No clay: 5-2

Outside of clay, Nadal still dominates even though many of those victories came before Murray found his peak game.

Nadal vs Federer/Djokovic/Murray
Overall: 34-13
Clay: 20-2
No clay: 14-11

Billabong
06-13-2009, 03:06 PM
Nadal's dominance over his main competition IS very impressive, so this post is not to take anything away from that, but here are the scores broken down.

Nadal vs Federer
Overall: 13-7
Clay: 9-2
No clay: 4-5

So without the clay this is very even. I'd argue that if Nadal hadn't gone into Roger's head through his many clay wins, Federer would have dominated Nadal outside of clay. He just doesn't seem himself when playing Nadal, even on fast low-bouncing surfaces where Nadals topsin forehand to Rogers backhand shouldn't be much of a problem.

Nadal vs Djokovic
Overall: 14-4
Clay: 9-0
No clay: 5-4

Outside of clay this is a pretty even rivalry.

Nadal vs Murray
Overall: 7-2
Clay: 2-0
No clay: 5-2

Outside of clay, Nadal still dominates even though many of those victories came before Murray found his peak game.

Nadal vs Federer/Djokovic/Murray
Overall: 34-13
Clay: 20-2
No clay: 14-11

I think this stat is much more interesting, clay is obviously a big part in those H2H..

denisgiann
06-13-2009, 06:22 PM
To cut a long story short....lets see nadal getting 3 slams in a year...and then we can talk about dominance;).

Federerhingis
06-13-2009, 06:26 PM
Nadal's defeat of Djokovic at the Olympics was on a hardcourt faster than Cincy and faster than US Open, if you cared to watch it:o

I wouldn't get my hopes up about Murray at the US Open, because the windiest conditions I've ever seen were at the US OPEN in the 5-setter QF between Federer and Agassi. Agassi would approach the seemingly easy ball to crush a forehand and then fall over just trying to get a racquet on it:o

I am not being wishful, I am just stating my opinion. I still believe Murray and Novak are better hard court players than Nadal. Nonetheless, Nadal still remains an amazing player, an amazing figther and a great champion, hence why he still beats players whose games are better equipped and suitable for the hardcourts.

What's my basis for this, the last time Nadal played against Novak on a hard court Novak won pretty comfortably and coincidentially it was on a fast court with very similar conditions to that on the US Open. Murray also happened to be the one to beat Nadal on the Semis at the US OPEN last year. Hence they are still a big challenge for Nadal to overcome on the faster hard courts of Cincinnati and the US OPEN. Both coincidentially have better return games and better serves than Nadal, therefore why the hard courts favor their games over Nadals.

Joao
06-13-2009, 08:44 PM
Doesn't matter whether Federer is the "GOAT" or not, Nadal is the best player of the 21st century according to history as he continues to own Federer on grass and hardcourt (I won't say clay until next year) and continues to get better:o

And according to that same history, the 21st century started in 2005 right? :rolleyes:
Greatness is not measured by H2H but by achievements and Nadal's are so far behind Federer's that it is insulting and kinda ignorant to even put him in the same sentence with Federer as of today ... wait a few more years and then make your analysis.

Ciarán.
06-14-2009, 01:19 AM
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg

Oh no :bigcry:

sawan66278
06-14-2009, 01:34 AM
I am not being wishful, I am just stating my opinion. I still believe Murray and Novak are better hard court players than Nadal. Nonetheless, Nadal still remains an amazing player, an amazing figther and a great champion, hence why he still beats players whose games are better equipped and suitable for the hardcourts.

What's my basis for this, the last time Nadal played against Novak on a hard court Novak won pretty comfortably and coincidentially it was on a fast court with very similar conditions to that on the US Open. Murray also happened to be the one to beat Nadal on the Semis at the US OPEN last year. Hence they are still a big challenge for Nadal to overcome on the faster hard courts of Cincinnati and the US OPEN. Both coincidentially have better return games and better serves than Nadal, therefore why the hard courts favor their games over Nadals.

Actually, Rafa beat Novak in Beijing...on hard courts that many claim were faster than the U.S. Open's.

vamosinator
06-14-2009, 02:38 AM
Nadal's dominance over his main competition IS very impressive, so this post is not to take anything away from that, but here are the scores broken down.

Nadal vs Federer
Overall: 13-7
Clay: 9-2
No clay: 4-5

So without the clay this is very even. I'd argue that if Nadal hadn't gone into Roger's head through his many clay wins, Federer would have dominated Nadal outside of clay. He just doesn't seem himself when playing Nadal, even on fast low-bouncing surfaces where Nadals topsin forehand to Rogers backhand shouldn't be much of a problem.

Nadal vs Djokovic
Overall: 14-4
Clay: 9-0
No clay: 5-4

Outside of clay this is a pretty even rivalry.

Nadal vs Murray
Overall: 7-2
Clay: 2-0
No clay: 5-2

Outside of clay, Nadal still dominates even though many of those victories came before Murray found his peak game.

Nadal vs Federer/Djokovic/Murray
Overall: 34-13
Clay: 20-2
No clay: 14-11

Nadal dominates Federer, Murray, Djokovic on clay whereas Federer, Murray, Djokovic don't dominate Nadal on hardcourt/grasscourt. So the gap is huge in the head2heads for that reason. If only Federer, Murray, Djokovic could be BEST IN THE WORLD at one surface then it'd be closer:o

FedFan_2007
06-14-2009, 03:01 AM
Nadal dominates Federer, Murray, Djokovic on clay whereas Federer, Murray, Djokovic don't dominate Nadal on hardcourt/grasscourt. So the gap is huge in the head2heads for that reason. If only Federer, Murray, Djokovic could be BEST IN THE WORLD at one surface then it'd be closer:o

Federer is the player of the 21st century with 14 slams in 5 years 11 months span. Your hapless bleatings to the contrary mean nothing.

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2009, 03:25 AM
Looks like someone has learnt to count! :worship:

FedFan_2007
06-14-2009, 03:54 AM
:rolleyes:

FedFan_2007
06-14-2009, 03:58 AM
Looks like someone has learnt to count! :worship:

Keep mocking termite.

GlennMirnyi
06-14-2009, 04:17 AM
Keep mocking termite.

Aaaaaw, you haven't learnt yet.

Don't worry, keep trying. You should learn it before you turn 40.

lessthanjake
06-14-2009, 05:25 AM
Beating someone head to head doesn't make one a better tennis player if you dont perform as well against everyone else. This is true of Nadal. Federer has 20 straight grand slam semis. He doesn't lose to scrubs on the big stage, basically. Nadal does occasionally.

vamosinator
06-14-2009, 05:37 AM
Beating someone head to head doesn't make one a better tennis player if you dont perform as well against everyone else. This is true of Nadal. Federer has 20 straight grand slam semis. He doesn't lose to scrubs on the big stage, basically. Nadal does occasionally.

Nadal is 33-12 against Federer, MURRAY and DJOKOVIC, so Federer has no special place in the head2heads, he is no different to Murray and Djokovic. In Nadal's world, Federer is just another statistic:o

theprodigy
06-14-2009, 06:38 AM
14>6
3 small slams>1 non-calendar year small slam
career grand slam>career small slam

if you think rafa will improve his record since he's still young, and i believe he will, then why don't you wait for it instead of jumping the gun? :rolleyes: right now all you're doing is blowing hot air :rolleyes:

best in 21st century my ass.