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Federer vs Murray wimbledon match

marcRD
05-07-2009, 12:24 AM
Maybe it is a bit early for grass, but then I dont find many topics on clay except which decade Nadal will be beatable on clay.

Anyway, Federer vs Murray on grass is very interesting. Federer seems to have problems finishing rallies against Murray on hardcourt and Murray can handle Federers slice as easy as brushing his teeth. On grass it would be different, even on the slow grass of wimbledon. But then Murray would have a brittish stadium go crazy, something which can turn against him aswell if he starts feel some Henman vibes. Anyway, I would like to know what you think of this matchup, would Federer in bad form be the favorite or would Murray hold the streak against Federer alive?

I really hope this matchup will come true in Wimbledon this year, I am quite sure Federer would get the job done and warm up nicely for Nadal in the final. What do you think.

habibko
05-07-2009, 12:46 AM
wow is clay really that boring or what?

I highly doubt Murray is going to make it to the semis or the final to meet Federer, but in case he does, you will witness a more brutal version of US Open 2008.

FlameOn
05-07-2009, 01:00 AM
I'd actually say Murray, especially if it goes to a deciding fifth-set. Fed's a mental midget in deciding sets lately.

marcRD
05-07-2009, 01:22 AM
I'd actually say Murray, especially if it goes to a deciding fifth-set. Fed's a mental midget in deciding sets lately.

I dont think it will go to a 5th set, in fact I doubt Murray would take any set at all. But Federer really, really must find his serve again before Wimbledon if he wants to feel comfortable against these young players.

marcRD
05-07-2009, 01:25 AM
wow is clay really that boring or what?


Clay is very uninteresting, Ill tell you that. Will Nadal win without losing a set? How many sets will Nadal lose? Which players can take a set from Nadal?

It can be fun, I enjoyed the 2 matches between Djokovic and Nadal but ultimately I have nothing to discuss about these matches.

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 01:37 AM
Murray still has a lot to prove against big players at the slams. If this match-up were to happen, it could be another anti-climax whereby Murray gets flattened, but of course due to their head-to-head it's an intriguing one that a lot would want to see. Federer in four, I think.

Johnny Groove
05-07-2009, 01:43 AM
Never too early for grass season.

In this matchup, Federer's definitely got the edge. Federer in 4 would probably be the favorite at the books. We'll see how Murray handles the pressure.

rocketassist
05-07-2009, 01:43 AM
Yes, clay really is that boring.

luie
05-07-2009, 02:19 AM
wow is clay really that boring or what?

I highly doubt Murray is going to make it to the semis or the final to meet Federer, but in case he does, you will witness a more brutal version of US Open 2008.
Maybe but then he could choke like he has been doing recently.:o.If you remember gasquet choked away a 2 sets lead to murray because the british crowd was behind him.Anyway I'am not looking forward to this match.:(

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 02:28 AM
Grass and the fact that its a grand slam best out of 5 would make Fed the fave.

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 02:29 AM
wow is clay really that boring or what?

I highly doubt Murray is going to make it to the semis or the final to meet Federer, but in case he does, you will witness a more brutal version of US Open 2008.

Who asked your racist opinion?

habibko
05-07-2009, 02:36 AM
Who asked your racist opinion?

keep it up :yeah: I'll be glad to deliver another ban to you :D

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 02:41 AM
keep it up :yeah: I'll be glad to deliver another ban to you :D

No you keep it up! Im already reporting you and your mod to the proper authorities. This racist hating has to stop once an for all on online forums. Mods and posters who sit behind their computers think they can hide and therefor act out their hateful fantasies. This stops right here!

Priam
05-07-2009, 03:29 AM
Fed in 3 or 4 me thinks. I am still not convinced of Murray's prowess on grass.

LEGENDOFTENNIS
05-07-2009, 11:25 AM
Federer in 4. He's got a great grass court game.

sphiie
05-07-2009, 11:33 AM
Federer by far!!!

Action Jackson
05-07-2009, 11:36 AM
Fuck people are impatient.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 12:47 PM
Verty difficult to say. Murray has improved overall since last year's Wimbledon and I wouldn't rule out an appearance in the final. The only player I would put a lot of money on Murray losing to on grass is Nadal. Murray's tactics against Federer will be the same on grass as they are on hard. He'll just pound Federer's backhand and extract errors. I'm not sure how Federer can stop that pattern from occurring.

Federer moves better than Murray on grass, but he looks completely out of sorts. Would you really put good money on Federer beating Murray on any surface given his current mental problems?

Clydey
05-07-2009, 12:49 PM
Murray still has a lot to prove against big players at the slams. If this match-up were to happen, it could be another anti-climax whereby Murray gets flattened, but of course due to their head-to-head it's an intriguing one that a lot would want to see. Federer in four, I think.

Murray has a lot to prove against big players at the slams because he lost one match to Federer? Loving the mileage people seem to be getting out of a solitary defeat.

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 12:57 PM
Murray has a lot to prove against big players at the slams because he lost one match to Federer? Loving the mileage people seem to be getting out of a solitary defeat.

mooray is a mug with no talent.

marcRD
05-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Verty difficult to say. Murray has improved overall since last year's Wimbledon and I wouldn't rule out an appearance in the final. The only player I would put a lot of money on Murray losing to on grass is Nadal. Murray's tactics against Federer will be the same on grass as they are on hard. He'll just pound Federer's backhand and extract errors. I'm not sure how Federer can stop that pattern from occurring.

Federer moves better than Murray on grass, but he looks completely out of sorts. Would you really put good money on Federer beating Murray on any surface given his current mental problems?

I really belive Federer can slice his way out of almost any trouble (except maybe Nadal) with his backhand on grass and yes I would put money on Federer beating Murray even on clay and definetly on grass in a grand slam. I would put money on Murray if they would face each other in Australian open but in Usopen I must say it is would be kind of even between them today.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 01:04 PM
I really belive Federer can slice his way out of almost any trouble (except maybe Nadal) with his backhand on grass and yes I would put money on Federer beating Murray even on clay and definetly on grass in a grand slam. I would put money on Murray if they would face each other in Australian open but in Usopen I must say it is would be kind of even between them today.

Unless he plans on slicing constantly, I don't see it. I actually think Federer is more likely to beat Murray on clay because the surface is so much slower. I think he'd find it easier to run around his backhand. Murray has more patience than Federer, so I don't expect Fed to keep slicing. Also, I've always been of the opinion that Federer is too proud to ever concede that his backhand isn't good enough. He continues to go for it even when it's a liability.

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 01:14 PM
mooray might like grass, mooray's love eating grass.

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 01:26 PM
mooray is a mug with no talent.

Rat-faced, skirt-wearing, moonballing mug no?

habibko
05-07-2009, 02:42 PM
Would you really put good money on Federer beating Murray on any surface given his current mental problems?

in a slam? most definitely!

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 02:46 PM
in a slam? most definitely!

He didnt mean v-money.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 03:02 PM
I believe and want to believe that Federer will bring out his best self at the slams. So Federer in straights.

habibko
05-07-2009, 03:04 PM
I believe and want to believe that Federer will bring out his best self at the slams. So Federer in straights.

he always did :yeah: :)

Doomach777
05-07-2009, 03:12 PM
fedex in 3!

Beforehand
05-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Roger actually hits the backhand from lower quite well, so I think he'd do just fine with it most of the time. At least well enough that it wouldn't be like some of the atrocities he does on a hardcourt.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 03:32 PM
he always did :yeah: :)

That's why I have no reasons to believe he won't again. :) But it is true that he hasn't been seen so rattled and shaky in non-slam tournaments since he started his winning spree, so the question remains. I do believe that, every time Roger suffers another discouraging loss recently, there's a voice inside of him that goes "Wimbledon, Wimbledon, Wimbledon...".

Sapeod
05-07-2009, 03:35 PM
Murray. It'll be hard none the less but Murray in 5 sets, or maybe even 4? :shrug:

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 03:36 PM
Murray has a lot to prove against big players at the slams because he lost one match to Federer? Loving the mileage people seem to be getting out of a solitary defeat.

No no no no no no no.

Murray has had two pretty ignominious defeats to big players at the slams: v. Federer at the USO '08, and v. Nadal at Wimbledon '08. Whatever legitimate reasons he may have had for not playing his best, he didn't come close to hurting them in those matches. But moreover, he has not made enough deep runs in slams to get to face any of Djoko, Fed, or Nadal regularly, so there is a shortage of evidence to support how he'd fare against them. As such, he is unproven against them at the uppermost reaches of the game across several grand slams because he simply hasn't faced them often enough in the biggest situations. But this is about grass anyway, where we've seen the other 3 of the big 4 do very well. Djoko was excellent in Queens final, and Federer and Nadal bring out the best in each other at SW19. Murray has done nothing to show us that he is at their level on grass.

pica_pica
05-07-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm not underestimating Murray's talent but his grand slam history is really not too good yet. One final and one QF. And how will he play right in front of his home crowd when he becomes a favorite? I'd say he has better chance at USO this year.

Serenidad
05-07-2009, 05:45 PM
Murray with his current second serve would lose. All the time in the world for Federer to spank it with his FH just like USO. Murray might take a set, but I doubt he will win.

rocketassist
05-07-2009, 05:47 PM
No no no no no no no.

Murray has had two pretty ignominious defeats to big players at the slams: v. Federer at the USO '08, and v. Nadal at Wimbledon '08. Whatever legitimate reasons he may have had for not playing his best, he didn't come close to hurting them in those matches. But moreover, he has not made enough deep runs in slams to get to face any of Djoko, Fed, or Nadal regularly, so there is a shortage of evidence to support how he'd fare against them. As such, he is unproven against them at the uppermost reaches of the game across several grand slams because he simply hasn't faced them often enough in the biggest situations. But this is about grass anyway, where we've seen the other 3 of the big 4 do very well. Djoko was excellent in Queens final, and Federer and Nadal bring out the best in each other at SW19. Murray has done nothing to show us that he is at their level on grass.

He has still outplayed Rafito in a best of 5 match.

Sunset of Age
05-07-2009, 05:53 PM
That's why I have no reasons to believe he won't again. :) But it is true that he hasn't been seen so rattled and shaky in non-slam tournaments since he started his winning spree, so the question remains. I do believe that, every time Roger suffers another discouraging loss recently, there's a voice inside of him that goes "Wimbledon, Wimbledon, Wimbledon...".

Good point, there - I hope this pressure I think he'll be putting on himself won't get him into trouble. Anyways, the key will be his serve, if he manages to get it working consistently again, he'll still be the favourite. At least imho.

Horatio Caine
05-07-2009, 06:02 PM
While the topic is interesting, part of me always hates such a thread because sometimes the match-up doesn't materialise as soon as people hope/think. Only once chance for these two to clash on grass in any season (unless they change their future schedules), and that's at Wimbledon...and, of course, if they are put in opposite halves of the draw, the chances aren't particularly high that they will meet. :shrug:

But, anyway, to answer the question...I'd still give Federer an edge on this surface, until Muzza truly proves that he can move effectively on it. Federer may be going through a decline (by his standards), but he is still top 2 on grass, and should also hold an edge over Nole until proven otherwise. But, as poster(s) say, Fed needs to rediscover his serve pretty quick if he isn't to put himself under unnecessary strain...and, these days, he doesn't cope so well under pressure anymore. :shrug:

zlaja777
05-07-2009, 06:25 PM
Roger in 3 easily.

green25814
05-07-2009, 06:52 PM
I have more faith in Murray than Federer these days. I'd have to pick Murray purely of that. Kinda sad.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 06:56 PM
No no no no no no no.

Murray has had two pretty ignominious defeats to big players at the slams: v. Federer at the USO '08, and v. Nadal at Wimbledon '08. Whatever legitimate reasons he may have had for not playing his best, he didn't come close to hurting them in those matches. But moreover, he has not made enough deep runs in slams to get to face any of Djoko, Fed, or Nadal regularly, so there is a shortage of evidence to support how he'd fare against them. As such, he is unproven against them at the uppermost reaches of the game across several grand slams because he simply hasn't faced them often enough in the biggest situations. But this is about grass anyway, where we've seen the other 3 of the big 4 do very well. Djoko was excellent in Queens final, and Federer and Nadal bring out the best in each other at SW19. Murray has done nothing to show us that he is at their level on grass.

I think Nadal in the semis of the USO is a pretty big test.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:01 PM
I think Nadal in the semis of the USO is a pretty big test.

If we accept that Murray was ill at the AO against Verdasco, then we can't ignore the fact that Nadal was exhausted at the USO.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:04 PM
If we accept that Murray was ill at the AO against Verdasco, then we can't ignore the fact that Nadal was exhausted at the USO.

Tiredness is not the same as an illness. Tiredness did not stop Nadal from practicing, nor did it keep him in bed all day.

Fatigue is merely an excuse people come up with when they have nothing else. People even put Nadal's loss to Del Potro down to tiredness.

It's just not the same as an illness, so why pretend that it is?

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:05 PM
Anyways, the key will be his serve, if he manages to get it working consistently again, he'll still be the favourite. At least imho.

For the sake of tennis, I hope you're right, but even if Roger actually brings it on at Wimby, serving well and playing with confidence, and reaches the final to face Nadal... well, let's say I honestly think he can't beat Nadal anymore in a Slam.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Tiredness is not the same as an illness. Tiredness did not stop Nadal from practicing, nor did it keep him in bed all day.

Fatigue is merely an excuse people come up with when they have nothing else. People even put Nadal's loss to Del Potro down to tiredness.

It's just not the same as an illness, so why pretend that it is?

1- Murray did not look to me like he was ill or impeded at all during his match with Verdasco. Not saying that he wasn't.

2- Fatigue, illness, serious personal problems... all variants of the same thing: hindrance to produce one's best game.

3- Are you actually suggesting that Nadal used fatigue as an excuse for his loss against Murray? Wasn't it evident enough? Not to mention he'd been saying he was at 50% of his physical best since weeks before the USO even started. And no, that's not one of his usual "excuses".

habibko
05-07-2009, 07:11 PM
I think Nadal in the semis of the USO is a pretty big test.

freaking HC GOAT Ferrer beat Nadal in USO, he was never a real force there, that is in no way a proof of Murray's GS worth.

how he fared against Federer in the final and Nadal at Wimbledon last year, now that's the test where he failed.

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 07:14 PM
nadal would have wasted mooray at the us open, in the 4th set nadal was a break up and had a chance for double break. rafa is a more talented player in every aspect, those passing shots and offensive shots from defensive positions are quite unreal from rafa. mooray is yet to beat a fit rafa, as in rotterdam rafa got a set off mooray with 1 leg and in abu dhabi rafa nearly won coming offa 3 month break. rafa would much rather face mooray than faker and fed.

Commander Data
05-07-2009, 07:14 PM
If Fed loses to Murray in Wimbledon I truely think that might be the end. I would say he is the strong fav though

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:20 PM
1- Murray did not look to me like he was ill or impeded at all during his match with Verdasco. Not saying that he wasn't.

2- Fatigue, illness, serious personal problems... all variants of the same thing: hindrance to produce one's best game.

3- Are you actually suggesting that Nadal used fatigue as an excuse for his loss against Murray? Wasn't it evident enough? Not to mention he'd been saying he was at 50% of his physical best since weeks before the USO even started. And no, that's not one of his usual "excuses".

No, fatigue and illness are not variants of the same thing. They each affect performance, but to different degrees. A broken toenail and a broken leg both hinder someone's performance, but they are not variants of the same thing. Fatigue does not stop you from practicing, nor does it keep you in bed on antibiotics. A virus (suspected to be mono at one point) is much more serious. Nadal could practice and do everything he normally does to prepare, assuming he was exhausted. Murray literally couldn't do anything between matches at the AO. It's up to you whether you think it hindered him, but do you really think that he was operating at full capacity when he got out of bed to play a match and then went straight back to bed, with no preparation?

The same excuse is wheeled out every time Nadal loses. It is always fatigue. It makes you think that he should really work on his physical conditioning. The guy always seems to be exhausted.

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 07:25 PM
there is no way mooray deserves to belong in the federer and nadal league, they are too consistent year after year for mooray.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:26 PM
freaking HC GOAT Ferrer beat Nadal in USO, he was never a real force there, that is in no way a proof of Murray's GS worth.

how he fared against Federer in the final and Nadal at Wimbledon last year, now that's the test where he failed.

Nadal's knees were screwed when he lost to Ferrer. Everyone knows that.

Besides, we're not talking about the same Nadal. The Nadal of 2008 was far superior to the Nadal of 2007 on hard courts. He won a hard court GS less than 6 months after his loss to Murray.

I don't buy the whole "Fed brings his A game to the slams" line. He almost lost to Andreev. What happened to his A game there? He almost lost to Berdych. What happened to his A game there? You guys talk like grand slam tennis is a completely different sport. It's the same sport played over 5 sets. When Federer smashed his racquet against Djokovic, it pretty much debunked the "he doesn't try in the MS events" argument.

Federer will not go in as favourite against Murray if they meet at the US Open, no matter how tightly people cling to that one result.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:27 PM
there is no way mooray deserves to belong in the federer and nadal league, they are too consistent year after year for mooray.

Is "Mooray" supposed to some sort of subtle insult? I don't get the reference, unless you are inexplicably likening him to a cow.

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 07:27 PM
if mooray beats roger at wimby, that will be a crime against humanity. mooray is all hype by the british media.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:29 PM
No, fatigue and illness are not variants of the same thing. They each affect performance, but to different degrees. A broken toenail and a broken leg both hinder someone's performance, but they are not variants of the same thing. Fatigue does not stop you from practicing, nor does it keep you in bed on antibiotics. A virus (suspected to be mono at one point) is much more serious. Nadal could practice and do everything he normally does to prepare, assuming he was exhausted. Murray literally couldn't do anything between matches at the AO. It's up to you whether you think it hindered him, but do you really think that he was operating at full capacity when he got out of bed to play a match and then went straight back to bed, with no preparation?

The same excuse is wheeled out every time Nadal loses. It is always fatigue. It makes you think that he should really work on his physical conditioning. The guy always seems to be exhausted.

You're too clever for me mate. I just watched those matches and... what'd I tell ya, it didn't seem to me like Murray was more hindered than Nadal. As a matter of fact, they both could have perfectly won those matches had things gone their way.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:35 PM
You're too clever for me mate. I just watched those matches and... what'd I tell ya, it didn't seem to me like Murray was more hindered than Nadal. As a matter of fact, they both could have perfectly won those matches had things gone their way.

Well, Murray was ill and couldn't practice. Presumably you don't think that had any effect.

I have those matches, too. I can give you a blow by blow of the USO semi, in particular. I didn't see any evidence of Nadal struggling. He played a poor first two sets, but he played well in sets 3 and 4. He simply got outplayed.

habibko
05-07-2009, 07:40 PM
You're too clever for me mate. I just watched those matches and... what'd I tell ya, it didn't seem to me like Murray was more hindered than Nadal. As a matter of fact, they both could have perfectly won those matches had things gone their way.

very true, we all saw it that way :)

kingfederer
05-07-2009, 07:41 PM
Nadal's knees were screwed when he lost to Ferrer. Everyone knows that.

Besides, we're not talking about the same Nadal. The Nadal of 2008 was far superior to the Nadal of 2007 on hard courts. He won a hard court GS less than 6 months after his loss to Murray.

I don't buy the whole "Fed brings his A game to the slams" line. He almost lost to Andreev. What happened to his A game there? He almost lost to Berdych. What happened to his A game there? You guys talk like grand slam tennis is a completely different sport. It's the same sport played over 5 sets. When Federer smashed his racquet against Djokovic, it pretty much debunked the "he doesn't try in the MS events" argument.

Federer will not go in as favourite against Murray if they meet at the US Open, no matter how tightly people cling to that one result.

in a best of 5 sets match usually the better player wins, federer is way better than mooray. mooray has to rely on out of form and tired or injured federer and nadal to beat them. mooray is a scavenger, he profits from the problems of others, right place right time kinda guy. most of mooray's titles are MM.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:41 PM
Well, Murray was ill and couldn't practice. Presumably you don't think that had any effect.

I have those matches, too. I can give you a blow by blow of the USO semi, in particular. I didn't see any evidence of Nadal struggling. He played a poor first two sets, but he played well in sets 3 and 4. He simply got outplayed.

Again, I said I didn't see Murray struggling so much, not that he wasn't. You know what? Forget it. Don't know why I started a Murray discussion with you.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:43 PM
very true, we all saw it that way :)

By "all" you mean who? I don't recall there being any consensus. :shrug:

nadal il mito
05-07-2009, 07:43 PM
if murray will be on the side of federer at wimbledon andy will reach the final.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:45 PM
Again, I said I didn't see Murray struggling so much, not that he wasn't. You know what? Forget it. Don't know why I started a Murray discussion with you.

That's fair enough. The implication seemed to be that he wasn't struggling just because you didn't see it.

And please don't act the victim just because I don't agree with you. It takes two to argue, so don't pretend that I am simply being stubborn while you are the picture of open-mindedness.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:46 PM
in a best of 5 sets match usually the better player wins, federer is way better than mooray. mooray has to rely on out of form and tired or injured federer and nadal to beat them. mooray is a scavenger, he profits from the problems of others, right place right time kinda guy. most of mooray's titles are MM.

Wow, the tour must be having a lot of problems lately, what with Murray's recent success. They all came down with a case of swine flu?

habibko
05-07-2009, 07:46 PM
By "all" you mean who? I don't recall there being any consensus. :shrug:

I was going to exclude you, but I just knew you would save me the trouble ;)

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:47 PM
I was going to exclude you, but I just knew you would save me the trouble ;)

I sort of doubt I'm the only one who thinks that Murray simply outplayed Rafa at the USO. He did the same thing in 2007, but he couldn't sustain it.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:47 PM
It takes two to argue

There you go.

amonb
05-07-2009, 07:49 PM
Federer by far!!!No... Murray by far!!!

Clydey
05-07-2009, 07:50 PM
There you go.

:shrug:

nadal il mito
05-07-2009, 07:51 PM
who will win then will lose with rafa in 4 set in final.

amonb
05-07-2009, 07:52 PM
I sort of doubt I'm the only one who thinks that Murray simply outplayed Rafa at the USO. He did the same thing in 2007, but he couldn't sustain it. No-one can simply outplay anyone these days.... there is always an underlying reason.... you should know that by now!!!!!

habibko
05-07-2009, 07:54 PM
No-one can simply outplay anyone these days.... there is always an underlying reason.... you should know that by now!!!!!

yep, for example inexperience goes as an excuse these days :help:

amonb
05-07-2009, 07:56 PM
in a best of 5 sets match usually the better player wins, federer is way better than mooray. mooray has to rely on out of form and tired or injured federer and nadal to beat them. mooray is a scavenger, he profits from the problems of others, right place right time kinda guy. most of mooray's titles are MM.All murray does is expose Fed for the mug he really is!!! He was dominating in a mug era... you know.... right place right time kinda guy!!!! :wavey:

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:57 PM
:shrug:

You said it takes two to argue, and I don't feel like it. That leaves one, you, who seem to have everlasting batteries when it comes to talking about Muzza.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 08:00 PM
All murray does is expose Fed for the mug he really is!!! He was dominating in a mug era... you know.... right place right time kinda guy!!!! :wavey:

How exactly does Murray expose Federer? By getting his arse handed to him in a slam final?

Bah nevermind. Don't know why I even bother...

Clydey
05-07-2009, 08:03 PM
How exactly does Murray expose Federer? By getting his arse handed to him in a slam final?

Bah nevermind. Don't know why I even bother...

By beating him 6 out of the last 7 times.

I don't know why you bother either.

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 08:03 PM
As fun as it is to talk about Nadal's somewhat ungracious excuse-making when he lost at the USO, it might help to return to the thread topic. The OP was interested in how Murray would fare on grass against Federer. The Scot's undoubtedly one of the best hardcourt players around, but when has he proven likewise on grass? His QF appearance at SW19 was the result of admirable hard endeavour and refusal to give up, but when all was said and done he didn't show us much that Fed, Nadal, or even Djoko need have sleepless nights about.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 08:04 PM
You said it takes two to argue, and I don't feel like it. That leaves one, you, who seem to have everlasting batteries when it comes to talking about Muzza.

I have "everlasting batteries" no matter what I'm arguing about. If you think I'm bad here, you should see me when I come across as a creationist.

amonb
05-07-2009, 08:04 PM
How exactly does Murray expose Federer? By getting his arse handed to him in a slam final?

Bah nevermind. Don't know why I even bother...I can picture now in two years time when murray is about 15-2 in h2h you'll still be saying......

Clydey
05-07-2009, 08:05 PM
As fun as it is to talk about Nadal's somewhat ungracious excuse-making when he lost at the USO, it might help to return to the thread topic. The OP was interested in how Murray would fare on grass against Federer. The Scot's undoubtedly one of the best hardcourt players around, but when has he proven likewise on grass? His QF appearance at SW19 was the result of admirable hard endeavour and refusal to give up, but when all was said and done he didn't show us much that Fed, Nadal, or even Djoko need have sleepless nights about.

I wouldn't put Djokovic in that company, to be honest. The first two are fair enough, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if Murray was due to face Nole on grass.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 08:07 PM
By beating him 6 out of the last 7 times.

And losing in the one that really counted.


I'm done here btw.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 08:09 PM
I have "everlasting batteries" no matter what I'm arguing about. If you think I'm bad here, you should see me when I come across as a creationist.

Good for you. I mean it. :)

Clydey
05-07-2009, 08:11 PM
I'm done here btw.

So you keep saying.

Third time lucky?

green25814
05-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Is "Mooray" supposed to some sort of subtle insult? I don't get the reference, unless you are inexplicably likening him to a cow.

Best not to feed the troll man.

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 08:12 PM
I wouldn't put Djokovic in that company, to be honest. The first two are fair enough, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if Murray was due to face Nole on grass.

He passed the litmus test in the Queens final in so far as he tested Nadal, and wasn't far off winning. Likewise in 2007 when he had Nadal on the ropes in the Wimbledon semi, though I'm not sure how much the end result was due to Rafa's improved play and how much can be attributed to the blister 'injury'.

Yes, the Serb still looks uncomfortable at times on grass and could be said to be an unknown quantity in terms of consistency, but his grass peaks have far exceeded Murray's so far.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 08:14 PM
So you keep saying.

Third time lucky?

The attraction is too strong.

Make it four.

nastoff
05-07-2009, 08:16 PM
Federer would still get the nod in my book for this year ( probably in 4 ) but at his present fragile state ANYTHING is possible. A lot will depend on Murray, apart from the USO he hasn't proved himself in any other of the slams yet.
By Wimbledon 2010 the situation will probably be much different as Federer finds himself on the edge of the top 10 and Murray steadily where he is right now.

Clydey
05-07-2009, 08:16 PM
He passed the litmus test in the Queens final in so far as he tested Nadal, and wasn't far off winning. Likewise in 2007 when he had Nadal on the ropes in the Wimbledon semi, though I'm not sure how much the end result was due to Rafa's improved play and how much can be attributed to the blister 'injury'.

Yes, the Serb still looks uncomfortable at times on grass and could be said to be an unknown quantity in terms of consistency, but his grass peaks have far exceeded Murray's so far.

Well, Murray's 2007 grass season was wrecked by the wrist injury and he had to pull out of Queens in 2008. I'd say Djokovic has had a few more opportunities.

yellowboy906
05-07-2009, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't put Djokovic in that company, to be honest. The first two are fair enough, but I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if Murray was due to face Nole on grass.

i think you underestimated djokovic. he might have trouble with his fitness but he has lots of talent. imo, i think djoker when on has the game to hit federer and nadal off the court. murray will be more consistent but i think djokovic will be more dangerous for fed and nadal. i think djoko just have to work harder instead of partying with safin.

BaselineSmash
05-07-2009, 08:26 PM
Well, Murray's 2007 grass season was wrecked by the wrist injury and he had to pull out of Queens in 2008. I'd say Djokovic has had a few more opportunities.

Roll on Wimbledon '09, then.

ORGASMATRON
05-07-2009, 09:07 PM
there is no way mooray deserves to belong in the federer and nadal league, they are too consistent year after year for mooray.

nadal would have wasted mooray at the us open, in the 4th set nadal was a break up and had a chance for double break. rafa is a more talented player in every aspect, those passing shots and offensive shots from defensive positions are quite unreal from rafa. mooray is yet to beat a fit rafa, as in rotterdam rafa got a set off mooray with 1 leg and in abu dhabi rafa nearly won coming offa 3 month break. rafa would much rather face mooray than faker and fed.

in a best of 5 sets match usually the better player wins, federer is way better than mooray. mooray has to rely on out of form and tired or injured federer and nadal to beat them. mooray is a scavenger, he profits from the problems of others, right place right time kinda guy. most of mooray's titles are MM.

Lol. Kinda like faker this mooray it seems.

Aurora
05-07-2009, 10:50 PM
It's a tantalizing matchup I'd like to see more of in slams.
2 good points have been covered in this thread: can Murray do the same he's done in master tournaments? USO final last year didn't deliver, the highlight for Murray was his semi against Nadal.
and lastly: how good is Murray on grass?

Of course this year the theme: is Federer going to break down in a slam?
We can talk about the RG thrashing last year or the disappointing losses in Wimbledon and AO, but he still made the final and made 2 of them awfully close to the finish line.

Can't wait to see the future unfold... :bounce:

luie
05-07-2009, 11:50 PM
Murray has a lot to prove against big players at the slams because he lost one match to Federer? Loving the mileage people seem to be getting out of a solitary defeat.
I totally agree Verdasco is not a big name player.

marcRD
05-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Nadal has fatigue as an excuse for all his loses in usopen, Youzhny, Ferrer, Murray...

Maybe it is true, but the trend is that hardcourt causes fatigue for Nadal, atleast in best of 5 format.

luie
05-08-2009, 12:00 AM
I can picture now in two years time when murray is about 15-2 in h2h you'll still be saying......
If its slams included in the 15 you have a point if no slams then the said point still holds true.

kingfederer
05-08-2009, 01:10 AM
faker and mooray arent even close to the champions rafa and roger are. roger and rafa have set new standards in terms of level of tennis and behaviour on and off court. i hope either rafa or roger can dominate a few more years before they stop, and then i will stop watching the sport until a player with similar class and champion quality comes along after these 2 legends. because it will be a sad day when either of roger and rafa retires and i will have a few tears in my eyes, because both of them have given unforgettable memories over the years that i will never forget.

Bazooka
05-08-2009, 01:17 AM
Murray won't overcome the pressure of playing at home. And Fed is the best grasscourter ever, if he can still hold together even a little, he should smoke anyone but Rafa in grass.