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Madrid surface

Bazooka
05-05-2009, 11:54 AM
I have talked to a few people that just played in some of the exterior courts.

According to them, they're pretty slow and low bounce, not like Rome, more like Hamburg. They say, it's probably because of the high humidity of the river and the artificial lake and channels surrounding the complex. Temperature is a few degrees colder than the average in the city.

Anyone else has some info?

cocrcici
05-05-2009, 12:08 PM
So Rafa-Nole like Hamburg 2008:woohoo:

ToniTennis
05-05-2009, 12:51 PM
So Rafa-Nole like Hamburg 2008:woohoo:

Wow, I didn't think it that way, cool :cool:.

Bazooka
05-05-2009, 12:55 PM
So Rafa-Nole like Hamburg 2008:woohoo:

And good for Roger too. :angel:

Nadal_Fanatic
05-05-2009, 05:03 PM
I'm surprised they picked a slow and low bouncing surface. That type of clay is least favorite to Rafa but we'll see what happens. Rafa is usually tired by the time he gets to Hamburg.

kingfederer
05-05-2009, 05:11 PM
if its not high bouncing then rafa should skip it in protest and tell madrid organisers to change surface to suit his game or he wont play. just pay the fine. all surfaces should change to suit rafa's game, because rafa is tennis and tennis is rafa. even us open need to change to suit rafa's game, everyone should bend over to rafa. they should feel privileged to be in the same court as lord rafa.

Nadal_Fanatic
05-05-2009, 07:31 PM
if its not high bouncing then rafa should skip it in protest and tell madrid organisers to change surface to suit his game or he wont play. just pay the fine. all surfaces should change to suit rafa's game, because rafa is tennis and tennis is rafa. even us open need to change to suit rafa's game, everyone should bend over to rafa. they should feel privileged to be in the same court as lord rafa.
Not what I'm saying. It's in Spain so you would think they would cater to Nadal. Similar to what most countries do for their top player. lol

GlennMirnyi
05-05-2009, 08:04 PM
:zzz:

Who cares?

dusk
05-05-2009, 08:20 PM
:zzz:

Who cares?

I do.

Thanks Bazooka.

Fumus
05-05-2009, 08:26 PM
Surface could be slower than molasses...it won't matter the balls will be traveling through the air faster than lightening due the elevation.

Har-Tru
05-05-2009, 08:39 PM
Not that I'm questioning Bazooka's sources, but I would be extremely surprised if the surface isn't more similar to Monte-carlo than Rome.

Bazooka
05-05-2009, 10:06 PM
Not that I'm questioning Bazooka's sources, but I would be extremely surprised if the surface isn't more similar to Monte-carlo than Rome.

You may very well be right, after all I know nothing of the inner courts which will hold the real tournament. However the humidity thing makes sense, the whole complex is adjacent to Manzanares river.

About altitude, well, I am not an expert but I think the effect is overrated. As a player I suck but never could find any difference between Madrid and the coast :shrug:

NyGeL
05-06-2009, 04:21 AM
I thought the slower, better for Rafa. That's why he suck on carpet.

Har-Tru
05-06-2009, 04:32 AM
I thought the slower, better for Rafa. That's why he suck on carpet.

On what carpet?

Nadal_Fanatic
05-06-2009, 05:03 AM
I thought the slower, better for Rafa. That's why he suck on carpet.
Carpet is very low bouncing. Nadal likes higher bouncing surfaces. But he still prefers slow over fast.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 05:24 AM
Surface could be slower than molasses...it won't matter the balls will be traveling through the air faster than lightening due the elevation.

Love your work man, you are a funny guy.

I didn't know Madrid was Llhasa.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 06:34 AM
think of something a bit faster(just a bit) than the bullfighting venue-custom made courts used for the SF of DC in Madrid last year ;)

it's more like Hamburg, still faster than MC but slower than Rome ;)

BTW: if you think Madrid is high, try playing in a clay court in Bogotá (2600m) ;)

kingfederer
05-06-2009, 06:35 AM
who told those idiots in madrid to play at altitude? they never asked rafa? fuck them. everytime rafa gets screwed, he never gets surfaces that suit his game. the tennis world is anti-rafa, pure racism due to being spanish.

guptaji
05-06-2009, 06:46 AM
who told those idiots in madrid to play at altitude? they never asked rafa? fuck them. everytime rafa gets screwed, he never gets surfaces that suit his game. the tennis world is anti-rafa, pure racism due to being spanish.

Sarcasm without irony or wit is a failed attempt at sarcasm -- just so you know.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 06:50 AM
:retard:
yeah, change Madrid's altitude, it's so easy :retard:
BTW: when people are discriminated by NATIONALITY, it's called XENOPHOBY, not RACISM :retard:
and Rafa isn't being discriminated, no player can choose the venue unless it's DC :rolleyes:

guptaji
05-06-2009, 06:52 AM
:zzz:

Who cares?

Sleepy again? Wanna read MTF dictionary? That seems to wake you up.

kingfederer
05-06-2009, 06:52 AM
rafa is always getting anti-rafa surfaces.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 06:55 AM
http://www.mixx.org/SaveThePlanetKillYourself.jpg

guptaji
05-06-2009, 06:56 AM
rafa is always getting anti-rafa surfaces.

I don't get it. Why do you say that? Are you trying to be funny by implying that Rafa is always clearly getting his favorite surface? Because that's not true either.. right?

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 06:57 AM
guptaji, just give up on him :lol:

kingfederer
05-06-2009, 06:57 AM
http://www.mixx.org/SaveThePlanetKillYourself.jpg

mods this is personal abuse, and promoting violent murder. im a very peaceful person.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 06:59 AM
"Personal Abuse"

says the person who calls others "glennmug" and "linkmug" :retard:

BACK ON TOPIC...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4325/plantanv1.jpg

the render:

http://www.cool-tennis.com/COOL-Tennis/Fotos/Caja%20Magica/cm2.jpg

Manolo Santana Central Court:

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Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 07:02 AM
I don't get it. Why do you say that? Are you trying to be funny by implying that Rafa is always clearly getting his favorite surface? Because that's not true either.. right?

You really don't get it, do you?

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 07:07 AM
Court #2 will be named after Arantxa Sánchez Vicario, the other courts building has 12 clay courts, 2 HC and 2 Grass Courts ;)

BTW: our dear DON Tiriac has 33 children, but only three are legally his own :eek:

http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/20112008/47/tiriac-33-hijos-tres-oficiales.html

guptaji
05-06-2009, 07:13 AM
You really don't get it, do you?

Depends on what it is. Stupid humor? No, I don't get it. But you do. And that's good for you.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 07:50 AM
Depends on what it is. Stupid humor? No, I don't get it. But you do. And that's good for you.

Hahahaha, you really are lacking a clue. I will spell it out for you, anything that kingfederer posts can't be taken seriously, once you get that, then it becomes clear.

Bazooka
05-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Hahahaha, you really are lacking a clue. I will spell it out for you, anything that kingfederer posts can't be taken seriously, once you get that, then it becomes clear.

One of these days we have to make a census of all the Rafatards with "Federer" or "Fed" in their usernames. I keep confusing one turncoat with another, not sure if they are just a one-mind collective or what. Looks like Federer mind is weakened, but still strong compared to the identity crisis of his fanbase.

Har-Tru
05-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Court #2 will be named after Arantxa Sánchez Vicario, the other courts building has 12 clay courts, 2 HC and 2 Grass Courts ;)

Say what?

Bazooka
05-06-2009, 03:02 PM
Say what?

I heard that too, but not there yet.

I hope it's not artificial, tried it once and never again.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 03:09 PM
Court #2 will be named after Arantxa Sánchez Vicario, the other courts building has 12 clay courts, 2 HC and 2 Grass Courts ;)

BTW: our dear DON Tiriac has 33 children, but only three are legally his own :eek:

http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/20112008/47/tiriac-33-hijos-tres-oficiales.html

Well at least Dalai Tiriac is laundering his money to sporting facilities, wonder how much of it, is out of his own pocket, but no matter what happens, it can have all the swankiest facilities and the like, but it's still behind Barcelona.

Surprised he didn't name the court after himself.

Har-Tru
05-06-2009, 03:20 PM
I heard that too, but not there yet.

I hope it's not artificial, tried it once and never again.

Artificial grass is like playing on synthetic clay but without the granules, which amounts to about three broken ankles per match.

Bazooka
05-06-2009, 03:48 PM
Artificial grass is like playing on synthetic clay but without the granules, which amounts to about three broken ankles per match.


Yeah, my sorry butt was pained in places I didn't even know that existed.

Arkulari
05-06-2009, 03:57 PM
well, I don't think it is like the AELTC, so... :eek:

JolánGagó
05-06-2009, 03:59 PM
33 children ffs :o

Fumus
05-06-2009, 04:02 PM
Love your work man, you are a funny guy.

I didn't know Madrid was Llhasa.

It's not even near being the highest city in Europe. I should have said with the new Penn balls they are using in Madrid it will be playing faster than an ice rink, that would have been more believable. Trolling is an art form, than you for helping me perfect mine.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 04:26 PM
It's not even near being the highest city in Europe. I should have said with the new Penn balls they are using in Madrid it will be playing faster than an ice rink, that would have been more believable. Trolling is an art form, than you for helping me perfect mine.

It's the highest capital city in Europe. Are they using Penn balls? That could be lead to some interesting things. I mean they could play 6 layers of clay down as the top surface, but they won't need to adjust the margins that much.

Not a problem.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 04:27 PM
Artificial grass is as bad as anchovy on pizza.

ToniTennis
05-06-2009, 04:45 PM
Artificial grass is as bad as anchovy on pizza.

How dare you?

OK, you are 50 % right, though. I've never played on that kind of material, but my brother used to play field hockey which is actually very well suited for artificial grass. I remember stepping on it and thinking "good thing nobody will ever make a tennis court out of this stuff". Guess I was wrong.

StanisKing
05-06-2009, 05:23 PM
Court #2 will be named after Arantxa Sánchez Vicario, the other courts building has 12 clay courts, 2 HC and 2 Grass Courts ;)

BTW: our dear DON Tiriac has 33 children, but only three are legally his own :eek:

http://es.eurosport.yahoo.com/20112008/47/tiriac-33-hijos-tres-oficiales.html

Tiriac without glasses = RON JEREMY :)

Fumus
05-06-2009, 06:13 PM
It's the highest capital city in Europe. Are they using Penn balls? That could be lead to some interesting things. I mean they could play 6 layers of clay down as the top surface, but they won't need to adjust the margins that much.

Not a problem.

Oohh the highest Capital. I was gonna say I thought the highest city was in Switzerland ...I remember seeing that on TV one time.

The balls? Master series (or whatever they called) always use Penn. No difference in the balls in from place to place.

Each tournement outside the masters, as well as the grand slams use other balls.

Anyways, this is all BS anyways because I was trying to be stupid pretend like this tournement was going to be playing significantly different than anything else. Which it's not. Sadly, in my opinion...hard court is hard court, grass is grass, clay is clay. The best players best suited to those surfaces win. I think too much is made these days about how things are playing and how much stuff is on top of the court...it's all bla bla to me. How one type of court plays to next on the same surface are just excuses for players to hide behind.

Action Jackson
05-06-2009, 06:14 PM
How dare you?

OK, you are 50 % right, though. I've never played on that kind of material, but my brother used to play field hockey which is actually very well suited for artificial grass. I remember stepping on it and thinking "good thing nobody will ever make a tennis court out of this stuff". Guess I was wrong.

For field hockey, yes it's the best surface and they water the shit. The one they play tennis on isn't like this at all.

Nadal_Fanatic
05-11-2009, 08:51 PM
I have talked to a few people that just played in some of the exterior courts.

According to them, they're pretty slow and low bounce, not like Rome, more like Hamburg. They say, it's probably because of the high humidity of the river and the artificial lake and channels surrounding the complex. Temperature is a few degrees colder than the average in the city.

Anyone else has some info?
Looks like you're wrong. This is very fast conditions and the bounce is pretty high as well.

Har-Tru
05-11-2009, 09:28 PM
I was going to bump this thread myself.

These are by far the fastest clay courts I have ever seen in Spain. And it has only little to do with the altitude. The bounce is VERY low, no idea why. Hell, I have the feeling this is the fastest AMS of the year so far!