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Madrid Masters - WWW?

FedFan_2007
05-04-2009, 11:22 PM
Obviously it's Spain, clay = Rafa gets Masters shield #16. Who can doubt him? :worship::worship::worship:

tennishero
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
these threads just keep getting better..

Pfloyd
05-04-2009, 11:32 PM
NaDULLLLLLLLLL

FlameOn
05-04-2009, 11:39 PM
Nadal seems to be improving every year, and I think the last couple of years he's had an earlier exit at at least one clay lead-up. He should probably win this one but it won't surprise me if he doesn't.

FedFan_2007
05-04-2009, 11:43 PM
Nadal seems to be improving every year, and I think the last couple of years he's had an earlier exit at at least one clay lead-up. He should probably win this one but it won't surprise me if he doesn't.

Wrong. Only at

2008 Rome - 2R

Sapeod
05-04-2009, 11:44 PM
Murray or Federer or Djokovic or Davydenko or Del Potro or any of the other top 400 players, just not Nadal please :tape:

FedFan_2007
05-04-2009, 11:45 PM
Murray or Federer or Djokovic or Davydenko or Del Potro or any of the other top 400 players, just not Nadal please :tape:

RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA

:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:

Imagine how much worse for you it will be in the next 3-4 years as Rafa wins almost everything, usually beating Andy along the way? :devil::devil::devil:

Pfloyd
05-04-2009, 11:46 PM
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA

:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:

Imagine how much worse for you it will be in the next 3-4 years as Rafa wins almost everything, usually beating Andy along the way? :devil::devil::devil:

Man, change your name to RafaFan_2009.

But then you'll have to buy membership to change your name to MurrayFan_2011....

Just warnin' ya'

marcRD
05-05-2009, 01:23 AM
The altitude in Madrid could make things a little bit different, could it not?

I remember Sam Querrey taking a set from Nadal....

Maybe Djokovicwill have his greatest shot against Nadal in Nadals own homeground, or is this wishful thinking from me?

A final between Djokovic and Federer would be nice.

Har-Tru
05-05-2009, 01:29 AM
I think altitude will be compensated with home support and the slower clay.

heartbroken
05-05-2009, 01:36 AM
I'll go with Nadal to win Madrid, and the sun to rise in the East. Although I'm not 100% sure about one of these two things, I have been reassured that the sun will probably keep rising in the near future. :D

fast_clay
05-05-2009, 01:40 AM
rafa.... the rafa rafa'd rafa.... rafa rafa rafa, rafa the raffing rafa... :worship: :speakles: rafa'd rafa rafa rafa the rafa... :yeah: **** rafa

Sapeod
05-05-2009, 02:06 AM
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA
RAFA RAFA

:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:

Imagine how much worse for you it will be in the next 3-4 years as Rafa wins almost everything, usually beating Andy along the way? :devil::devil::devil:
He won't be winning a lot on hard, but on clay I admit, he's unbeatable ATM :sad:

Johnny Groove
05-05-2009, 02:08 AM
With a week's rest? I think we all know what's going to happen.

finishingmove
05-05-2009, 02:11 AM
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Clay Death
05-05-2009, 02:14 AM
He won't be winning a lot on hard, but on clay I admit, he's unbeatable ATM :sad:

he does well enough on hard courts admiral sapeod. for instance, he supports the best record of all the players on hard courts in 2008.

in 2009 so far, he has--in his back pocket--2 of the 3 biggest tournaments on hard courts so far.

in any case, its all about clay right now. i dont think he is that sharp at the moment but it is not stopping him from taking the important clay events.

if he takes roland garros and wimby again, it doesnt really matter what happens on hard courts later this year as far as i am concerned.

pocketing 75% of the slams is no easy matter. i would call that a job well done for 2009.

Sapeod
05-05-2009, 02:19 AM
he does well enough on hard courts admiral sapeod. for instance, he supports the best record of all the players on hard courts in 2008.

in 2009 so far, he has--in his back pocket--2 of the 3 biggest tournaments on hard courts so far.

in any case, its all about clay right now. i dont think he is that sharp at the moment but it is not stopping him from taking the important clay events.

if he takes roland garros and wimby again, it doesnt really matter what happens on hard courts later this year as far as i am concerned.

pocketing 75% of the slams is no easy matter. i would call that a job well done for 2009.
Yeah. If he wins Wimby and Roland Garros then he's made for this year. I think like a lot of the other years he'll become more worn put by the US Open.

Clay Death
05-05-2009, 02:29 AM
Yeah. If he wins Wimby and Roland Garros then he's made for this year. I think like a lot of the other years he'll become more worn put by the US Open.


affirmative. u.s. open is more tricky for him. he is just one man. just look at the record he is piling on right now.

its insane to think that he wont be spent by the time he gets to flushing meadow. he has to figure out a way to back off a little. play fewer tournaments and practice more is the right formula for him going forward.

and remember that in tennis, mental fatigue weighs more than physical fatigue.

philosophicalarf
05-05-2009, 03:07 AM
I think altitude will be compensated with home support and the slower clay.

Depends how they've balanced things really. Munich is at a slightly lower altitude (450m vs 650m I think), and some years plays like a fast hard court (last year the number of breaks/set was more than Paris indoors hard).

HattonWBA
05-05-2009, 06:44 AM
Nadal. Nuff Said

ToniTennis
05-05-2009, 07:26 AM
Soderling will come back with a vengeance.

Mark my words.

sphiie
05-05-2009, 07:34 AM
Why do the altitude of the court can badly affect Rafael ?

ToniTennis
05-05-2009, 07:57 AM
Why do the altitude of the court can badly affect Rafael ?

More altitude means less air in the atmosphere, hence the ball goes faster, which doesn´t suit Rafa's game the best. Having said this, however, 600 m (Madrid's altitude) is not that excessive and Nadal played quite proficiently there at the DC semifinals against USA team.

It's clay after all. Rome's courts were also supposed to play faster, but we all know what happened anyway.

sphiie
05-05-2009, 08:03 AM
More altitude means less air in the atmosphere, hence the ball goes faster, which doesn´t suit Rafa's game the best. Having said this, however, 600 m (Madrid's altitude) is not that excessive and Nadal played quite proficiently there at the DC semifinals against USA team.

It's clay after all. Rome's courts were also supposed to play faster, but we all know what happened anyway.

Ohhh ok! thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that... but if he won all of his matches for the Davis cup on high altitude, it does mean that he has a great chance to win at Madrid too no? ;)

Action Jackson
05-05-2009, 08:10 AM
600m is not high altitude.

ToniTennis
05-05-2009, 08:11 AM
Ohhh ok! thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that... but if he won all of his matches for the Davis cup on high altitude, it does mean that he has a great chance to win at Madrid too no? ;)

Yup, just like I said, considering Madrid to be at a high altitude is imo an overexaggeration. It's not like it would be Mexico DF or Bolivia.

00923
05-05-2009, 08:17 AM
Uhh...I'll wait until I see the draw.

federernadalfan
05-05-2009, 11:07 AM
rafa for sure, no

Har-Tru
05-05-2009, 12:27 PM
Ohhh ok! thanks for the explanation. I didn't know that... but if he won all of his matches for the Davis cup on high altitude, it does mean that he has a great chance to win at Madrid too no? ;)

Sam Querrey took a set off him.

But yes, he'll win if he wants to.

christallh24
05-05-2009, 01:25 PM
Uhh...I'll wait until I see the draw.

Me, too. I want for Rafa to win.

philosophicalarf
05-05-2009, 01:39 PM
600m is not high altitude.

The really high altitude (Bogota 3.6km!) play with atp cert. high altitude balls, so they're not remotely comparable. However even 500m makes a noticeable difference - check the pace of Beck's forehands today in Munich compared to how he was in Monte Carlo. At the extreme see Gstaad at 1000m, which plays faster than any hard court (including some indoors ones).

lurker
05-05-2009, 03:52 PM
if he takes roland garros and wimby again, it doesnt really matter what happens on hard courts later this year as far as i am concerned.

pocketing 75% of the slams is no easy matter. i would call that a job well done for 2009.

Wait wait wait. Let's stop and think a moment! IF Nadal manages to win RG and Wimbledon this year. It's 99% reliable he will win RG, but Wimbledon is a bigger ask. Federer is still a grass master, and Murray SHOULD be able to play better on the surface. Djokovic is not as mentally fragile as last season where he inexplicably folded second round. I think Nadal needs a little luck here, so that he doesn't have to face more than one of these guys. So IF Nadal gets through and wins both those tournaments he is 75% of 2009 slams.

Now, knowing Nadal, do you think he'd stop there? With a carrot like THE GRAND SLAM dangling in front of him? Are you kidding me? He will forge full steam ahead, never mind the aching body parts, and go for that US Open. Never will we in our lifetime likely see a time where someone would be likely to complete a Grand Slam than in that situation.

Clay Death
05-05-2009, 03:58 PM
Wait wait wait. Let's stop and think a moment! IF Nadal manages to win RG and Wimbledon this year. It's 99% reliable he will win RG, but Wimbledon is a bigger ask. Federer is still a grass master, and Murray SHOULD be able to play better on the surface. Djokovic is not as mentally fragile as last season where he inexplicably folded second round. I think Nadal needs a little luck here, so that he doesn't have to face more than one of these guys. So IF Nadal gets through and wins both those tournaments he is 75% of 2009 slams.

Now, knowing Nadal, do you think he'd stop there? With a carrot like THE GRAND SLAM dangling in front of him? Are you kidding me? He will forge full steam ahead, never mind the aching body parts, and go for that US Open. Never will we in our lifetime likely see a time where someone would be likely to complete a Grand Slam than in that situation.

i never said that he wouldnt go for it.

pica_pica
05-05-2009, 04:05 PM
Ya...so a poll is not needed after all.
My wish is to see some 76 or 75 or even someone taking a set.
Nadal to win, for sure.

Har-Tru
05-07-2009, 07:19 PM
So, I know it's a bit early and it should be taken with a grain of salt, but the forecast announces cold temperatures and rain in Madrid for next week, especially since Wednesday and until Sunday.

amonb
05-07-2009, 07:21 PM
Obviously it's Spain, clay = Rafa gets Masters shield #16. Who can doubt him? :worship::worship::worship:I can!!! Murray to retain his title without dropping a set!!!

nadal il mito
05-07-2009, 07:22 PM
So, I know it's a bit early and it should be taken with a grain of salt, but the forecast announces cold temperatures and rain in Madrid for next week, especially since Wednesday and until Sunday.


well summer has begin.;)

Bazooka
05-08-2009, 12:40 AM
he does well enough on hard courts admiral sapeod. for instance, he supports the best record of all the players on hard courts in 2008.

in 2009 so far, he has--in his back pocket--2 of the 3 biggest tournaments on hard courts so far.

in any case, its all about clay right now. i dont think he is that sharp at the moment but it is not stopping him from taking the important clay events.

if he takes roland garros and wimby again, it doesnt really matter what happens on hard courts later this year as far as i am concerned.

pocketing 75% of the slams is no easy matter. i would call that a job well done for 2009.

Winning RG and playing well on grass, reaching semi or better, and if he doesn't win, losing with dignity. That is enough for me as fan.

No one has won AO + RG in 17 years. Sometimes I think we expect too much of him as #1 and I blame Roger for that.

Clay Death
05-08-2009, 12:46 AM
Winning RG and playing well on grass, reaching semi or better, and if he doesn't win, losing with dignity. That is enough for me as fan.

No one has won AO + RG in 17 years. Sometimes I think we expect too much of him as #1 and I blame Roger for that.

he is setting records every day. no one has won 4 Rome Masters before. no one has pocketed 5 Monte Carlo Opens in a row in the open era.

nobody has ever been a defending title holder of 3 slams on 3 completely different surfaces ever in history.

since 2005, he has won better than 97% of his matches on clay. all this is without precedence in the sport.

this is why i said that i value his health and longevity more than anything. winning will take care of itself since he is so driven.

if he can snatch both Roland Garros and Wimby again, he has done his work for 2009 as far as i am concerned. he can just coast after that and try to make a little run at the U.S. Open to see what develops but its all about protecting his health during the latter part of the year so he can start strong again in 2010.

FedFan_2007
05-08-2009, 03:09 AM
Clay Death - when it comes to clay monster there are no rules, no precedents. He is like the Roman Empire. Conquering all before him and ruling for a 1000 years.

Clay Death
05-08-2009, 03:45 AM
Clay Death - when it comes to clay monster there are no rules, no precedents. He is like the Roman Empire. Conquering all before him and ruling for a 1000 years.

Clay Monster is indeed a fearsome warrior.

freeandlonely
05-08-2009, 04:07 AM
Strangely, being a Nadal hater, I kind of like to see someone gets 3 Clay Masters in a season. Would like to see that record actually happen.

Winners take all
05-08-2009, 04:16 AM
Djoker or Fedchoker.

Priam
05-08-2009, 04:24 AM
Repeating the channel slam this year will be tougher imo. The pressure will be greater since he won AO and he'll be that much closer to the cygs. Curiously, jim courier crashed out in the 3rd round(to a qualifier) at Wimby 1992 having won AO and RG previously. I just hope Rafa doesn't suffer the same fate.

Priam
05-08-2009, 04:27 AM
And in Madrid we will see a Rafa v Fed final. Guess who wins?

w78dexon_y
05-08-2009, 04:33 AM
"Everyone is beatable", Novak Djokovic.

Bazooka
05-08-2009, 08:17 AM
Repeating the channel slam this year will be tougher imo. The pressure will be greater since he won AO and he'll be that much closer to the cygs. Curiously, jim courier crashed out in the 3rd round(to a qualifier) at Wimby 1992 having won AO and RG previously. I just hope Rafa doesn't suffer the same fate.

Pressure? it won't happen.

And courier having a 3rd result is average in his career, he reached one F, one QF, one 4R, his other 8 results are 1R-3R. Nadal is a different story.