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More mentally scarred against Nadal - Novak or Roger?

rofe
05-03-2009, 04:43 PM
They are both closing in on Turkey status against Nadal. Novak just needs 1 more loss to become Nadal's Turkey. Novak is 4-13 against Nadal and Roger is 6-13.

Who is more afraid to face Nadal and who will get to Turkey status first?

Discuss.

NadalSharapova
05-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Well Federer is an easier match for Nadal.

rofe
05-03-2009, 04:48 PM
Well Federer is an easier match for Nadal.

That wasn't the question.

scarecrows
05-03-2009, 04:48 PM
They are both closing in on Turkey status against Nadal. Novak just needs 1 more loss to become Nadal's Turkey. Novak is 4-13 against Nadal and Roger is 6-13.

Who is more afraid to face Nadal and who will get to Turkey status first?

Discuss.

Federer's losses have been in far more important situations so surely he feels the pressure more.
Djokovic will be a turkey very soon, probably in RG (doubt he'll play madrid after Belgrade)

crude oil
05-03-2009, 04:49 PM
novak has not nearly been as close to beating nadal as federer on clay.

federer has had millions of opportunities to put nadal on the wall but he he screwed up each time. of course this isnt just nadal, we are seeing federer have the same problems against murray and djoker as well.

djokovic as well as he fights is not as close as federer was.

kafemotor
05-03-2009, 04:51 PM
They dont care your turkey, they wish the triumphs against Nadal really bad though.

BIGMARAT
05-03-2009, 04:53 PM
Nole loses to Nadal were mostly on Clay, on the other hand Roger loses to him in grass and hardcourt slams respectively in finals.

superslam77
05-03-2009, 04:57 PM
Nole loses to Nadal were mostly on Clay, on the other hand Roger loses to him in grass and hardcourt slams respectively in finals.

:rolleyes: nole lost to swine flu on grass final last year and also has lost on hc to dull boy...you bunch of overhypers bringing roger into this.

today proves what i've been saying for years..now nole the new generation will get to be on roger's shoes.

but worry not, rafa will decline or finally get busted,then nole has a lot of time to become RG champ(and i hope so too).

scarecrows
05-03-2009, 04:59 PM
Nole loses to Nadal were mostly on Clay

has lost 5 matches outside of clay

Federer 4

Nathaliia
05-03-2009, 05:04 PM
So easy to count. The one to become a turkey first is the guy whose draw throws him onto Nadal earlier for appropriate number of times. So if Federer first plays a few times against Nadal, he will become the turkey first. Djokovic might be losing his earlier matches on purpose to not fall into Nadal and postpone his destiny this way.

What a troll thread :o.

dodo
05-03-2009, 05:10 PM
More scarred? Roger, surely.
Djoko is able to bring his best game against Rafa, it just isnt good enough (on clay, anyway). Roger, on the other hand, completely craps himself when he sees Mr.Vamos on the other side of the net. Obviously it has to do with matchups, weapons, counters, frustration rising from the above, yaddayaddayadda, but the end result is the same - Roger performs at less than half power against him.
The 2009 addition is breaking down to other players in the same manner, it used to be Rafa exclusive.

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 05:11 PM
novak has not nearly been as close to beating nadal as federer on clay.

federer has had millions of opportunities to put nadal on the wall but he he screwed up each time. of course this isnt just nadal, we are seeing federer have the same problems against murray and djoker as well.

djokovic as well as he fights is not as close as federer was.

Summs it up pretty well. Fed has been close to get the job done on numerous accounts. Djoko: not at all. Djoko might well have his chances in the future, I fear Fed's have ran out by now.

Surcouf
05-03-2009, 05:11 PM
Mental is not the issue. Nadal is just the best player in the big matchs.

Priam
05-03-2009, 05:18 PM
Mental Scarring inflicted by Nadal:

Fed 85%
Nole 70%

Fed has wilted more under Nadal's pressure. Nole still has many years ahead of him, time will tell if (and when) he becomes what Roddick is to Fed.

vidanhv
05-03-2009, 05:25 PM
Nadal is just too good and improving. While the same stand for Djoko, Fed, at the moment, is declining but i'm sure he'll come back at his best. Everybody are equally scared of him, not only Fed and Djoko, but every single guy out there. The only difference is that two of them are playing most important matches with him. I'm looking forward to the future, it will be an interesting one. As to the turkey thing, they just want to win, period. How many times they are going to loose doesn't matter as long as they can take him while he is on his peak and when it really matters (Nole didn't manage today and it really mattered, but there will be other opportunities).

rofe
05-03-2009, 05:31 PM
I think Fed maybe more scarred because he has lost to Nadal on big occasions but Novak is not far behind. Though Fed also managed to win against Nadal in Wimbly and TMS so that counts in his favor. Nadal has always won against Novak on big occassions - RG, Queens etc. so it is going to be an interesting year.

prima donna
05-03-2009, 05:34 PM
With all due respect, this one should be a no-brainer.

MrChopin
05-03-2009, 05:55 PM
I think it's Nole. A lot of people will cite Fed with RG 2008 or the tears at AO, or perhaps note how much longer Fed has been the loser to Nadal than Djokovic, but I think that Fed has shown more late-match fight against Nadal, even recently. He was down two sets at Wimbledon '08.

I don't think Djokovic could win a set down 2-0 at a slam. Djokovic has never won a slam match against Nadal and has never won a match that has gone to three sets. Maybe it's an issue of fitness, but I don't think he has shown a significant sign of being able to go the distance when it gets tough. Hamburg '08 was the best fight we've seen from him against Nadal.

Fed has never been able to breeze past Nadal anywhere but indoor, whereas Djokovic has done it several times on different N. American hard, but I think that's an issue of their respective games, not an issue of mentality. Fed winning Wimbledon '07 puts him ahead of Nole here, especially given the near mental burnout he suffered in that 4th set.

luie
05-03-2009, 06:02 PM
Federer, but in the past he showed he could withstand the abuse.Can he still do it?

Jōris
05-03-2009, 06:04 PM
Federer. Djokovic will become more consistent once he reaches his prime.

luie
05-03-2009, 06:16 PM
Federer. Djokovic will become more consistent once he reaches his prime.
Novak's prime was The beginning of 08 its downhill for him now,Murray will abuse him in the future.:devil:

Jōris
05-03-2009, 06:24 PM
Novak's prime was The beginning of 08 its downhill for him now.

No.

star
05-03-2009, 06:30 PM
I dunno. You'd have to be inside their heads to know -- that is assuming that either one is actually scarred. Because Fed bawled and Djokovic beamed is no real indicator, to me about who is or is not scarred.

All anyone can really do is talk about which one has had closer matches.

fred perry
05-03-2009, 06:41 PM
confidence. nadal has off the charts confidence after clay court season. rogi said this was a big facto. btw, rogi again gave a dig at nadal saying "you pretty much know what you get with Rafa but I have the 'talent' to change my game." :)

star
05-03-2009, 06:49 PM
confidence. nadal has off the charts confidence after clay court season. rogi said this was a big facto. btw, rogi again gave a dig at nadal saying "you pretty much know what you get with Rafa but I have the 'talent' to change my game." :)

Where and when was this?

heya
05-03-2009, 07:19 PM
Fed: "I don't need to add extra movement. I'm smooth. Nadal has muscles."

I love how how the trolls called Roddick a bitch, while Federer and Djokovic never physically collapsed to lose 3 match points. They got destroyed by Nadal and Murray without getting into position to choke on set points and 0-40 and 0-30 chances (US Open, Davis Cup). They didn't get unlucky with bad ball bounces on nets...and injured bodies (after breaking Federer's serve and leading *5-4). Federer sat down and smacked the ball hard into the crowd in Shanghai, despite leading Murray and using a Big Injury excuse.

heya
05-03-2009, 07:42 PM
Nadal is just too good and improving. While the same stand for Djoko, Fed, at the moment, is declining but i'm sure he'll come back at his best. Everybody are equally scared of him, not only Fed and Djoko, but every single guy out there. The only difference is that two of them are playing most important matches with him. I'm looking forward to the future, it will be an interesting one. As to the turkey thing, they just want to win, period. How many times they are going to loose doesn't matter as long as they can take him while he is on his peak and when it really matters (Nole didn't manage today and it really mattered, but there will be other opportunities).
Nadal only falters on hardcourts and against smart players with great serves.

Pray for earlier deaths before Federer cries or destroys rackets, smacks balls into crowd, insult the line call challenge system, throws bottles next to chairs for retrieving ball kids (Federer's servant) and tell the umpire to pay attention to his needs. Hope that Nadal + big servers double fault to enhance the Fed so-called legacy.

Pray for injured, scared media-brainwashed, choking opponents to lose against Djokovic before he thinks he'll lose too.

the graduate
05-03-2009, 09:37 PM
Nole is no threat to Nadal on clay,because Rafa is the King and still has chance to pass 13gs.Nole will never have a legacy like Rafa at 22yrs he has achieved what every player dreams about.He has shut out players at RG,Monte Carlo,Barcelona,Madrid for the past 4-5yrs,imagine defending a title four or five times.I think some players secretly hate him because they are relegateD to Estoril or some lower tier event .I admire Rafa for his focus and work ethic,he brings his best to every match.He is an absolute overachiever plus he has good manners always humble,nothing bratty about our KING OF CLAY.

crude oil
05-03-2009, 09:51 PM
confidence. nadal has off the charts confidence after clay court season. rogi said this was a big facto. btw, rogi again gave a dig at nadal saying "you pretty much know what you get with Rafa but I have the 'talent' to change my game." :)

haha. source? none as usual...

sphiie
05-03-2009, 10:02 PM
Federer by far...

He's mentally afraid when he's facing Rafael. Nadal is hurting him deeply, just look at the Wimbledon final last year, or at the Australian open this year...
When you lose against a guy 5 times in a Grand chelem final (3x RG, 1xAO, 1x Wimbly), you must be afraid of him no?
And when this same guy prevents you from beating Sampras's record, you must be afraid of him too no?

shotgun
05-03-2009, 10:10 PM
has lost 5 matches outside of clay

Federer 4

Yeah but Federer's wins over Nadal happened during the time he was supremely dominant in mens tennis. He hasn't beaten Nadal in 18 months, on any surface, and is carrying a losing streak of five matches to him in their head-to-head - and these matches happened on three different surfaces. Djokovic OTOH has beaten Nadal twice in the last 18 months, and both times very convincingly.

As for the question, the answer is the player who consistently gets on winning positions in matches against Nadal only to always allow him to come back. That is the true sign of a mental scar.

Mr. Oracle
05-03-2009, 10:24 PM
Scarred or scared?

I have been SCARRED by a knife wound, whereas
I have been SCARED of the boogeyman.

No, Novak has not been SCARRED by Rafa, nor is he SCARED of him.

vidanhv
05-03-2009, 11:53 PM
Nadal only falters on hardcourts and against smart players with great serves.

Pray for earlier deaths before Federer cries or destroys rackets, smacks balls into crowd, insult the line call challenge system, throws bottles next to chairs for retrieving ball kids (Federer's servant) and tell the umpire to pay attention to his needs. Hope that Nadal + big servers double fault to enhance the Fed so-called legacy.

Pray for injured, scared media-brainwashed, choking opponents to lose against Djokovic before he thinks he'll lose too.
Didn't quite follow u on that Heya.

Pfloyd
05-03-2009, 11:57 PM
Federer has shown moments in which his mind has been the problem with beating Nadal, such as the Rome final in 2006 among other matches.

But the problem with the backhand handling the topspin is something he never could really master, so to blame many of Federer's defeats to Nadal purely on a mental block is over-simplification.

Djokovic on the other hand, has ego issues. I would like to see his reaction once he's down 10 defeats to Nadal.

Having said that, I'd say currently Federer is more scarred.

marcRD
05-04-2009, 01:40 AM
Definetly Federer but Djokovic will get there as he is climbing the same mountain Federer had to climb the last 4 years without ever getting close to the top.

Johnny Groove
05-04-2009, 01:43 AM
Fed for sure. At least Djokovic still has the belief that he can beat Nadal, especially on a hard court.

crude oil
05-04-2009, 05:06 AM
federer wins this but i got a chance to see dokovic in the first set TB...and i can say that was a monumental brain cramp from dokovic. those drop shots when he was in winning positions were disgusting combined with his hang dog attitude.

federer doesnt always play the right way against nadal either but dokovic reached a new level of stupidity today.

madlove
05-04-2009, 08:52 AM
federer's losses have been more painful to watch