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How will Roger be remembered?

SheepleBuster
05-03-2009, 01:59 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

jenanun
05-03-2009, 02:02 AM
Hello?!?! 5 times Wimbledon champion and 5 times USO champion.... plus 3 times AO champion... and 3 times RG finalist....

SheepleBuster
05-03-2009, 02:03 AM
Hello?!?! 5 times Wimbledon champion and 5 times USO champion.... plus 3 times AO champion... and 3 times RG finalist....

So what are you suggesting? That he is the GOAT? I mean either you are the GOAT or you are not. You can't be both :)

Ilovetheblues_86
05-03-2009, 02:06 AM
Nadal isn´t better than Roger cause Nadal has only 2 fast courts grand slams while Roger has 13. They make tough matches on hard courts (advantage to fed 5-4) but Nadal will never dominate his rivals like Federer has dominated in the past.

Capicce? Tennis is not head-to-head to see who is better, but overall achievements.

And the real GOAT is called Rod Laver. Nadal speed plus Roger talent.

chowdahead25
05-03-2009, 02:09 AM
Rogers got atleast 5 years to go.
I hate these threads with people saying hes toast.
Wait, 19 straight GS semis means your done.
I forgot.

moon language
05-03-2009, 02:09 AM
One of the all time greats. He already is.

tennisfan444
05-03-2009, 02:12 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

This is a joke right? In order to be better then Federer, Nadals got to win a whole lot more slams and hold onto the number one spot for a lot longer then he has now. I don't think with Murray and the others in the mix he'll hold onto it for more then 15 months at best.

Halba
05-03-2009, 02:13 AM
a fast court genius. he's only a couple of well hit forehands away from getting his form back and winning those tight matches.

rafa is an all court genius =) AND the king of clay.

Johnny Groove
05-03-2009, 02:13 AM
He will be remembered as one of the top 5 tennis players of all time.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-03-2009, 02:16 AM
a fast court genius. he's only a couple of well hit forehands away from getting his form back and winning those tight matches.

rafa is an all court genius =) AND the king of clay.

You must be joking. Nadal has two grand slam in fast court; how can he be genious in fast court, he is clay court genious and a very good fast court player but less than fed on fast court.

l_mac
05-03-2009, 02:18 AM
As the most wonderful, generous man of his generation. And the last "artist" that tennis ever produced. Now it is played as if it is sport :sobbing:

prima donna
05-03-2009, 02:19 AM
He will be remembered as one of the top 5 tennis players of all time.
Let me guess: Nadal would be at the top of that list, correct ? Say, watch any Marcelo Rios matches lately ?

Johnny Groove
05-03-2009, 02:22 AM
Let me guess: Nadal would be at the top of that list, correct ? Say, watch any Marcelo Rios matches lately ?

Nadal is somewhere in the 10-15ish range.

Macbrother
05-03-2009, 02:23 AM
For whoever was fortunate enough to watch him in his prime, they will remember the shots. The absolutely jaw dropping angles he could make from any position on the court, from either wing, at any time; and be able to do so on a consistent basis. Everyone can make a crazy shot every once in a while, Roger did it as a matter of course. 13-time grand slam champion and snubbed at Paris only by someone who may very well be the best clay courter of all time.

But let's not write his obituary just yet.

sainteagle
05-03-2009, 02:28 AM
mental midget

andylovesaustin
05-03-2009, 02:32 AM
One of the greatest players of all time.

BaselineSmash
05-03-2009, 02:36 AM
I want the GOAT acronym banned from MTF discussion for the rest of the season.

Who's with me?

Mods?

r2473
05-03-2009, 02:41 AM
Roger who?

finishingmove
05-03-2009, 02:52 AM
transitional champ

superslam77
05-03-2009, 02:53 AM
I want the GOAT acronym banned from MTF discussion for the rest of the season.

Who's with me?

Mods?

+1

every freaking MTF day they say something ridiculous like that..
sampras can't be goat cuz he has losing h2h to roger.. and many clowns.
nadal can't be goat cuz he is losing to nalbandian.
ridiculous talk.. live and let live the moment goddamit!

andylovesaustin
05-03-2009, 02:55 AM
+1

every freaking MTF day they say something ridiculous like that..
sampras can't be goat cuz he has losing h2h to roger.. and many clowns.
nadal can't be goat cuz he is losing to nalbandian.
ridiculous talk.. live and let live the moment goddamit!

That's why I said, "ONE of the greatest of all time." :shrug:

Roger is definitely one of the greatest.

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 03:11 AM
One of the all time greats. He already is.

He will be remembered as one of the top 5 tennis players of all time.

One of the greatest players of all time.

True, that. :yeah:
Hope he won't spoil his legacy with ongoing brainfarts. Oh I guess no-one will remember in some ten years time. No-one remembered Agassi's either.

JoshDragon
05-03-2009, 03:20 AM
+1

every freaking MTF day they say something ridiculous like that..
sampras can't be goat cuz he has losing h2h to roger.. and many clowns.
nadal can't be goat cuz he is losing to nalbandian.
ridiculous talk.. live and let live the moment goddamit!

Sampras, can't be the GOAT because he sucked on clay.

JimmyV
05-03-2009, 03:43 AM
Every time I think this forum has hit the lowest possible rung on the stupidity ladder a thread like this comes along.

Pete Sampras lost a slew of matches to Hewitt and the other young guns at the time at the end of his career and even dropped out of the top ten. Obviously we still think of him as the greatest player of all time. Something as dumb as this doesn't even deserve a real answer, I don't know why I bother.

JimmyV
05-03-2009, 03:47 AM
I'm sorry I know I'm double posting but holy shit I just literally can't fathom how someone could ask if people are going to remember Federer as a "talented overachiever". The dude has won 13 grand slams and reached what, 18 straight slam semis or something ridiculous. Lleyton Hewitt is a talented overachiever, Federer is arguably the greatest of all time, and I'm not even a fan of his.

JoshDragon
05-03-2009, 03:49 AM
Every time I think this forum has hit the lowest possible rung on the stupidity ladder a thread like this comes along.

Pete Sampras lost a slew of matches to Hewitt and the other young guns at the time at the end of his career and even dropped out of the top ten. Obviously we still think of him as the greatest player of all time. Something as dumb as this doesn't even deserve a real answer, I don't know why I bother.

How can Pete be the greatest player of all time?

Are you being serious?:confused:

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 03:51 AM
I'm sorry I know I'm double posting but holy shit I just literally can't fathom how someone could ask if people are going to remember Federer as a "talented overachiever". The dude has won 13 grand slams and reached what, 18 straight slam semis or something ridiculous. Lleyton Hewitt is a talented overachiever, Federer is arguably the greatest of all time, and I'm not even a fan of his.

Yep. 19, in fact.

As Commander Clay Death would say, "please bury this thread in the deepest crecipes of mankind" - or rather, let it be banned into the Insect Department of any a Zoo one can think off. :o

Henry Kaspar
05-03-2009, 03:57 AM
Like all greats, he'll first and foremost be remembered for the awesome achievements at his peak. Second, he'll be rembered for his extraordinary style. Third, he'll be remembered for his great rivalries, notably with Nadal.

By contrast, what he did beyond-peak will be quickly forgotten. Who remembers much of McEnroe post-1985.

HeretiC
05-03-2009, 04:00 AM
Ah, fuck it, I lost my patience today with all the :bs:. :o
How about you take a break and come back in 10-20 years to tell us all about it?

SheepleBuster
05-03-2009, 04:16 AM
I'm sorry I know I'm double posting but holy shit I just literally can't fathom how someone could ask if people are going to remember Federer as a "talented overachiever". The dude has won 13 grand slams and reached what, 18 straight slam semis or something ridiculous. Lleyton Hewitt is a talented overachiever, Federer is arguably the greatest of all time, and I'm not even a fan of his.

I was just putting out the possibilities.

As far as Roger's head to head record with Nadal, I think Roger and Rafa may meet 10 more times in the next 5 years. Right? If they meet that many times, I would still give Rafa the edge 7-3. So this h2h record they have today will go up dramatically in favor of Nadal.

I hate GOAT discussions too. But how can Roger be the greatest of all time when he lost to a teenager Nadal at the start of his reign and then got spanked all through it? I am not saying Rafa is better than Roger. I am just saying you can't make an argument for Roger, especially if he doesn't win 15 slams, which seems he won't. But you are right. We should wait and see.

SheepleBuster
05-03-2009, 04:18 AM
Ah, fuck it, I lost my patience today with all the :bs:. :o
How about you take a break and come back in 10-20 years to tell us all about it?

Why don't you? :) You do seem like someone who's having an awful day

Branimir
05-03-2009, 04:21 AM
He will be remembered as teh person who played most beautiful tennis ever. I don't like him cause he says too much crap when he losses, but he played tennis on another level.

Clay Death
05-03-2009, 04:29 AM
Yep. 19, in fact.

As Commander Clay Death would say, "please bury this thread in the deepest crecipes of mankind" - or rather, let it be banned into the Insect Department of any a Zoo one can think off. :o


affirmatve. they guy is still playing and is #2 on the planet and they are worrying about how he will be remembered.

mods: drag this thread outside and run a dull butcher knife through it.

Mimi
05-03-2009, 04:30 AM
i think some of the fedfans are really over-reacting, its true that roger is no longer as dominating as before, but in normal standard, he is still very good, got to many finals and semi-finals, why to write him off so early:rolleyes:

MIMIC
05-03-2009, 04:36 AM
Holy Christ :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
05-03-2009, 05:17 AM
People will remember what they want to remember. Just like some people remember the Lame Sampras Years and conveniently forget that he retired on his own terms after winning the USO, some people will remember Federer for losing a number of matches to the younger guys. Whatever. Overall, by those who are reasonable, Federer will be remembered as one of the GOAT. Even if he retires tomorrow.

Hunny
05-03-2009, 05:25 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

UNDERAHIEVED? WTF are you on girl? You must be pretty stupid, so I'll try make things simple for your little brain. He already has 13 Grand Slam titles, which is one less than the all time record. This, makes him No 2 on the number of Grand Slam titles list. He was the top ranked player for 237 weeks. Lets see when someones able to beat that. Highly doubt Murray, Nadal or Joker can accomplish all that. Got it?

He will be remembered as one of the Greatest in Tennis and in all Sports.

Hunny
05-03-2009, 05:28 AM
a fast court genius. he's only a couple of well hit forehands away from getting his form back and winning those tight matches.

rafa is an all court genius =) AND the king of clay.


Let Nadal come half as close to all of that Roger has achieved - then we'll talk.

luie
05-03-2009, 05:32 AM
Some-one that made tennis watchable with the right mix of offence & defence.

guptaji
05-03-2009, 07:17 AM
He will be remembered like General Motors - great at one point of time but eventually bankrupt, partially due to his arrogance and refusal to accept/correct deficiencies (same is true for GM). What do you think of GM right now? Is GM the GOAT of car companies just because they were the biggest for so many years ( = Fed winning 13 slams)? Well, clearly not.

Fed's past record cannot make-up for his current record. If he accidentally wins 2 more slams, that won't do it either. However, if he regains his form and starts consistently challenging other top guys, he'll be the GOAT in my books regardless of how many more slams he wins.

morningglory
05-03-2009, 07:53 AM
the most talented EVER to play the game... and yet with a regrettable lack in some mental aspects that would've enabled him to win some more and be the most accomplished player as well.

MrChopin
05-03-2009, 07:53 AM
guptaji is on the right track but is too modest.

The short of it: Federer will not be remembered.

The long of it: Nadal will destroy him physically at Wimbledon and then tear his heart out Mola Ram style. He will exile Mirka, child, and all the Federers to slave labor in a remote salt mine. Uncle Toni will then destroy every record in existence concerning Federer. Mountain Hag will cast a spell to cause all to forget Fed's existence. Srdjan will invade the homes of all remaining Fedtards to heckle them until they become Noletrolls. Murray will get braces and become the next pretty boy of tennis and the face of Nike, Rolex, Gilette... In ten years, everyone but Roddick will have forgotten who Fed was, even his most recent success in making the four slam finals from RG '08 to AO '09. Some have already forgotten that.

Art&Soul
05-03-2009, 08:03 AM
the most talented EVER to play the game... .
Spot on and he'll be the GOAT when he wins 2 more slams, US open and Wimblendon :worship::bounce::worship:

johnny_dhk
05-03-2009, 08:39 AM
Roger Federer is the ultimate loser. He will be remembered as a tennis player who overachieved from 2004-07 and when he came up against tough opponents, he was not talented enough to overcome them. But most importantly he will be remembered as the most arrogant tennis player to have ever stepped on the court.

your_valentine
05-03-2009, 08:42 AM
He will be remembered as GOAT with the most beautiful game world has ever seen :worship:

CmonAussie
05-03-2009, 08:48 AM
...
If he retired tomorrow he`d go down as one of the Top-4 players of all time::


1. Rod LAVER = The GOAT
2. Borg, Sampras, Federer ~ 3 way tie for 2nd..!
5. Rosewall, Agassi..
7. Nadal, Edberg, Becker, Wilander, Newcombe, Lendl, Connors, McEnroe

nkhera1
05-03-2009, 09:11 AM
One of the best to ever play the game and to dominate at such an astounding level for quite a number of years (at least 3 or 4) that winning 1 GS and being the number 2 ranked player in the world was not considered good enough for his fans.

DUN I LOVE
05-03-2009, 09:20 AM
Roger - most talented player ever.

morningglory
05-03-2009, 10:08 AM
Spot on and he'll be the GOAT when he wins 2 more slams, US open and Wimblendon :worship::bounce::worship:

not "when" ;) "if" ... and I don't think at this point he's got the mind or grit for it.
Even the biggest hater has to admit that Federer's got the type of talent the sport has never ever seen before... at his best he's just mind-boggling.

You watch Sampras, you see someone with considerably less talent than Federer, but of greater accomplishments. Why? Typical Sampras match: he's down bp.... ace! service winner! great serve followed by slam dunk at the net... other player serving.... 40-0...not running just conserving energy :lol: if it's 0-30 or 15-30 or bp you'll see Sampras RUN for his life... :o (even though he's not the greatest defensive player but you have to admire his practicallity and common sense.)
Play the big points! Mental toughness! Match player! I feel that Federer is lacking in those areas compared to other great champions because he has too much sheer talent to have to resort to other tactics. So now when he's older and a lot of the talent's gone with age... well... you see what happens. Can't win the big points anymore.

vamosinator
05-03-2009, 10:22 AM
Federer isn't the most talented, he doesn't have a single shot which anyone would say is the best of all-time of that particular shot. He plays each shot at a high level but has no special talent in terms of all-time great shots. Whereas Sampras has the GREATEST SERVE OF ALL-TIME plus a forehand more destructive than most. Nadal's forehand is also a more talented shot than anything Federer has.

habibko
05-03-2009, 10:33 AM
you won't realize how lucky you are that you watched him in his prime and while he is playing until you tell your grand children one day that there was a player called Roger Federer who played tennis like no one ever played it, and won slams in a pace never seen before and not likely to be seen after, and dominated the sport like no sport has ever been dominated.

those days will be so missed one day, enjoy watching a living legend playing while you can :)

rafa_maniac
05-03-2009, 11:00 AM
Wait... who?

Commander Data
05-03-2009, 11:10 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

It depends on the coming years. If Fed can turn that whole thing around and raise again it may even increase his legency that he sucks now. If not he will be remembred as an incredible talent with a fragile persona behind it.


I think if Fed can bounces back and push it to 15 GS he will be remebered as the greatest player ever.

Commander Data
05-03-2009, 11:24 AM
What lots of people don't understand:


when everything is said and done one remembers the highlights and achievements of a career. Nobody will care about the loses anymore. Nobody will go back and rewatch the matches were a player brainfurted etc.


You just look at the total of great things a player has done and that forms his legency. therefore Federer is close to the GOAT status. if he surpasses Sampras or gets in 1 RG he and Laver will be on top.


Fed can lose 10 more times to Nadal doesn't matter, if he finally manages to win RG, in hindsight, one will say, see, what a great champion, had this clay Trauma with Nadal but still kept on fighting and finally made it. unbelievable this Federer!

;)

Mike Tyson
05-03-2009, 11:25 AM
In 5 million years from now, Federer will be forgotten, not even the die hard tennis fans, will remember him.

Commander Data
05-03-2009, 11:51 AM
In 5 million years from now, Federer will be forgotten, not even the die hard tennis fans, will remember him.

in 5 million years Tyson will be forgotten, not even you will remember him.

Bilbo
05-03-2009, 11:53 AM
can someone explain to me why these kind of topics are coming 1 year too late? was it a huge server lag?

BackhandMissile
05-03-2009, 11:54 AM
Assuming he doesn't achieve anything else for the rest of his career...

he will go down as an ATG who produced beautiful tennis and dominated the circuit for a cosniderable amount of time. It will also be remembered (as it is with Sampras) that he didn't win the clay major, and that a certain Rafael Nadal (who will also go down in the history books, even if he doesn't achieve anything else from now) had his number.

Nadal isn´t better than Roger cause Nadal has only 2 fast courts grand slams while Roger has 13. They make tough matches on hard courts (advantage to fed 5-4) but Nadal will never dominate his rivals like Federer has dominated in the past.

Nadal has done more than just "dominating his rivals". He has successively beaten the guy who was dominating the tour for years, and did so on three different surfaces in Grand Slam finals.

Furthermore, Federer didn't have any clear-cut rivals as such.

lazybear
05-03-2009, 12:16 PM
can someone explain to me why these kind of topics are coming 1 year too late? was it a huge server lag?

If i remember correctly he won the US Open.

Bilbo
05-03-2009, 12:23 PM
If i remember correctly he won the US Open.

sure, but he hasn't faced rafa nor nole and an inexperienced murray in the final.

like i said several times, he won't get that luck one more time. the US Open 2008 was his last GS imo.

lazybear
05-03-2009, 12:23 PM
Federer isn't the most talented, he doesn't have a single shot which anyone would say is the best of all-time of that particular shot. He plays each shot at a high level but has no special talent in terms of all-time great shots. Whereas Sampras has the GREATEST SERVE OF ALL-TIME plus a forehand more destructive than most. Nadal's forehand is also a more talented shot than anything Federer has.

That's pure comedy. I shouldn't have to point that out for you, because you're obviously a hater, but Roger has probably the most versatile forehand of all-time, and i'm pretty sure he already blasted more winners with it then Sampras during his whole career. Nadal has probably the most efficient forehand of all-time, and arguably the best topspin, i give you that, but more talented shot? No way, just no way.

lazybear
05-03-2009, 12:33 PM
sure, but he hasn't faced rafa nor nole and an inexperienced murray in the final.

like i said several times, he won't get that luck one more time. the US Open 2008 was his last GS imo.

I would have swear he beat Djoko in the semifinals... Anyway, i hate those predictions. You really can't be sure, i can't be sure, nobody can be sure. Too much variables. That's the beauty of the sport.

christallh24
05-03-2009, 12:35 PM
As one of the greatest of all time, of course! Can't take that away from him.

Acer
05-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Look at the number of records Federer holds, most of those are extremely hard to break. Those records are going to stand for a long time and will continue to speak for his acheivements in the sport.

Vida
05-03-2009, 12:51 PM
as a somewhat sad figure. last of the classic players, who knew all tricks of the game, gone through all once can go through, done it all as they say. but despite the game and results, unless he changes something and begins beating the top guys on a regular basis (or at least stops choking), he will be tainted as a somewhat gutless champ, one who hid under the table once things got tough.

but I think most what we will miss about him is this feeling of greatness that surrounds him and this era I guess. now we are used to it, but once he is gone it will become very palpable.

cmurray
05-03-2009, 01:39 PM
I would imagine that he will most be remembered for the 04-06 years where he won everything under the sun. I doubt highly if we'll ever see that sort of domination again. Also, it depends on how he decides to retire. If it's Borg-like he'll be remembered for that as well. :shrug:

miura
05-03-2009, 02:03 PM
Who's Roger? :shrug:

MacTheKnife
05-03-2009, 02:30 PM
What were Sampras' last few years like ?? In 10-20 years most fans will remember the good stuff and he will be considered one of the top players in history. There will be those who were fans of other players that will recall all the bad stuff, but as time lingers on, those will be few and far between.

safinalium
05-03-2009, 02:33 PM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...
He IS already a goat. No matter how his career ends, it cant take away all he's achieved and that is a lot. Of course, we will have to wait a couple of more years to see how it will end.
I am not even the biggest Federer fan but I do respect him and I cant believe how people've had a 180 degree change of opinion for only several months :o

MacTheKnife
05-03-2009, 02:39 PM
He IS already a goat. No matter how his career ends, it cant take away all he's achieved and that is a lot. Of course, we will have to wait a couple of more years to see how it will end.
I am not even the biggest Federer fan but I do respect him and I cant believe how people've had a 180 degree change of opinion for only several months :o

This is absolutely nothing new when a really great player starts his decline. Only the most loyal of fans go down with the ship. This time in a great players career begins to separate their "real" fans from the bandwagoners and fanboys.

cocrcici
05-03-2009, 02:41 PM
By varied mediums

HeretiC
05-03-2009, 03:06 PM
Why don't you? :) You do seem like someone who's having an awful day

There was nothing wrong with my day, a weekend, free time, nice tennis on TV, been out for a dinner, it was all good until I decided to spent too much time reading all kinds of posts here on MTF and what is worse to took 'em way more seriously than I should have.

heya
05-03-2009, 07:31 PM
Nothing worse than a Federer fan who fakes that he's not a fan, but still convinces himself that Federer played the strongest opponents in history. As overrated and bitter as Federer himself. Self-pitying Federer, as self-pitying as Blake. They're as spoiled as possible by their tennis fans and Davis Cup apologists, and team mates.

fred perry
05-03-2009, 07:36 PM
as the guy who couldn't beat nadal and djok and murray. :wavey:

Tsongation
05-03-2009, 07:41 PM
For GOAT consideration, he needs at least 2 more slams

luie
05-03-2009, 07:56 PM
Who's Roger? :shrug:
:haha::haha::haha::haha:

Jōris
05-03-2009, 07:57 PM
Good hair.

Henry Kaspar
05-03-2009, 08:03 PM
Spot on and he'll be the GOAT when he wins 2 more slams, US open and Wimblendon :worship::bounce::worship:

No. This wouldn't get him past Laver. He would need to win RG.

In my view, among all players active in the open era, the ordering is roughly as follows:

1 Laver
2-4 Borg, Sampras, Federer
5,6 Rosewall and Lendl
7-9 Agassi, Connors, McEnroe
10,11 Wilander and Nadal
12-14 Becker, Edberg, Newcombe

Within groups, any order can be defended. Nadal is hard to rank as his career is very much ongoing. If he stopped tomorrow maybe he wouldn't be ranekd even above Becker, but he surely has the potential to join at least the Rosewall/Lendl group.

brunocitron
05-03-2009, 08:03 PM
As Rafa's hooker

luie
05-03-2009, 08:06 PM
As Rafa's hooker
He may now have competition in that department from fakervic.:p

the graduate
05-03-2009, 10:49 PM
As a champion of the beautiful game of tennis,he has all the shots in the book.

bizzle
05-03-2009, 10:52 PM
as the second greatest player of all time :worship:

Mechlan
05-03-2009, 11:12 PM
He will be remembered as the best player of his generation and top 5 all-time... same as right now. :shrug:

Har-Tru
05-04-2009, 12:21 AM
As one of the greatest of all time, but definitely not the best unless he turns the whole thing around dramatically.

Roddickominator
05-04-2009, 12:28 AM
This is pretty obvious. Roger will be remembered as the King of a Mug Era....who fell apart mentally at the first sign of REAL competition.

r2473
05-04-2009, 12:35 AM
In 10 or 20 years, most will fondly say, "Oh.....we're talking about that dude married to Mirka".

GlennMirnyi
05-04-2009, 12:40 AM
As a mug who is afraid of moonballers.

w78dexon_y
05-04-2009, 12:40 AM
Steiner will be remembered, as #2, 3, 4 or depending on when he's retired. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miOwOT1FYig)

r2473
05-04-2009, 12:53 AM
It's complicated. I'm not sure anyone really knows:

‘Memory’ is a label for a diverse set of cognitive capacities by which humans and perhaps other animals retain information and reconstruct past experiences, usually for present purposes. Our particular abilities to conjure up long-gone episodes of our lives are both familiar and puzzling. We remember experiences and events which are not happening now, so memory seems to differ from perception. We remember events which really happened, so memory is unlike pure imagination. Memory seems to be a source of knowledge, or perhaps just is retained knowledge. Remembering is often suffused with emotion. It is an essential part of much reasoning. It is connected in obscure ways with dreaming. Some memories are shaped by language, others by imagery. Much of our moral life depends on the peculiar ways in which we are embedded in time. Memory goes wrong in mundane and minor, or in dramatic and disastrous ways.

Pfloyd
05-04-2009, 12:54 AM
Hah.

Damn if he does not tie Sampras, he will be remembered as the guy who almost tied (or surpassed) the record of slams but started to "malfunction" at the edge of supreme glory.

marcRD
05-04-2009, 02:53 AM
He will be remembered for winning most grand slams in the open era.

Hugh Jaas
05-04-2009, 03:01 AM
He will be remembered for winning most grand slams in the open era.

This thread isnt about Rafa

marcRD
05-04-2009, 03:06 AM
This thread isnt about Rafa

:lol:

crude oil
05-04-2009, 06:18 AM
as the one who filled the "vaccuum" between hewitt and nadal.

w78dexon_y
05-04-2009, 08:45 AM
Steiner will be remembered as:

1. Rafa's whipping boy!
2. Murray's whipping boy
3. Simon's whipping boy
4. Sobbing and weeping boy at the majors.
5. Djoker's hater
6. Samprass's chaser
7. Weak tennis era competitor
8. Arrogant and egoistic maker

will this do? Or you want more?

desigundah
05-04-2009, 08:50 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

He definetly wont be the GOAT. Without question, the GOAT is Rafa's to lose. He's already done things that Roger and Sampras couldn't do. He'll have 7 grand slams at the tender age of 23 in a month. He should surpass the GS total set by Pete and unless things shake up drastically in the next couple of years he'll have more Grand Slams than Roger as well. Federer will be remembered the same way Mcenroe is to Borg and how Agassi is to Sampras. In the end, I hope people dont forget how dominant he was because of how disturbingly he went out. But unfortunately people are short sighted and they will not forget his awful demise.

Erica86
05-04-2009, 09:45 AM
One of the greatest players of all time.

+1

Chiseller
05-04-2009, 10:09 AM
He definetly wont be the GOAT. Without question, the GOAT is Rafa's to lose. He's already done things that Roger and Sampras couldn't do. He'll have 7 grand slams at the tender age of 23 in a month. He should surpass the GS total set by Pete and unless things shake up drastically in the next couple of years he'll have more Grand Slams than Roger as well. Federer will be remembered the same way Mcenroe is to Borg and how Agassi is to Sampras. In the end, I hope people dont forget how dominant he was because of how disturbingly he went out. But unfortunately people are short sighted and they will not forget his awful demise.

And then you wake up.

michellej
05-04-2009, 12:50 PM
He could have done what Henin & Sampras did..retire at the height of his career instead of getting greedy and chasing records. What's happening now is that Federer will be remembered as a great champion who played too long.

See tennis message boards where fans now focus on his decline and problems instread of his succeses as they used to.

marcRD
05-04-2009, 01:31 PM
A case for Roger Federer....

French pro open finals:

1963 Ken Rosewall dft Rod Laver 6-8, 6-4, 5-7, 6-3, 6-4
1964 Ken Rosewall dft Rod Laver 6-3, 7-5, 3-6, 6-3
1965 Ken Rosewall dft Rod Laver 6-3, 6-2, 6-4
1966 Ken Rosewall dft Rod Laver 6-3, 6-2, 14-12

Open era French open finals:

1968 Ken Rosewall dft Rod Laver 6-3, 6-1, 2-6, 6-2
1969 Rod Laver dft Ken Rosewall 6-4, 6-3, 6-4

No one remembers the spankings Rod Laver received, only greatness sticks in memory.

Quadruple Tree
05-04-2009, 01:35 PM
He could have done what Henin & Sampras did..retire at the height of his career instead of getting greedy and chasing records. What's happening now is that Federer will be remembered as a great champion who played too long.

See tennis message boards where fans now focus on his decline and problems instread of his succeses as they used to.

Yep, Sampras was at the height of his career having won a grand total of one title in his last 2 years on tour (just so happened to be the U.S. Open) and losing to Bastl in Wimbledon. Where does MTF find these people? Federer will be remembered as a great champion. The only people who will choose to remember him otherwise are the haters and/or Nadal, Djokovic, Murray nuthuggers. It is natural for a champion to decline, and only in the most rare of case do they go out on top. Laver, Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Sampras, and Agassi all went through the same progression, and we still remember them for what they accomplished when they were on top.

Sunset of Age
05-04-2009, 01:40 PM
Yep, Sampras was at the height of his career having won a grand total of one title in his last 2 years on tour (just so happened to be the U.S. Open) and losing to Bastl in Wimbledon. Where does MTF find these people?

You are right, Sampras most definitely din't retire at his height. I rather think he hang on in there during those two last years in hope of adding one more big title - and when he did, found it the best moment to retire. Not a bad choice. I wouldn't be surprised if Fed is taking that same route now, especially if he goes on without a title this year.

FedFan
05-04-2009, 01:42 PM
As MTF does not reflect the opinion of the normal tennis fan, Roger will without doubt be remembered as an all time great, an artist and shotmaker, who has broken several records.

And his career is not finished yet. ;)

Commander Data
05-04-2009, 01:47 PM
As the GOAT that was hated by a horde of maniacs on MTF. :rolleyes:

Eden
05-04-2009, 02:29 PM
He could have done what Henin & Sampras did..retire at the height of his career instead of getting greedy and chasing records. What's happening now is that Federer will be remembered as a great champion who played too long.

See tennis message boards where fans now focus on his decline and problems instread of his succeses as they used to.

It's the decision of every player to decide when the right moment to retire has come. We have seen that players regretted to retire early.

There's no reason for Roger to stop playing tennis. It's not that long ago that people moaned about the lack of competition for him and now when there are several players in the mix people want to see him retiring. He has a phenomenal record in GS tournaments and 2 of the latests GS finals he lost were in 5 sets. 99% of the players on the tour would do everything to have a career like Roger has even now.

What ever happens won't take anything away from his achievements in the last years. He said himself once something similiar as when he would be afraid of losing he would have to stop playing tennis. Losses are a part of the game and the current situation in his career is something he has to get through. He still has the desire to play tennis and people at the tournaments are looking forward to see him play as they enjoy his game and respect him for his achievements.

yavore
05-04-2009, 02:32 PM
As the most wonderful, generous man of his generation. And the last "artist" that tennis ever produced. Now it is played as if it is sport :sobbing:

:haha::haha::haha:

FlameOn
05-04-2009, 02:49 PM
If he equals Pete Sampras' record, he should retire immediately I think. If he really plays into his 30s like he reckons, he'll be seen as greedy and washed-up eventually, especially if the younger guns keep beating him in the slams.

ignigena
05-04-2009, 02:59 PM
This is a joke right? In order to be better then Federer, Nadals got to win a whole lot more slams and hold onto the number one spot for a lot longer then he has now. I don't think with Murray and the others in the mix he'll hold onto it for more then 15 months at best.

Hi,

who is the one in the picture of your profile?

ignigena
05-04-2009, 03:00 PM
a fast court genius. he's only a couple of well hit forehands away from getting his form back and winning those tight matches.

rafa is an all court genius =) AND the king of clay.

Hi,

who are those ones in the picture of your profile?

tennizen
05-04-2009, 03:02 PM
As the father of Rafa's Mirka's baby.

tennizen
05-04-2009, 03:16 PM
In 5 million years from now, Federer will be forgotten, not even the die hard tennis fans, will remember him.

Because they will all have died hard he he he

zlaja777
05-04-2009, 03:16 PM
I will allways remember Roger as one of the greatest of all time...
If he wins 2 more slams than as a GOAT!!!

chammer44
05-04-2009, 04:04 PM
The GOAT pretender who lost to Mardy Fish.

FedFan_2007
05-04-2009, 04:47 PM
Current GOAT list:

1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Lendl
4. Laver
5. Federer

I strike Sampras from the list for failing to win RG. Federer gets to #5 for sheer dominance and losing 3 RG finals to Rafa.

w78dexon_y
05-04-2009, 04:53 PM
Current GOAT list:

1. Borg
2. Sampras
3. Nadal
4. Lendl
5. Federer

C'mon! Jimmi Connors had the most titles and the most matches won ever! Jimbo has to be ahead of CryBaby Rog.
If people believe that GS are the only tourneys out there, they are default. It's true that two MS are adding more than 1 GS. (not in points, though).

FedFan_2007
05-04-2009, 04:53 PM
No RG, no GOAT. It's as plain as that.

rafa_maniac
05-04-2009, 04:55 PM
No RG, no GOAT. It's as plain as that.

Then why the hell is Sampras 2nd on your list :confused:

Commander Data
05-04-2009, 05:26 PM
Then why the hell is Sampras 2nd on your list :confused:

:haha::haha::haha:

Commander Data
05-04-2009, 05:30 PM
He could have done what Henin & Sampras did..retire at the height of his career instead of getting greedy and chasing records. What's happening now is that Federer will be remembered as a great champion who played too long.

See tennis message boards where fans now focus on his decline and problems instread of his succeses as they used to.

Yeah right he should have had retired before last Years US Open. Why go on and add Slams when you can sit at home and eat cookies...


Sure, you haters wish he would retire. That would be convenient, but he won't be so stupid. He will stick around and hunt that Samprass record down. :ras::ras::ras:

justsumma
05-04-2009, 05:32 PM
Then why the hell is Sampras 2nd on your list :confused: Give his glory hunting retarded mind a break, will you?

Serenidad
05-04-2009, 06:47 PM
No one ever remembers the bad unless it was really bad i.e. banned, tragic ending, etc. Chances are the same will go in Federer's case.

w78dexon_y
05-04-2009, 07:06 PM
as STEINER!



STEINER is no longer #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miOwOT1FYig)

HattonWBA
05-04-2009, 07:16 PM
As one of the best ever

Rafattack
05-04-2009, 07:30 PM
A transitional seat warmer for the period between Hewitt and Nadal and the most dominant force during the clown era. But ultimately, a first class chump as the cookie crumbles as soon as some real competition emerges on the tour when we enter the 'modern era'.

morningglory
05-04-2009, 08:49 PM
Current GOAT list:

1. Borg
2. Nadal
3. Lendl
4. Laver
5. Federer

I strike Sampras from the list for failing to win RG. Federer gets to #5 for sheer dominance and losing 3 RG finals to Rafa.

:spit: That's beyond stupid. Nadal hasnt even won USO yet and you place him at #2? Federer also fails to win RG and has less slams than Sampras so Sampras should still be above him. Also, the record holder for most slams won should be on the list, no?

Fedex
05-05-2009, 12:51 AM
A top 5 player of all time. He can only improve on his legacy from this point forward.

FedFan_2007
05-05-2009, 12:54 AM
As the guy who kept losing to Nadal over and over again on all surfaces...

alfonsojose
05-05-2009, 04:33 AM
Not fan of the guy, but some :retard: people here forgot why he used to be JesusFed. One of the GOATs, with 13 GS, 14 AMS, 4 TMC and 4 years of ruthless domination out of clay and three years being the second best on that surface. Pocahontas will complete his first year as the King after Wimbledon. Three years and 7 slams to go. We'll see :cool:

guptaji
05-05-2009, 05:16 AM
As the guy who kept losing to Nadal over and over again on all surfaces...

That's quite accurate - especially his crying after losing to Nadal is something that future generations will know and remember more distinctly than his H2H against Nadal. It's not fair to Federer but he will be remembered as a pansy for his post-match reactions after losing to Nadal and not because of the loss itself...

... Unless he can dramatically change that before he retires.

FedFan_2007
05-05-2009, 05:23 AM
Roger lacks the commitment to absolute fitness. He basically got by in 2004-2007 because of quick matches. Whenever he had to play long matches, his lack of fitness was exposed(2006 Rome, Roland Garros, 2008 Wimbledon).

Swiss Mountain
05-05-2009, 05:44 AM
As for today, he is remembered as the only one who did the last 4 slams finals.

w78dexon_y
05-05-2009, 06:08 AM
As the father of Mirka's baby.

how do you know that? Have you been holding the candle? ;)

vamosinator
05-05-2009, 06:08 AM
I think Federer will be remembered as the player Nadal destroyed, no?

vamosinator
05-05-2009, 06:41 AM
:haha::rolls:
http://i38.tinypic.com/2hqf5ds.jpg
:bolt:

heya
05-05-2009, 07:27 AM
Pompous prick and tool of the highest order. Just like McEnroe, his personal shoulder to cry on.

xlycet
05-05-2009, 07:47 AM
Who is Roger:rolleyes:

vamosinator
05-05-2009, 07:53 AM
http://some.numb.nuts.without.a.backhand

The Oracle
06-08-2009, 06:40 AM
He will be remembered like General Motors - great at one point of time but eventually bankrupt, partially due to his arrogance and refusal to accept/correct deficiencies (same is true for GM). What do you think of GM right now? Is GM the GOAT of car companies just because they were the biggest for so many years ( = Fed winning 13 slams)? Well, clearly not.

Fed's past record cannot make-up for his current record. If he accidentally wins 2 more slams, that won't do it either. However, if he regains his form and starts consistently challenging other top guys, he'll be the GOAT in my books regardless of how many more slams he wins.
HUH.....................................CERTAINLY NOT GM........

He is 27 and Agassi was winning slams when he was 31.........

I predict lifetime 30 slams.

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 06:45 AM
Roger will be remembered more like Tesla Motors - new and innovative.

lina_seta
06-08-2009, 06:52 AM
As reality sets in with Roger, I wonder how he will be remembered 10, 20 years from now. As a great player who had incredible talent and underachieved or as a shotmaker who overachieved. I doubt he will be GOAT since he is now pigeon to Murray and Nadal. Nadal has beaten Roger many times at his prime and for the life of me I can't imagine Roger being able to claim he is a better player than Nadal (even worse if Nadal wins a few more slams). Unless Roger turns his record against Nadal around, highly doubtful, can he be anything but a Bjorn Borg...

thats bullshit
u are saying roger cannot be GOAT becuz of his H2H against nadal? :rolleyes:
its just a question of terrible matchup for him, i doubt ANY of the greats had a positive H2H against every single player on tour.

and why do we care about the final H2H btwn these two? its not like nadal is the best ever and roger failed to beat him. he doesnt need to beat him regularly to prove he is a better overall player, plus nadal is on his prime and roger is on decline, u cant compare.
thats just like saying PlayerA>PlayerB if PlayerB>PlayerC, then PlayerA>PlayerC...

lina_seta
06-08-2009, 06:55 AM
Fed's past record cannot make-up for his current record. If he accidentally wins 2 more slams, that won't do it either. However, if he regains his form and starts consistently challenging other top guys, he'll be the GOAT in my books regardless of how many more slams he wins.


yes hes been accidentally winning 14 GS too
you are asking for him never to age.
and lastly, who the f are you and why do we care if he's on your GOAT list :rolleyes:

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 07:00 AM
:rolls: @ the idea that Federer has "underachieved" to 14 slams, career grand slam, 59 titles, #1 for 237 consecutive weeks, another 50 or so Open Era records... MTF wisdom at it's absolute best!

Polikarpov
06-08-2009, 07:13 AM
for being a total emotional wreck

FedFan_2007
06-08-2009, 07:14 AM
Yup, a total emotional wreck with 14 slams. I'll take that over some stoic guy with 0 titles.

Spirit_fire
06-08-2009, 08:34 AM
He will be remembered for being one of the greats of the game, if not the GOAT. He will be remembered for being universally loved and popular among most crowds around the world. A true legend. :)

habibko
06-08-2009, 08:40 AM
He will be remembered for being one of the greats of the game, if not the GOAT. He will be remembered for being universally loved and popular among most crowds around the world. A true legend. :)

well said, don't forget to add that he will also be remembered as playing one of the most artistic and beautiful styles of tennis ever witnessed.

FEDEX1981
06-08-2009, 09:43 AM
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! :worship:

Bargearse
06-08-2009, 12:20 PM
Federer will stand out in peoples' minds as a unique talent for his time. A player with an all-court game, every shot in the book, excellent serve placement, variety, finesse, class, sportsmanship, many titles... one of the greatest of all time, no doubt. Oh, and a decent and fair bloke.

He will be remembered while many of his contemporaries will be forgotten.

Dini
06-08-2009, 12:24 PM
He'll be remebered for being a champ, in the sense that he never gave up.

Burrow
06-08-2009, 12:38 PM
Why does it say "I can go to sleep now" in your signature?

Acer
06-08-2009, 12:42 PM
http://www.goat-colostrum.com/g/goat.jpg

Dini
06-08-2009, 12:48 PM
Why does it say "I can go to sleep now" in your signature?

Because I had trouble sleeping the day before the final. ;)

SerenaFederer
06-08-2009, 01:11 PM
lol seems all the obits were written beforehand :lol:

Commander Data
06-08-2009, 01:39 PM
On MTF? As the guy who fluked 20 GS and the GOAT-title :shrug:


In Reality: Most elegant Tennis Player of All Time

Bernard Black
06-08-2009, 02:44 PM
Classy guy and classy player. One of the greatest to pick up a racquet, no doubt, and of course, an excellent ambassador for the sport.

Bascule
06-08-2009, 02:56 PM
As one of the best athletes ever...as well one of the most arrogant.

Crazy Girl
06-08-2009, 03:36 PM
:confused::confused:As one of the best athletes ever...as well one of the most arrogant.:confused::confused:

Art&Soul
06-08-2009, 03:42 PM
GOAT in achievement and in term of talent :worship: The most favorite player from fans all over the world :hearts::angel::hearts:

dorkino
06-08-2009, 04:12 PM
Borg won 11 slams. Borg defeated McEnroe 7 times. McEnroe defeated Borg 7 times. Which one do you remember the most about Borg ??

But in my humble opinion , this question is more suitable to be asked when some one is not there anymore.

l_mac
06-08-2009, 04:14 PM
I'll remember him as a twat.

AndyUK
06-08-2009, 04:23 PM
He'll be remembered as one of the greatest tennis players of all-time, pretty simple. I'm happy I've being able to grow up watching him and everyone else should be because you'll be able to say you watched one of the best. In so many sports, we hear about the best from other people but it's not often we actually grow up watching them.

scarecrows
06-08-2009, 04:24 PM
I'll remember him as a twat.

you still seem very bitter l_mac

Julesj
06-08-2009, 04:42 PM
As the most talented player ever to play the game and the best of all time.

Give it 10 years and then check the GOAT list ;)

l_mac
06-08-2009, 04:44 PM
you still seem very bitter l_mac

I thought you preferred me bitter.

Crazy Girl
06-08-2009, 04:45 PM
When, over the hills and faraway in the time, speaking about Tennis, someone will say - simply - him and everybody in gm of MTF:o:o:o, in his heart, will pronounce his name.

:hatoff::hatoff:Roger Federer. The Champ.:hatoff::hatoff:

scarecrows
06-08-2009, 04:46 PM
I thought you preferred me bitter.

evil not bitter

magnoliaewan
06-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Greatest of all Time. Classy, well-liked, popular with the crowd, great ambassador of the sport and most of all, the most beautiful and fluid playing style tennis has ever witnessed.

Crazy Girl
06-08-2009, 04:56 PM
Greatest of all Time. Classy, well-liked, popular with the crowd, great ambassador of the sport and most of all, the most beautiful and fluid playing style tennis has ever witnessed.:worship::worship:Flawless:worship::wors hip:

Without a wrinkle!!!:wavey::wavey:

BackhandMissile
06-08-2009, 07:01 PM
Like Joe Calzaghe is in boxing.

Good athlete in a weak division.