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If Nadal defeats Djokovic in Rome Final Murray becomes N° 3...?

Nikigreat
05-02-2009, 10:38 PM
Novak is 110 points over Murray and Andy doesn't lose points as he did second round last year too.
If Novak loses the final tomorrow he loses 150 points (500 for the winner, 350 for the runner-up). So Murray will overtake Novak?
Is what I'm saying right?

ossie
05-02-2009, 10:41 PM
pray for death

Certinfy
05-02-2009, 10:43 PM
I think u r, as they said something like this on Sky Sports today

Richardgm
05-02-2009, 10:43 PM
That's what this interview said: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8030695.stm

Nikigreat
05-02-2009, 10:45 PM
I think u r, as they said something like this on Sky Sports today
It's strange that few people noticed it...

Sunset of Age
05-02-2009, 10:46 PM
It's been discussed in the ranking thread extensively as far as I remember - and the answer to the question is YES.
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I have to admit that the current point count gives me headaches...

MagicMilan
05-02-2009, 10:52 PM
It's strange that few people noticed it...
It has been talked about for days now. Novak has to win Rome in order to stay no.3 in 2 weeks time. Otherwise Andy will be new no.3 on May 11th

Athletics1982
05-02-2009, 10:54 PM
Novak is 110 points over Murray and Andy doesn't lose points as he did second round last year too.
If Novak loses the final tomorrow he loses 150 points (500 for the winner, 350 for the runner-up). So Murray will overtake Novak?
Is what I'm saying right?
Now it's 1000 for winner, 600 for runner-up, and 2008 defend points is doubleed. You can see the ATP website players ranking breakdown.
So to answer this question, if Djokovic loses in Final, he will lose 400 points.

pogotheorist
05-02-2009, 10:58 PM
Andy doesn't lose points as he did second round last year too...
Is what I'm saying right?
No, because Andy lost his first match. Player who gets a bye & loses first match doesn't get second-round points.

guptaji
05-02-2009, 11:02 PM
This has been discussed over and over again. I mean, anyone can do the Math and conclude that yes, Murray will be #3 if Novak loses tomorrow. Did you mean to say, "Yay, Murray will be #3 tomorrow if Djokovic loses".. because I think that's what you meant.

Okonsky
05-02-2009, 11:08 PM
'If Nadal defeats Djokovic in Rome Final Murray becomes N° 3'

Yes, 11th of may Murray would become No.3 for sure (this year Rome is week earlier). Doesn't matter Novak's Belgrade result. Novak can avoid 4th spot only if he wins tomorrow.


Correct me if I'm wrong, as I have to admit that the current point count gives me headaches...

You're not wrong Karin but this would happen week later, not day after tomorrow.

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 11:25 PM
I wonder when Roger loses his No. 2 position. It's about time. He is a disgrace to that No. 2 at this point. Don't get me wrong. I wish Roger could get back to No. 1 but right now Roger should worry about staying in top 4.

meihaditalab
05-02-2009, 11:33 PM
Either way, Rafa is going to win, and I'm pretty sure Djoker is going to drop a spot and Murray is going to become are new #3.

Sunset of Age
05-02-2009, 11:37 PM
[B]You're not wrong Karin but this would happen week later, not day after tomorrow.

Thanks for correcting me Misha, I must admit that I can't keep up with the current ranking points system. :o

sanshisan
05-02-2009, 11:46 PM
If Novak does lose 400 points as runner up at Rome - but wins 250 pts at Belgrade, he will only be down 40 points below Murray - correct? If so Murray will have to do alot of winning quickly to consolidate his lead and there is still alot of clay - Madrid (1,000 pts) and RG (2,000 pts) to go.
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And since Murray WON Madrid in 2008 he could lose alot of points there.

scoobs
05-02-2009, 11:50 PM
If Novak does lose 400 points as runner up at Rome - but wins 250 pts at Belgrade, he will only be down 40 points below Murray - correct? If so Murray will have to do alot of winning quickly to consolidate his lead and there is still alot of clay - Madrid (1,000 pts) and RG (2,000 pts) to go.
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And since Murray WON Madrid in 2008 he could lose alot of points there.
His Madrid 2008 points won't fall off until a year after he won them - ie October.

He will lose his Hamburg 2008 points after Madrid - ie third round. Nole is defending SF points from there so the pressure on Nole does not let up even after Rome.

sanshisan
05-02-2009, 11:58 PM
BTW - I'm sure most of you have seen the recent HEAD racket commercial starring Djokovic and Murray. Djokovic asks if he can still break the racket even though it's made of this new tectonic wonder material. Then Murray says his goal in tennis is `to replace Novak as number 3'. He looks directly at Djoker when he says this with this mean little twinkle in his eye and you hear people laughing in the background. Good stuff - spontaneous, off the cuff.

Remember the screamer/haters on this site who claimed Novak was being greedy for switching from Wilson to Head rackets? Now that Novak's winning again Head is running their commercials against Wilson and the screamers have to find something else to condemn Novak for. :devil: No problem, when all else fails MTF haters can just show their true colors, display who they really are by calling Novak and his family `Serbian filth' and `Eurotrash'. And the MODS just look the other way. Real sportsmen on MTF.

scoobs
05-03-2009, 12:00 AM
BTW - I'm sure most of you have seen the recent HEAD racket commercial starring Djokovic and Murray where Djokovic if he can still break the racket even though it's made of the new tectonic wonder material and Murray says his goal in tennis is `to replace Novak as number 3'. He looks directly at Djoker when he says it with this mean little twinkle in his eye. Good stuff.

Remember the screamer/haters on this site who claimed Novak was being greedy for switching from Wilson to Head rackets? Now that Novak's winning again Head is running their commercials against Wilson and the screamers have to find something else to condemn Novak for. :devil: No problem, when all else fails MTF haters can just show their true colors, display who they really are by calling Novak and his family `Serbian filth' and `Eurotrash'. And the MODS just look the other way. Real sportsmen on MTF.
I haven't seen this one.

Okonsky
05-03-2009, 12:09 AM
I'll 'help'> about 30+ prima donna's, the graduate's, etc...yesterdays posts, mostly in Federer vs. Djokovic closed thread.

Is very hard NOT to see if someone wants to.

GM.

BIGMARAT
05-03-2009, 01:06 AM
no 3 and no 4 doesnt have much difference on the seedings, so I dont really care.

«Ivan»
05-03-2009, 01:11 AM
no 3 and no 4 doesnt have much difference on the seedings, so I dont really care.

andy 'n nole for sure don't care.just delusionals.

i'll give you good rep now.

Lee
05-03-2009, 01:12 AM
If Novak does lose 400 points as runner up at Rome - but wins 250 pts at Belgrade, he will only be down 40 points below Murray - correct? If so Murray will have to do alot of winning quickly to consolidate his lead and there is still alot of clay - Madrid (1,000 pts) and RG (2,000 pts) to go.
.
And since Murray WON Madrid in 2008 he could lose alot of points there.

If Nole won more than 90 points at Serbia Open, he will lose the 90 points in Sydney earlier this year.

Murray's Madrid 2008 points won't come off until later in the year as the tournament moved up in the calendar this year and changed from hardcourt to clay court.

Lee
05-03-2009, 01:15 AM
I haven't seen this one.

Yesterday is the first time I saw it on Tennis Channel and it's not in head.com

sanshisan
05-03-2009, 02:25 AM
I haven't seen this one. The Head commercial is running on the Tennis Channel during the Rome tournament. The racist hatred against Novak and his Serbian family is running on MTF 24/7. I'm sure you've seen that. A shame you allow these arrogant, ignorant little punks to turn MTF from a sport site into a HATE site. I thought the purpose of MTF was to discuss TENNIS. :confused:

jenanun
05-03-2009, 02:27 AM
who cares about 3 and 4.

only no.1 does matter....

kingfederer
05-03-2009, 02:47 AM
with the rotten luck nadal is having, djokovic might end up on rafas half of the draw at the french open.

Ackms421
05-03-2009, 02:53 AM
I agree that No. 3 or 4 doesn't matter. You will still meet Federer or Nadal in the semis. As Djokovic and Murray are both currently 3 or 4, this situation will not change at all. The real kicker will be if one of them (most likely Murray) gets to #2 before Roland Garros. Then we could have a Roger/Rafa semi, and it's been a while!

BaselineSmash
05-03-2009, 03:06 AM
Funny how Murray was at #4 but playing like the 'real' #3 in Miami and Indian Wells, but now on the clay Djoko is sliding to #4 and playing like the legit #3.

philosophicalarf
05-03-2009, 03:19 AM
Murray can only get number 2 before Roland Garros if he makes the Madrid final and Fed goes out first match.... I think (rankings are a pita!). Or Murray wins plus Fed goes out before the semis. Fed is only 1180 ahead of Murray now though, so after Roland Garros is fairly possible:

Murray is defending a Hamburg 3rd round (150) and RG 3rd round (150) = 300
Federer is defending the Hamburg final (700) and RG final (1400) = 2100

Thus Fed needs to outperform Murray by 620 points in these two events to stay ahead - pretty big ask. Say Murray makes quarters in both, he gets 750 points, Fed needs 1370 from the two (ie RG final + any hamburg result, RG semi + Hamburg final, RG quarter + win Hamburg). If Murray makes Madrid semi + RG quarters, 950pts, Fed needs 1570 (rg final + hamburg quarter, rg semi + hamburg final). Murray makes semis in both, Fed needs to make both finals.


ps some of this may be slightly or even completely wrong, I have had a fair amount to drink.

finishingmove
05-03-2009, 03:22 AM
link to new head commercial or it didn't happen.

Henry Kaspar
05-03-2009, 03:27 AM
I wonder when Roger loses his No. 2 position.

He' still been in 4 out of the 4 past grand slam finals.

sanshisan
05-03-2009, 03:29 AM
Funny how Murray was at #4 but playing like the 'real' #3 in Miami and Indian Wells, but now on the clay Djoko is sliding to #4 and playing like the legit #3.

Wrong - Novak is playing like the legit #2 on clay. :)

BaselineSmash
05-03-2009, 03:38 AM
Wrong - Novak is playing like the legit #2 on clay. :)

I meant for the calendar year. Federer was playing like the #2 on clay against Djoko, too bad for him his mentality is around #233.

Do you mean #2 on all surfaces?

sanshisan
05-03-2009, 03:42 AM
I meant for the calendar year. Federer was playing like the #2 on clay against Djoko, too bad for him his mentality is around #233.

Do you mean #2 on all surfaces?

I said - Novak is playing like #2 ON CLAY.

BaselineSmash
05-03-2009, 03:49 AM
I said - Novak is playing like #2 ON CLAY.

And I meant #3 ALL YEAR ROUND.

Djoko often looks like he has Fed's number on hardcourts, but let's not forget he was saved by a rain cloud from bringing out the 'sore throat' excuse in Rome.

Fed would be the claycourt #2 if his mental fortitude didn't resemble a vase that's been thrown off the Empire State Building and landed on top of the army recruitment booth in Times Square.

star
05-03-2009, 04:07 AM
Funny how Murray was at #4 but playing like the 'real' #3 in Miami and Indian Wells, but now on the clay Djoko is sliding to #4 and playing like the legit #3.

That is funny. :lol: :lol:

BIGMARAT
05-03-2009, 05:37 AM
I think for sure, Nole will get the number 2 ranking after wimbledon.

pica_pica
05-03-2009, 08:32 AM
At this point I don't think it matters who's no.3 or no.4.

From the perspective of Andy Murray, since he has done very well in the hard court season, he surely deserves getting to #3 for the first time. It is a reward of his effort on hard courts, but doesn't reflect his current performance on clay and isn't an indicator for further points gain on clay and grass courts.

From Novak's perspective, he knows he's doing well regardless of the rankings. I actually think he needs a week or two's dip to #4 to remind him the importance to keep on working and that he should not be lazy again in the off season. If he drops to #4 (very likely), I can only see more hunger coming out of him. Btw, he has passed Murray in the race already.

In reality I think they are competing to race to #2 and overtake Roger.

pica_pica
05-03-2009, 08:36 AM
Funny how Murray was at #4 but playing like the 'real' #3 in Miami and Indian Wells, but now on the clay Djoko is sliding to #4 and playing like the legit #3.

:yeah: Good observation

I think this is very common with WTA, right? Look at how Safina gets to #1. Fortunately in ATP, this is only happening to the #3 ranking among the top.

Sapeod
05-03-2009, 04:52 PM
Cool :cool: Nadal is probably going to win too :cool:

bobbynorwich
05-03-2009, 07:31 PM
Yep, it's official. Murray is number three as of May 11.

:worship::worship::worship:

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 07:41 PM
link to new head commercial or it didn't happen.

For those who haven't yet seen it:

wB0NF9c72GE

It's hilarious. :worship:

Lee
05-03-2009, 08:59 PM
For those who haven't yet seen it:

wB0NF9c72GE

It's hilarious. :worship:

finishingmove was referring to another commercial which is not on internet. So far, it's only showed on The Tennis Channel during Rome master

finishingmove
05-03-2009, 09:15 PM
yes, someone needs to rip that :bibcry:

GuiroNl
05-03-2009, 09:26 PM
Perhaps I'm one of the very few but I honestly don't think it's important that in a few weeks time Murray will be #3 and Djokovic will be #4. This is because (1) I think tournaments and tournament wins are more important than the rankings and this ranking switch doesn't change a whole lot in the draws of the tournaments and (2) the difference in ranking points between them is minimal (compare the gap between Murray/Djokovic and Del Potro) and they could very well change positions a couple of times before this battle is settled.

Of course it's always nicer to say that you are the #3 player in the world than to say that you are the #4 player in the world, but effectively it means nothing at this point in time.

Lee
05-03-2009, 10:14 PM
yes, someone needs to rip that :bibcry:

Here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxF5rSIU6l8

finishingmove
05-03-2009, 10:28 PM
Here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxF5rSIU6l8

thanks :worship:

funny guy this murray