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Which player is most mentally tough of Federer, Agassi, Sampras, Nadal?

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 08:27 AM
Who is the most mentally tough player out of Federer, Agassi, Sampras, Nadal?

BlueSwan
05-02-2009, 08:40 AM
Obviously it's either Sampras or Nadal. Agassi had a Sampras-complex and Federer has an even bigger Nadal-complex. Neither Sampras nor Nadal had complexes against anyone.

aferlo
05-02-2009, 08:54 AM
Probably Nadal. I agree that Agassi and Federer have a kind of complex with his main rival, but Sampras didn´t overcome so many matches that he should loose as Nadal does only due to his menttal strength.

General Suburbia
05-02-2009, 09:37 AM
Nadal. It's how he wins matches like the one against Nalbandian.

Andi-M
05-02-2009, 09:38 AM
1. Rafa
2. Pete
3. Agassi
4. Fed

Titi
05-02-2009, 09:39 AM
Rafa hands down

Action Jackson
05-02-2009, 09:49 AM
Nadal turns water into wine and then can turn it back into water, with the simple cry of vamos.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-02-2009, 10:00 AM
1. Rafa
2. Pete

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3= Agassi/ Federer

We have all seen Federer getting ten breakpoints against Nadal and dumping ten tame backhands into the net, followed by one Nadal breakpoint which he instantly takes. It's so weak that I actually cannot watch Federer/Nadal matches any more.

Bazooka
05-02-2009, 10:05 AM
Yeah, it's easy to forget how strong was Pete in the head department. He was fantastic.

However Rafa is the mind GOAT, not only because his comebacks, focus, BPs, etc, but because he is all the time computing, tinkering, evaluating percentage on shots from himself and the opponent, and that's why he can eventually defeat 63 62 guys that actually seem to be dominating him for most of the points.

I think we are underestimating Fed here, however.

groundstroke
05-02-2009, 10:25 AM
Another terrible poll, by a terrible poster, showing a frightening lack of knowledge when it comes to tennis and psychology, it really is incredible just how clueless people are in this forum when it comes to tennis.

My vote would have to go to Nadal, unlike the others, he doesn't let emotion affect his game, when he is angry, he hits his shots a little harder, but other than that he will always be consistent.

Federer's mental strength shouldn't be underrated, the amount of times he has been down 40-15 on his serve at 4-5 and come back to win the set is unbelievable - that's mental strength.

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 11:12 AM
Another terrible poll, by a terrible poster, showing a frightening lack of knowledge when it comes to tennis and psychology, it really is incredible just how clueless people are in this forum when it comes to tennis.


You think I didn't know who was going to win the poll?:rolleyes:
Look at my username:D

Now thats what I call clueless:o

JolánGagó
05-02-2009, 11:16 AM
Obviously Nadal, no discussion needed.

Next.

Commander Data
05-02-2009, 11:50 AM
Lets keep in mind that all these players are mentally though, otherwise you don't win so much (talent alone is not enough e.g. -> Safin).


Lets also not forget that Federer, for years, won the crucial points like a robot. He was very mental though those years.

that said: Rafa is clearly the thoughest, i have never seen something like that. followed by Sampras who regularly served asses when facing bp, agassi was good with older age but also had lots of mental collapses especially when younger. as a general comment. we can only judge from what we know. Rafa is still young while pete and agssi have completed their career. who knows how rafa reacts in his later years...


as for now:


1.rafa
2.pete
3.fed/agassi

thrust
05-02-2009, 11:53 AM
Too close to call?: Sampras, Nadal, Agassi, Roger

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 11:56 AM
Have you missed school, Nadulltard?

Most mentally tough... :lol:

FairWeatherFan
05-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Come back when Nadal proves himself to be the best clutch player in history, has a 14/18 winning record in grand slam finals, and wins a grand-slam quarterfinal whilst a father-figure is close to death in hospital, and then tell me that Nadal is mentally stronger than Sampras.
And no, I'm not saying this because I hate Nadal, though I know this board deems you as such if you don't bow down and kiss Nadal's feet.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 11:58 AM
nadal by a country mile, even his haters have to admit nadal's mental strength is out of this stratosphere!

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 12:01 PM
No.

The mentally toughest player in the history of the sport has a name and he's called Sampras.

jonathancrane
05-02-2009, 12:22 PM
Nadull
Tennis didn't exist before 2005. Vamos

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 12:30 PM
Come back when Nadal proves himself to be the best clutch player in history, has a 14/18 winning record in grand slam finals, and wins a grand-slam quarterfinal whilst a father-figure is close to death in hospital, and then tell me that Nadal is mentally stronger than Sampras.
And no, I'm not saying this because I hate Nadal, though I know this board deems you as such if you don't bow down and kiss Nadal's feet.

u do hate nadal and i think u hate him because ur a racist hatemonger, because nadal isnt an english speaking player u hate his guts, thats racism mate!

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 12:33 PM
No.

The mentally toughest player in the history of the sport has a name and he's called Sampras.

sampras was a mental midget. u just a nadal hater, and a racist hatemonger because of nadal's background. u come here EVERY DAY and spew ur vulgar hate towards him like u have nothing better to do in ur life than hate a person u dont even know!

finishingmove
05-02-2009, 12:39 PM
nadal has a federer complex.

either that or he just loves the drama, losing 2 sets per match at his last 2 slam meetings with clubfed.

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 12:44 PM
Did Federer ever play 5 sets in a Grand Slam Final apart from when he played Nadal?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
05-02-2009, 12:45 PM
Come back when Nadal proves himself to be the best clutch player in history, has a 14/18 winning record in grand slam finals, and wins a grand-slam quarterfinal whilst a father-figure is close to death in hospital, and then tell me that Nadal is mentally stronger than Sampras.
And no, I'm not saying this because I hate Nadal, though I know this board deems you as such if you don't bow down and kiss Nadal's feet.

The debate should really have been Pete v Rafa as the other two clearly do not measure up. Personally I would go for Nadal although Pete was rock solid mentally.

sphiie
05-02-2009, 01:03 PM
Nadal obviously. He's so mentally strong... wow!! This question shouldn't be asked.

ImmzB
05-02-2009, 01:05 PM
Rafel Nadal!

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 01:14 PM
Nadal obviously. He's so mentally strong... wow!! This question shouldn't be asked.

Thats why I asked it :devil:

Venle
05-02-2009, 01:24 PM
Rafa, no doubt about that

Burrow
05-02-2009, 01:36 PM
Nadal maybe, basically all he has is the mentality and speed and agility.

Sampras had much more talent, well, so do each of them.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:24 PM
I know I shouldn't reply to the obvious troll, but you can really tell the clowns in this thread who never saw tennis pre-2005. Let me know when Nadal is puking on the court in the fifth set at the U.S. Open and still manages to win like Sampras did against Corretja in 1996. Let me know when he pushes himself so far that he collapses from cramps and has to be literally carried off the court after winning a five setter in the Davis Cup like Sampras did against Chesnakov in 1995. Let me know when Nadal finds out his coach and close friend has inoperable cancer and has months to live and goes out the same day and wins a five setter against Djokovic or Murray (that would be the equivalent of playing Courier in 95) at the Australian Open. Let me know when he picks up a shin injury in the second round of a Grand Slam that prevents him from practicing for the rest of the tournament and requires he take painkillers so that he can play and then he goes on to win the whole thing like Sampras did at Wimbledon in 2000. Until then, there is no comparison here.

meihaditalab
05-02-2009, 02:33 PM
Nadal for sure. He is down in games like 0-40 and he'll make this unreal winner, or he'll get broken and then refocus and brake back.

rafa_maniac
05-02-2009, 02:33 PM
I know I shouldn't reply to the obvious troll, but you can really tell the clowns in this thread who never saw tennis pre-2005. Let me know when Nadal is puking on the court in the fifth set at the U.S. Open and still manages to win like Sampras did against Corretja in 1996. Let me know when he pushes himself so far that he collapses from cramps and has to be literally carried off the court after winning a five setter in the Davis Cup like Sampras did against Chesnakov in 1995. Let me know when Nadal finds out his coach and close friend has inoperable cancer and has months to live and goes out the same day and wins a five setter against Djokovic or Murray (that would be the equivalent of playing Courier in 95) at the Australian Open. Let me know when he picks up a shin injury in the second round of a Grand Slam that prevents him from practicing for the rest of the tournament and requires he take painkillers so that he can play and then he goes on to win the whole thing like Sampras did at Wimbledon in 2000. Until then, there is no comparison here.

Wait, so in order to be deemed mentally tough you have to overcome disastrous physical or personal impediments? :lol:

Art&Soul
05-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Yep Nadull is the less talented player out of four. That's the right answer for this obvious troll :)

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Nadal makes Federer look like a wimp, that is the ultimate insult to a male. Federer can keep his beautiful swan-like (if error prone) groundstrokes and his fluffy white cardigan :D

SaFed2005
05-02-2009, 03:25 PM
Why are Agassi and Federer even in the poll?
Its really between Nadal and Sampras.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Wait, so in order to be deemed mentally tough you have to overcome disastrous physical or personal impediments? :lol:

Yes. Every pro has won five setters before. What separates Sampras from the rest is that he won five setters while battling through intense physical and emotional pain when most players would have given up.

crude oil
05-02-2009, 04:04 PM
:haha:

:haha:

this thread will need to be bumped many times this year.

Mateya
05-02-2009, 05:07 PM
Until last year I was sure Federror is mentaly one of the toughest players ever. However, everything turned upside down this year.
He is actualy quite mediocre and in the times when he was winning everything easily he really didn't need to be so mentaly tough.

To answer the question: Nadal and Sampras.
Closely followed by Gasquet, PHM and Seppi.
:wavey:

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 05:08 PM
u do hate nadal and i think u hate him because ur a racist hatemonger, because nadal isnt an english speaking player u hate his guts, thats racism mate!

sampras was a mental midget. u just a nadal hater, and a racist hatemonger because of nadal's background. u come here EVERY DAY and spew ur vulgar hate towards him like u have nothing better to do in ur life than hate a person u dont even know!

I think you might be legally retarded.

If I were racist and had problems with people who can't speak English, I'd have a real problem with you.

Happily, I'm not racist.

You might be a racist, though, to project it onto other people.

tennizen
05-02-2009, 05:19 PM
I know I shouldn't reply to the obvious troll, but you can really tell the clowns in this thread who never saw tennis pre-2005. Let me know when Nadal is puking on the court in the fifth set at the U.S. Open and still manages to win like Sampras did against Corretja in 1996. Let me know when he pushes himself so far that he collapses from cramps and has to be literally carried off the court after winning a five setter in the Davis Cup like Sampras did against Chesnakov in 1995. Let me know when Nadal finds out his coach and close friend has inoperable cancer and has months to live and goes out the same day and wins a five setter against Djokovic or Murray (that would be the equivalent of playing Courier in 95) at the Australian Open. Let me know when he picks up a shin injury in the second round of a Grand Slam that prevents him from practicing for the rest of the tournament and requires he take painkillers so that he can play and then he goes on to win the whole thing like Sampras did at Wimbledon in 2000. Until then, there is no comparison here.

One word for you: Fanboi

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 05:22 PM
One word for you: Fanboi

Are YOU really saying that?

Pot calling kettle black.

brunocitron
05-02-2009, 05:29 PM
Glenn I guess your are ugly as a ass.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 05:29 PM
One word for you: Fanboi

What a cogent counter argument. I bet you were the best guy on your school's debate team.

tennizen
05-02-2009, 05:37 PM
What a cogent counter argument. I bet you were the best guy on your school's debate team.

Girl. Best girl.

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 05:37 PM
Glenn I guess your are ugly as a ass.

Quite the contrary. I'm very pretty.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 05:38 PM
Girl. Best girl.

That explains a lot.

tennizen
05-02-2009, 05:38 PM
That explains a lot.

I knew it would.

RagingLamb
05-02-2009, 05:38 PM
Peter was mentally toughest

heya
05-03-2009, 01:22 AM
Not the best last 3 years of his boring career. 1 saving grace was when his granted wish for injured and ass-kissing opponents helped Sampras look heroic..

McEnroe went down after 1984 too. Tears were shed by Tatum O'Neal.

«Ivan»
05-03-2009, 01:38 AM
i'd say sampras.rafa is still in teen tennis years.

federernadalfan
05-03-2009, 01:40 AM
rafa

andylovesaustin
05-03-2009, 02:05 AM
I'd say Rafa and Pete are tied... then Andre. Maybe Rafa, Pete, Andre are all tied ? !

And then...................

Roger of these players....

jenanun
05-03-2009, 02:08 AM
sampras or rafa

rafa is so incredible because he could be so tough mentally at such a young age.

and for sampras, no explanation needed...

both are in a different league to agassi or fed

andylovesaustin
05-03-2009, 02:13 AM
sampras or rafa

rafa is so incredible because he could be so tough mentally at such a young age.

and for sampras, no explanation needed...

both are in a different league to agassi or fed

I dunno. I think Andre had to be plenty mentally tough to make a come-back. Plus, Andre--not Pete--has a career grand slam.

So.. I think Andre is right up there with Rafa and Pete.

Macbrother
05-03-2009, 02:16 AM
No.

The mentally toughest player in the history of the sport has a name and he's called Sampras.

Were that the case he wouldn't have completely folded in the '92 US Open final. He's in the discussion, but best, no.

Of the four, obviously Pistol Pete and Nadal. Neither Sampras nor Nadal virtually ever beat themselves, if you want to beat either of them you had/have to overwhelm them with sheer game. Neither blink on break points and always save their best for the clutch. That's mental toughness, and honestly I don't see a way to differentiate between the two of them in that department.

Federer typically underrated in this area and judged more on his recent play but during his time he was not to be fucked with as well, though I wouldn't put him at the highest echelon.

vamosinator
05-03-2009, 03:18 AM
Has Federer ever played a 5-setter in a Grand Slam Final apart from those v Nadal?

BaselineSmash
05-03-2009, 03:19 AM
Get Mathieu on there and you have a list.

For all his failings, he always comes back for more.

finishingmove
05-03-2009, 03:20 AM
One word for you: Fanboi

What a cogent counter argument. I bet you were the best guy on your school's debate team.

Girl. Best girl.

That explains a lot.

I knew it would.

:lol:

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 03:21 AM
Has Federer ever played a 5-setter in a Grand Slam Final apart from those v Nadal?

No, has Rafa done so so far except against Roger? Oh, wait... :p

vamosinator
05-03-2009, 03:24 AM
Mathieu comes back for more?

vamosinator
05-03-2009, 03:27 AM
No, has Rafa done so so far except against Roger? Oh, wait... :p

Point is, Federer wasn't tested mentally in the tightest of circumstances until he met Nadal. So he really never prove himself to be mentally tough because guys like Roddick never asked him the question, never made him go 5. In the Wimbledon Final 2007 when Federer beat Nadal it was Nadal's quad injury that lowered Nadal's level, and apart from that Nadal has won all their 5-setters.

Sunset of Age
05-03-2009, 03:34 AM
Point is, Federer wasn't tested mentally in the tightest of circumstances until he met Nadal. So he really never prove himself to be mentally tough because guys like Roddick never asked him the question, never made him go 5. In the Wimbledon Final 2007 when Federer beat Nadal it was Nadal's quad injury that lowered Nadal's level, and apart from that Nadal has won all their 5-setters.

Another proof that you haven't been watching tennis before 2005 or so.
Might I remind you that it might just have been that Roger was that GOOD at that time, that he 'never got tested' before? That he's 5 years older than Rafa, which is indeed a 'tennis generation's' age? That it's quite remarkable that he's still there to compete in GS finals, whereas all of his generation's fellows have quite left the building by now? Oh, I understand... I guess it was a 'weak era', eh? Well, what do you call Rafa's clay court opponents right now, then? :shrug:
BTW, Rafa's 'injury' in that 2007 final is a lame excuse, only brought up by tardish fans as he himself claimed it had nothing to do with his loss in that final. A statement for which I actually truly honour Rafa, if you haven't found out by now... ;)

star
05-03-2009, 03:49 AM
Anybody who has been at the top of the game for 5 years is mentally tough. It's not really possible to say who is the toughest. All the greats have "beaten themselves" on occasion.

As for Nadal being a whole tennis generation behind Federer, I sort have to disagree. That's true in age, but in reality, Nadal has been challenging Federer for four years or more. The other guys in Nadal's age generation came up to the top just in the last year. So, I'd say the gap in actually playing years is less than five. Although that really a very small point. It's just a point that sometimes gets twisted around for different purposes.

JoshDragon
05-03-2009, 04:00 AM
Obviously it's either Sampras or Nadal. Agassi had a Sampras-complex and Federer has an even bigger Nadal-complex. Neither Sampras nor Nadal had complexes against anyone.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think Nadal is mentally the toughest but Sampras, is right up there with him.

vamosinator
05-03-2009, 04:20 AM
Another proof that you haven't been watching tennis before 2005 or so.
Might I remind you that it might just have been that Roger was that GOOD at that time, that he 'never got tested' before? That he's 5 years older than Rafa, which is indeed a 'tennis generation's' age? That it's quite remarkable that he's still there to compete in GS finals, whereas all of his generation's fellows have quite left the building by now? Oh, I understand... I guess it was a 'weak era', eh? Well, what do you call Rafa's clay court opponents right now, then? :shrug:
BTW, Rafa's 'injury' in that 2007 final is a lame excuse, only brought up by tardish fans as he himself claimed it had nothing to do with his loss in that final. A statement for which I actually truly honour Rafa, if you haven't found out by now... ;)

You just proved my point, Federer was so good that he never had to play the pressure of a close 5 set in a big match. The pressure a player faces in that situation is different to a 4th set. You have insurance in the 4th set of knowing that if you lose it you haven't lost the match. Surely you understand the difference. You can get emotional if you want but I saw Wimbledon 2007 and Nadal wasn't moving with his normal decisiveness in that 5th set, clearly hampered. It isn't an excuse, its just on record as occurring. I don't accuse Federer's fans of using 'excuses' when they say Nadal only beats Federer because Federer is mentally scared.

TheBoiledEgg
05-03-2009, 12:15 PM
Lendl

rafa_maniac
05-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Yes. Every pro has won five setters before. What separates Sampras from the rest is that he won five setters while battling through intense physical and emotional pain when most players would have given up.

Sure, that's the way that Sampras succesfully demonstrated his mental toughness, but it doesn't mean it's the ONLY way.

Vida
05-03-2009, 01:14 PM
yes I would say Sampras of these, though Nadal comes close second.

Jimnik
05-03-2009, 01:41 PM
Nadal

thrust
05-03-2009, 02:19 PM
I know I shouldn't reply to the obvious troll, but you can really tell the clowns in this thread who never saw tennis pre-2005. Let me know when Nadal is puking on the court in the fifth set at the U.S. Open and still manages to win like Sampras did against Corretja in 1996. Let me know when he pushes himself so far that he collapses from cramps and has to be literally carried off the court after winning a five setter in the Davis Cup like Sampras did against Chesnakov in 1995. Let me know when Nadal finds out his coach and close friend has inoperable cancer and has months to live and goes out the same day and wins a five setter against Djokovic or Murray (that would be the equivalent of playing Courier in 95) at the Australian Open. Let me know when he picks up a shin injury in the second round of a Grand Slam that prevents him from practicing for the rest of the tournament and requires he take painkillers so that he can play and then he goes on to win the whole thing like Sampras did at Wimbledon in 2000. Until then, there is no comparison here.
GREAT POST!! RAFA IS PRETTY CLOSE THOUGH

superslam77
05-03-2009, 02:24 PM
Which player is most mentally tough of Federer, Agassi, Sampras, Nadal? (tardish trolling gloating thread)

why not Which player has best a service of Federer, Agassi, Sampras, Nadal?

MacTheKnife
05-03-2009, 03:22 PM
1-Sampras, 2-Federer, 3-Nadal, 4-Agassi - that is as of now. The top two together compiled 10 years at #1. Nadal has 1, we'll eventually know how mentally tough he really is, but we really don't know yet.

andylovesaustin
05-03-2009, 03:34 PM
Nadal... I don't know. I think he's tied with Sampras for mental toughness.

What surprises me is that people don't give more credit to Andre? Andre could have just gone away, but he had the fortitude to come back.

To me, a person's mental toughness should ALSO be measured by how they respond to defeat.. or in bad times. Andre responded pretty well, I think.

I'm waiting for Roger to respond that well.

star
05-03-2009, 04:05 PM
.

To me, a person's mental toughness should ALSO be measured by how they respond to defeat.. or in bad times. Andre responded pretty well, I think.


Nice point. I think the thread has been more about mental toughness in matches, but you are right that it's also about dealing with the adversity of illness and injury and family etc. Coming back from defeat is difficult when a player has been at the top. As much as I didn't like Sampras, he showed resilience in coming back to win the USO after such a long streak of not winning tournaments. Agassi also showed guts and determination.

But we only talk of people at the top who are incredibly gifted in addition to being dedicated. Let's also give a tip of the hat to the journey men who at the most can hope to hole a MM trophy high.

rocketassist
05-03-2009, 06:25 PM
Pete is the toughest mentally there ever was.

Mimi
05-04-2009, 06:47 AM
rafa and Sampras:cool:

vamosinator
05-04-2009, 07:14 AM
Remember 1999 French Open Final. Agassi down 2 sets to love v Medvedev. Agassi sitting at change of ends as memories of him losing 1990 and 1991 French Open Finals flood his mind:o

desigundah
05-04-2009, 08:32 AM
I love Federer, but his mental toughness is a joke. Federer is an infant when it comes to mental toughness. He cant handle adversity at all. The reasons why he had those years where he dominated was because he was so much better/talented than the rest of the field. Federer barely in his career has overcome situations where his backs been against the wall against equally/more talented player. Nadal has made a living doing this. Federer never has been good from coming from behind, but now he's not even a dominant front runner. If there was a picture of mental strenght in the dictionary, it would be Rafa. His game is based on mental strenght. No one in the game compares to him, and honestly theres probably only a handful of guys in the history of sport to have the mental toughness he does.