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Gustavo Kuerten(2000) vs Novak Djokovic(2009), who wins?

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 12:18 AM
On all surfaces.

Kuerten had a superb attacking game on clay while Djokovic, certainly recently, has played his best tennis on the red stuff.

On hard courts while Guga never won a slam, he won the TMC and beat guys like Sampras, Hewitt and Agassi. Djokovic's best scalps are Federer, Nadal and Murray. Close to call.

On grass Guga reached the last eight at Wimbledon while Djokovic has reached the last four, albeit in a weaker grass era.

Who would dominate this match up on surfaces, ability and tactics?

Arkulari
05-02-2009, 12:18 AM
on clay: Guga
on hard: Djoker
on grass: right now, with the slower courts, Guga ;)

so, to me, it's 2-1 Guga :)

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 12:20 AM
Guga would never beat Faker on grass.

He'd beat him on hard courts, though.

I gotta say it's a bit of heresy comparing them.

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 12:22 AM
Guga would never beat Faker on grass.

He'd beat him on hard courts, though.

I gotta say it's a bit of heresy comparing them.

Agreed. Guga is better by a distance, I did a thread with Rios and Rafito a while back and everyone said Nadal would always win.. current eratards are the most annoying tard at the moment.

Har-Tru
05-02-2009, 12:24 AM
Clay: Kuerten.
Hard: Djokovic.
Grass: Djokovic.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-02-2009, 12:24 AM
Not because I´m Brazilian but the Guga of 2000/2001 could have a chance to beat even Federer of 2004/2005 in a Master Series in a Hard Court. Cincinatti 2001 and Masters 2000 were very strong performances.

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 12:27 AM
Guga beat Sampras and Agassi on hard courts.

He'd school Faker.

Beating clowns like Ferrer is absolutely different. Weak era.

jonathancrane
05-02-2009, 12:30 AM
Kuerten on clay obviously
On HC i'm not so sure 50-50
On the shit grass of today Kuerten too

luie
05-02-2009, 12:31 AM
With the slowing down of HC guga would have the necessary time for his BH so I could see him beating fakervic.

jonathancrane
05-02-2009, 12:32 AM
Guga beat Sampras and Agassi on hard courts.

He'd school Faker.

Beating clowns like Ferrer is absolutely different. Weak era.

Ferrer is not a clown

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 12:32 AM
Slow hardcourts are not advantageous to either player in my opinion.

Last thing Djokovic likes are quick courts that stop him playing his baseline grind game.

Caralimon
05-02-2009, 12:32 AM
Kuerten would be lucky to win a set off Djokovic on grass. It was common knowledge he didn't like the surface.

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 12:33 AM
Kuerten would be lucky to win a set off Djokovic on grass. It was common knowledge he didn't like the surface.

Yeah and Djokovic is stellar on grass. He moves on it like it's quicksand.

Guga would probably do well in this weak grass era if he played in it now.

luie
05-02-2009, 12:38 AM
Slow hardcourts are not advantageous to either player in my opinion.

Last thing Djokovic likes are quick courts that stop him playing his baseline grind game.
You are probably right but I was looking at it from Guga perspective.

Arkulari
05-02-2009, 12:43 AM
Grass in 2000 is way different than the grass of 2009, Guga would have done it well in there with the current speed ;)

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 12:46 AM
Ferrer is not a clown

Wrong.

Major clown.

shotgun
05-02-2009, 12:53 AM
Guga never took grass seriously anyway, well maybe he did for the first few years of his career (even managed a QF at Wimbly in '99), but skipping it to prepare for the second half of the season was the norm. He hardly played any optionals like Queen's either.

So even if they were from the same generation it would be unlikely that they would ever meet on grass.

Johnny Groove
05-02-2009, 12:57 AM
Guga would destroy him on clay every time, while hardcourts would be a bit tougher to call. If its a faster court or even an indoor surface, I'd probably give the slight edge to Djokovic. A slower hardcourt would be 50-50.

I think Guga could use his BH DTL to expose Djokovic on any surface, though.

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 12:58 AM
Wrong.

Major clown.

Bit harsh considering the likes of Boredo are competing with him for a spot in the Spain DC squad.

Arkulari
05-02-2009, 01:06 AM
hell no, I'd take Pics over Boredo ANY day :eek:

luie
05-02-2009, 01:07 AM
I'll take pics over boredo,si-pusher,mugfils anyday.

Guga_fan
05-02-2009, 01:07 AM
I will consider Djokovic's form in early 2008, since he was much better than in 2009
Clay: Guga would school Djokovic
Hard: Djokovic would have a slight edge
Grass: Djokovic would win convincingly

Against 2009 Djokovic, Guga would win on all surfaces.

Clay Death
05-02-2009, 01:22 AM
Guga would destroy him on clay every time, while hardcourts would be a bit tougher to call. If its a faster court or even an indoor surface, I'd probably give the slight edge to Djokovic. A slower hardcourt would be 50-50.

I think Guga could use his BH DTL to expose Djokovic on any surface, though.


i am not too sure about that Groove Dude. Djokovic is not exactly a slob on grass. the guy is just 21 so we know he is going to get a lot better.

are we comparing a 20-21 year old against Guga at 24-25?

also its sort of misleading as to how good Djokovic is. just look who is in front of him. 2 of the greatest players ever to play are in front of him.

Murray is not exactly chopped liver either. the guy has shown some real ability.

Hendu
05-02-2009, 01:30 AM
These threads are useless...

Kuerten in 2000, lost to the likes of Sebastien Lareau and Wayne Arthurs on hard and of Kucera, Puerta and Chela on Clay.

That is to show that Kuerten could beat Djokovic or lose against him, on any surface.
And you can change the name of the players, and the previous sentence would still be right.

And if you wanted to imagine what would happen if both were in their best day of tennis... it would be absurd, because the only things that are important in this sport are the match ups. The rest is BS.

rocketassist
05-02-2009, 01:34 AM
These threads are useless...

Kuerten in 2000, lost to the likes of Sebastien Lareau and Wayne Arthurs on hard and of Kucera, Puerta and Chela on Clay.

That is to show that Kuerten could beat Djokovic or lose against him, on any surface.
And you can change the name of the players, and the previous sentence would still be right.

And if you wanted to imagine what would happen if both were in their best day of tennis... it would be absurd, because the only things that are important in this sport are the match ups. The rest is BS.

It's not about who would win a match, it's about who would dominate a theoretical h2h between the two players.

Exactly it's about match ups, and seeing how Djokovic could attack Guga's forehand and Guga's backhand dtl being a weapon.

Tennis has plenty of theory and if you don't like it, don't post in those threads.

Hendu
05-02-2009, 01:49 AM
It's not about who would win a match, it's about who would dominate a theoretical h2h between the two players.

Exactly it's about match ups, and seeing how Djokovic could attack Guga's forehand and Guga's backhand dtl being a weapon.

Tennis has plenty of theory and if you don't like it, don't post in those threads.

Thats not theory, thats just speculation on a ridiculously simplified view of tennis.

Pretending to imagine the result of a head to head, only considering the technical aspects of the game of the players, when the psicological and physical aspects that take a role in every match are equally or more important, won't take you to any "close to reality" answer.
Thats what makes these kind of threads a game of guessing winners of never to be played matches. Useless threads.

But have fun.

I am free to post in the threads I don't like, thank you.

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 01:49 AM
:lol:

You came back firing, hermano. :lol:

Hendu
05-02-2009, 02:00 AM
:lol:

You came back firing, hermano. :lol:

It's been a long abstinence, you know... :lol:

Ilovetheblues_86
05-02-2009, 02:01 AM
Thats not theory, thats just speculation on a ridiculously simplified view of tennis.

Pretending to imagine the result of a head to head, only considering the technical aspects of the game of the players, when the psicological and physical aspects that take a role in every match are equally or more important, won't take you to any "close to reality" answer.
Thats what makes these kind of threads a game of guessing winners of never to be played matches. Useless threads.

But have fun.

I am free to post in the threads I don't like, thank you.

And in a videogame, which player would be better? Does it depend on the nationality of the programmers? Another tough question

Hendu
05-02-2009, 02:08 AM
And in a videogame, which player would be better?

What kind of question is that?

I'm not trying to be mean, but come on!

Ilovetheblues_86
05-02-2009, 02:12 AM
What kind of question is that?

I'm not trying to be mean, but come on!

:D

Indians would probably make Guga better.

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 02:16 AM
It's been a long abstinence, you know... :lol:

Just take it easy, mate. GM isn't what it used to be anymore.

What kind of question is that?

I'm not trying to be mean, but come on!

He's crazy, cut him some slack. :p

fast_clay
05-02-2009, 02:43 AM
I think Wayne Arthurs 2009 would have been ultra damaging vs 2009 top 10...

finishingmove
05-02-2009, 02:54 AM
:D

Indians would probably make Guga better.

racism

Ilovetheblues_86
05-02-2009, 03:03 AM
racism

I mistook Bangalore and Amazonas indians sry.:eek:

Serenidad
05-02-2009, 03:12 AM
Ferrer is not a clown

:spit: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. POST OF THE YEAR.

philosophicalarf
05-02-2009, 04:39 AM
Kuerten 2000 had two good hard court tournaments. He also lost to Tim Henman in Cincinatti, and went out first round in both hard court slams.

Lest we forget, this wasn't some mythical era of giants either. Magnus Norman was world number 2 at this time, and Nic Kiefer number4. The US Open was won by a 14yr old Marat Safin.


Djokovic would win comfortably on hard, and lose comfortably on clay.