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Rome QF: Nadal def. Verdasco 6-3 6-3

EnriqueIG8
05-01-2009, 05:56 PM
Some entertaining forehand to forehand rallies but Nadal was just too consistent again. It was competitive at 3-3 in the first and 2-2 in the second but the winner was never in doubt.

federernadalfan
05-01-2009, 05:57 PM
too easy

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 05:57 PM
This Nando is a fucking joke, fuck you Nando!

rhinooooo
05-01-2009, 05:58 PM
Disappointing match really. Neither at their best. Rafa looked poor in the first few games, started playing safer, and Nando made the errors on the big points. He played an absolute shocker to get broken in the 2nd set.

Pretty easy in the end for Rafa. Up against Pico or Gonzo next.

l_mac
05-01-2009, 05:58 PM
Horredous match. Dreadful play from both.

Hope Nando is okay, it looked like he was crying when the physio was working on his knee.

rafa_maniac
05-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Those "6-3 6-2 if I play an awful match" pics should be in full swing in this thread. Uninspired from Nadal, but just enough to win and win without too many hassles. Some good stuff from Nando but wildly inconsistent. Hope the injury tweak isn't serious :awww: :hug:

sphiie
05-01-2009, 05:59 PM
Congrats' Rafa ! It was a tough match... Fernando made 20 winners and Rafael did only 6...

Rafael in semi final, that's the point. :)

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 06:00 PM
PAthetic match, Nando should be beating Blanka on clay.

kafemotor
05-01-2009, 06:01 PM
I just can say, Nadal knows how to play Nando... The result is inevitable...

ossie
05-01-2009, 06:02 PM
PAthetic match, Nando should be beating Blanka on clay.
:haha:

SaFed2005
05-01-2009, 06:03 PM
"6-3, 6-2 If I play bad." - Nadal

kingfederer
05-01-2009, 06:03 PM
im worried about the djokovic threat to rafa at roland garros, djoko is in top form.

Nacho
05-01-2009, 06:04 PM
hope nando's injury is nothing serious and he'll be ok for his home tourney...

MrChopin
05-01-2009, 06:05 PM
W/UE
Rafa: 6/20
Nando: 20/47

I http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticon-critic/hug-and-kiss/images/heart_glasses.gif clay!

SaFed2005
05-01-2009, 06:06 PM
im worried about the djokovic threat to rafa at roland garros, djoko is in top form.

Djoko can only keep up with Nadal for 1 set. He has absolutely no chance vs. Nadal in a 3 out of 5 set match. He can't stay focused for that long. He cannot keep up with Nadal in a 5 set match mentally or physically. Nadal is just too good. SICKKKKK defense. You need to hit like 20 amazing shots in a row jut to win one point.

kingfederer
05-01-2009, 06:07 PM
its pigeon if its 5 differential in h2h, what is 10 differential in h2h? what is 15?

anon57
05-01-2009, 06:07 PM
PAthetic match, Nando should be beating Blanka on clay.:spit:Based on what:rolls:

Not a great match from either player but good enough from Nadal to get the win.:hug:Poor Nando, hope the knee is ok.

rafa_maniac
05-01-2009, 06:08 PM
im worried about the djokovic threat to rafa at roland garros, djoko is in top form.

I'm not so worried about RG, but I wouldn't be surprised if Novak managed to defend his title here.

rofe
05-01-2009, 06:10 PM
Nadal didn't play very well but was a wall on big points and made Nando self-destruct. I guess Nando can include himself in the group of players that get a lot of BPs against Nadal but can't convert enough.

Har-Tru
05-01-2009, 06:11 PM
Pretty bad match from both players. Nadal's 6/20 winners/UEs ratio is just mind-boggling for him. Here's to hoping Nando is ok for Madrid.

Iván
05-01-2009, 06:13 PM
I am starting to get fed up with this.

SOMEONE BEAT HIM!

rocketassist
05-01-2009, 06:13 PM
6 winners for Nadal, and people moan when it's said his clay game is about retrieval?

rafa_maniac
05-01-2009, 06:17 PM
6 winners for Nadal, and people moan when it's said his clay game is about retrieval?

Because if there's one thing Glenn has taught us, it's that Rafa plays the exact same every match :yeah:

Ackms421
05-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Nadal played plenty good enough to win, but having said that, it was an extremely poor match when compared with his matches against Seppi and Soderling.

I'm not sure how he can play an incredible match like the one against Soderling and then come back a day later and play (relatively) like crap. Maybe he is so familiar with Verdasco that he did only what he had to do to win--felt no danger.

In any case, he is winning the title here.

Stefanos13
05-01-2009, 06:18 PM
Glad that Nadal won, but not great performance. Still, something seems to bother him – appears a bit more rattled than normal.

Also, I don't understand why he plays further and further back with every match. Clearly that allows for one kind of game: the defensive game. And today it was 80% defense – or it seemed that way anyway.

Corey Feldman
05-01-2009, 06:19 PM
riveting stuff i'd imagine

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 06:21 PM
The Future of Tennis was competitive for 3 and a half games against Cassius of Clay.

CyBorg
05-01-2009, 06:24 PM
Nadal's too smart. He knows that the key for him is to stay patient and wait for Verdasco to begin making errors.

A focused Verdasco is a tough player, but he is incapable of staying that way throughout the match. Inevitably he begins to break down. This is not a criticism against him, but the reality - actually a basic truth about 99.9% of players who are not Nadal. When they play one another we don't notice this as much, because the quantum shifts in harmony and disharmony occur reciprocally. When Nadal is out there against one of these players he just remains steady, exposing the opponent's mistakes.

Knowing this, players come into the match revved up to do their best and, as is the case here, they sometimes look as good or even better than Nadal for a few games, while Nadal may start off a bit rusty. However the opponent is almost never able to maintain that level, while Nadal gradually improves his.

Nadal looked a bit fatigued, beat up in this match. You can see that playing in three events in as many weeks has its toll. However he still gets everything back and, oddly enough, Verdasco is the one to get hurt. It's a shame too, because Nando has all the tools to be a clay contender, but he's not tough like Corretja, Costa, even Mantilla. Where are those blue-collar warriors now? Extinct? I can understand that guys don't have the mental toughness to challenge Nadal, but they should at least be able to stay out there and compete physically. This is not even best-of-five, for goodness sake.

vamosinator
05-01-2009, 06:25 PM
Why is Verdasco called "the future of tennis"? Isn't he 26 lata this year? :rolleyes:

gusman890
05-01-2009, 06:26 PM
Grinding match for sure.

Nadal did what he had to win the match. And some of the those errors on BPs from Verdasco...enough said.

Branimir
05-01-2009, 06:29 PM
Nadal with this game can't win RG.

vamosinator
05-01-2009, 06:30 PM
^^ Nor can Djokovic with his game and Federer with his game...

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 06:31 PM
The future has arrived. In your face Glenn! :)

Fernando THE REAL DEAL Vedasco, in your faces haters :D

This Nando is a fucking joke, fuck you Nando!

I am confused. :confused: Or maybe you are. :lol:

tennizen
05-01-2009, 06:31 PM
Nadal with this game can't win RG.

Tsonga will clinch it this year.

betowiec
05-01-2009, 06:32 PM
rafa is unstoppable

vamosinator
05-01-2009, 06:32 PM
Can't wait for Wimbledon...

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 06:37 PM
Tsonga will clinch it this year.

Or Blake.

10nisfan
05-01-2009, 06:39 PM
This Nadull is Good in Winning Matches where his Opponents have More Winners than Him...:lol:

He pounds on them to self-destruction...:worship:

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 06:58 PM
:spit:Based on what:rolls:

Not a great match from either player but good enough from Nadal to get the win.:hug:Poor Nando, hope the knee is ok.

Did you see what Nando did when he went ahead? He hit the ball straight at Blanka! He was trying to lose!

sphiie
05-01-2009, 07:01 PM
Rafael's game today was so poor... but he still managed to win in 2 sets. A win is a win. I hope that against his next opponent, he will raised his level like in his Soderling's match.

Vamos Rafa !

ChinoRios4Ever
05-01-2009, 07:06 PM
Too good, this Nadal

Kudos to the "Future of tennis" for ending the match when he was really in pain

aferlo
05-01-2009, 07:11 PM
Not a good match. Perhaps they know each other too much, or Verdasco was hitting the ball very hard, but Nadal´s game was far from yesterdays. I´m sure he will recover confidence tomorrow, but his performance raises some questions about his possibilities in this championship, but not in RG.

10nisfan
05-01-2009, 07:17 PM
Too good, this Nadal

Kudos to the "Future of tennis" for ending the match when he was really in pain

maybe if it would have been the Djoker whos having pain on the knee, maybe he would have called it quits at 6-3, 4-3, adv-40...:lol:

at least the Sauce finished the Match...

Sinerra
05-01-2009, 07:41 PM
I thought this was going to be an exciting match but it was kinda boring to watch.
Nadal didnt play very well. Lots of unforced errors.

I hope Verdasco is gonne be ok. It looked like he was in a lot of pain during the injury time out. It looked like he was about to cry :sad: I hope his injury isnt that bad

Howard
05-01-2009, 07:44 PM
Rafael's game today was so poor... but he still managed to win in 2 sets. A win is a win. I hope that against his next opponent, he will raised his level like in his Soderling's match.

Vamos Rafa !Rafa seems to play at whatever level required to win, especially on clay. If the other guy isn't playing great, he doesn't have to put out a lot of unnecessary effort. He just lets his opponent hit most of the winners and make most of the UEs, knowing that the UEs will dominate. Doesn't make for the best tennis, but it's a winning formula.

Caro159
05-01-2009, 07:46 PM
Congrats, Rafa :yeah:

Nando :hug: Hope his knee is ok, so he can play his home tournament next week.

Not his best match. But then again, this is another QF for him this year. He's playing very constantly lately, something he never did before this season.

CyBorg
05-01-2009, 08:27 PM
Congrats, Rafa :yeah:

Nando :hug: Hope his knee is ok, so he can play his home tournament next week.

Not his best match. But then again, this is another QF for him this year. He's playing very constantly lately, something he never did before this season.

Mardid is not next week. Next week is Estoril/Munich/Belgrade.

McAlistar
05-01-2009, 10:08 PM
I can barely remember Rafa hitting a winner yet he won quite easily, shows how inconsistent Versdasco is..

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 10:19 PM
Nando was in pain, couldn't focus really well :shrug:
Rafa did what he had to do and he didn't want to rip Nando a new one like he did to Toad ;)
Tomorrow is Feńa, let's see how close or how easy Rafa will win :)

sphiie
05-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Rafael's reaction after his match against Verdasco :

"Yesterday, the conditions were very different. The court was slow, the balls were heavy. There, nothing to do. I admit that I prefer to play in the today's conditions. But it is the change which is not evident. I had played very well against Soderling and there... I didn't played my best tennis. I made faults, especially in the second set. Many faults. The first set was ok. But after, honestly, I was lucky he (Verdasco) failed on the important points.

The big diference with yesterday, it's that I played more aggressive on difficult moments. And to be more aggressive, that's exactly what I have to do during the semi-final.

Today, I was 2 or 3 meters behind my line (la ligne de fond). I have to be more inside the court if i want to play better, don't you think? That's the trick. The most important thing for me at present."

Here en French : http://www.welovetennis.fr/masters-rome/11548-nadal-rentrer-dans-le-terrain-et-etre-plus-agressif

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 11:34 PM
Oh well, another good tournament for Nando. I hope his knee thing isn't too serious (he seems to be prone to small injuries that heal in like a week :D).

Can't read too much into a loss to Nadal on clay.

Guy Haines
05-02-2009, 01:21 AM
Rafael's reaction after his match against Verdasco :

"Yesterday, the conditions were very different. The court was slow, the balls were heavy. There, nothing to do. I admit that I prefer to play in the today's conditions. [/url]

Most peculiar. I thought the conditions were tailored specifically to Nadal's wishes at all times: slow courts and heavy balls.

Also peculiar that he says he prefers when the ball isn't so heavy on clay. More MTF wisdom out the window.

This was not a very good match. Outside of major finals (and sometimes in them) it's kinda common for the quality to crash after the same players have played a classic in their previous encounter.

Nadal is not anywhere near as aggressive or assured right now as he was at Roland Garros last year. That's some cause for concern. But this is Italy.

Verdasco hit some great forehands in a manner that at least showed how clueless Soderling is when it comes to using power. But that isn't enough on clay against the Nadal wall.

Arkulari
05-02-2009, 01:26 AM
Rafa likes to give OTHERS the heavy balls, that's why he hits with so much topspin, but as everyone else, he prefers to get lighter ones ;)

and as for the speed, as long as it is red clay, Rafa feels at home, no matter how slow or fast it is ;)

you're right, Rafa isn't bringing his A-game yet, but I guess he's learning to curb himself, to save his strength and power for when he needs them the most and that's a good thing on the long run, maybe he won't burn out so young :yeah:

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 01:30 AM
Not a good match. Perhaps they know each other too much, or Verdasco was hitting the ball very hard, but Nadal´s game was far from yesterdays. I´m sure he will recover confidence tomorrow, but his performance raises some questions about his possibilities in this championship, but not in RG.

He's about to win his 3 straight clay event by only dropping one set, it doesn't get better than that.

Clay Death
05-02-2009, 01:30 AM
Rafa likes to give OTHERS the heavy balls, that's why he hits with so much topspin, but as everyone else, he prefers to get lighter ones ;)

and as for the speed, as long as it is red clay, Rafa feels at home, no matter how slow or fast it is ;)

you're right, Rafa isn't bringing his A-game yet, but I guess he's learning to curb himself, to save his strength and power for when he needs them the most and that's a good thing on the long run, maybe he won't burn out so young :yeah:


actually his uncle said after Monte Carlo that his nephew was a little low on confidence.

his serve and his return game is way off. he has time to figure things out. winning usually cures all the ills.

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 01:32 AM
I don't think clay perfection is the goal of this year, this clay season is the chance for Nadal to rest his mind and not have to care for finding his best form, his best form is intended for the US Open this year.

Arkulari
05-02-2009, 01:34 AM
actually his uncle said after Monte Carlo that his nephew was a little low on confidence.

his serve and his return game is way off. he has time to figure things out. winning usually cures all the ills.

thanks for the info CD ;)

still, no matter what form (or mental condition) Rafa is in, he's untouchable on clay right now and I have absolute confidence in his abilities ;)

Clay Death
05-02-2009, 01:37 AM
I don't think clay perfection is the goal of this year, this clay season is the chance for Nadal to rest his mind and not have to care for finding his best form, his best form is intended for the US Open this year.


i dont think he thinks that far ahead. he is "living in the moment" type of a player.

also its clay that makes him as tough as he is. clay fine tunes his ground game and furnishes him with the confidence to spank the rest of the world not only clay but also on other surfaces.

clay is the wellspring from which he flows.

Clay Death
05-02-2009, 01:38 AM
thanks for the info CD ;)

still, no matter what form (or mental condition) Rafa is in, he's untouchable on clay right now and I have absolute confidence in his abilities ;)

affirmative.

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 01:49 AM
i dont think he thinks that far ahead. he is "living in the moment" type of a player.

also its clay that makes him as tough as he is. clay fine tunes his ground game and furnishes him with the confidence to spank the rest of the world not only clay but also on other surfaces.

clay is the wellspring from which he flows.

I don't mean he's looking at the US Open now I mean he knows the French Open isn't when he needs his best form to win, so he shouldn't care if he's not hitting the ball perfectly, he doesn't need to hit the ball perfectly. He's about to win his 3rd straight clay event and his fans are complaining, you have to get some perspective of whats important, winning or being perfect? Winning is all that matters. And I don't agree about the claycourt game finetuning his game for other surfaces, it didn't help the US Open in previous years and frankly I don't think it helped Wimbledon since the slice is a huge part of Wimbledon and plays no real part at RG (and the serve is the focus at Wimbledon, not so at RG).

Clay Death
05-02-2009, 02:06 AM
I don't mean he's looking at the US Open now I mean he knows the French Open isn't when he needs his best form to win, so he shouldn't care if he's not hitting the ball perfectly, he doesn't need to hit the ball perfectly. He's about to win his 3rd straight clay event and his fans are complaining, you have to get some perspective of whats important, winning or being perfect? Winning is all that matters. And I don't agree about the claycourt game finetuning his game for other surfaces, it didn't help the US Open in previous years and frankly I don't think it helped Wimbledon since the slice is a huge part of Wimbledon and plays no real part at RG (and the serve is the focus at Wimbledon, not so at RG).


negative. first of all, you need to believe what you want to believe.

secondly, its not all about a slice at Wimby. as far as slices go, he has one of the worst sliced backhands for a top player that i have ever seen.

so forget about the slice. that is not where its at old sport.

its the hightly tuned up ground game, the confidence, and the momentum that he carries straight to the grass at Wimbledon once he leaves Roland Garros. it all happens for him on clay. he just extends his ground game mastery to grass.

keep in mind that he doesnt exactly have the best serve around and his return game on quicker surfaces has been relatively weak for a top player.

so it has to be his ground game and his wheels and his relentless will. that is all he has to offer and it often proves to be more than enough for the opposition. his defense is air tight and his offense is in the deadly topspin off both wings. its relentless heavy topspin that never ends. and when on, he can pass you like a demon.

also topspin allows you create really sick angles.

now about the u.s open, he is usally spent and often injured by the time he arrives at flushing meadow. only he can fix that problem.

he did say that by the time he arrived at Flushing Meadow last year, he was nearly dead. i believe him.

one final word about grass: he has learned to make some adjustments on grass and he is also learning to return better on grass so that makes things a little more difficult for his opposition.

iSzavay.
05-02-2009, 02:10 AM
Too bad for Nando, not quite as exciting as the AO :p. Rafa is just so good though.

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 03:53 AM
A lot of Nadal fans are very ungrateful to admonish Nadal for not playing perfect. I personally just feel very grateful Nadal gives 100% and never gives up, that is something just about every other fan can't say about their favorite players.

Perfect can wait a few more years, this year is about peaking in September. This year is about reducing topspin and developing that flat backhand, not getting back into old habits of high net clearance. You have to understand the big picture before you criticize Nadal's clay game.

And if you still criticize you've got to accept that you aren't a true fan, more a fair-weather fan who only accepts perfection and doesn't accept nor understand what Nadal is trying to do this season; because this year isn't about the French Open.