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How good is Mischa Zverev?

Fumus
05-01-2009, 03:14 PM
Excellent touch, huge lefty serve.

Is he future top 10?

EnriqueIG8
05-01-2009, 03:15 PM
He doesn't have a "huge" serve in terms of speed but he places the ball very well.
I think he is a future top 20 but top 10? I don't know. If he becomes more consistent who knows.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 03:16 PM
This is like one of these threads I'll dig up in a couple years and we can see how everyone's predictions play out.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:17 PM
Great talent. Future top 10.

Action Jackson
05-01-2009, 03:19 PM
Knee jerk reaction thread.

Fumus, read this thread mate, it has the subject at hand mentioned.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=8422123&highlight=part#post8422123

habibko
05-01-2009, 03:19 PM
it's very early to judge, he has got a solid base for a great S&V game, his backhand, defence and return of serve could use much improvements, but his mental attitude is very impressive and already has good weapons like his serve, forehand and net play.

very refreshing player to watch :yeah: I wish him the best :D

Action Jackson
05-01-2009, 03:21 PM
At least he plays a different way and that is something to appreciate.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Knee jerk reaction thread.

Fumus, read this thread mate, it has the subject at hand mentioned.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=8422123&highlight=part#post8422123

I guess you might merge this thread with that but I sorta feel this one is more specific about Mischa and his future. It asks a specific question about ranking. I made a thread like this a few years ago after Ferrer caught my attention. Oh well...

AJ care to share some thoughts?

jazar
05-01-2009, 03:22 PM
no way top 10. he's a good player but i cant even see him getting top 20 unless he gets more pace on his groundstrokes

sammy01
05-01-2009, 03:23 PM
lol at this thread popping up because he took federer to a tiebreak. newsflash right now there are a lot of players that can compete with federer on clay and not all of them are gonna be great players.

DartMarcus
05-01-2009, 03:29 PM
Maybe top 40 at best.

its.like.that
05-01-2009, 03:32 PM
He's shit, just been on a lucky run.

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 03:35 PM
His game is pleasant to watch because he plays differently, but today S&V style won't cut a deal and his groudies are not as near as good to get away only with S&V. But he is still young and he might change his game-style or at least make improvements in other direction.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 03:45 PM
His game is pleasant to watch because he plays differently, but today S&V style won't cut a deal and his groudies are not as near as good to get away only with S&V. But he is still young and he might change his game-style or at least make improvements in other direction.

What about Stepanek? I think he's at least as talented as him probably more. He's more intriguing to me because I think he can do more than Stepanek can from the back of court. He plays good defense. Also, being a lefty is more trouble for opponents.

Fiberlight1
05-01-2009, 03:47 PM
As everyone else said, interesting style.. Not so sure on the mental strength though.. Kinda faded away after that 1st set TB

We'll see. My guess is top 20.

VolandriFan
05-01-2009, 03:48 PM
If you like serve and volley tennis, then option A.

For everyone else...

Har-Tru
05-01-2009, 03:51 PM
he's not a teenager anymore. Same age as Djokovic and Murray, older than Del Potro (all in the top 5 already). So, even if I loved his play today, I can't see him go higher than 20 or so.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 05:41 PM
he's not a teenager anymore. Same age as Djokovic and Murray, older than Del Potro (all in the top 5 already). So, even if I loved his play today, I can't see him go higher than 20 or so.

Patrick Rafter didn't win his first grand slam til' 25. Sometimes S&V players take longer to mature, it's a much more technical type of game. Especially in today's game with predominantly baseline only play. It doesn't matter though because I don't think Zverev has that far to go to become top 10. He's not missing that much.

Jimnik
05-01-2009, 05:48 PM
Too early to say. This could have just been one of those weeks. Hopefully not.

SheepleBuster
05-01-2009, 05:50 PM
Excellent touch, huge lefty serve.

Is he future top 10?

Gulbis 1.5. Might beat the likes of Blake and Berdych but will have trouble with the top guys.

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 05:50 PM
With the slow courts and heavy balls, a guy like Zverev has absolutely no chance of being at the ranking his talent should lead him to.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 05:51 PM
Gulbis 1.5. Might beat the likes of Blake and Berdych but will have trouble with the top guys.

Gulbis? Are you sure you are watching the same player?

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 05:54 PM
What about Stepanek? I think he's at least as talented as him probably more. He's more intriguing to me because I think he can do more than Stepanek can from the back of court. He plays good defense. Also, being a lefty is more trouble for opponents.

Stepanek is a different kind of an animal. He choses when to S&V and he is comfortable when rallying from the back of the court and he is a very canny player who can adopt to situations. At this point Mischa's baseline skills and defense are below Stepaneks. On the other hand quality of volleying is comparable, but he has not proved yet that he can sustain consistency at it in every match.

finishingmove
05-01-2009, 05:54 PM
40-60 at his peak

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 06:00 PM
Stepanek is a different kind of an animal. He choses when to S&V and he is comfortable when rallying from the back of the court and he is a very canny player who can adopt to situations. At this point Mischa's baseline skills and defense are below Stepaneks. On the other hand quality of volleying is comparable, but he has not proved yet that he can sustain consistency at it in every match.

Stepanek's game is 100% cunning. Don't know if Zverev will develop this kind of understanding of the game during his career.

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:05 PM
Stepanek's game is 100% cunning. Don't know if Zverev will develop this kind of understanding of the game during his career.

Stepanek is a unique player a la Santoro, no one can develop his game to mimic such unique games, and comparisons can't be accurate with these players.

I was most impressed with Zverev's mental attitude and composure, there is much room for improvements and I sure hope to see more of him.

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 06:10 PM
Stepanek is a unique player a la Santoro, no one can develop his game to mimic such unique games, and comparisons can't be accurate with these players.

I was most impressed with Zverev's mental attitude and composure, there is much room for improvements and I sure hope to see more of him.

Nah, Stepanek isn't so unorthodox. He's just a touch-based player, who plays on placement and strategy and not on power like 99% of the tour nowadays.

Santoro is a guy with a bizarre game, Stepanek is just old-school.

PiggyGotRoasted
05-01-2009, 06:17 PM
Top 4/5

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:25 PM
a touch-based player, who plays on placement and strategy and not on power like 99% of the tour nowadays.

which makes him unorthodox and unique mate ;) :rolleyes:

on a different note: Stich, Becker, Kiefer, Haas, Schuttler and now Zverev are all adept volleyers, is it something about the German school of tennis?

I sure prefer their brand of tennis over the Spanish one.

Caro159
05-01-2009, 06:57 PM
I was impressed with what I saw today, but this doesn't mean he's a future top10 player. If he can play like this all the time and develop his game, he's able to reach top30/top40.

But defenitely refreshing to see someone with a different style of play. I wish him well.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 07:05 PM
which makes him unorthodox and unique mate ;) :rolleyes:

on a different note: Stich, Becker, Kiefer, Haas, Schuttler and now Zverev are all adept volleyers, is it something about the German school of tennis?

I sure prefer their brand of tennis over the Spanish one.

You didn't know the game type by country?

German - Efficient and Technically precise

Spanish Speaking(Non-Argentine) - Grinding and Stamina

Argentine - Grinding and shot making

American - Power based

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 07:46 PM
Shittler can't volley.

Kohlschreiber is at best mediocre at volleying.

CooCooCachoo
05-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Top 20 potential, but I think he might not get there. I love his game though :worship: Have been a fan since 2004 and it's great to see him doing well on clay this week.

alfonsojose
05-01-2009, 08:26 PM
He looks kinda hot. Bulge pics anynone ?

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 08:27 PM
Zverev is Russian, isn't it?

MalwareDie
05-01-2009, 08:28 PM
Zverev is Russian, isn't it?

He was born in Moscow, so I'm assuming yes.

He moved to Germany at some point.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 08:44 PM
if people like Simon or Monfils reached top 10, why can't Mischa? ;)

MalwareDie
05-01-2009, 08:48 PM
if people like Simon or Monfils reached top 10, why can't Mischa? ;)

The courts are too slow and the balls are too heavy, resulting in even slower conditions.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 08:49 PM
I know, but Zverev is much better technically speaking than either Simon or Monfils, so with good results in important tournaments, he can reach top 10 ;)

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 08:56 PM
I think he will be the next GOAT. In fact i predict Fedfan 2007 will soon jump ship form the Blanka bandwagon and join Zverev.Blanka just needs to lose one more match.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 09:35 PM
if people like Simon or Monfils reached top 10, why can't Mischa? ;)

This is so true actually. It's so easy for players to get into the top 10 these days. Place decently at one of the GS and make a few TMS semis or finals and you're top 10 for shizzle. Back in my day people actually had to win tournements to be in the top 10...lol

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 10:19 PM
if people like Simon or Monfils reached top 10, why can't Mischa? ;)

Tennis nowadays doesn't reward ability and technique.

It only rewards grinding, moonballing and doping.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 10:21 PM
Tennis nowadays doesn't reward ability and technique.

It only rewards grinding, moonballing and doping.

So true. Tennis is truly dead.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 10:43 PM
So true. Tennis is truly dead.

I disagree. I don't like the old tennis.

serve. put away. serve. second serve. two shot rally ending in a forced error. serve.

Long live the new generation of the skill-less mug dopers. It's certainly more entertaining I think. If I wanna watch the tennis as described above I can a) watch the "classics" or b) go to any club level tennis match...which is usually quite similar depending on skill level.

NyGeL
05-01-2009, 11:14 PM
I think he won't finish this season as top 20.

PinkFeatherBoa
05-01-2009, 11:17 PM
Wow, did everyone just "discover" Zverev today or something? :lol:

I really enjoy watching him play, his style is certainly refreshing these days, I hope that one day he will be a top 20 player.

Guy Haines
05-01-2009, 11:40 PM
What a mopefest and pity party this thread has become.

It had potential to be kind of enthusiastic.

Instead the same old b.s.: :rain:

Zverev is talented but needs more than just a good week here or there to prove himself.

His game has facets/hints of many players but he's not especially similar to anyone.

The whole nationality breakdown deserves a thread of its own (if it doesn't already have four or five). The stereotypes have truths and exceptions. Most of the people posting here wouldn't admit it, but a supposed moonballer/grinder hated by libelous dopes places the ball a la Santoro sometimes.

Zverev doesn't play much like any of the current or recent Germans, and in general the Germans don't have a ton in common.

cocrcici
05-02-2009, 12:09 AM
His groundstrokes s*ck

Henry Chinaski
05-02-2009, 12:18 AM
I saw him several times indoors last year and he was nothing more than a pusher. he barely came to net at all. shitty fh moonball and a nothing bh slice. the bigger the point the more passive he got and he choked badly against golubev in russia somewhere. haven't seen him this week but it'll be interesting to see if he brings his sv game that he plays on grass to other surfaces. it's his only hope really because he won't do too much grinding.

the best he can hope for is to establish himself in the top 50 and maybe one day achieve seeded status at a slam. I don't see him going any higher than 30 and wouldn't be surprised to see him drift around the 50-70 mark for the next few years.

Guy Haines
05-02-2009, 12:35 AM
I saw him several times indoors last year and he was nothing more than a pusher. he barely came to net at all. shitty fh moonball and a nothing bh slice. the bigger the point the more passive he got and he choked badly against golubev in russia somewhere. haven't seen him this week but it'll be interesting to see if he brings his sv game that he plays on grass to other surfaces. it's his only hope really because he won't do too much grinding.

the best he can hope for is to establish himself in the top 50 and maybe one day achieve seeded status at a slam. I don't see him going any higher than 30 and wouldn't be surprised to see him drift around the 50-70 mark for the next few years.

Wow. Then I really don't have a handle on his game. But I did see some indoors, and yeah, he was using backhand slice a lot, and it wasn't impressive. It was bad. I'd love to see an impressive backhand slice in the game today.

I was pleasantly surprised at his rallying ability on clay. And against Simon he was mixing up the pace -- maybe pushing -- and in fact Simon was the one making stupid errors by pulling the trigger at inopportune times.

azinna
05-02-2009, 12:39 AM
Well, Robredo did crack the Top 5 recently....

I liked Zverev's service games a lot during the 1st set, and think he can give a number of baseliners serious trouble. If he keeps S&V-ing like he did today and yesterday, plus the rallying ability he showed yesterday against Simon, then top 20 is a possibility.

Top 10? He needs a more effective return game, a cheap-point serve he can go to, and possibly an outright ground stroke weapon.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 12:43 AM
someone ban these net rushers, this not the 20th century, this is 21st century, and net rushing is sooooo 20th century. ban him.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 12:48 AM
serve and volley should be banned! its repulsive and vulgar tennis.

FairWeatherFan
05-02-2009, 12:50 AM
The current snail-pace of the game doesn't suit a player like Zverev. He will do well to be a solid top-40 player in his career. Fifteen years ago, the answer would be far different.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 01:00 AM
The current snail-pace of the game doesn't suit a player like Zverev. He will do well to be a solid top-40 player in his career. Fifteen years ago, the answer would be far different.

with zverev's net rushing and serve and volley tennis, he has no right to play tennis in the 21st century modern game. he doesnt belong in this sport. serve and volley and net rushing dont belong in tennis anymore and should be outlawed and banned forever.

Ilovetheblues_86
05-02-2009, 01:08 AM
Do you even play tennis to have the right to discuss it?

jmsx521
05-02-2009, 01:37 AM
In terms of style, he plays very similar to Alejandro Falla, doesn't he?

Florida
05-02-2009, 02:57 AM
Well this Zverev has become popular overnight just because he made it to the quaarters when the rest choked. He did give Fed a good fight in the first set, but that was it. Fed took control of the match as he usually does when playing a qualifier. Expected Fed win what can I say? He is far from Simon, Tsonga, Del Potro, Cilic and has yet to consistently prove he can make it on the big stage with the big boys. One quarter final does not prove his true potential.

Thanos
05-02-2009, 03:01 AM
everytime i see zverev play, hes reminds of melzer. he has a decent game but he mind become marsh when it get tight.

Rafa = Fed Killa
05-02-2009, 03:03 AM
He is a joke, couldnt even take a set of Fed.

Top 50 at best.

GlennMirnyi
05-02-2009, 03:30 AM
In terms of style, he plays very similar to Alejandro Falla, doesn't he?

No. More like Melzer.

CooCooCachoo
05-02-2009, 01:25 PM
Zverev is Russian, isn't it?

Yes, originally he is Russian. His father represented Russia/USSR on the ATP tour as well.

CooCooCachoo
05-02-2009, 01:27 PM
I saw him several times indoors last year and he was nothing more than a pusher. he barely came to net at all. shitty fh moonball and a nothing bh slice. the bigger the point the more passive he got and he choked badly against golubev in russia somewhere. haven't seen him this week but it'll be interesting to see if he brings his sv game that he plays on grass to other surfaces. it's his only hope really because he won't do too much grinding.

the best he can hope for is to establish himself in the top 50 and maybe one day achieve seeded status at a slam. I don't see him going any higher than 30 and wouldn't be surprised to see him drift around the 50-70 mark for the next few years.

I have also seen Mischa do this sometimes indoors. Some matches he seems to choose to stay behind, which I really do not understand, as his baseline game is far inferior to his net game.