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Rome SF: Federer vs. Djokovic - WWW?

LinkMage
05-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Will Fed smash another racket?

EnriqueIG8
05-01-2009, 02:38 PM
Fed in three.

Poll?
Teamwork :haha:

rocketassist
05-01-2009, 02:39 PM
Federer will win 6-4 2-0 retired.

habibko
05-01-2009, 02:41 PM
the long awaited semis between both sides of fans, revenge time for Miami :devil:

Johnny Groove
05-01-2009, 02:43 PM
Serbia in 3.

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 02:44 PM
Novak in 3. Fed is still patchy as hell.

miura
05-01-2009, 02:45 PM
Fed in 2. Roger has never lost on clay to this Nole.

Jimnik
05-01-2009, 02:47 PM
Only two previous clay meetings both in Monte-Carlo. Wonder who will benefit more from faster conditions in Rome.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 02:49 PM
Novak in 3. Fed is still patchy as hell.

Your comments are off by 359 degrees.

Now go follow ping pong.

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 02:51 PM
Your comments are off by 359 degrees.

Now go follow ping pong.
Oh please, he was given trouble by a journeyman qualifier nobody (no offense Mischa :hug:.

StanisKing
05-01-2009, 02:52 PM
The Sore throat :)

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Oh please, he was given trouble by a journeyman qualifier nobody (no offense Mischa :hug:.

See result thread.

Manon
05-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Fed in 2. Roger has never lost on clay to this Nole.

There's always first time Martin.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 02:55 PM
I think Roger might take this in three if he plays like he did on the second set of his last two matches ;)

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 02:56 PM
See result thread.
I saw the post about his age, yep.

Anyway, let's not argue (we do have our like of Verdasco in common). Let's just wait and see

prima donna
05-01-2009, 03:12 PM
Eurotrash in 3.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:13 PM
Eurotrash in 3.

You wish :lol:

habibko
05-01-2009, 03:14 PM
I think Roger might take this in three if he plays like he did on the second set of his last two matches ;)

the problem with Roger so far hasn't been winning matches when he's in the driver seat, it's when he is trailing or when it gets tight and to a third set and is required to up his level, that's when he goes for too much and start spraying forehands 100 miles out, so far he wasn't pushed and he played within his comfort zone and it was enough to win, if Djokovic managed to win a set that's when eyes will be on Roger to see how he responds.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:15 PM
I saw the post about his age, yep.

Anyway, let's not argue (we do have our like of Verdasco in common). Let's just wait and see

I hope Nando can at least give us a nice match against Nadal and maybe even win a set, showing people that he is a real threat on clay.

vidanhv
05-01-2009, 03:19 PM
Don't think Fed will pull this one out. Novak looks frightening on clay this season. We'll see. I think it will be straight sets for Novak.

prima donna
05-01-2009, 03:20 PM
I should have referred to Djokovic as 'il cafone' instead of 'eurotrash'. My sincerest apologies to his fans.

vidanhv
05-01-2009, 03:24 PM
I should have referred to Djokovic as 'il cafone' instead of 'eurotrash'. My sincerest apologies to his fans.
LOL.

tennizen
05-01-2009, 03:25 PM
Fed this time in 3

zlaja777
05-01-2009, 03:27 PM
Novak in 3.

tangerine_dream
05-01-2009, 03:29 PM
http://i28.tinypic.com/2yyow3r.jpg Oh I am looking forward to this match.

Manon
05-01-2009, 03:34 PM
I should have referred to Djokovic as 'il cafone' instead of 'eurotrash'. My sincerest apologies to his fans.

No need to apologize. Until it's eurotrash it's good. It'd be grose if it's usatrash.

prima donna
05-01-2009, 03:41 PM
No need to apologize. Until it's eurotrash it's good. It'd be grose if it's usatrash.
In the spirit of the Italian theme (after all, the tournament is being played in Roma):

A few adjectives to describe Novak Djokovic and his family:
Nuovi ricchi
Cafoni
Mafiosi
Malviventi
Viziato/Insicuro/pieno di boria

Fiberlight1
05-01-2009, 03:44 PM
Novak in 2.

Form is good, Fed's is still iffy.

shotgun
05-01-2009, 03:52 PM
Should be a great one. This should end for the time being the discussions about who's the second best on clay right now.

sanshisan
05-01-2009, 03:54 PM
In the spirit of the Italian theme (after all, the tournament is being played in Roma):

A few adjectives to describe Novak Djokovic and his family:
Nuovi ricchi
Cafoni
Mafiosi
Malviventi
Viziato/Insicuro/pieno di boria

Why do you have to bring Novak's family into it? :confused:

Cheap shot from trash.

prima donna
05-01-2009, 04:05 PM
They've injected themselves into it, specifically Djokovic's mother.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 04:06 PM
Why do you have to bring Novak's family into it? :confused:

Cheap shot from trash.

Roger that

Manon
05-01-2009, 04:07 PM
A few adjectives to describe Novak Djokovic and his family:



False.

Branimir
05-01-2009, 04:12 PM
That BS about Djokovic family is really getting old. Ok they had few questionable things that they done in the first half of last year, but since then they didn't do anything, and yet if there is no reason to bash Djokovic, his family is brought up for cheap shots at him.

federernadalfan
05-01-2009, 04:21 PM
djoko in three

rafa_maniac
05-01-2009, 04:21 PM
Based on current form, Nole should win this if he can keep his wits about him. That is far from assured though. 50/50 imo.

nkhera1
05-01-2009, 04:23 PM
PrimaDonna at his/her best.

chowdahead25
05-01-2009, 04:32 PM
Roger in 3...
6-4, 3-6, 6-4

Garson007
05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
PrimaDonna at his/her best.
Nah, (s)he is a lot more straight forward insulting these days than (s)he used to be. Where are the 500 word essays of bashing, wrapped up within ambiguous language, that we all so know and love? :inlove:

Vida
05-01-2009, 04:36 PM
among players who actually now how to play on clay courts, these two are the best after Nadal. and no wonder. I gather Novak improved overall, and it seems his new equipment and more diverse attitude fit in nicely on high bouncing, slower clay. as for Fed he looks determined and somehow "out of a blue sky" spontaneous. so it could get messy...

and it was last year and a tenner ago. when, it seemed so to me, Djokovic got stunned by Fed's behind the baseline precise pinpoint tennis. Novak played his hard court game, trying to outhit a player rather than outmove him. it looks like he learned since and today it was evident, I think. so if he clicks, he will win on account of young mans legs.

StanisKing
05-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Average Fed will not have problems with Djokovic.
Djokovic at the moment plays well. Not great, but much better than the first two months of the year.
The problem with Fed is that he is really below his average.
Another problem is that though Fed was extremely bad in their last meeting, Djoko put great tactics then.
Mixing it up , not try to overpower him as in Monte Carlo 2008.

It depends very much which Fed will come on the court.

sphiie
05-01-2009, 04:47 PM
Roger seems to be is in great shape, but Novak too. It's going to be a really tough match I think. Roger wants his revenge. But Novak should win in 3 sets.

habibko
05-01-2009, 04:49 PM
It depends very much which Fed will come on the court.

this is true for every single match Federer played/plays, except Nadal in RG.

ossie
05-01-2009, 04:58 PM
joker in 2, simply because hes a better clay court player than fedex

dylan24
05-01-2009, 05:01 PM
probably better if the serb wins instead of the swiss
as novak isn't scared of rafa

Har-Tru
05-01-2009, 05:01 PM
Djokovic in 2.

Bilbo
05-01-2009, 05:03 PM
N. Djokovic

StanisKing
05-01-2009, 05:05 PM
joker in 2, simply because hes a better clay court player than fedex

H2H doesn't show that :)

But as I said, Djokovic is in better form at the moment

rofe
05-01-2009, 05:06 PM
I hope Fed wins but Novak will be more competitive against Nadal. :shrug:

BIGMARAT
05-01-2009, 05:16 PM
Nole in 2.

Corey Feldman
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Cya Nole

cant wait to see how the Mcnoleos are gonna have the face to show up here after the match tomorrow :D

Manon
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Average Fed will not have problems with Djokovic.


Not only Djokovic. Average Fed will beat anyone 6-0, 6-0.

theblejach
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
novak in 4

Iván
05-01-2009, 05:26 PM
Roger is due a big performance

morningglory
05-01-2009, 05:33 PM
Your comments are off by 359 degrees.

Now go follow ping pong.

That is, it's only off by 1 degree in the other direction :confused: Which means it's not that much off at all :lol:
I've been waiting for this match :devil:
Djoko will win in str8 sets and Fedtards will be sent back to their own little Fed Express forum crying "OMG Ahhhhhhhhh nooooooo everyone please hold me... I'm a complete mental wreck right now!!!!!" :spit:

And of course if for some freak reason he manages to get past Djoko, there's always Nadal :devil:

Forehander
05-01-2009, 05:34 PM
It'd require a miracle for Federer to win this.

NadalSharapova
05-01-2009, 05:46 PM
question is will federer want to win just to get beaten 6-0 6-1 by nadal?

Corey Feldman
05-01-2009, 05:47 PM
question is will federer want to win just to get beaten 6-0 6-1 by nadal?Go and watch ping pong

SheepleBuster
05-01-2009, 05:52 PM
Will Fed smash another racket?

Fed in 2 or 3. Only a strong wind like that time can stop Roger. Roger was spanking Novak in that Miami match before he let the wind get to him. And I do want to see another Rafa Fed before fed retires.

sphiie
05-01-2009, 05:55 PM
Roger has his chances. Do not underestimate him. He seems to play better than MC no ? I say this because I watched his match against Zverev this afternoon and I saw that he hits some good shots and seems more confident...

maki925
05-01-2009, 06:02 PM
Nole in 2 :)

C'mon people,we agreed that Nole will take care of him!:(

ossie
05-01-2009, 06:04 PM
H2H doesn't show that :)

But as I said, Djokovic is in better form at the momenti know. im basing my post on jokers performance against nadal. so im expecting joker to beat fed without too much difficulty yea i know :silly:
anyways no need to waste words lets just wait for the match :wavey:

Clay Death
05-01-2009, 06:05 PM
Go and watch ping pong

i recommend hot dog eating contests for him. tennis is obviously way too complex for him to follow.

ChinoRios4Ever
05-01-2009, 06:09 PM
Unreal to believe that Rogelio is the underdog in this match :eek:

maki925
05-01-2009, 06:11 PM
Unreal to believe that Rogelio is the underdog in this match :eek:


It's pure reality,like it or not!:)

MalwareDie
05-01-2009, 06:14 PM
Fedboar matches are utter trash. Djokovic will win so that the final will be less pathetic and Federer will save himself from worsening the mental scarring.

zlaja777
05-01-2009, 06:33 PM
I'm suprised with difference in votes...wow, Novak has 68% on his side.
Howeever, it will be a great match tommorow for sure.

zlaja777
05-01-2009, 06:39 PM
Djokovic:
"I look forward to it, it's going to be great for the people and great for the tournament to see that kind of semi-final," he said.

"It's a challenge for both of us. I think we've only played twice on clay and he won both times in Monte Carlo (in 2006 and 2008).

"I think I have a good chance, I have been playing really well lately, so let's see what happens."

Federer:
"We haven't played each other that much on clay but he (Djokovic) seems to be playing well again," said the 27-year-old.

"He's come through convincingly against tough players so I hope I can play better against him than I did today."

pica_pica
05-01-2009, 06:41 PM
Already salivating for the match to come...
Fed has rebound from Monte Carlo, but Novak's rebound is earlier than his and seems to be in greater form.
Djokovic in 3, I think. Their serve % will matter a lot.

shotgun
05-01-2009, 06:41 PM
Unreal to believe that Rogelio is the underdog in this match :eek:

Agree, a bit surprising. Was expecting more of a 50/50 share, because in reality there is no favourite for tomorrow's match.

munZe konZa
05-01-2009, 06:42 PM
Roger Federer said he is happy with semi final appearance , maybe Novak will help him feel better about this result as well tomorrrow

Quale sarebbe un buon risultato a Roma?
"Le semifinali. Così non mi farei tante domande e non mi dovrei chiedere se è meglio lavorare su questo o su quello, quando magari quella cosa funziona già. Perciò è bello vincere, oltre che per la soddisfazione, i punti e la fiducia".

http://www.gazzetta.it/Sport_Vari/Tennis/Primo_Piano/2009/04/28/federr.shtml

What would be a good result in Rome?
"The semi-finals. So I will not do so many questions and I would not ask if it is better to work on this or that, even when that thing works already. So it's nice to win, as well as the satisfaction, points and confidence."

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:45 PM
Agree, a bit surprising. Was expecting more of a 50/50 share, because in reality there is no favourite for tomorrow's match.

very encouraging poll :hearts: hopefully the MTF curse will strike again :rocker2:

shotgun
05-01-2009, 06:47 PM
very encouraging poll :hearts: hopefully the MTF curse will strike again :rocker2:

Well I'm talking about the real odds offered by bookies, not about this meaningless poll. :lol: And I assume ChinoRios was too.

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:49 PM
Well I'm talking about the real odds offered by bookies, not about this meaningless poll. :lol: And I assume ChinoRios was too.

I reckon Fed will still be a slight favorite, given he never lost to Djokovic on clay.

slight because of form issues, otherwise he would have been the heavy favorite.

shotgun
05-01-2009, 06:52 PM
I reckon Fed will still be a slight favorite, given he never lost to Djokovic on clay.

slight because of form issues, otherwise he would have been the heavy favorite.

I only checked Betfair and he's a dog there, mate.

Djokovic 1.79
Federer 2.24

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:53 PM
I only checked Betfair and he's a dog there, mate.

Djokovic 1.79
Federer 2.24

interesting indeed..

it's still very close though :shrug:

lamnathalie
05-01-2009, 06:54 PM
Djokovic in 3 (or 2). ;)

munZe konZa
05-01-2009, 07:03 PM
I reckon Fed will still be a slight favorite, given he never lost to Djokovic on clay.

slight because of form issues, otherwise he would have been the heavy favorite.

Novak retired after sickness and other time he lost closely when he was only 18. Novak is just better player now :wavey:

SaFed2005
05-01-2009, 07:15 PM
It all depends

Federer vs. Djokovic = Federer wins
Federror vs. Djokovic = Djokovic wins

I would say the match is 50/50

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 07:23 PM
I have a good feeling about this one. I think Fed will end the weak ones career here.

freeandlonely
05-01-2009, 07:32 PM
Djokovic in 3.
Good luck to both.
But it's sad for me the winner of this event is already confirmed.

rofe
05-01-2009, 07:35 PM
Djokovic in 3.
Good luck to both.
But it's sad for me the winner of this event is already confirmed.

True.

maki925
05-01-2009, 07:41 PM
I have a good feeling about this one. I think Fed will end the weak ones career here.

But you meant Fed, as the weaker one,right?:lol:

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 07:52 PM
If they both maintain their level from previous rounds: Djokovic in 2. But it won't be surprising if Federer shows more than he has shown so far. Since there are no awkward elements in this particular match up in my books this will clarify who is the No 2 clay courter at the moment. It might be interesting to see how will Federer react if gets behind with the score because from all of the players probably Djokovic is the one to whom he hates the most losing from.

RGK
05-01-2009, 07:56 PM
Djoko in 3. hope im wrong.

Quadruple Tree
05-01-2009, 07:57 PM
Novak retired after sickness and other time he lost closely when he was only 18. Novak is just better player now :wavey:

Sickness? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... That's a good one. I didn't know getting your ass handed to you was considered a sickness now. I figure he will still win tomorrow, though.

finishingmove
05-01-2009, 08:01 PM
sore throat = sickness

FedFan_2007
05-01-2009, 08:09 PM
If Good Roger shows up with <= 10 Unforced errors per set, he'll win. If Bad Roger shows up, Nole wins.

habibko
05-01-2009, 08:14 PM
If they both maintain their level from previous rounds: Djokovic in 2. But it won't be surprising if Federer shows more than he has shown so far. Since there are no awkward elements in this particular match up in my books this will clarify who is the No 2 clay courter at the moment. It might be interesting to see how will Federer react if gets behind with the score because from all of the players probably Djokovic is the one to whom he hates the most losing from.

good post and I agree for the most part, except for the bold part, if both maintained their level in pre-rounds it's Federer in 2, because what Federer did in his last three matches is raise his own level above the opponent, while all Djokovic did was consistent play and watching his opponents crumble/self-destruct.

the only plausible scenario in which I see Djokovic winning this one is if Federer pulled a Miami, where he self-destructs and can't find the court with his forehand.

morningglory
05-01-2009, 09:02 PM
good post and I agree for the most part, except for the bold part, if both maintained their level in pre-rounds it's Federer in 2, because what Federer did in his last three matches is raise his own level above the opponent, while all Djokovic did was consistent play and watching his opponents crumble/self-destruct.

the only plausible scenario in which I see Djokovic winning this one is if Federer pulled a Miami, where he self-destructs and can't find the court with his forehand.

I'm sure Djoko has more chances to win than that ;) We shall see...
Fed fans seem overconfident at the mo

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 09:07 PM
I'm sure Djoko has more chances to win than that ;) We shall see...
Fed fans seem overconfident at the mo

Or maybe i know something you dont...

Henry Kaspar
05-01-2009, 09:08 PM
I'd like to see Djokovic put pressure on Nadal in another clay court final.

Athletics1982
05-01-2009, 09:11 PM
Odds now (in bet365)
Federer 2.1 Djokovic 1.72

I think it's first time that odds are favored Djokovic when he faces Federer.

Manon
05-01-2009, 09:12 PM
I'm sure Djoko has more chances to win than that ;) We shall see...
Fed fans seem overconfident at the mo

This is became ridiculous, like a war. I can't imagine what would happen after match here.

Or maybe i know something you dont...

No, you don't. You're just ashaming Roger fans.

FedFan_2007
05-01-2009, 09:12 PM
Hopefully it will be a good match. I'm going to keep score on this one. Gonna keep track of Federer's winners, unforced errors and forced errors to see how good or bad he's playing.

McAlistar
05-01-2009, 09:14 PM
I went for Nole in two, he's more confident and holds the psychological advantage after their last meeting.

Matt01
05-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Federer will rip him a huge asshole. You heard it here first.


:rolleyes:

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 09:18 PM
I would like to see Roger winning, but I don't think that is such a sure thing :shrug:
I'm happy to see him getting more points in Rome and playing consistently for the first time since the AO :)

habibko
05-01-2009, 09:26 PM
No, you don't. You're just ashaming Roger fans.

truer words were never spoken :worship:

xargon
05-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Roger has his chances. He seems to play better than MC no ? I say this because I watched his match against Zverev


Yeah but who of quality has Roger played? Zverev is a qualifier, he should look good against him.

Certinfy
05-01-2009, 09:36 PM
Nole in 2

Clay Death
05-01-2009, 10:03 PM
truer words were never spoken :worship:

affirmative. as ususal, the ongoing festival of clueless and totally hapless termites has little to offer but garbage and more garbage.

its a bloody garbage fest of the hapless termites.

Florida
05-01-2009, 10:22 PM
Don't think Fed will pull this one out. Novak looks frightening on clay this season. We'll see. I think it will be straight sets for Novak.

All depends which Nole shows up tomorrow? Nole the Terminator or Nole the Self -Destructor?

Mike Tyson
05-01-2009, 10:24 PM
Its going to be a draw I think.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 10:28 PM
Its going to be a draw I think.

Almost like Ali/Tyson :devil:

zeleni
05-01-2009, 10:29 PM
I should have referred to Djokovic as 'il cafone' instead of 'eurotrash'. My sincerest apologies to his fans.:haha:

Casanova referred to the richest Serb in Trieste as 'il facchino'.:)

What is wrong being 'il cafone'? It's capitalism - Djokovic earned his money fair and square.:shrug:


In the spirit of the Italian theme (after all, the tournament is being played in Roma):

A few adjectives to describe Novak Djokovic and his family:
Nuovi ricchi
Cafoni
Mafiosi
Malviventi
Viziato/Insicuro/pieno di boria

:haha::haha:

Keep up the good work.:bounce:

Mike Tyson
05-01-2009, 10:38 PM
believe me Federer and Djokovic are going to shock the tennis world with a draw.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 10:43 PM
believe me Federer and Djokovic are going to shock the tennis world with a draw.

This is not boxing my friend.

prima donna
05-01-2009, 10:44 PM
What is wrong being 'il cafone'? It's capitalism -
In what way is being a cafone mutually exclusive with amassing one's wealth by means of a capitalistic system ? Djokovic is a cafone because of the manner in which he conducts himself, not because of his net worth.

Indeed, he and his family fit the stereotypical image that comes to one's mind upon hearing the term 'nuovi ricchi' used in a derogatory context.

Mike Tyson
05-01-2009, 10:47 PM
This is not boxing my friend.

Well my friend its time for a revolution.
You know I always thought Mike would be a great tennis player.
He has very strong arms.

Florida
05-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Two of my favorite players. I love their style and I love the competition between them. Nole may seem in good form lately, but Federer is a legend. A lot of people underestimate him and forget who he is????? His game is slowly coming back and tomorrow Nole will have his hands full. On the other hand, as much as Roger would love to destroy Nole tomorrow, I believe he is not ready to face Nadal in the finals and suffer another humiliating loss from the "King of Clay"???? I guess a big question in Federer's mind???? What is the best scenario for him??? With all due respect, I am also sick and tired of watching a Nadal - Federer final again and again..... I will be ready for that final, when I know Federer has improved his mental toughness and is ready to take Nadal>>>> At this point when it comes to Nadal Fed is still very vulnerable.

zeleni
05-01-2009, 10:55 PM
In what way is being a cafone mutually exclusive with amassing one's wealth by means of a capitalistic system ? Djokovic is a cafone because of the manner in which he conducts himself, not because of his net worth. I had snobbish evolution of the word and context (your next post) on my mind.
"Cafone" is an Italian word that has found its way into American English slang. It was originally a neutral Italian word meaning a poor peasant. However, in Italian it evolved to mean an uncouth, boorish, ill-mannered person, and that's also what it means in American English slang.

Indeed, he and his family fit the stereotypical image that comes to one's mind upon hearing the term 'nuovi ricchi' used in a derogatory context.Because they express joy when he wins?

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 10:56 PM
Two of my favorite players. I love their style and I love the competition between them. Nole may seem in good form lately, but Federer is a legend. A lot of people underestimate him and forget who he is????? His game is slowly coming back and tomorrow Nole will have his hands full. On the other hand, as much as Roger would love to destroy Nole tomorrow, I believe he is not ready to face Nadal in the finals and suffer another humiliating loss from the "King of Clay"???? I guess a big question in Federer's mind???? What is the best scenario for him??? With all due respect, I am also sick and tired of watching a Nadal - Federer final again and again..... I will be ready for that final, when I know Federer has improved his mental toughness and is ready to take Nadal>>>> At this point when it comes to Nadal Fed is still very vulnerable.

Interesting points. I think Roger wont mind the loss against Nadal in the final so much as he would hate another loss to Djokovic.

Bazooka
05-01-2009, 10:57 PM
Federer in three, or in close two.

He's much more versatile, and has always dominated Nole easily in this surface, even past year when Fed was shitty and Nole was in his absolute peak.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 10:58 PM
I had snobbish evolution of the word and context (your next post) on my mind.


Because they express joy when he wins?

Dont mind PD, she feels threatened by Nole's quality.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 11:00 PM
Federer in three, or in close two.

He's much more versatile, and has always dominated Nole easily in this surface, even past year when Fed was shitty and Nole was in his absolute peak.

Good point, i wasnt even thinking of that. Roger was playing much worse last year then now yet he still pwned Djoke.

prima donna
05-01-2009, 11:13 PM
Because they express joy when he wins?
No, there's more to it than that. The Djokovic family personify all that is wrong with the newer members of the upper-class (at least when defined according to financial means). Also, the capitalistic system which you referenced in your previous post is responsible for providing such individuals the wherewithal to ascend into what commonly is referred to as "the wealthy," so that it's now become necessary to distinguish between "old money" and "new money." These are more than mere euphemistic distinctions simply made in order to perpetuate snobbery or elitism; instead, the mentality of the Djokovic family is exposed as contrary to that of the mainstream when juxtaposed to that of other wealthy families.

My point is simple: Money can't buy class. In the case of the Djokovic family it seems to have created a monster, which is why I consider them to be cafoni.

This is bigger than tennis, at least for me. For example, Nadal has humiliated Roger on several occasions, yet I've never been bothered by the presence of his father, Sebastian Nadal. Actually, it seems that Rafael is embracing the responsibility that comes along with being the best player in the world. I like that, it demonstrates both class and maturity. The Nadal family are a classy bunch, or at least they behave as such publicly.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 11:14 PM
right now, I don't even care about Roger's h2h against anybody, all I care about is watching him play good matches and get good results :)

he might be 20-0 against somebody and I wouldn't really care as long as he continues doing well on slams :)

Mr. Oracle
05-01-2009, 11:25 PM
Nole's tactics and groundstrokes were fearsome today. Watch for him to dictate play tomorrow and for a smashed racket or two.

Nole in 2.

Time for a new #2.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 11:28 PM
if Djoker wins he'll get to #2? :scratch:

luie
05-01-2009, 11:41 PM
if Djoker wins he'll get to #2? :scratch:
Oracle is a blind noletroll.:o

kingfederer
05-01-2009, 11:43 PM
federer hates losing to the arrogant redneck serb, thats why roger is always in a grumpy mood in djokovic matches. fed hates djokovic and his vulgar family. just like the rest of the world. i hope fed wins, because i cannot stand seeing those evil faces of the djokovic family again. i hope fed or rafa stops the serb redneck.

comeon fed get ur act together and show the serb smurf like u did in the us open last year. i want another roger v rafa final.

cocrcici
05-01-2009, 11:44 PM
Oracle is fearless:lol:

luie
05-01-2009, 11:47 PM
I'am 50-50 I want fed to win but he will not do much against nadal,but I want to see if fakervic can make some in-roads into rafa on this faster clay.In short imo fakervic has a realistic chance of defeating nadull ,while fed chances are slim.

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 11:48 PM
Djoker's #3 ranking is SO secure right now... :rolleyes:
he'll need a miracle (aka defending Rome) not to lose it :o

cocrcici
05-01-2009, 11:49 PM
btw Fed will win

luie
05-01-2009, 11:51 PM
btw Fed will win
Stop jinxing the fedmeister, Serbian.:mad:

cocrcici
05-01-2009, 11:56 PM
Stop jinxing the fedmeister, Serbian.:mad:

:angel:

Greatness
05-02-2009, 01:06 AM
If Novak wins the first set, then he takes it in straights; if not, then he wins it in 3. :)

Florida
05-02-2009, 02:01 AM
Whenever Nole is the favorite with the big boys he fails to deliver... He is motivated to win and it is not because of the Number3 ranking, it's because he is in a stage of proving that he can do it.But will he indeed to it? We will see tomorrow and if he wins, the day after tomorrow, because Nadal is his final exam..... As far as his number 3 ranking, in his mind he already is prepared to be number 4, but with good play he is consoling himself saying: yes I lost the number 3 spot, but I performed good and I lost it just because I had to many points to defend as oppose to Murray.... As far as Djokovic is concerned, the season is not over until the "big fat lady sings" and that will be at the end of the year. Murray will be in the same position come Wimby on, when he will be in a position to defend a lot of points.... Nadal is in a league all by himself and so far none of them are even close to joining him. Let's hope he can keep up.... Federer is on the right track to get his game back and to make a run at RG to at least defend points and of course his priority will be regaining his Wimby title back. He is "The Maestro" and we should never underestimate him. He will break Sampras record and we should all be proud of living in this era with him and witnessing a moment in history as it happens. By the way, this is coming from a Novak fan, just in case you think all Novak fans are weired and biased. Cheers to Great Tennis!!!!

FedFan_2007
05-02-2009, 02:06 AM
Whenever Nole is the favorite with the big boys he fails to deliver... He is motivated to win and it is not because of the Number3 ranking, it's because he is in a stage of proving that he can do it.But will he indeed to it? We will see tomorrow and if he wins, the day after tomorrow, because Nadal is his final exam..... As far as his number 3 ranking, in his mind he already is prepared to be number 4, but with good play he is consoling himself saying: yes I lost the number 3 spot, but I performed good and I lost it just because I had to many points to defend as oppose to Murray.... As far as Djokovic is concerned, the season is not over until the "big fat lady sings" and that will be at the end of the year. Murray will be in the same position come Wimby on, when he will be in a position to defend a lot of points.... Nadal is in a league all by himself and so far none of them are even close to joining him. Let's hope he can keep up.... Federer is on the right track to get his game back and to make a run at RG to at least defend points and of course his priority will be regaining his Wimby title back. He is "The Maestro" and we should never underestimate him. He will break Sampras record and we should all be proud of living in this era with him and witnessing a moment in history as it happens. By the way, this is coming from a Novak fan, just in case you think all Novak fans are weired and biased. Cheers to Great Tennis!!!!

It is no guarantee that he'll win one more slam. Slams are only for the best of the best - and right now it looks like Rafa has that special gleam in his eye and spring in his step. He wants to win every single slam right now - and who will stop him? For he comes on all surfaces to DESTROY... Pray for death!

Gnomey
05-02-2009, 02:33 AM
Roger has his chances. He seems to play better than MC no ? I say this because I watched his match against Zverev


Yeah but who of quality has Roger played? Zverev is a qualifier, he should look good against him.
Oh come off it. Qualifier, whatever.
Did you see the shots that guy was making?

Rafa = Fed Killa
05-02-2009, 03:02 AM
The Fedtards are out in full force.

Good its more fun to see them cry after they have hope.

Nole humiliate the pansy ballet dancing clown Fed and make him cry like the crybaby he is.

On Sunday we have another SPARTAN FINAL - RAFA vs NOLE

Farenhajt
05-02-2009, 03:10 AM
I go with Nole. His claycourt game is noticeably refurbished compared to this time last year, so he'll have an extra weapon or three to pull out of his fly and dazzle Roger.

And if he could take a set from Rafa, he can certainly take two from Roger.

littleash
05-02-2009, 03:18 AM
roger'll kick the horseface's arse. :rocker2:

betowiec
05-02-2009, 03:25 AM
novak in three

mashamaniac
05-02-2009, 04:26 AM
Of course fed in straight sets...

HarryMan
05-02-2009, 04:47 AM
Excellent match up. I can't wait for this to happen.

The battle for the number two spot on the clay surface. The best thing about this is Novak (since Monte Carlo final) has been playing superb tennis and Federer in the second set in his quater final match up was very good.

I would love for Fed to win this and prove to his detractors (and fans) that he still has it in him but even if Novak wins it, I would be happy for him. So like I said, I can't wait for it to happen. :D

And if Nadal is a human, then the winner of these two should have some chances (not saying they will win, but maybe a three setter or tight two setter?) against him in the final (there is no way a player could play three straight weeks, reaching the finals in all of them, without feeling fatigued).

heartbroken
05-02-2009, 05:05 AM
I voted Djokovic in three, although I won't be surprised if it goes the other way.

FedFan_2007
05-02-2009, 06:00 AM
Fed def Nole 7-6, 6-7, 6-4

Ackms421
05-02-2009, 06:28 AM
The aftermath of this match will be of epic proportions. :armed:

But, I think Djokovic wins here.

Andi-M
05-02-2009, 08:39 AM
Novak 7/6 6/2 smashed racket after NOle goes a break up in the 2nd.

Gandalf
05-02-2009, 08:51 AM
I would love Federer to win, but he hasn't impressed me so much in this tournament. He still blew some easy chances against Zverev, so I wouldn't count on him holding up against Djokovic. And his backhand, although better, is still suspect.

babuska6
05-02-2009, 09:00 AM
Nole has to win that one. He is in great form on clay and when I compared yesterday the game of Federer and Djokovic,I have to say that Nole can beat Federer. In two 7-5 6-4. Good luck! :)

Elena.
05-02-2009, 09:01 AM
Djokovic in 3

pica_pica
05-02-2009, 09:14 AM
believe me Federer and Djokovic are going to shock the tennis world with a draw.
Yes, and after that they'll be fighting side-by-side against Nadal in the final. They may even share the ranking points and prize money.
:haha:

Commander Data
05-02-2009, 09:23 AM
Nole is the 2nd thoughest test for Fed after nadal on clay right now. he seems full of confidence and in good form. judging from their current form Nole is the favorite here. This match will be interesting to see were Fed really stands.

Will he break down again under pressure or is he starting to find some old form?

Commander Data
05-02-2009, 09:34 AM
The Fedtards are out in full force.

Good its more fun to see them cry after they have hope.

Nole humiliate the pansy ballet dancing clown Fed and make him cry like the crybaby he is.

On Sunday we have another SPARTAN FINAL - RAFA vs NOLE

You are the biggest clown around.

Sunset of Age
05-02-2009, 09:51 AM
Nole is the 2nd thoughest test for Fed after nadal on clay right now. he seems full of confidence and in good form. judging from their current form Nole is the favorite here. This match will be interesting to see were Fed really stands.

Will he break down again under pressure or is he starting to find some old form?

I wasn't able to watch their matches lately, but from what I've read about them, I conclude you are spot-on. IF Fed manages to win this match (which surely isn't a given at all), it might do him very well in the mental department which imho has been one of the major reasons for his last couple of losses.

Commander Data
05-02-2009, 09:56 AM
I wasn't able to watch their matches lately, but from what I've read about them, I conclude you are spot-on. IF Fed manages to win this match (which surely isn't a given at all), it might do him very well in the mental department which imho has been one of the major reasons for his last couple of losses.

I think so too. He showed some promising signs, now he needs to stel up and beat top players again to get were he once was. Loosing to Nadal is not the problem I think that is tolerable. He needs to prove that he is still no. 2 first.

Cloudygirl
05-02-2009, 10:12 AM
Is this match on sky sports?

mariannitsa
05-02-2009, 01:02 PM
It's on SKY SPORTS X

Labamba
05-02-2009, 01:05 PM
the rain might save Djoker

michellej
05-02-2009, 01:24 PM
any idea if play will resume soon??


Latest from Eurosport match track..It's still drizzling in Rome and the covers are still on I'm afraid. Hopefully this delay won't last too much longer.

unfortunatley they don't say what time this was posted

Chiseller
05-02-2009, 01:31 PM
the covers are actually off and it will start anytime soon

ClaudiuS
05-02-2009, 01:34 PM
Hope Federer doesn't f*ck this thing up :o

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 01:39 PM
the specatotors changed the match, this match should be cancelled and played again

If Djokovic is that mentally weak that one guy saying something when he is about to serve causes him to lose focus for the rest of the match and play like shit, he deserves to lose. Federer is not really playing well, but Djokovic is playing even worse. He can't seem to hit down the line off of either side.

habibko
05-02-2009, 01:48 PM
If Djokovic is that mentally weak that one guy saying something when he is about to serve causes him to lose focus for the rest of the match and play like shit, he deserves to lose. Federer is not really playing well, but Djokovic is playing even worse. He can't seem to hit down the line off of either side.

agreed about the mental toughness part, these things happen in tennis and it's your responsibility to deal with it, Djokovic has only himself to blame.

I don't think Djokovic is playing too badly, he is playing as well as he have played all his matches in Rome so far, but Federer simply played at a higher level than him, and that's what I expected, therefore the straight sets to Fed would be a very expected outcome.

the match is all about Fed now.

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:08 PM
Djokovic broke back. 3-3 now.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:11 PM
fedmug choking.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Now that's the Fed we have all come to know so well this year.

SaFed2005
05-02-2009, 02:15 PM
Watch fed is now gonna enter the federror mode...
fakervic didn't even have to fake an injury this time rain was good enough.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Federer is so predictable now. Win the first set. Collapse in the second set, and lose in three sets.

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:18 PM
Nole will serve for the second set now. :woohoo::scared:

SaFed2005
05-02-2009, 02:18 PM
brilliant fed brilliant... getting broken left and right now

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:20 PM
only fedmug is bad enough to lose the 2nd set from that position.

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:21 PM
Nole won the second set. :woohoo:

asmazif
05-02-2009, 02:21 PM
haha

vamosinator
05-02-2009, 02:21 PM
I thought threads in this forum weren't allowed to reveal live results of matches....

asmazif
05-02-2009, 02:21 PM
yep, we're just having our fun till they get deleted.

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:22 PM
Federer is crap. He disgusts me now. He seems to be in control then goes away completely. What's up with that? He did it against Nadal at AO, then did against Murray and Novak in the past masters. And I bet he'll do it again against Novak.

castle007
05-02-2009, 02:22 PM
Amazing play from Federer. So predictable. He needs a mental coach. He should have been up 5-0 in the second set, except he ends up losing 5 games in a row. Brilliant

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:22 PM
everyone bet djokovic to win in 3. typical 3rd set collapse coming for federer. the fool choked that 2nd set away. had 2 chances to go 2 breaks up but found a way to lose. federer will find a way to lose from the jaws of victory.

SaFed2005
05-02-2009, 02:23 PM
looks like fakervic is going to depigeon himself today

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:24 PM
u get the feeling if the match is close, federer will collapse. he really is a mere shadow of his former self.

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:26 PM
actually i hope Roger loses. Nadal will absolutely spank him. I can handle seeing him lose to Djokovic but Nadal beating a poor Fed 6-1, 6-1 is tough to watch. I like to see Novak Rafa again.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:29 PM
expect a federer collapse any minute now!

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:31 PM
1-1. Fed held serve to love while Nole needed deuce...

C'mon Nole...:mad:

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:31 PM
expect a federer collapse any minute now!

Dude. Did you miss it? Federer already collapsed. We all know Roger can't win a final set to save his life. Strategic tank by Roger to avoid Rafa this early on. He'll be No. 4 sooner rather than later. Going 2 out of 10 break points is high school level stats.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:32 PM
If there is anyone that Fed has a chance against in the third set, it's Djokovic, though. He is the only guy who is as mentally weak as Fed.

castle007
05-02-2009, 02:33 PM
But I still believe!!

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:34 PM
2-1 on serve...

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:35 PM
is there anyone worse on breakpoints than federer for a top player?

tennizen
05-02-2009, 02:36 PM
No livescoring on GM

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:36 PM
I think this is the start of trivalry between Fed, Novak and Roddick. Rod can't beat Fed. Fed can't beat Novak, and Novak can't beat Rod. OK. it's too silly ;)

ClaudiuS
05-02-2009, 02:38 PM
Djokovic is a twat. Getting broken just by himself.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:39 PM
If there is anyone that Fed has a chance against in the third set, it's Djokovic, though. He is the only guy who is as mentally weak as Fed.

Who called this?

Bazooka
05-02-2009, 02:40 PM
I think this is the start of trivalry between Fed, Novak and Roddick. Rod can't beat Fed. Fed can't beat Novak, and Novak can't beat Rod. OK. it's too silly ;)

They can always have their three arses collectively spanked by Rafa if they need to.

asmazif
05-02-2009, 02:40 PM
haha i think feds gonna return the favour.

FlameOn
05-02-2009, 02:41 PM
:lol: Broke serve but then got broken to love. Djokovic has it in the bag if Fed doesn't do something and fast.

Benny_Maths
05-02-2009, 02:41 PM
haha i think feds gonna return the favour.

Yeah he sure did, by gifting Djoker the break back. :rolleyes:

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
federer u mug, what is wrong with this guy? doesnt he like to win? he must love losing. he keeps letting djokovic back into the match.

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
Gotta love Roger. He has become the No.1 mental midget in Switzerland and that's saying something considering what a mug Wawrinka is.

prima donna
05-02-2009, 02:43 PM
Ghastly play from Federer. Absolutely appalling.

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:44 PM
keep the ball on the court roger! come on dude!

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:44 PM
Feds need to break again or he'll lose 5 straight games like the 2nd set.

Burrow
05-02-2009, 02:44 PM
One of the worst matches I've ever seen, two stroke rallies on clay.

homogenius
05-02-2009, 02:45 PM
:haha: So tough mentally, it's scary

SheepleBuster
05-02-2009, 02:46 PM
I like the fact that Gonzo is watching this match. He is scouting just in case he beats Rafa. I bet Rafa will make him pay for this. They'll need an ambulance to take Gonzo out after all the running he will do tonight.

Quadruple Tree
05-02-2009, 02:46 PM
Odds of Fed getting broken in this game 70%

scoobs
05-02-2009, 02:47 PM
No live match commentary in GM