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Rome QF: Federer def. Zverev 7-6(3) 6-2

EnriqueIG8
05-01-2009, 03:37 PM
Zverev did exceptionally well in the first set winning 15/17 net points and hitting 15 winners against 12 UE's.
Second set lazy volleying and Federer reading the serve better and hitting the passing shots.

Volleying & baselineplay pretty solid from Federer but will it be enough to beat Novak?


http://i39.tinypic.com/w1wi6r.jpg

habibko
05-01-2009, 03:38 PM
Zverev played a great first set, but Fed was just too good on his serve and played a masteRFul tie-break, then it was routine Fed in the second set :drive:

very refreshing to see a youngster with a S&V game :yeah:


bring it on Djokovic! :armed:

miura
05-01-2009, 03:38 PM
No Country For New Mugs

rocketassist
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
Zverev has a great game :D Old school tennis at its finest.

Entertaining match.

scarecrows
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
bad first set from Federer on return and passing shots
better in the second but Zverev didnt have much in the tank

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
Still not 100% from Fed but his getting there. Im sure he is leaving some form for Djokovic :cool:

FedererSlam
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
Good solid performance from Feds especially in the second Zverev played really well in the first. Will need to step it up a gear for Djoko but it's a do-able task. No chance against Nadal haha.

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 03:39 PM
:spit: If Federer's given this much trouble by a journeyman qualifier imagine what Djokovic will do to him.

Great tournament and fight Mischa. :yeah:

FedererBulgaria
05-01-2009, 03:40 PM
Well done Roger!Good luck in the semi!

Beat
05-01-2009, 03:40 PM
kudos to zverev.

pleas, please, please, roger, beat djokovic. please.

Action Jackson
05-01-2009, 03:40 PM
Huge upset.

marcRD
05-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Federer on defendpointing mode, not enought to beat Djoko/take a set from Rafa.

Jimnik
05-01-2009, 03:42 PM
Great tournament from Zverev. Hope to see him play like this more often.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:42 PM
No Country For New Mugs

:haha: Well said. Zverev was good though, i like his game. Good for tennis.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 03:45 PM
:spit: If Federer's given this much trouble by a journeyman qualifier imagine what Djokovic will do to him.

Great tournament and fight Mischa. :yeah:

The guy is 21 you smartass. Fed will rip Nole a new one.

Huge upset.

:silly:

habibko
05-01-2009, 03:47 PM
JesusFed moment to break at the first game of second set, that lob :drool: :hearts:

Huge upset.

affirmative, I called it first :rocker2:

L James
05-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Welcome back, Roger :yeah:

rofe
05-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Baby steps from Fed. 1st serve % was a lot higher and his forehand is getting some of its potency back. I especially liked the FH DTL shots because that is a confidence shot for Fed. Still needs to play the big points better.

I would love to see Zverev play more consistently. This guy has potential and has an all court game that can be further developed.

It is now 50/50 against Novak. Before this match it was 40/60 Fed/Novak.

Hingisova
05-01-2009, 03:50 PM
Looks like Fed really up's his game in the second set these days...looking forward to getting past Nole....bring it on Roger!:worship:

Hingisova:wavey:

Davodus
05-01-2009, 03:51 PM
nice second set :yeah:

Arkulari
05-01-2009, 03:53 PM
Misha played incredibly well on the first set, but ran out of gas in the second

vintage Federer in the second set, he played very consistently, even his BH was good and there weren't many UE's on his FH this time :yeah:

Roger tends to play in autopilot if he feels he can beat someone, not needing to show-off or soundly beating (and tiring himself in the process) his rival, he will up his game if the rival is good enough :yeah:

best match since the AO for Roger :yeah:

MrChopin
05-01-2009, 03:55 PM
67% first serves is better... anyone have the average first serve speed? 2/10 on BP isn't very good, especially the missed FH pass on his first set point.

The issue of Fed's confidence is so obvious while watching this match. In the last two matches, Fed has used a few nice FH combos. He looked a little tight during the first set today, both rallying to the middle of the court and returning soft. Once Fed snatched the first set, he started hitting his FH with more pace, setting up and going for more, and on returns, really increased his angle to cut down on Zverev's charge.

All in all good stuff, moving back into form. Hopefully he'll sneak out a win against Novak to boost the confidence a little more.

habibko
05-01-2009, 03:57 PM
Federer on defendpointing mode, not enought to beat Djoko/take a set from Rafa.

it's not like Djokovic has been godly either, it was more about his opponents playing like crap, he was solid and consistent but the hype over beating Fed is a little too much, Fed won the past clashes against him on clay with ease.

Fumus
05-01-2009, 04:00 PM
I really like Zverev.
Is there room on his bandwaggon?
He's gotta be one of my favorite players to watch after just seeing for a little bit today. Wicked cool!!

I think he could be future top 10.

HeretiC
05-01-2009, 04:01 PM
Excellent week for Zverev, his best result and on clay. Very good serving and excellent volleying in the first set (those are his strengths anyway), but he also did very solid by his standards staying into the rallies and hitting some great passing shots, bad for him that his returning skills are not high enough to bother Federer. About Roger: his serve looked improved, but I am not convinced about his ground strokes and his net coverage looked a bit sluggish, I am not sure is it because of his positioning or his reflexes(volleys).

tennizen
05-01-2009, 04:02 PM
:spit: If Federer's given this much trouble by a journeyman qualifier imagine what Djokovic will do to him.


That's exactly how it works in tennis:yeah:

scarecrows
05-01-2009, 04:04 PM
I really like Zverev.
Is there room on his bandwaggon?
He's gotta be one of my favorite players to watch after just seeing for a little bit today. Wicked cool!!

I think he could be future top 10.

his wagon is still half empty, he needs to beat one of the top 4 to fill the vacant places

habibko
05-01-2009, 04:05 PM
Excellent week for Zverev, his best result and on clay. Very good serving and excellent volleying in the first set (those are his strengths anyway), but he also did very solid by his standards staying into the rallies and hitting some great passing shots, bad for him that his returning skills are not high enough to bother Federer. About Roger: his serve looked improved, but I am not convinced about his ground strokes and his net coverage looked a bit sluggish, I am not sure is it because of his positioning or his reflexes(volleys).

yeah I loved what I saw from Zverev, really impressive stuff considering it's his first QF at this level and against someone like Federer for the first time :worship: some improvements here and there and this boy could prove to be a new force :cool:

FlameOn
05-01-2009, 04:06 PM
That's exactly how it works in tennis:yeah:
How what works, sorry?

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 04:07 PM
First set was scrappy from Fed. Had a chace to win the first twice before the tie break but missed easy passing shots. His serve % was good enough to bail him out though. Second set again he should have closed it out at 5-1. Just leaving the best for Nole thats all :cool:

Art&Soul
05-01-2009, 04:08 PM
Way better than his previous match, way to go to take down the Djoker, ROGI :angel:

Okonsky
05-01-2009, 04:08 PM
All in all good stuff, moving back into form.

Yes, I think he is in better form now, more determine...backing in track.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 04:09 PM
How what works, sorry?

You wont understand

Fumus
05-01-2009, 04:11 PM
his wagon is still half empty, he needs to beat one of the top 4 to fill the vacant places

He will, got skillzzz ;)

He's like Stepanek but with a lefty forehand.

What could be more awesome?

But seriously, I hope I see more of this guy.

sLayer
05-01-2009, 04:12 PM
Come on Roger! Nice macht!

Foxy
05-01-2009, 04:13 PM
Do you guys know, when was the last time roge played a SF match AFTER Rafa's one? Of course when both are still in the tournament? It was RG 2008. And before RG 2008? I can't even remember. It is just unbelievable. Tomorrow obviously in case Rafa wins he will play again the second semifinal.
Of course it would be reasonable to some extent if roge was still N1 but it is not the case since Aug 2008.

Joao
05-01-2009, 04:33 PM
Do you guys know, when was the last time roge played a SF match AFTER Rafa's one? Of course when both are still in the tournament? It was RG 2008. And before RG 2008? I can't even remember. It is just unbelievable. Tomorrow obviously in case Rafa wins he will play again the second semifinal.
Of course it would be reasonable to some extent if roge was still N1 but it is not the case since Aug 2008.

And your point is?

Why don't you write a letter to the organizers and complain about the schedule?

Foxy
05-01-2009, 04:34 PM
And your point is?

First I am asking if it is true or I am mistaken?
If it is true it doesn't seem fair.

You want me to write a letter to all organizers since RG 2008? :D

Har-Tru
05-01-2009, 04:41 PM
Pretty entertaining match. Bold guy this Zverev.

Acer
05-01-2009, 05:08 PM
Do you guys know, when was the last time roge played a SF match AFTER Rafa's one? Of course when both are still in the tournament? It was RG 2008. And before RG 2008? I can't even remember. It is just unbelievable. Tomorrow obviously in case Rafa wins he will play again the second semifinal.
Of course it would be reasonable to some extent if roge was still N1 but it is not the case since Aug 2008.

We've estsablished ages ago that's everyone's doing everything to get Nadal, everyone's against him. Now cry us a river.

Caio_Brasil
05-01-2009, 05:17 PM
Nice game to watch Zverev has. Hopefully he keeps reaching the final rounds at some tournaments.

Labamba
05-01-2009, 05:23 PM
entertaining first set :yeah: fun to watch

Zverev has a really nice game, hopefully he can draw some confidence from this week

Foxy
05-01-2009, 05:30 PM
We've estsablished ages ago that's everyone's doing everything to get Nadal, everyone's against him. Now cry us a river.

:baby: :baby: :baby:

FaceyFacem
05-01-2009, 05:33 PM
Did anyone else see Roger flexing his knee at like 4-1 or so in the 2nd, didn't look TOO serious, but i thought i saw a grimace and him moving it carefully before starting the next point

Corey Feldman
05-01-2009, 06:21 PM
good stuff by the 13 times GS Champion

CyBorg
05-01-2009, 06:31 PM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

betowiec
05-01-2009, 06:31 PM
roger in great form

rocketassist
05-01-2009, 06:43 PM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

It was a good enough backhand to get him to three RG finals, plus he has still often hit some spectacular shots off it. It's not the greatest one hander ever, but it's not a shit shot.

Just cause the likes of Nadal and Murray exploit it doesn't mean the rest of the tour can.

habibko
05-01-2009, 06:51 PM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

O RLY? he already beaten Nadal once and Djokovic twice with that shitty backhand you are talking about on clay :retard:

Foxy
05-01-2009, 06:56 PM
good stuff by the 13 times GS Champion

Good enough stuff by the number 2 player in the world...

ChinoRios4Ever
05-01-2009, 07:03 PM
Make that F Rogelio

CyBorg
05-01-2009, 07:21 PM
It was a good enough backhand to get him to three RG finals, plus he has still often hit some spectacular shots off it. It's not the greatest one hander ever, but it's not a shit shot.

I don't agree. First of all, it's not the backhand that got him to those finals - it's everything else. He made them in spite of the backhand.

And, secondly, his backhand is now worse than it's ever been.

GlennMirnyi
05-01-2009, 07:23 PM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

Gotta agree.

MalwareDie
05-01-2009, 07:36 PM
O RLY? he already beaten Nadal once and Djokovic twice with that shitty backhand you are talking about on clay

It still sucks. It is not even close to being the best one-hander like you and your master believe.

Clay Death
05-01-2009, 07:52 PM
It still sucks. It is not even close to being the best one-hander like you and your master believe.

try putting things in perspective for once. try it. you might even like it.

here i will help:

its all relative. its the best single hander i have seen in terms of its variety and relative effectiveness. it was good enough to net him no less than 13 slams. 3 roland garros finals appearances and 3-4 Hamburg titles is not bad either.

now the key fact: yes the backhand is great and its the best single hander i have seen in the open era but the game today has moved away from such a weapon. its not effective enough.

his backhand cannot and does not hold up well against the best backhands on the planet which are invariably the double handers. his backhand is not effective enough against the likes of Djokovic, Murray, Nalby, and the Clay Warrior. and they take full advantage of it. its the age of double handers. they have fewer variables and they alone offer the finishing power needed at the top of the game.

i know i have mentioned this before. last year, fully 100% of the masters events were won by those employing a double hander. and 75% of the slams were won by those using a double hander. it has been no different so far this year. expect that trend to be now permanent. single hander has way too many variables and simply does not hold up on consistent basis in the modern game.

Fed got away with in the past because of his sick movement and the fact that the rest of his game was so damn solid. i mean this guy used to hold serve nearly 90% of the time. that does tend to make things a little easier.

another thing you are forgetting: its his small loss of movement that is making it a little harder to execute that backhand and all his options off that wing. his preparation is not there as it was in the past. there is also some mental strain that he carries that makes things dificult.

we must be fair here old sport.

ORGASMATRON
05-01-2009, 08:18 PM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

Ok so would you leave MTF if he beats Djokovic? Just checking if you were serious.

CyBorg
05-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Ok so would you leave MTF if he beats Djokovic? Just checking if you were serious.

Haha. No - there's an element of exagerration in my post, of course. Anything can happen.

I just watched the match and I'm reacting to it emotionally.

Guy Haines
05-02-2009, 01:09 AM
None of us will know how Federer really is until tomorrow. And then we all can pretend we knew how good or bad he is all along. So far he's played against a tree, had a half-exhibition match, and today faced a talented but relatively "new" player.

I'm more interested in seeing this match to see more Zverev.

Fumus, the weird thing to me is that while Zverev is fond of serve and volley, I like watching his game the most (of what I've seen so far) when he's playing on clay.

I'd seen Zverev play on fast hard courts that would seem to suit him from a "surface level" perspective, but his game seems to have a lot more aspects on clay. He can rally and change up the pace in a way that a lot of non-French players can't.

I guess the S&V clay skills are kind of Steps-like.

iSzavay.
05-02-2009, 02:12 AM
Mischa did a lot better than I expected. Nice try :).

kingfederer
05-02-2009, 02:33 AM
if federer cannot beat djokovic, its time to draw up retirement plans in the months ahead!

johnny_dhk
05-02-2009, 04:44 AM
Federer is the ultimate loser.

groundstroke
05-02-2009, 10:12 AM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

Look at this clown giving the world's second best player advice! :eek:

Commander Data
05-02-2009, 10:52 AM
No one can possibly convince me that Federer's backhand is not complete and utter shit on clay.

There's no chance he beats Djoko with that, let alone Nadal.

Zverev just kept going back to that side all match and it worked in the first set. This is Zverev we're talking about.

The best Roger can do with his backhand is to tinker with the consistency of the shot; now he's slicing with it, trying to incorporate some variety, some movement. But this shot is still complete shit. I'm not sugarcoating this. The problem is that when Roger gets trapped at an angle on the backhand side, he is unable to get the ball back with any mustard. At best he can angle it back.

He's not fooling anyone. Roger - do like Pete and just focus on grass while you can still win on it.

try putting things in perspective for once. try it. you might even like it.

here i will help:

its all relative. its the best single hander i have seen in terms of its variety and relative effectiveness. it was good enough to net him no less than 13 slams. 3 roland garros finals appearances and 3-4 Hamburg titles is not bad either.

now the key fact: yes the backhand is great and its the best single hander i have seen in the open era but the game today has moved away from such a weapon. its not effective enough.

his backhand cannot and does not hold up well against the best backhands on the planet which are invariably the double handers. his backhand is not effective enough against the likes of Djokovic, Murray, Nalby, and the Clay Warrior. and they take full advantage of it. its the age of double handers. they have fewer variables and they alone offer the finishing power needed at the top of the game.

i know i have mentioned this before. last year, fully 100% of the masters events were won by those employing a double hander. and 75% of the slams were won by those using a double hander. it has been no different so far this year. expect that trend to be now permanent. single hander has way too many variables and simply does not hold up on consistent basis in the modern game.

Fed got away with in the past because of his sick movement and the fact that the rest of his game was so damn solid. i mean this guy used to hold serve nearly 90% of the time. that does tend to make things a little easier.

another thing you are forgetting: its his small loss of movement that is making it a little harder to execute that backhand and all his options off that wing. his preparation is not there as it was in the past. there is also some mental strain that he carries that makes things dificult.

we must be fair here old sport.


I think you guys are off target. I agree that Fed's backhand looks like his weak spot and likely is. But is it really shit? Is it the reason he can't beat Nadal?

How are all those players with the blessed double hander doing vs nadal? oh yes..they are loosing just like Roger...:rolleyes:


I watched some Wawrinka and Fed machtes and compared their BH and I didn't think that Wawrinkas BH was really so much better. maybe we apply double standarts cause Fed's BH looks weaker against his FH?

Fed's backhand is less stable then double handed BH but it also gives him more options which work well with his style, i think. I'm not sure if he really would be better off with a double handed BH. would he have been mental stable he would now own 15 Slams. had has all the options to keep everybody in check off clay...