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Rome R2 : Juan Monaco def Andy Murray 1-6 6-3 7-5

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Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 02:55 PM
This was a humourous match. Pico couldn't find a hooker in a brothel in the 1st set, let alone his game.

Monaco had lots of problem consolidating on breaks lead *4-2 in the 3rd and lost it to love. In the 11th game Murray got footfaulted on the first point.

Some quality dropshots from Monaco, the right result in the end.

federernadalfan
04-29-2009, 02:55 PM
just wow :eek::eek:

Lopez
04-29-2009, 02:55 PM
From what I saw, Murray was pretty awful. Very passive. Then when he tried to turn his game on in the end, he missed the crucial shots.

Nice result for Monaco.

What a stark contrast, first watching Tsonga and Gasquet ripping the ball then watching these guys pushing it.

LocoPorElTenis
04-29-2009, 02:55 PM
:haha: at those that said that Muzza is a top contender on clay... first semi-decent claycourter he faced, and he's out.

finishingmove
04-29-2009, 02:56 PM
pico is a spartan in my book.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 02:56 PM
No, Murray just sucks on clay.

LinkMage
04-29-2009, 02:56 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

What happened to the clay GOAT? :confused:

Billabong
04-29-2009, 02:56 PM
I thought Monaco would lose after he gifted the break for 4-4... Superb play in those last 2 games, those dropshots:drool: Awesome result:yeah:

TMJordan
04-29-2009, 02:56 PM
Monaco. You are my fucking hero. Way to go. I love you.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Lobo's face while watching that match was priceless, glad he was able to hold serve when it counted.

Allez-Ollie
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Bang goes No.3 ranking. Well played Monaco. Nice use of the drop shot.

W!MBLEDON
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
looked to be some awful ball tosses during that last service game for monaco, i'm disappointed but monaco thoroughly deserved this, especially after those flawless drop shots in that final game (didn't get to see a lot of the match)

eck
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
:spit: @ journalist people who thought he was better than Djokovic :tape:


Murray was all kinds of suck, although a very good first set. I think he might be having some sort of groin injury.

Monaco probably is going to challenge Nadal in the "taking-too-long-between-points" department.

Dini
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Well done Pico :bigclap:

Foxy
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Mikey, I guess murray is in deep shit right now. He should work more on his physical conditioning. I sensed he could die out there.

Primus
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
I believe Monaco is more than semi-decent claycourter, but still.

Imaster
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
so much for Andy beating Nadal....:rolleyes:

Goget
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Stats :

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5370/monmur.jpg

VolandriFan
04-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Pico will take a lot from this match. Very nice win for him. :worship:

FedererSlam
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
Andy losing 8 points ina row towards the end of the 3rd the eejit! Still he is playing better on clay than before. Does he still have chances for #3?

tennishero
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
murray tried to push his way through the match, in the end he got outplayed, really nice dropshots by monaco.

habibko
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
well deserved victory for Monaco, after the first set he was the better player by far.

as expected, a good clay courter can still dispose of Murray pretty easily, MC was just a ride on confidence, not really a huge improvement of his clay game.

some dropshots from Monaco were unreal :worship: and the dives :worship:

Clydey
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
Horrible couple of sets from Murray. Deserved nothing from this match. This was pushing in its truest sense, as unlike on hard courts he wasn't doing anything with the ball. He was just putting it in court and give Monaco the same ball constantly.

Deserves 2nd round losses until he realises that he's a better player when he steps inside the court and takes the ball on more.

Deivid23
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
Even though Mónaco played like a donkey tactically, weather was worse for him today than yesterday and he wasn´t sharp at all, he won. Murray has still a lot of flaws on clay for his rivals to exploit

TheBoiledEgg
04-29-2009, 02:58 PM
never in doubt that a CCC would lose :tape:

Monaco :banana:

Masha91
04-29-2009, 02:59 PM
Well done Juan :yeah:

LocoPorElTenis
04-29-2009, 02:59 PM
I sensed he could die out there.

He always looks like he's about to die and then runs like a rabbit for 3 hours

aussie_fan
04-29-2009, 02:59 PM
:haha: at those that said that Muzza is a top contender on clay... first semi-decent claycourter he faced, and he's out.

There is defiantely no reason why Murray can't be just as good on clay. Showed it in MC.

Murray was awful today, just awful.

Queens.
04-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Monaco did play well after the 1st set, but Andy was just :help:

alfonsojose
04-29-2009, 03:00 PM
Murray's junk forehand looks so helpless on clay :help:

Commander Data
04-29-2009, 03:00 PM
What a Mug. Fed is definitely done, he should retire.

oh wait..it was Murray that lost...What a Spartan this Monaco.:rolleyes:

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:01 PM
well deserved victory for Monaco, after the first set he was the better player by far.

as expected, a good clay courter can still dispose of Murray pretty easily, MC was just a ride on confidence, not really a huge improvement of his clay game.

some dropshots from Monaco were unreal :worship: and the dives :worship:

Monaco and Wawrinka are in the same league on clay, so are we really going to judge based on one bad match? I don't think you can disregard MC on the back of one horrific display.

TMJordan
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Murray is still pretty good on clay. Just cuz he lost to a solid clay courter no need to cut him up. Good effort Andy.

Monaco :yeah:

Arhaych
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Murray demonstrated his clay credentials in the first set and then waited for Monaco to self-destruct. It didn't happen

Fair play to the principality, I didn't expect him to come back, he wanted to be somewhere else after that first set mauling.

From my perspective, disappointed with the inconsistency of the performance today!

SheepleBuster
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
This was a humourous match. Pico couldn't find a hooker in a brothel in the 1st set, let alone his game.

Monaco had lots of problem consolidating on breaks lead *4-2 in the 3rd and lost it to love. In the 11th game Murray got footfaulted on the first point.

Some quality dropshots from Monaco, the right result in the end.

Breaking news! Simon Reed has just anointed Juan Monaco as the main challenger to Rafael Nadal at the French Open. My God!

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Andy losing 8 points ina row towards the end of the 3rd the eejit! Still he is playing better on clay than before. Does he still have chances for #3?

Yes. He goes to number 3 unless Nole wins the whole thing.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:02 PM
Monaco and Wawrinka are in the same league on clay, so are we really going to judge based on one bad match? I don't think you can disregard MC on the back of one horrific display.

What Wawrinka handled Murray comfortably on clay and Monaco was average at best today and got the job done.

Dini
04-29-2009, 03:03 PM
What a Mug. Fed is definitely done, he should retire.

oh wait..it was Murray that lost...What a Spartan this Monaco.:rolleyes:

:haha::haha::haha:

HeretiC
04-29-2009, 03:03 PM
Pico was a little bit intimidated at start and he was going for too much making errors. It took him a while to adjust himself against pushing/retrieving game from Murray, but once he did it the destiny of this match was in his hands. Very well deserved win, maybe now Murray camp will start to reassess their decision for Murray to play like this on clay (if it is up to them). :shrug:

rafa_maniac
04-29-2009, 03:03 PM
:haha:

Always good to see the Vampire lose :yeah:

rofe
04-29-2009, 03:03 PM
Murray pushed and paid the price. He should have been more aggressive considering his relatively poor footwork on clay.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:04 PM
What Wawrinka handled Murray comfortably on clay and Monaco was average at best today and got the job done.

Yes, last year he beat him.

It was a bad match. How can you read so much into this match and conveniently read nothing into Monte-Carlo?

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:04 PM
Murray is terrible on clay, MC was a fluke.

rocketassist
04-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Monaco was better than average. He's a grinder with a lot of topspin and heavy strokes and Murray doesn't like that kind of player on a hard court so it's no shock he is loathe to it even more so on clay.

TMJordan
04-29-2009, 03:06 PM
I love you Juan.

shotgun
04-29-2009, 03:06 PM
To be fair to Murray, he was quite unlucky when the qualifiers were placed, getting Monaco instead of donkeys like Hernych or Crivoi. And he still is dependant on his draw to live up to his seeding, even if he improved a lot on the surface from last year.

its.like.that
04-29-2009, 03:06 PM
Murray back into mugmode.

Clown.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:06 PM
Murray is terrible on clay, MC was a fluke.

You don't fluke wins on a tennis court. Unless you get one netcord after another, luck plays no part.

It was just a bad day at the office. Monaco took advantage and deserved the win. :shrug:

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:07 PM
Yes, last year he beat him.

It was a bad match. How can you read so much into this match and conveniently read nothing into Monte-Carlo?

He proved nothing in Monte Carlo. How many times do I have to say this? Roddick made the semis twice in Rome, good results yes, but it means nowt unless it's backed up and Murray needs more consistent results on the surface.

What Monaco isn't better than Lurch Hanescu and the Fog?

Betty
04-29-2009, 03:07 PM
Monaco did play well after the 1st set, but Andy was just :help:
yes that monaco plays well on clay is not a surprise
this is all, andy sucked and lost

scoobs
04-29-2009, 03:08 PM
Well done to Monaco, to overcome such a poor start.

federernadalfan
04-29-2009, 03:08 PM
murray pushed the ball as usual and that cost him the game

Voo de Mar
04-29-2009, 03:08 PM
Very long match in terms of total games.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
He proved nothing in Monte Carlo. How many times do I have to say this? Roddick made the semis twice in Rome, good results yes, but it means nowt unless it's backed up.

What Monaco isn't better than Lurch Hanescu and the Fog?

So Murray loses one match and that erases his good work in MC? I think it's awfully convenient to isolate one result and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess. It doesn't work like that. It's like isolating Fed's match with Wawrinka a couple of weeks ago.

Betty
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
You don't fluke wins on a tennis court. Unless you get one netcord after another, luck plays no part.


james :kiss: let the haters have their orgasm moment because of andy loses..didnt happen so much lately;)

iriraz
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
Monaco can be happy with this result but not with this performance. It was a match with so many ups and downs and in the end Monaco got the momentum on his side.

tennizen
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
Shameful from Murray. Considering this was the tournament he was supposed to get to # 3 in style.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
You don't fluke wins on a tennis court. Unless you get one netcord after another, luck plays no part.

It was just a bad day at the office. Monaco took advantage and deserved the win. :shrug:

Murray played against a match unfit Davy at MC. Monaco actually choked at 4-3 when he lost his serve to love. Still Murray found a way to lose. I dont see him doing much on clay.

~*BGT*~
04-29-2009, 03:10 PM
Murray losing + Gasquet winning = Good day :p

Schu
04-29-2009, 03:11 PM
LOVE YOU Monaco!!!

I'm gonna have to see the last two sets of this on TTC replay later, I was watching a certain Frenchman WIN (for a change)

tennis2tennis
04-29-2009, 03:11 PM
andy's a quick learner...I'm sure he's going to take alot from this match!

prima donna
04-29-2009, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the vCash, Monaco.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Murray losing + Gasquet winning = Good day :p

Roger that. Now only Roger has to win and it would be a perfect day.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:12 PM
Murray played against a match unfit Davy at MC. Monaco actually choked at 4-3 when he lost his serve to love. Still Murray found a way to lose. I dont see him doing much on clay.

That match unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian. It was a good win, regardless of circumstances. Davy obviously wasn't at his best, but he's playing at a high level if he can take out Fat Dave.

mr_burns
04-29-2009, 03:13 PM
there it goes...no 2...

Betty
04-29-2009, 03:13 PM
Shameful from Murray. Considering this was the tournament he was supposed to get to # 3 in style.

yes :o :o ... unreal like he played bad:(

rafa_maniac
04-29-2009, 03:13 PM
So Murray loses one match and that erases his good work in MC? I think it's awfully convenient to isolate one result and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess. It doesn't work like that. It's like isolating Fed's match with Wawrinka a couple of weeks ago.

Interesting hypocrisy considering Murray's "clay court prowess" is also based off of one result in your book.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:13 PM
So Murray loses one match and that erases his good work in MC? I think it's awfully convenient to isolate one result and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess. It doesn't work like that. It's like isolating Fed's match with Wawrinka a couple of weeks ago.

Yes, just proves my point, one good result and Murray is hailed as a clay guru, got to back up good results on the surface, has he done that? No.

Going on the overall previous clay form, him losing early is more common than Murray making the later stages of clay events.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:14 PM
LOVE YOU Monaco!!!

I'm gonna have to see the last two sets of this on TTC replay later, I was watching a certain Frenchman WIN (for a change)

It's not worth watching. It was quite genuinely a stinker of a match. Both players essentially pushed and waited for the other to lose patience.

Radalek
04-29-2009, 03:16 PM
So Murray loses one match and that erases his good work in MC? I think it's awfully convenient to isolate one result and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess. It doesn't work like that. It's like isolating Fed's match with Wawrinka a couple of weeks ago.

It can also be said that it's awfully convenient to isolate MC and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess...I'm not saying he isn't/won't be good clay court player, but he need some consistent results to back it up...

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:16 PM
Yes, just proves my point, one good result and Murray is hailed as a clay guru, got to back up good results on the surface, has he done that? No.

Going on the overall previous clay form, him losing early is more common than Murray making the later stages of clay events.

Who called him a clay court guru? I haven't claimed anything beyond a good deal of progress since last year. I certainly wasn't one of the people suggesting he was going to beat Rafa. I also expressed my surprise at his odds for the French.

I just don't think you can disregard everything that happened two weeks ago because he lost a tight match to Monaco while playing probably his worst tennis of the year.

groundstroke
04-29-2009, 03:17 PM
The forehand drop shot in the last game by Monaco - top stuff.

Arhaych
04-29-2009, 03:18 PM
When's the last time Andy lost this early in a MS event? Hamburg 2008?

Aenea
04-29-2009, 03:18 PM
Good job, Pico :clap2: The true clay-court Spartan won :D

Good luck in the next round

Radalek
04-29-2009, 03:18 PM
That match unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian. It was a good win, regardless of circumstances. Davy obviously wasn't at his best, but he's playing at a high level if he can take out Fat Dave.

That unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian few hours earlier on the same day he played against Murray...You're telling me that he was fit and at his best?

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Interesting hypocrisy considering Murray's "clay court prowess" is also based off of one result in your book.

So many things wrong with this post.

Firstly, I haven't made any claims about Murray's clay court prowess. I just think he is a lot better than last year and one tight loss to a very good clay courter doesn't change that. That is the extent of my argument.

SheepleBuster
04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Murray is done. He should retire. In fact, everyone who loses to a lower ranked player should retire. Seriously, Murray wasn't going to be a big factor on Clay. he is going to have a hard time beating people at RG. I do think he will make the quarters if the draw is kind to him but in 3 out of 5 sets, I can see Murray getting impatient and losing his way. He can still be a dark-horse at Roland Garros. Imagine if Fed reached the final and had to face Murray instead of Nadal. I am not sure Federer would be too happy :)

danielmom
04-29-2009, 03:19 PM
Always good to see Murray lose. But in all fairness, Monaco is a pretty good clay court player so not a big suprise.

Arhaych
04-29-2009, 03:20 PM
You can only beat what is put in front of you.

Bazooka
04-29-2009, 03:20 PM
If Murray doesn't earn decent points in clay, he can forget about #1 in a long time. You need to win everywhere and all year round.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:21 PM
That match unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian. It was a good win, regardless of circumstances. Davy obviously wasn't at his best, but he's playing at a high level if he can take out Fat Dave.

One good win is possible when you are not matych fit.

LinkMage
04-29-2009, 03:21 PM
I love you Juan.

Hehe.

Where is the other 1.1M? You should have 3.9M. ;)

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:22 PM
It can also be said that it's awfully convenient to isolate MC and then use that as an example of Murray's clay court prowess...I'm not saying he isn't/won't be good clay court player, but he need some consistent results to back it up...

Once again, I have made no such claims. The point is that Murray put in a couple of good performances two weeks ago. I don't think you can disregard those performances based on one tight loss. It was a bad performance, but MTF is so fickle that you'd think Murray has made no progress whatsoever.

Murray is a better clay courter than last year. I haven't claimed anything beyond that.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:22 PM
Who called him a clay court guru? I haven't claimed anything beyond a good deal of progress since last year. I certainly wasn't one of the people suggesting he was going to beat Rafa. I also expressed my surprise at his odds for the French.

I just don't think you can disregard everything that happened two weeks ago because he lost a tight match to Monaco while playing probably his worst tennis of the year.

Like I said Roddick made 2 semis at Rome. Sampras and Agassi won TMS events on clay, yet there were questions raised about their pedigree on clay and in most cases, with good reason. So why is Murray any different?

He hasn't proven a thing, it's just a good result in isolation and counts for nowt, if there are going to be a lack of other good results on the surface. Nadal was able to do it on grass and other players have been able to do it on their respective weaker surfaces, but not just on 1 event.

Monaco didn't play well either, or are you forgetting this?

Howard
04-29-2009, 03:22 PM
Murray is done. He should retire. In fact, everyone who loses to a lower ranked player should retire. That would leave only the "Bye" guy on the circuit. He always loses but only to higher ranked players.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:24 PM
Murray should skip the clay court season and go pratice for Wimby, that would be more productive for him.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:26 PM
Like I said Roddick made 2 semis at Rome. Sampras and Agassi won TMS events on clay, yet there were questions raised about their pedigree on clay and in most cases, with good reason. So why is Murray any different?

He hasn't proven a thing, it's just a good result in isolation and counts for nowt, if there are going to be a lack of other good results on the surface. Nadal was able to do it on grass and other players have been able to do it on their respective weaker surfaces, but not just on 1 event.

Monaco didn't play well either, or are you forgetting this?

I didn't say that you couldn't question his clay court pedigree. Of course you can. However, you cannot point to the Monaco match as some sort of vindication. And no, I don't think last year's results are relevant. He wasn't the same player on any surface.

If Murray has a shocker for the rest of the clay court stretch, fair enough. My only gripe is the notion that this loss somehow proves something. It was a loss. It happens. It's no more relevant than a loss to Kevin Anderson or Stan Wawrinka. If it becomes a habit, you then have a point.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:28 PM
That unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian few hours earlier on the same day he played against Murray...You're telling me that he was fit and at his best?

That is precisely the opposite of what I said. Did you just ignore what I said in the post that you quoted?

That match unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian. It was a good win, regardless of circumstances. Davy obviously wasn't at his best, but he's playing at a high level if he can take out Fat Dave.

Seriously, take a second to read before you reply.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:28 PM
Murray should skip the clay court season and go pratice for Wimby, that would be more productive for him.

So Murray has changed his name to Roddick now, has he?

rafa_maniac
04-29-2009, 03:29 PM
Firstly, I haven't made any claims about Murray's clay court prowess. I just think he is a lot better than last year

:lol: That's a claim. And it's based off of what? Exactly, one result. I'm not necessarily disputing it, but you need to recognise what you're saying here.

and one tight loss to a very good clay courter doesn't change that.

Juan Monaco is a decent clay courter, but not someone Murray should be losing to.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:31 PM
So Murray has changed his name to Roddick now, has he?

Pretty much yeah.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 03:32 PM
I didn't say that you couldn't question his clay court pedigree. Of course you can. However, you cannot point to the Monaco match as some sort of vindication. And no, I don't think last year's results are relevant. He wasn't the same player on any surface.

If Murray has a shocker for the rest of the clay court stretch, fair enough. My only gripe is the notion that this loss somehow proves something. It was a loss. It happens. It's no more relevant than a loss to Kevin Anderson or Stan Wawrinka. If it becomes a habit, you then have a point.

So he is a better player now than he was last year, that should transfer to all surfaces. I am not convinced that it's going to happen on clay, consistently. It won't be hard that to change the minds of the sceptics, if he does perform better on it.

He has 2 more events and we'll see what happens, look no Hanescu, Fog and a guy playing his first tournament in 2 months who played 3 sets earlier in the day. First reasonable test in equal conditions and didn't pass.

Arhaych
04-29-2009, 03:32 PM
Murray should skip the clay court season and go pratice for Wimby, that would be more productive for him.

Federer should be going to antenatal classes, more productive for him.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:33 PM
:lol: That's a claim. And it's based off of what? Exactly, one result. I'm not necessarily disputing it, but you need to recognise what you're saying here.

Fine, I'll rephrase for the pedants among us. I haven't made any bold claims about his clay court prowess.


Juan Monaco is a decent clay courter, but not someone Murray should be losing to.

Just like Wawrinka isn't someone Fed should be losing to, or just like Kevin Anderson isn't someone Djokovic should be losing to?

It's a loss. It's pretty easy to blow it out of proportion.

tangerine_dream
04-29-2009, 03:33 PM
So Muzza's a contender on clay who could seriously push Rafa at the French Open?

Excuse me while I http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif


Corettja = Legend.

For Mikey, Clydey, and Nina. http://www.tenerifeforum.com/images/smilies/tenerife-forum-blow-kiss-smiley.gif

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:33 PM
Federer should be going to antenatal classes, more productive for him.

Whats that?

rafa_maniac
04-29-2009, 03:37 PM
Just like Wawrinka isn't someone Fed should be losing to, or just like Kevin Anderson isn't someone Djokovic should be losing to?

It's a loss. It's pretty easy to blow it out of proportion.

I'm not claiming this loss means anything :shrug: As of now I consider Murray an able, yet extremely vulnerable player on clay. It's just that I don't think this loss is any less meaningful than his performance in Monte Carlo, not until we've seen more of the "new, improved" Murray on this surface.

Clay Death
04-29-2009, 03:37 PM
disappointing performance from Murray. i think he still has a lot to prove on clay.

on the other side of the ledger, good win for Monaco. he will get a little confidence boost from this.

Hurley
04-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Yes. He goes to number 3 unless Nole wins the whole thing.

Incorrect. Nole stays #3.

Art&Soul
04-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Always good to see the pusher out :devil: The number #4 was totally outplayed by decent clay courter :o

leng jai
04-29-2009, 03:41 PM
You know you don't have to respond to every post clydey.

SheepleBuster
04-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Juan Monaco is a dope. The guy needs to play much better on clay. I thought he was going to bagel Murray twice. Murray is a great hard court player and he is going to be good on clay but Monaco makes a living on clay. Still Murray could have won without even getting close to playing anything great. $10 here says Federer will join Murray soon :)

Sapeod
04-29-2009, 03:42 PM
Absolutely pathetic from Murray :o Guess we'll have to wait until next year before he gets the any better on this surface :sad:

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:43 PM
Incorrect. Nole stays #3.

I think you're wrong. Nole has to win Rome to stay at number 3, if I remember right.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:44 PM
You know you don't have to respond to every post clydey.

Of course I do.

Radalek
04-29-2009, 03:44 PM
That is precisely the opposite of what I said. Did you just ignore what I said in the post that you quoted?



Seriously, take a second to read before you reply.
You missed my point.How can you say that he was good enough to beat Nalby and use that as comparasion to his match against Murray which was played few hours later?You simply can't use that match as any indicator...

Pfloyd
04-29-2009, 03:44 PM
Wow, did not expect this, Murray better do well in Madrid if he finally wants to topple Djokovic (or Federer depending on how he performs in this tournament)

Santorofan
04-29-2009, 03:46 PM
Ok so one more time, is it definite that, despite falling on his face today, Murray climbs to No. 3 this week unless Djokovic successfully defends title?

xargon
04-29-2009, 03:47 PM
"He is calm and he is doing well. But he cannot be stressed." Corretja on Murry

http://www.sportinglife.com/tennis/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=tennis/09/04/29/TENNIS_Murray_Corretja.html

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:48 PM
You missed my point.How can you say that he was good enough to beat Nalby and use that as comparasion to his match against Murray which was played few hours later?You simply can't use that match as any indicator...

Because he was still playing at a high level. Murray played twice that day as well. He didn't play for as long as Davy, but it doesn't change the fact that he was still playing at a high level.

I said explicitly that Davydenko was not at his best. However, that was more to do with the 2 matches in one day than his time off, since he was able to beat Nalbandian.

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:49 PM
Ok so one more time, is it definite that, despite falling on his face today, Murray climbs to No. 3 this week unless Djokovic successfully defends title?

95% sure that this is right.

Radalek
04-29-2009, 03:51 PM
I think you're wrong. Nole has to win Rome to stay at number 3, if I remember right.

Hm, since Rome points are gone after Belgrade tournament Novak might stay #3 if he reaches final and wins Belgrade.Belgrade is 250 points and Novak can earn 160 if he wins...that would put him 20 points ahead...But that needs to be checked to be honest...

Puschkin
04-29-2009, 03:52 PM
What a stark contrast, first watching Tsonga and Gasquet ripping the ball then watching these guys pushing it.

:)

Clydey
04-29-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm actually not sure whether this was a problem with the surface, to be honest. Monaco pushed Andy on hard a few weeks ago, so I think it might be a problem with his style more than it was with the surface.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 03:52 PM
Juan Monaco is a dope. The guy needs to play much better on clay. I thought he was going to bagel Murray twice. Murray is a great hard court player and he is going to be good on clay but Monaco makes a living on clay. Still Murray could have won without even getting close to playing anything great. $10 here says Federer will join Murray soon :)

Your on. but lets make it $1k.

guptaji
04-29-2009, 03:53 PM
Incorrect. Nole stays #3.

Clyde is right. Nole can't retain #3 unless he wins the championship.

Forehander
04-29-2009, 03:53 PM
I have a feeling Federer will take this tournament pretty easily.

Radalek
04-29-2009, 03:53 PM
Because he was still playing at a high level. Murray played twice that day as well. He didn't play for as long as Davy, but it doesn't change the fact that he was still playing at a high level.

I said explicitly that Davydenko was not at his best. However, that was more to do with the 2 matches in one day than his time off, since he was able to beat Nalbandian.

I don't recall Davy playing at a high level at the end at all, he was clearly very tired and wasn't moving well...
And he just lost to Melzer too...

Forehander
04-29-2009, 03:59 PM
The only reason Murray got off to a good start on clay in monte carlo was solely because of his dominant fashion he displayed on hard courts. Mug opponents in his piss easy draw showed way too much respect to his game so ends up playing like crap going for too much while it was totally unnecessary. They thought Murray could maintain the level he played on hard court, but makes a huge mistake. Now they've learnt, good bye to Andy Murray on clay 2009.

Merton
04-29-2009, 03:59 PM
Well done to Pico to close it out when he was in the position to do so. Murray's clay bandwagon gets derailed a little but the expectations still sky-high. I am curious to see his odds to win the French after the end f this event.

scoobs
04-29-2009, 04:00 PM
You need more than one semi run at a masters to prove you've got it on clay, and that's still for Murray to prove as far as I'm concerned. This result is as discouraging as Monte Carlo was encouraging, because this one felt a lot as though it were self-inflicted. He totally lost his way out there, completely lost the sense of how he needed to construct the points and ended up trying a lot of awful desperation dropshots that weren't even hit well.

So, yes, bad day at the office, he will have them from time to time. But he doesn't have the depth of results behind him to automatically shake this off as an aberration. I can understand why people choose to argue that Monte Carlo was the aberration, and it's still for Murray to prove otherwise as far as I'm concerned.

freeandlonely
04-29-2009, 04:00 PM
Wow

Sapeod
04-29-2009, 04:06 PM
The only reason Murray got off to a good start on clay in monte carlo was solely because of his dominant fashion he displayed on hard courts. Mug opponents in his piss easy draw showed way too much respect to his game so ends up playing like crap going for too much while it was totally unnecessary. They thought Murray could maintain the level he played on hard court, but makes a huge mistake. Now they've learnt, good bye to Andy Murray on clay 2009.
:haha:

Merton
04-29-2009, 04:08 PM
You need more than one semi run at a masters to prove you've got it on clay, and that's still for Murray to prove as far as I'm concerned. This result is as discouraging as Monte Carlo was encouraging, because this one felt a lot as though it were self-inflicted. He totally lost his way out there, completely lost the sense of how he needed to construct the points and ended up trying a lot of awful desperation dropshots that weren't even hit well.

So, yes, bad day at the office, he will have them from time to time. But he doesn't have the depth of results behind him to automatically shake this off as an aberration. I can understand why people choose to argue that Monte Carlo was the aberration, and it's still for Murray to prove otherwise as far as I'm concerned.

Just a case of missing data then, I completely agree with this post. Andy will play two more tournaments on clay this season so we will get more information. Still in my mind his forehand on clay is a chronic weakness but that shouldn't prevent him from posting solid results eventually. It might not be the case this year though.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 04:10 PM
:haha:

:haha:

Sapeod
04-29-2009, 04:13 PM
:haha:
:lol: I've got to say, a lot of people on MTF think if a top player loses one match badly then they are finished. Bunch of :retard: (Not you Ru-an. You didn't say he's finished)

Ciarán.
04-29-2009, 04:14 PM
Awful. Hands Nole No.3, again.

Kiman
04-29-2009, 04:15 PM
People should not be so harsh to this Clydey guy, since, I am a witness, he have never claimed that Murray is top star clay-courter (although it would help him not being in such a fighting mood all the time). I think he was pretty rational about that. In the middle of our discussion in another topic, some Sawwan or something jumped in claiming Murray is the first to beat Rafa on red stuff.
Still, Clydey man, all the big variety you told me about should really help Muzza translate better to other surfaces, no?

scoobs
04-29-2009, 04:17 PM
This fuss about the #3 is also bollocks. The results matter, not the ranking. You get the results, the ranking follows automatically. Whether or not Andy does get to #3 when Rome 2008 falls off the computer, this is still a disappointing R2 loss and that's what Andy should be fussed about, in my view.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 04:18 PM
:lol: I've got to say, a lot of people on MTF think if a top player loses one match badly then they are finished. Bunch of :retard: (Not you Ru-an. You didn't say he's finished)

I know, when Fed loses in the final of a GS hes done.

Dini
04-29-2009, 04:20 PM
But give Pico some credit too...he is no slouch on Clay- all his titles have come there. So it was a tough one for Andy right from the outset. And I saw Pico play some incredible volleys that are a higher standard than his ranking shows.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 04:20 PM
This fuss about the #3 is also bollocks. The results matter, not the ranking. You get the results, the ranking follows automatically. Whether or not Andy does get to #3 when Rome 2008 falls off the computer, this is still a disappointing R2 loss and that's what Andy should be fussed about, in my view.

Its takes pressure off Fed as well, If he does well in Rome he will get away from Murray.

«Ivan»
04-29-2009, 04:21 PM
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Dini
04-29-2009, 04:24 PM
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huh :confused:

finishingmove
04-29-2009, 04:25 PM
:spit:

sLayer
04-29-2009, 04:27 PM
Come on PICO!

Andi-M
04-29-2009, 04:44 PM
Lol 1st Murray match Ive missed in a long time and he loses :mad:, i cant commet as i didnt see it ounds like he was pathetically passive and deserved loss.

I think Murray gets ahead of himself sometimes, I think he was concentating on playing Nadal and reaching the no 3 before he'd got there. Its normal he's young we all do it. This kick up the backside will be good for Murray. :D

Well done Monaco

scoobs
04-29-2009, 04:45 PM
He should have to do the forfeits like wigs and makeup when he loses matches.

That might encourage him in those clutch moments.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 04:45 PM
Corretja is a mug.

scarecrows
04-29-2009, 04:47 PM
expected loss for clay god murray

ToniTennis
04-29-2009, 04:51 PM
Incorrect. Nole stays #3.

Mmm, I think Clydey's right. If Nole doesn't win the tournament he loses 400 points, and he's barely 100 points away from Andy so if my maths are correct he gets that #3. Not in the stylish way he would've probably wanted, but still...

Andi-M
04-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Corretja is a mug.

I did find it weird Murray in his pre-Rome interview said he needed to be more patient on clay, I would of thought it would be the opposite he need to be less patient and more agressive earlier on in rallies.

Maybe Alex is teaching Murray to play clay like a natural claycourter rather than intergrating claycourt tactics into Murray strengths?

morningglory
04-29-2009, 04:58 PM
wtf is this? :spit: :lol: :haha:
Well seems like Djoko might get to keep his #3...

GlennMirnyi
04-29-2009, 05:01 PM
:lol:

Funny result.

jazar
04-29-2009, 05:04 PM
nice one juan. bet murray thought he had it sewn up after the first, what a twat

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 05:17 PM
I did find it weird Murray in his pre-Rome interview said he needed to be more patient on clay, I would of thought it would be the opposite he need to be less patient and more agressive earlier on in rallies.

Maybe Alex is teaching Murray to play clay like a natural claycourter rather than intergrating claycourt tactics into Murray strengths?

Corretja knows nothing about attacking tennis, he is a pusher mug. The only thing he might have helped Murray with is the movement.

HeretiC
04-29-2009, 05:18 PM
That match unfit Davy was good enough to beat Nalbandian. It was a good win, regardless of circumstances. Davy obviously wasn't at his best, but he's playing at a high level if he can take out Fat Dave.

He was able to take Nalbandian in last 3 meeting on clay and one of those was in DC in Argentina. Being a bad match up on clay for Nalbandian doesn't mean that he is playing good. It means nothing translated to Murray's clay game. Andy is getting better results on clay mostly because he is a higher seed and gets kinder draws not because he is improved much on clay. I was saying all that week in MC that he is playing awful, he played good only in last couple of games in Nadal match. For god sake he was down 0-5 against Fognini and break down in second set. :eek: I know he is able to play much better on clay courts but he choses wrong approach to clay court game and that makes him to play below his abilities and that is why I am criticizing him. He can improve his fitness up to the sky but that "chicken run" push/retrieve won't cut a deal against any decent clay-courter especially in best of 5. It did not cut the deal in best of 3 today either.

Murray is done. He should retire. In fact, everyone who loses to a lower ranked player should retire. Seriously, Murray wasn't going to be a big factor on Clay. he is going to have a hard time beating people at RG. I do think he will make the quarters if the draw is kind to him but in 3 out of 5 sets, I can see Murray getting impatient and losing his way. He can still be a dark-horse at Roland Garros. Imagine if Fed reached the final and had to face Murray instead of Nadal. I am not sure Federer would be too happy :)

:haha: Federer would probably pay something like 10 million bucks for an opportunity like that.

timafi
04-29-2009, 05:32 PM
nice choke there in the first set Juan:mad: but glad you beat that punk:woohoo: :woohoo:
best news of the day:yeah:

batavlada
04-29-2009, 05:38 PM
bad day for murray. just that.

Black Adam
04-29-2009, 05:47 PM
Like I said Roddick made 2 semis at Rome. Sampras and Agassi won TMS events on clay, yet there were questions raised about their pedigree on clay and in most cases, with good reason. So why is Murray any different?

He hasn't proven a thing, it's just a good result in isolation and counts for nowt, if there are going to be a lack of other good results on the surface. Nadal was able to do it on grass and other players have been able to do it on their respective weaker surfaces, but not just on 1 event.

Monaco didn't play well either, or are you forgetting this?You make it sound as if Agassi was a douche that didn't have Clay qualities. I doubt that of all posters, I need to remind you of Andre's illustrious career on the dirt. It's almost 10 years since Andre ruined your Medvedev dream and it might be time to let go :haha: :wavey:

ossie
04-29-2009, 05:50 PM
i guess it was kinda expected and i think its fair to say murray is more of a hardcourt player

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 05:51 PM
You make it sound as if Agassi was a douche that didn't have Clay qualities. I doubt that of all posters, I need to remind you of Andre's illustrious career on the dirt. It's almost 10 years since Andre ruined your Medvedev dream and it might be time to let go :haha: :wavey:

You read it wrong as usual. Agassi did very well on clay with his hardcourt game, but he had things go his way and took advantage of it. Funny how he was never a factor when the clay field was at its strongest between 92 and 98 and won in the freak 99.

Yeah, beat a guy ranked #100 in the final, what a scalp. Funny that Sampras had better wins on the surface, but we know who had the better record.

Nice try.

Macbrother
04-29-2009, 05:54 PM
Agassi did very well on clay with his hardcourt game


I think this is the most magnanimous thing you've said about Agassi's clay game.. ever. I'm shocked, really. Baby steps.

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 05:58 PM
I think this is the most magnanimous thing you've said about Agassi's clay game.. ever. I'm shocked, really. Baby steps.

Apart from Moya in 99, which top clay player did he beat near their peak? Well, did he do well with his game. Yes, therefore case closed.

scoobs
04-29-2009, 05:59 PM
Still, Agassi wasn't that bad on clay - I mean, he did make three RG finals. That's not a fluke, even without a natural clay game.

Manila ESQ
04-29-2009, 06:03 PM
Corretja is a mug.

Hahaha... Time for a pay cut!

Forehander
04-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Murray's 2009 clay season is over. He'll lose in in 2nd or 3rd rounds in all of his upcoming clay tournaments of the year.

FedFan_2007
04-29-2009, 06:05 PM
So much for Murray becoming No. 3 on clay. No excuses either, had a week off.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 06:10 PM
Still, Agassi wasn't that bad on clay - I mean, he did make three RG finals. That's not a fluke, even without a natural clay game.

Yes but Agassi was a freak, he had the best ground strokes of all time.

Manila ESQ
04-29-2009, 06:12 PM
Apart from Moya in 99, which top clay player did he beat near their peak? Well, did he do well with his game. Yes, therefore case closed.

But I think you're missing the point. The earlier complaint was merely your attempt to bunch Agassi with Sampras in relation to their clay court game. Agassi may not be as good as your so-called "top clay players", but he is definitely better, by a long mile, than Pete in clay.

tennisfan444
04-29-2009, 06:12 PM
:(

pica_pica
04-29-2009, 06:14 PM
:eek:
I didn't watch the match....I just turned on and checked and :eek:
Well done Monaco...
Must watch some highlights later......Murray's actually winning more points....
It's really ridiculous that some journalists said "Nadal fears Murray on clay" or "Murray better than Djokovic on clay" :haha:

Corey Feldman
04-29-2009, 06:19 PM
Horrible performance by all accounts

but who cares, its only clay

best is yet to come this season

pica_pica
04-29-2009, 06:23 PM
Just read through some posts...
I'm no fan of Murray but I think it's fair to say he has indeed improved on clay or at least tried
It's also clear that he's much better on hard courts
Still more to learn though, but full credit for his improvements

Erica86
04-29-2009, 06:23 PM
Is this the guy who is supposed to threaten Nadal in Roland Garros? Don't make me laugh.

Okonsky
04-29-2009, 06:26 PM
Well done Monaco.

Har-Tru
04-29-2009, 06:27 PM
Murray pushed and paid the price. He should have been more aggressive considering his terribly poor footwork on clay.

Fixed.

Farenhajt
04-29-2009, 06:28 PM
What a brilliant claycourter this Murray is :eek:

Obviously he has MUCH bigger claycourt game than Novak, and IS the Real Number Two :rocker2:

(Real Number Two - should this pun be intended? Hmmmm...)

And Clydey proved once more he's unsurpassable tennis expert :worship:

vidanhv
04-29-2009, 06:28 PM
Just no comment. What the hell was that!?! He cannot do any harm on clay to any of the three he is trying to challenge. Better luck on grass.

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 06:31 PM
I am the real expert here, i always knew Murray would suck on clay. His FH doesnt have enough penetration and it falls short. His brand of pushing is not good on clay.

Corey Feldman
04-29-2009, 06:31 PM
Faren, Nole is the real no.4, from Rafa's mouth to your ears

tangerine_dream
04-29-2009, 06:34 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/5183297/Rafael-Nadal-tips-Andy-Murray-for-Roland-Garros-glory.html) — Telegraph.co.uk

UK media at it again. :haha:

Har-Tru
04-29-2009, 06:34 PM
I am the real expert here

but of course you are.

Farenhajt
04-29-2009, 06:35 PM
Faren, Nole is the real no.4, from Rafa's mouth to your ears

:haha:

[(C) Linda]

pica_pica
04-29-2009, 06:42 PM
Rafael Nadal to Novak Djokovic after Monte Carlo Final
"you play well this week, you deserve your number 4 ranking, congrats"

:eek: I must have missed something. Did Rafa really say that???? :eek: (any videos?)
I think Rafa must be paying no attention to whatever's happening to the other 3 fighting below him and by his observation he thought Murray's already No.3.......

Btw, it's likely that after this week Murray passes Novak in ranking and Novak passes Murray in the race

ORGASMATRON
04-29-2009, 06:45 PM
but of course you are.

:cool:

Okonsky
04-29-2009, 06:46 PM
Rafael Nadal to Novak Djokovic after Monte Carlo Final
"you play well this week, you deserve your number 4 ranking, congrats"



Obvious mistake, he apologized later...but C. Feldman has problem with facts. I miss Escude, funny guy unlike this Feldman.

vidanhv
04-29-2009, 06:51 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/5183297/Rafael-Nadal-tips-Andy-Murray-for-Roland-Garros-glory.html) — Telegraph.co.uk

UK media at it again. :haha:
Oh gosh... What is wrong with British media? Honestly!

Corey Feldman
04-29-2009, 06:51 PM
Obvious mistake, he apologized later...but C. Feldman has problem with facts. I miss Escude, funny guy unlike this Feldman.:hug:

Okonsky
04-29-2009, 06:58 PM
:hug:

:kiss: (how gay):angel:

heya
04-29-2009, 07:01 PM
Mr. 1000 times Superior Touch and Power Murray :bowdown:

Johnny Groove
04-29-2009, 07:01 PM
Awesome win for Monaco.

Har-Tru
04-29-2009, 07:03 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/5183297/Rafael-Nadal-tips-Andy-Murray-for-Roland-Garros-glory.html) — Telegraph.co.uk

UK media at it again. :haha:

wow. just wow.

Ivanatis
04-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Pico:D

LinkMage
04-29-2009, 07:05 PM
No come on's today when his rival made UEs? :awww:

Har-Tru
04-29-2009, 07:05 PM
Murray might have won some matches in Monaco, but he couldn't beat the Juan.


Now come on, give it to me... :)

heya
04-29-2009, 07:07 PM
Rafael Nadal to Novak Djokovic after Monte Carlo Final
"you play well this week, you deserve your number 4 ranking, congrats"

:eek: I must have missed something. Did Rafa really say that???? :eek: (any videos?)
I think Rafa must be paying no attention to whatever's happening to the other 3 fighting below him
What an obsessive-compulsive douche. Stick to playing like tennis is the only thing worth living for, Nadal. You and Federer don't have the most eloquent words.:o

Chair Umpire
04-29-2009, 07:10 PM
Shocking result, Murray must have played like shit.

scoobs
04-29-2009, 07:12 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/5183297/Rafael-Nadal-tips-Andy-Murray-for-Roland-Garros-glory.html) — Telegraph.co.uk

UK media at it again. :haha:
They make me ashamed to be British.

Dougie
04-29-2009, 07:16 PM
Murray has no clay game. It´s all drop shots and moonballs. It´s like he´s playing the way he thinks he´s supposed to play on clay, but this match really showed what´s the difference between someone who knows hopw to play on clay and someone who thinks he does.

pica_pica
04-29-2009, 07:21 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" — Telegraph.co.uk

Rafa was just his usual modest self...he always praises and gives credit for others, no?
:worship: The UK media has done an amazing job squeezing out every drop of syrup they want and further sweetened them...now they are getting tooth decay :haha:

bizzle
04-29-2009, 07:23 PM
lame

scoobs
04-29-2009, 07:25 PM
"Rafael Nadal tips Andy Murray for Roland Garros glory" — Telegraph.co.uk

Rafa was just his usual modest self...he always praises and gives credit for others, no?
:worship: The UK media has done an amazing job squeezing out every drop of syrup they want and further sweetened them...now they are getting tooth decay :haha:
It's such a typical thing - this is the guy who said the other year that an Italian started as favourite against him - on clay, because they were in Rome. He just does this, he talks everyone up in some way. Typically the British media jump on it and blow it up into headline news. I wonder if Nadal does it for laughs, honestly.

tennishero
04-29-2009, 07:27 PM
No come on's today when his rival made UEs? :awww:

he did a few times. but he lost anyway lol

Geo
04-29-2009, 07:30 PM
:spit: :haha:

well done Monaco :bigclap: :clap2:


People, Murray is still a hardcourt specialist :shrug: stop annointing him as the "real #2 player". He has nothing on Federer and Djokovic off of hardcourts.

nkhera1
04-29-2009, 07:38 PM
:spit: :haha:

well done Monaco :bigclap: :clap2:


People, Murray is still a hardcourt specialist :shrug: stop annointing him as the "real #2 player". He has nothing on Federer and Djokovic off of hardcourts.

Yeah but the majority of the year is played on hardcourts so if he plays like he has on those surfaces and at Wimbledon that my be good enough depending on how his biggest rivals do.

lamnathalie
04-29-2009, 07:40 PM
I knew it...:haha:

heya
04-29-2009, 07:55 PM
Yeah but the majority of the year is played on hardcourts so if he plays like he has on those surfaces and at Wimbledon that my be good enough depending on how his biggest rivals do.#1 and #2 players don't just do well because of cakewalk draws on all surfaces (Since 2003, Federer looked like a genius with worshipping, slow-assed players).

Action Jackson
04-29-2009, 07:58 PM
Thanks Tangy, brilliant find.

Tutu
04-29-2009, 08:36 PM
:woohoo:

Murray is so much better than Novak!!!1111

Go Juan, keep it up. :bowdown:

Arkulari
04-29-2009, 08:37 PM
so right now, Muzza will be #3? what results does he need to be #2 by RG?

Muzza is a very good player technically speaking, but he lacks variety of movement, his footwork in clay is not good :shrug:

ChinoRios4Ever
04-29-2009, 08:39 PM
Good stuff Pico :yeah:

aferlo
04-29-2009, 08:42 PM
Did Andy really want to play? He had no spirit al all, didn´t move, didn´t hit hard the ball. A total disappoinment

Clydey
04-29-2009, 08:43 PM
What a brilliant claycourter this Murray is :eek:

Obviously he has MUCH bigger claycourt game than Novak, and IS the Real Number Two :rocker2:

(Real Number Two - should this pun be intended? Hmmmm...)

And Clydey proved once more he's unsurpassable tennis expert :worship:

Yeah, I made a real fool of myself by saying that Murray has improved on clay since last year. What an outrageous claim.

I didn't say that Murray was going to beat Nadal on clay, nor did I say that he was better than Djokovic. In fact, I said the opposite. What precisely am I supposed to have said that this result has debunked?

KoOlMaNsEaN
04-29-2009, 08:54 PM
Pusher Murray loses. Sooo passive never going for his shots...

jrm
04-29-2009, 08:55 PM
:woohoo:

Whinning Dweeb is out

Andi-M
04-29-2009, 09:04 PM
Murray wants the world no 3 as much as Djokovic wanted the world no 2 last year :lol:.

I fear a slimilar result in Madrid for Murray but i think he will do well at RG, with his seeding we will get a chance to play his way into a tournament not like at AMS events. What concerns me is his tactics, he/alex seem to think copying Nadal will bring him sucess on clay?? It wont he's not Nadal he never will be he is Andy Murray a bloody talented player, play to your strengths!!!!!!!

pogotheorist
04-29-2009, 09:04 PM
so right now, Muzza will be #3? what results does he need to be #2 by RG?
Needs to beat Roger in Madrid by (270 points plus whatever Roger gets here). As calculated by someone at andymurray.com:If Fed goes out in R3 here, Andy would need to win Madrid (whatever else happened) or reach the Final with Fed failing to reach the SFs.

If Fed goes out in the QFs here, Andy would need to win Madrid with Fed not reaching the Final or reach the Final with Fed failing to reach the QFs.

If Fed goes out in the SFs here, Andy would need to win Madrid with Fed not reaching the SFs.

If Fed is the runner-up here, Andy would need to win Madrid with Fed not reaching the QFs.

If Fed wins Rome, he's safe from Andy until after RG.

DhammaTiger
04-29-2009, 09:07 PM
Great win Pico :bigclap:

Jōris
04-29-2009, 09:35 PM
Corey Feldman crying himself to sleep tonight is the only positive I can take from this result.

maki925
04-29-2009, 09:50 PM
:worship:

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-29-2009, 09:53 PM
Someone should tell Murray clay is not for pansies.

What a joke this MM winner clown is.

BaselineSmash
04-29-2009, 09:56 PM
******* ********* *********.

****.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-29-2009, 09:56 PM
Wait a minute. I thought the British media said that Nadal was afraid of Murray on clay? Oh yes, and the English football team will win the World Cup and Lewis Hamilton is the Formula 1 GOAT.

Farenhajt
04-29-2009, 09:59 PM
Yeah, I made a real fool of myself by saying that Murray has improved on clay since last year. What an outrageous claim.

I didn't say that Murray was going to beat Nadal on clay, nor did I say that he was better than Djokovic. In fact, I said the opposite. What precisely am I supposed to have said that this result has debunked?

Don't get so defensive, baby. We all know you're the best there is when it comes to intricacies of the rich tapestry of tennis knowledge :worship:

And where's that sawan toolbox... This day really loses its charms without giving him a golden shower.

Rafa = Fed Killa
04-29-2009, 10:01 PM
Don't get so defensive, baby. We all know you're the best there is when it comes to intricacies of the rich tapestry of tennis knowledge :worship:

And where's that sawan toolbox... This day really loses its charms without giving him a golden shower.

You shouldnt be so rude to the great future #3 player Murray. So what if Murray is a pansy who will never win a GS. Respect his clay brilliance.

Caio_Brasil
04-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Pico :worship:

Too awesome :)

Vamos!

heya
04-29-2009, 10:29 PM
-Andy worships Agassi and Federer. -He's funny and good-looking.
-He's the best in America.
-He can win on all surfaces and is only respectable when he beats Federer.
-He's underrated and people love him only when he brings them money.
-Illegal-coaching advocate Brad Gilbert wants him back.


Wait, that's the wrong Andy.

Acer
04-29-2009, 10:38 PM
Andy "still a mug on clay" Murray

Clydey
04-29-2009, 10:39 PM
Don't get so defensive, baby. We all know you're the best there is when it comes to intricacies of the rich tapestry of tennis knowledge :worship:



Good job avoiding the question.

Don't evade. Answer it. What claim did I make that this result has supposedly debunked?

I suppose it's understandable that you cling to these small victories, what with Murray about to supplant your boy.

ryan23
04-29-2009, 10:44 PM
Murray is shit on clay...end of story

Mr. Oracle
04-29-2009, 11:07 PM
SO much for Murray overtaking Nole anytime soon for #3. Nole will build a huge lead this clay court season, before he overtakes Frauderer by the US Open.

FULL SYSTEMS AHEAD NOLE YOU TENNIS GOD YOU !!

Clydey
04-29-2009, 11:25 PM
SO much for Murray overtaking Nole anytime soon for #3. Nole will build a huge lead this clay court season, before he overtakes Frauderer by the US Open.

FULL SYSTEMS AHEAD NOLE YOU TENNIS GOD YOU !!

I'm afraid that Nole has to win the tournament, likely beating both Fed and Rafa, if he wants to hang onto number 3. Nothing less will do.

Corey Feldman
04-29-2009, 11:37 PM
Corey Feldman crying himself to sleep tonight is the only positive I can take from this result.well you will be dissapointed :lol:

Black Adam
04-29-2009, 11:44 PM
You read it wrong as usual. Agassi did very well on clay with his hardcourt game, but he had things go his way and took advantage of it. Funny how he was never a factor when the clay field was at its strongest between 92 and 98 and won in the freak 99.

Yeah, beat a guy ranked #100 in the final, what a scalp. Funny that Sampras had better wins on the surface, but we know who had the better record.

Nice try.
3 finals for one win totally shreds the argument of Fluke you're trying to impose. Sampras may have occassionally scalped bigger clay names but at the end of the day, Andre won the most important one:rolleyes::p Speaking of luck and undeserving, how come you neglect to mention Gaudio? :o

Between 1992 and 1998, Agassi was in a transitional phase, which was mixed with 3 slam wins but we all know that his stellar years came after FO 1999.

zlaja777
04-29-2009, 11:50 PM
Murray will probably take no 3 after Rome (not only if Djoko defends his title) but I dont see how that could boost his weak clay performances.

iSzavay.
04-30-2009, 12:32 AM
Andy :sobbing::help:.

wenty
04-30-2009, 12:54 AM
Monaco!!! :yeah:

luie
04-30-2009, 01:05 AM
Federer should be going to antenatal classes, more productive for him.
Pappy fed still better than Murray on anysurface when it matters.:p

luie
04-30-2009, 01:11 AM
Needs to beat Roger in Madrid by (270 points plus whatever Roger gets here). As calculated by someone at andymurray.com:
:sad: You posted alot about Murray taking #2 from fed,but you forget calculate that Murray suck on clay. Well better luck in madrid.
All murray has to do is land on fed side of the draw ,hilarious stuff.:wavey:

Mr. Oracle
04-30-2009, 01:12 AM
I'm afraid that Nole has to win the tournament, likely beating both Fed and Rafa, if he wants to hang onto number 3. Nothing less will do.

huh? that doesn't make sense. If Nole advances farther than murray on clay (this is already the second tournament that he has done so), why would he need to beat the other top two to cement a position that he already has. You are aware that every round in a masters tournament is weighted differently are you not? If Murray gets his ass whipped in the first or second round up until june, how in the world can he surpass Nole?

switz
04-30-2009, 01:15 AM
terrible match. I don't think Monaco played more solidly after the first set but certainly didn't produce anything inspiring from what i saw. Murray was shocking.

Clydey
04-30-2009, 01:44 AM
huh? that doesn't make sense. If Nole advances farther than murray on clay (this is already the second tournament that he has done so), why would he need to beat the other top two to cement a position that he already has. You are aware that every round in a masters tournament is weighted differently are you not? If Murray gets his ass whipped in the first or second round up until june, how in the world can he surpass Nole?

Because of how many points Nole is defending. Even though he lost today, Murray still defended the small amount of points he earned in Rome last year. He doesn't lose anything. Djokovic, however, won Rome last year and is defending 1000 points. If he doesn't do it, Murray is close enough right now that he will overtake Djokovic. He has to win the whole tournament or he drops to number 4 in a couple of weeks.

Thanos
04-30-2009, 01:47 AM
swine flu strikes again

Guy Haines
04-30-2009, 02:12 AM
Murray threads provoke the most off-topic arguments.

Murray and Monaco make some games last longer than sets. Same thing with their hard court match in the US earlier this year. Only caught a bit of the second set, but the quality was subpar.

Puzzling that Murray switched back to a pushier style on Italy's faster clay. Monaco has a decent chance to go surprisingly far here.

Snoo Foo
04-30-2009, 02:33 AM
Monaco has a decent chance to go surprisingly far here.

from your mouth fingers keyboard to god's ear eye :scratch:

:armed: dale pico :armed:

Florida
04-30-2009, 02:45 AM
from your mouth fingers keyboard to god's ear eye :scratch:

:armed: dale pico :armed:

Monaco was awesome.Ready to fight till the end. I don't believe he caught Andy by surprise. I believe Andy has to step up his play on clay or pray for the clay season to end as fast as possible. I really don't like his movement on clay. At time he looked very lost and clumsy.:wavey:

green25814
04-30-2009, 03:48 AM
Andy clearly had swine-flu. There is no other possible explanation.

FedFan_2007
04-30-2009, 04:05 AM
Swine-Andy?

Mr. Oracle
04-30-2009, 04:15 AM
Djokovic has to win the whole tournament or he drops to number 4 in a couple of weeks.

Really, show me the math how this is possible? Have you seen the ATP points rankings? I believe Nole has a 500 point lead over Murray right now, why does he have to win anything at all? :retard:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/rankings/

rafa_maniac
04-30-2009, 05:37 AM
:spit: :haha:

well done Monaco :bigclap: :clap2:


People, Murray is still a hardcourt specialist :shrug: stop annointing him as the "real #2 player". He has nothing on Federer and Djokovic off of hardcourts.

Djokovic is no great shakes on grass :shrug:

finishingmove
04-30-2009, 05:46 AM
don't give in, clydey...

hang in there.

W!MBLEDON
04-30-2009, 07:50 AM
8vigOTAguvs

Machiavelli
04-30-2009, 08:06 AM
pico is a spartan in my book.

He showed some nice fighting skills against Andy Beck in Monte Carlo, hope CIlic schools him today....

Bobby
04-30-2009, 08:06 AM
Really, show me the math how this is possible? Have you seen the ATP points rankings? I believe Nole has a 500 point lead over Murray right now, why does he have to win anything at all? :retard:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/rankings/


Because he has a lot of points to defend from last year when he won this same tournament...

chammer44
04-30-2009, 08:18 AM
8vigOTAguvs

Hilarious.

Like a fish flopping around on the beach.

Tennislover3001
04-30-2009, 08:54 AM
Yay! Take that muzza.

Greatness
04-30-2009, 09:17 AM
Unexpected, considering Murray was solid enough in Monte Carlo.
Good effort by Monaco to claim this victory after a brutal spanking in the first set.

Ferrero Forever
04-30-2009, 10:24 AM
8vigOTAguvs

As much as I adore the guy, that was pretty funny (I just hope it didn't hurt him). Must say though that the best thing about that clip was the messy hair once he got back up:inlove:

Still, since I quite like Juan and can't stand Andy, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

ORGASMATRON
04-30-2009, 10:47 AM
Good to see Murray lose, he wins wayyy to much.