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What do you think about Djokovic thinking that he can beat Nadal on clay?

Nichele Hull
04-24-2009, 01:19 PM
TENNIS NEWS


DJOKOVIC: I CAN BEAT NADAL ON CLAY

Novak Djokovic may have been unable to end Rafael Nadal's amazing run of results at Monte Carlo but the Serb firmly believes he has the world number one's number on clay heading into next month's French Open.

Nadal claimed his fifth successive Monte Carlo Masters title with a 6-3 2-6 6-1 win over Djokovic in Sunday's final, and he continues to look unbeatable on his favoured surface.

However, world number three Djokovic produced what he felt was his best performance against the Spaniard on the dirt, bossing the second set and having break points early in the third before eventually caving in.

With the Roland Garros grand slam a month away, few would bet against Nadal making it five titles on the bounce there too but Djokovic reckons he has the weapons to dismantle the Mallorcan on clay.

"Playing him on this surface is in itself a true challenge to find the right tactics," the Serbian said, who slipped to a seventh successive defeat to Nadal on clay.

"But I really believe that one day I can beat him on this surface. I can do it.

"Because I have already produced solid matches against him on clay and now I really see how he plays.

"I will have to raise my level still further, as I did in the second set here."

Sunday's match panned out in a similar way to last year's meeting between the two players in Hamburg, when Nadal won 7-5 2-6 6-2.

That was the closest Djokovic had come to worrying Nadal on clay but he feels he took a step forward.

"I found that here I had more chances to win the match because the playing conditions were quicker and that is an advantage for me," he said.

"But once again, I didn't succeed in breaking him first in the third set, which would probably have changed things."

Nadal, for his part, made more mistakes than usual but was again not taken to the limit and ended up easing to victory in a one-sided finish to the match.

Since the 2005 event in Monte Carlo, he has won 124 of his 126 matches on clay but he did not feel this was one of his tougher matches, despite what Djokovic said to the contrary.

"I have already had difficult finals at Monte Carlo, against (Guillermo) Coria and (Roger) Federer. This hasn't been any harder," the Spaniard said.

"I had more difficulty at Hamburg last year against Djokovic."

Nadal has therefore made another flying start to the clay-court period of the season and he will look for further successes in Barcelona and Rome before returning for another tilt at the title at Roland Garros later in May.


:o :o

gjr
04-24-2009, 01:22 PM
Didn't read it but if you don't think you can win whats the point in playing?

CyBorg
04-24-2009, 01:23 PM
Um, good?

Collective
04-24-2009, 01:24 PM
Agree with gjr... if you don't bring your self belief to court your chances against Nadull go from minimal to nil.

Bazooka
04-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Djokovic can eventually defeat Nadal on clay, maybe one match in ten. Out of pure chance, no one is 100% invincible, like Federer showed in Hamburg and JCF in Rome..

mmmm... just to make it clear, we're talking about best of 3 here.

pica_pica
04-24-2009, 01:27 PM
I don't think he is good enough to beat Rafa this year. Maybe next or next next year if he improves a lot on clay.
But self-belief is good. He always believes no one is unbeatable, even during the time Federer and Nadal dominated everything, and this is how he started winning some matches against them and got to #3. So, I reckon this is good for the sport.

BaselineSmash
04-24-2009, 01:28 PM
Djoko :yeah:

I don't see any mention of RG in those quotes. He's never beating Rafa there, but a TMS win is not beyond his abilities at all. Some of his matches against the #1 on clay have rightly given him the belief that he can do the near-impossible.

tennizen
04-24-2009, 01:29 PM
It's a good thing but if he gets that confidence from taking a set of Nadal, then Fed should have been brimming with confidence:lol:

finishingmove
04-24-2009, 01:33 PM
This thread sucks:

[X] Because it just does.

ORGASMATRON
04-24-2009, 01:34 PM
He can do better then in MC but so can Nadal :shrug:

scarecrows
04-24-2009, 01:35 PM
i think his thinking is not well thought

JolánGagó
04-24-2009, 01:42 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

he's in control.

jonathancrane
04-24-2009, 01:45 PM
He can

MacTheKnife
04-24-2009, 01:46 PM
I think he believes that before a match starts. But as the match wears on, you can almost see Nadal picking away at that belief, and eventually it fades away.

finishingmove
04-24-2009, 01:52 PM
I think he believes that before a match starts. But as the match wears on, you can almost see Nadal picking away at that belief, and eventually it fades away.

it's just a drop in concentration

bobbynorwich
04-24-2009, 01:53 PM
Not much to think about, the usual Djokovic blather.

vamosinator
04-24-2009, 02:14 PM
I don't mind if Djok wants to lose a deciding set again 6-1 thats good to hear. He should understand though that Nadal will probably play better next time they meet so Djok will have to be content with a 6-0 deciding set maybe:o

Johnny Groove
04-24-2009, 02:16 PM
At least he has the right mindset to play him. Djokovic has always had that confidence bordering on arrogance, but in an individual sport like tennis and especially against Nadal on clay, you HAVE to think like that.

It would do no good for him to pull an Almagro and feel blessed to be on the same court as Rafa while he triple breadsticks you.

rafa_maniac
04-24-2009, 02:35 PM
Well, everyone is beatable, even Nadal on clay, and Djokovic has pushed him harder than anyone in the past year and a bit. Obviously you always need to go into matches with self belief, or what's the point? That said I worry a bit for Djokovic if he's going to take that much away from a specific match where Nadal played WELL below his ability on clay and still won rather convincingly.

Clydey
04-24-2009, 02:39 PM
If there's one player who can beat Nadal on clay, it is Djokovic. Federer isn't in the picture at the moment and Murray isn't ready yet.

Dougie
04-24-2009, 02:42 PM
At least he has the right mindset to play him. Djokovic has always had that confidence bordering on arrogance, but in an individual sport like tennis and especially against Nadal on clay, you HAVE to think like that.

It would do no good for him to pull an Almagro and feel blessed to be on the same court as Rafa while he triple breadsticks you.

Exactly, he has to feel he can beat Nadal, otherwise what´s the point.

bobbynorwich
04-24-2009, 02:49 PM
Excerpt of an article in a Serbian paper, an interesting analysis of Djokovic and Nadal.


‘I need to exceed my limits to beat Nadal’

Djokovic confident of beating his rival after Monte Carlo
Author: Z. Kecman |21.04.2009

The tennis king does have a weak spot, even when he plays on clay. Rafael Nadal is beyond a shred of doubt the finest tennis player of the day, an easy claim corroborated by an incredible run of wins and titles. However, the rest of the tennis world got a glimmer of hope his impeccable series could be soon ended with Serbia’s Novak Djokovic putting the Spaniard to a serious test in the Monte Carlo Open final.

http://www.blic.rs/sports.php?id=4282


If he has to "exceed his limits to beat Nadal" then that means he can't, --- right? And the "rest of the world" wants Djokovic to de-throne Nadal? :scratch: >>>>>> :haha:

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Roddickominator
04-24-2009, 02:52 PM
Djokovic showing a little confidence....it's a good sign. Good thing this guy and Murray joined Nadal during Fed's dominant run....players already beaten before matches is pathetic.

Aenea
04-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Novak has always believed he could beat Rafa on clay :shrug: He had said the same last year before their Hamburg match. But then again if you don't believe you can beat your opponent you've already lost before even the match has started.

Bernard Black
04-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Well, it's the obvious thing to say isn't it, as opposed to stating he believes he'll never beat Nadal on clay.

It probably won't happen this year, Nadal is in just in too good form but of course it will happen eventually. Nadal will at some point have a dip in form, self-belief or feel the effects of injury. It's not such an outlandish statement to make as some people would probably would like to believe it is.

acionescu
04-24-2009, 03:20 PM
Because I have already produced solid matches against him on clay and now I really see how he plays.

Yes, exactly two: Hamburg 2007 and MC 2008. From 7. I saw them both and he was closer and better in Hamburg. That if he's not counting the "I was in control" retirement :shrug:
One thing I give him: he really believes in himself, even if in a deluded way and that's a good thing. But so is Andy, who didn't think he had a chance but he still gave Nadal a test.

the graduate
04-24-2009, 03:57 PM
He is a jackass no class at all,his family started dissing Federer now they are on Rafa what a bunch of jealous boneheads.He seems like the jealous type and goodness knows what voodoo his family concoct to harm Rafa and Roger,his mom is scary like a vampire.He will never have Rafa s resume ...he can only dream of Rafa s popularity .
Rafa is the undisputed King of clay not you FAKERVIC bwahahaha!!!:p

Sapeod
04-24-2009, 04:00 PM
He is a jackass no class at all,his family started dissing Federer now they are on Rafa what a bunch of jealous boneheads.He seems like the jealous type and goodness knows what voodoo his family concoct to harm Rafa and Roger,his mom is scary like a vampire.He will never have Rafa s resume ...he can only dream of Rafa s popularity .
Rafa is the undisputed King of clay not you FAKERVIC bwahahaha!!!:p
lol. Soon he'll be on Murray and Del Potro's cases. lol

morningglory
04-24-2009, 04:08 PM
:lol: "one day" and "have to" are the key words here. Gl Djoko... even if the win comes on the 35+ tour.

10nisfan
04-24-2009, 05:26 PM
this is just a typical Djoker blabber...yada, yada, yada...

of course he is a Confident Guy and he always have that belief that he can beat anyone...

maybe one of these days, he will beat Rafa in his Fav surface...

but, so does Fedex, he also believes that he can beat Rafa everytime they met at the French Open Final, but so far he fails 3 times already...

I think the old Roger has better chances of beating Rafa on Clay than the Djoker...

maki925
04-24-2009, 05:29 PM
I live in hope,but every time Nole talks so confidently it stays only on words,it's jinx !He'd better :tape: and do the work!:)

Clay Death
04-24-2009, 05:33 PM
Didn't read it but if you don't think you can win whats the point in playing?

negative. you get big bucks anyway. dont think Djokovic is going home to flip burgers.

Garson007
04-24-2009, 05:34 PM
MTF at its best. The comments are pretty harmless.

tangerine_dream
04-24-2009, 05:47 PM
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Ivanatis
04-24-2009, 05:53 PM
not a Djokovic fan at all, but I see nothing wrong with his comments here
he's right in saying that he can beat Rafa if he steps his game up plus "can" is not as strict as "will"

feeder1803
04-24-2009, 05:58 PM
Yes in a TMS, NO in RG

petar_pan
04-24-2009, 06:11 PM
just this:HAHAHAHA

kingfederer
04-24-2009, 06:30 PM
He is a jackass no class at all,his family started dissing Federer now they are on Rafa what a bunch of jealous boneheads.He seems like the jealous type and goodness knows what voodoo his family concoct to harm Rafa and Roger,his mom is scary like a vampire.He will never have Rafa s resume ...he can only dream of Rafa s popularity .
Rafa is the undisputed King of clay not you FAKERVIC bwahahaha!!!:p

yea djokovic family is pretty hateable. the mother and father look like typical rural area redneck hillbillies. i remember once novak gettin angry because a baby in the crowd started crying. and he always tells the crowd to shut up. and i remember the bullshit him and his family pulled against federer at the aussie open 2008, acting like a bunch of thugs and novak staring down the umpire after getting a time violation. as well as papa djokovic getting the serbian fans to abuse the anti-djokovic fans in the crowd. it was the day that revealed the true colours of that family. i loved how tsonga humiliated djokovic everytime.

RagingLamb
04-24-2009, 06:38 PM
Misleading article:

But I really believe that one day I can beat him on this surface. I can do it.

...the Serb firmly believes he has the world number one's number on clay heading into next month's French Open.



the author probably doesn't think his readers are very observant.

kingfederer
04-24-2009, 06:47 PM
i remember in that hamburg match last year rafa was all business, his number 2 ranking was up for grabs and his face was deadly serious and after the match his handshake at the net was kinda cold, he meant business. he wasnt there for fun and games, it was a massive effort. nadal has something u cannot teach, that is to never give up.

bobbynorwich
04-24-2009, 06:55 PM
negative. you get big bucks anyway. dont think Djokovic is going home to flip burgers.

Or to throw pizzas.

Mechlan
04-24-2009, 07:00 PM
Good for him.

Doggy
04-24-2009, 07:44 PM
you gotta believe or else, you will fail just like Hantuchova

ossie
04-24-2009, 08:18 PM
as much as im a nadal fan and as much id hate to see him lose and as much as i dont think the djoker can beat him on clay and as much as i lold when i heard djoker thnks he could do it i really respect the guy for believing in himself and openly showing his confidence because this is really the first step any player has to make if he wants to beat nadal: believing you can do it. theres alot of player who could learn something from the joker cough federer cough

ugotlobbed
04-25-2009, 12:21 AM
if djokovic gets fit he can beat anyone anywhere, but i think his biggest problem is his fitness

fred perry
04-25-2009, 01:41 AM
I don't think they like each other. rafa did not want to talk about djoker in the post match presser...:devil:

fred perry
04-25-2009, 01:44 AM
maybe djoker should start by beating Roddick. Something he has had loads of trouble with lately. then he can graduate to beating Rafa on the Spaniard's favorite surface.

betowiec
04-25-2009, 02:18 AM
he has a shot;)

nkhera1
04-25-2009, 02:50 AM
I'd like to see them play at Rome because I think Djokovic has his best shot of beating Nadal there. It's still slim in my opinion but the courts are faster and Nadal has had some tough matches there over the years. I think its good that Djokovic has the confidence though. Maybe he doesn't need to say it out loud yet but if it makes him feel better than thats fine. Problem is that while Djokovic is improving on the surface its not like Nadal isn't getting better either.

bobbynorwich
04-25-2009, 04:05 AM
I think its good that Djokovic has the confidence though. Maybe he doesn't need to say it out loud yet but if it makes him feel better than thats fine.

Problem is every time he brags about what he can do, he fails to do it. A kind of monkey on his back yapping in his ear all the time.

vamosinator
04-25-2009, 04:20 AM
Djokovic is definite the player I want to see in the RG Finals, he really deserves a good killin like what happened to Federer last year:D although he'll probably end up losing in the 2nd round and then be like 'IF I WASNT UPSET ID HAVE BEEN A GOOD CHANCE TO BEAT NADAL I FEEL I HAVE HIM WORKED OUT':o

Nadal_Fanatic
04-25-2009, 04:32 AM
Nothing wrong with what Djokovic says. I agree with him. Nadal will try his hardest to not allow that to happen though.

zeleni
04-25-2009, 10:26 AM
Đoković was never afraid of Federer and Nadal. For some reason many MTFers lack of fear understand as lack of respect. That if why Nole is officially the most hated player here. Luckily, it isn't so in real life...

vamosinator
04-25-2009, 11:18 AM
He's hated because of the immitation he did of Nadal 3 years ago, I saw it on youtube it was really sickening to see as Djokovic picked at his pants and fell to the grass and pretended to take $hi7 out of his shorts:o

zlaja777
04-25-2009, 11:41 PM
He can do it...hopefully at RG.

Myrre
04-26-2009, 11:35 AM
Of course he can win. Margins are small in tennis. Nadal had them all at the start of the last set they played. Maybe next time he won't be so lucky...

Certinfy
04-26-2009, 11:51 AM
Way to keep postitive, and imo he will one day :)

Pfloyd
04-26-2009, 11:54 AM
Sure he can, like he almost did, he was so close in 07, but had to retire.....

But he's a tank, that Djokovic.

vamosinator
04-26-2009, 11:55 AM
We can only hope Djokovic and Nadal meet at Roland Garros:D

StanisKing
04-26-2009, 12:14 PM
He took a set playing at his best on clay.
Rafa played below his average.
When Rafa plays better than that, the rsult will be 6:1,6:3 or something like that.

I think that he is playing good on clay, but no chance beating Rafa.

Ivanatis
04-26-2009, 12:22 PM
awful trolling by a Rafatard here, a gentleman enjoys and keeps silent

even if Nole would say "Rafa is the best, there's no way I can beat him, I'd be happy if he doesn't destroy my worthless Serbian ass" some people couldn't get a clue:rolleyes:

sanshisan
04-26-2009, 01:43 PM
Didn't read it but if you don't think you can win whats the point in playing?


Exactly. And the public would not want to see a match where one player admitted defeat before he even entered the court. SELF BELIEF is what life is all about.

christallh24
04-26-2009, 01:46 PM
Rafael went in fearlessly and with the belief that he could beat Roger the first time they played. Good for Nole if he thinks he can win on clay against Rafa

He's got the game and the belief. It's not out of the realm to believe he could one day (years and years and years and years from now) beat Rafa.

sanshisan
04-26-2009, 02:04 PM
Problem is every time he brags about what he can do, he fails to do it. A kind of monkey on his back yapping in his ear all the time.

Djokovic said he thought he could beat Federer at 2008 Australian GS and he did. Federer had won 10 Grand Slams. That was the beginning of the end for him.

sanshisan
04-26-2009, 02:14 PM
He's hated because of the immitation he did of Nadal 3 years ago, I saw it on youtube it was really sickening to see as Djokovic picked at his pants and fell to the grass and pretended to take $hi7 out of his shorts:o

And everyone laughed like hell. People are tired of watching Nadal pick his butt. Nadal has cut back on that habit somewhat but still does it - the only player on tour who does that.

Have you seen the video where Roddick stuffs rolls of toilet paper in his pants and strutts out on court imitating Serena Williams while the crowd screams `HOTTENTOT BUTT'? Pure unadulterated RACISM. But...not a word about that Roddick performance on MTF. Figures...

Here you go -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bimn1a6B0gU

finishingmove
04-26-2009, 02:21 PM
that's a good one by roddick, i don't understand why people take these things so negatively...

Hola Mr. SK
04-26-2009, 02:30 PM
yes,he can. He has a chance if Rafa's not at his best level.
such thread is unwanted.

sanshisan
04-26-2009, 02:54 PM
that's a good one by roddick, i don't understand why people take these things so negatively...

1. what's `good' about it??? Serena has a huge butt. Even if she lost weight, she would still have a big butt. It's the way she's built. She can't change that, it's part of her inherited physicality. Roddick's imitation is pure unadulterated racism and everyone knows that. That's why you hear the fans scream `Hottentot Butt!' on the video. Hugely humiliating for Serena.

Nadal on the other hand can change picking his butt every single time he serves a ball. OK the camera is on Nadal, he's about to serve, everyone waits while Nadal picks his butt, OK that's done, Nadal's gonna serve now....

2. Apparently they don't take miming negatively, IF it's done by the `right' people. Roddick imitates most of the top players. The videos are all over the internet. No one says a word. Not a peep. Only Djokovic is not allowed to imitate other players.

finishingmove
04-26-2009, 02:56 PM
ok i think i understand u now.

Pfloyd
04-26-2009, 04:09 PM
awful trolling by a Rafatard here, a gentleman enjoys and keeps silent

even if Nole would say "Rafa is the best, there's no way I can beat him, I'd be happy if he doesn't destroy my worthless Serbian ass" some people couldn't get a clue:rolleyes:

Well that's just the thing. When has Novak said "I lost because the other guy was better than me today?"

He may mention it in passing but it is always "I could have done this better, or that better, or I missed this chance or I was unlucky".

I like Djokovic, but his attitude is very childish at times.

Garson007
04-26-2009, 04:11 PM
Well that's just the thing. When has Novak said "I lost because the other guy was better than me today?"

He may mention it in passing but it is always "I could have done this better, or that better, or I missed this chance or I was unlucky".

I like Djokovic, but his attitude is very childish at times.
To stop that opinion of him he'll have to do what Fed did - win everything.

Pfloyd
04-26-2009, 04:13 PM
To stop that opinion of him he'll have to do what Fed did - win everything.

Getting another slam, and just saying "the other guy played better today" is more than enough in my view.

Dan's Racket
04-26-2009, 04:22 PM
He has to believe he can beat Nadal; every player does, otherwise there is no point in playing!
Whether he can is another matter.

sanshisan
04-26-2009, 04:29 PM
Well that's just the thing. When has Novak said "I lost because the other guy was better than me today?"

He may mention it in passing but it is always "I could have done this better, or that better, or I missed this chance or I was unlucky".

I like Djokovic, but his attitude is very childish at times.

Many times Djokovic has said - `He (Federer, Nadal, whoever), played incredible tennis today and deserved to win'. What do more do you want? He has to say it exactly the way YOU want him to say it? Talk about nitpickers.

tumbak
04-26-2009, 04:42 PM
Rafa is a beast ... i don't see the way that someone could dethrone him ...

Ivanatis
04-27-2009, 08:59 PM
Well that's just the thing. When has Novak said "I lost because the other guy was better than me today?"


http://tennisplanet.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/djokovic-interview-after-losing-to-federer/

FedFan_2007
04-27-2009, 09:01 PM
Roger believes he can win Rome:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article6175478.ece

meihaditalab
04-27-2009, 09:11 PM
I think that dJOKER is a JOKE