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Nadal Should Not Have Played Barcelona

desigundah
04-23-2009, 01:26 PM
I know its in his home country and to a certain extent he's expected to play it but at the end of the day theres a different between Grand Slams, 1000 events, and 500 events for a reason. I know physically clay doesn't take the same toll that hardcourts do but Rafa is really cutting the longevity of his career short by playing all these tourneys. I'm not sure if he's playing Queens Club prior to Wimbledon or Stuttgart right after (something he didn't do last year), but all these tourneys are goin to take a toll on him sooner or later. After he wins Barcelona this week, he'll have to play Rome next week and then play Madrid the week after. Ouch.

Johnny Groove
04-23-2009, 01:27 PM
There is a week between Rome and Madrid.

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04-23-2009, 01:27 PM
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FaceyFacem
04-23-2009, 01:31 PM
i mean, he's done it every year, yes eventually it will take a toll

but they need to play a minimum number of 500 events, as well, and if i'm rafa i would be playing at least 2 of my 500 level events on clay (monte carlo counts as one, and barcelona) in order to maximize points

desigundah
04-23-2009, 01:38 PM
i mean, he's done it every year, yes eventually it will take a toll

but they need to play a minimum number of 500 events, as well, and if i'm rafa i would be playing at least 2 of my 500 level events on clay (monte carlo counts as one, and barcelona) in order to maximize points

Monte Carlo is a 1000 event now.

miura
04-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Monte Carlo is a 1000 event now.
Yeah but it's not mandatory unlike the other 1000 events.

rafa_maniac
04-23-2009, 02:06 PM
I suppose he figures go all out while he can instead of waiting cautiously for the day when it all "takes it's toll" on him, if that day does in fact come at all :shrug: He's doing ok still, the tournament means alot to him, and if worst comes to worst he'll tank in Rome like last year. I would prefer he simply didn't turn up for one or the other, but whatever.

bobbynorwich
04-23-2009, 03:01 PM
Apparently, he routinely practices 3-5 hours every day. How does playing matches that are best of 3 sets on 5 out of 7 days in a tourney damage his body more than that?

tennis2tennis
04-23-2009, 03:05 PM
Apparently, he routinely practices 3-5 hours every day. How does playing matches that are best of 3 sets on 5 out of 7 days in a tourney damage his body more than that?

becuase it would neab practice and play that a combined xtra time....

JimmyV
04-23-2009, 03:20 PM
I love the notion that playing 5 extra matches in a 3 week span is something that going to put a career in jeopardy. Obviously playing Frederico Gil and Christoph Rochus back to back on clay is going to take superhuman amounts of energy for him, he'll be lucky if he recovers within a month.

I mean really, when you drop what, 1 set a tournament and all your matches last about an hour and a half I just don't see how your taking years off your life.

Davydenko is signed up to play 8 weeks in a row, so is the majority of the top 20. But whatever, this is MTF so there's no point in even posting any attempt at logic.

Manila ESQ
04-23-2009, 04:03 PM
Why doesn't he just rest the entire year, so he can extend his career by one full year? Absurd, right?

The thing is, Nadal would practice anyway, so why not join a tournament and get some practice, earn points and money? If there's any toll on his body, I would say it's very minimal and negligible.

Foxy
04-23-2009, 04:21 PM
Why doesn't he just rest the entire year, so he can extend his career by one full year? Absurd, right?

The thing is, Nadal would practice anyway, so why not join a tournament and get some practice, earn points and money? If there's any toll on his body, I would say it's very minimal and negligible.

Ralph skipped doubles in MC. So he should be OK for the rest of clay season. He just needs to win in 2 which is not that hard for him.

Sunset of Age
04-23-2009, 04:22 PM
I love the notion that playing 5 extra matches in a 3 week span is something that going to put a career in jeopardy. Obviously playing Frederico Gil and Christoph Rochus back to back on clay is going to take superhuman amounts of energy for him, he'll be lucky if he recovers within a month.

:worship: :D

Henry Chinaski
04-23-2009, 04:28 PM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

fast_clay
04-23-2009, 04:37 PM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

it is true...

history, prestige and personal choice are all unquantifiable values that only time can buy... neither the word 'money', nor 'points', have any place in the previous sentence...

Yashirobai
04-23-2009, 04:58 PM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

:yeah: Well said. Absolutely true.

FlavorNuts
04-23-2009, 05:06 PM
if nadal skipped barcelona, he'd still put in 5 hour a day training sessions. makes no difference.

Andi-M
04-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Practice would be more taxing than this tournie for Rafa.

Ivo#1Fan
04-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Nadal should play lots of tournaments to stay in shape and keep his game sharp. Look what happens when you cut back and just play the grand slams, you lose your edge like....Federer. I admit Federer was so good that he was able to pull it off for a couple of year, but now lack of match play is catching up with him. The dude just has lost the edge. Skipping tournament will cut Nadals career much worse than playing them. Only reason to skip is if he's trying to recover from an injury

Action Jackson
04-23-2009, 05:47 PM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

This has been explained so many times, but very few get it. I mean people with a minimum brain capacity don't expect Fedclown to give up Basel and this event is the same for Nadal.

r2473
04-23-2009, 06:39 PM
I agree. He needs to spend more hours on court than what he is getting in Barcelona.

10nisfan
04-23-2009, 06:54 PM
it's all good people... coz Rafa is getting some rest courtesy of Fat Dave...:lol:

Guy Haines
04-23-2009, 06:55 PM
Jimmy V: :lol: Henry and fast_clay: spot on. Action Jackson, I hear you about Basel.

This thread has quality stuff, especially from people who know tennis and don't even like Nadal that much. But most of the people who could learn from it are :zzz:.

This tournament is one of the most important to Nadal. Rotterdam is the kind of 500 that was stupid for him to play (at least the marathon way he played it...I think). But he has to play some.

robiht
04-24-2009, 07:52 AM
The best choice for Nadal is to play in Barcelona. :)
Let's ignore the last 2 matches,which were both 1 hours and 6-0,6-0 easy training sessions... Now he is in the semis,cause Nalbandian is retired.

He has to play 2 matches on his favourite surface in 1 week.If that's the worst thing that can happen with him.So be it!
And i bet my money on it that neither the semi or the final will last longer than 2 hours.Stepanek or Davydenko will be easy victims :)
Maybe the Final will challenge him a little bit,but not much...

ORGASMATRON
04-24-2009, 08:44 AM
if nadal skipped barcelona, he'd still put in 5 hour a day training sessions. makes no difference.

Exactly. Rafa is burning out no matter what.

Bazooka
04-24-2009, 08:52 AM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

:worship:

And I am from Madrid.

bjurra
04-24-2009, 08:55 AM
Winning clay court matches 6-2 6-2 5 times a week does not jeopardize the career of someone who practices 4 hours a day anyway.

Bazooka
04-24-2009, 09:14 AM
This has been explained so many times, but very few get it. I mean people with a minimum brain capacity don't expect Fedclown to give up Basel and this event is the same for Nadal.

Not really the same thing. Basel is more a personal thing for Roger, as he was ballboy there during truly epic matches like the '94 final (Wayne Ferreira def. Patrick McEnroe) :cool:

Barcelona is IMHO (and I think Nadal and many claycourters think the same) the third best clay event, in terms of history, tradition and flavor. Some seeds may not be there, but most good clay players enter the draw every year, and have done so for many decades.

kingfederer
04-24-2009, 09:22 AM
the dumbest thing was playing rotterdam. the person that make nadal's schedule should be punched. he doesnt need all these MM tournaments, his career will be remembered for the slams he wins just like federer. its frustrating EVERY year he goes to the us open tired,yet he never changes anything.

rafa_maniac
04-24-2009, 09:31 AM
the dumbest thing was playing rotterdam. the person that make nadal's schedule should be punched. he doesnt need all these MM tournaments, his career will be remembered for the slams he wins just like federer. its frustrating EVERY year he goes to the us open tired,yet he never changes anything.

They are required to play 4 500 events a year (:retard:), so rather than crowd the later part of the schedule when it really would impinge on his US Open hopes he decided to get one over with earlier in the year. Makes sense to me as there's quite a gap between Aus Open and Indian Wells :shrug:

kingfederer
04-24-2009, 09:34 AM
They are required to play 4 500 events a year (:retard:), so rather than crowd the later part of the schedule when it really would impinge on his US Open hopes he decided to get one over with earlier in the year. Makes sense to me as there's quite a gap between Aus Open and Indian Wells :shrug:

screw the anti-nadal atp! atp elite hate rafa, its a conspiracy.

Action Jackson
04-24-2009, 09:40 AM
Not really the same thing. Basel is more a personal thing for Roger, as he was ballboy there during truly epic matches like the '94 final (Wayne Ferreira def. Patrick McEnroe) :cool:

Barcelona is IMHO (and I think Nadal and many claycourters think the same) the third best clay event, in terms of history, tradition and flavor. Some seeds may not be there, but most good clay players enter the draw every year, and have done so for many decades.

Barcelona is the home of Spanish tennis, no matter what the mafioso will try and set up. Since Mallorca got moved to Valencia, this is the closest thing he has to a home event. This event has been around for ages, good points, plenty of history there as well, the court conditions are definitely closer to Paris than what Madrid is.

It's not like he is going to sweat bullets for playing this event, he'd only be training and better getting matches. He knows what he has to do to peak for the clay season.

sirwilliam
04-24-2009, 09:50 AM
i mean, he's done it every year, yes eventually it will take a toll

but they need to play a minimum number of 500 events, as well, and if i'm rafa i would be playing at least 2 of my 500 level events on clay (monte carlo counts as one, and barcelona) in order to maximize points

Geez, a minimum number of 500 events per year? So now the ATP says they've got to play 500 tournaments per year??? Come on! This is what we are talking about, it's getting ridiculous. That's like 10 events a week almost...


:devil:

fast_clay
04-24-2009, 10:19 AM
for sure the slave drivers at the atp are squeezing the life out of the players... so whats new about it except for the grip getting tighter...?

nadal played rotterdam, and as questionable as it may be, i agree with Guy that it is the fashion in which he played that tourney - the quickest of the year - that was the more questionable... i was there and watched three of his matches and i did not see any adjustments similar to the ones he makes for wimbledon... just grind sessions after grind session... you'd think he'd use it as an opportunity to take a loss on the nose for the sake of improving a point ending facet to his game... i mean, for sure there'd be critics asking why the f___ did you play like that and lose... but who gives a toss when the only real critics would be dutch...

DhammaTiger
04-24-2009, 10:45 AM
This has been explained so many times, but very few get it. I mean people with a minimum brain capacity don't expect Fedclown to give up Basel and this event is the same for Nadal.

Your point is excellent:yeah: Unfortunately, most of the people posting here don't get it because their attachment to tennis is shallow. Probably only have been following the game for a few years and aren't interested in it's rich history. The ATP is to use your words a clownish set up benefting people like Tiriac and other impresarios and not the players or the fans in my opinion.

desigundah
04-24-2009, 10:54 AM
the dumbest thing was playing rotterdam. the person that make nadal's schedule should be punched. he doesnt need all these MM tournaments, his career will be remembered for the slams he wins just like federer. its frustrating EVERY year he goes to the us open tired,yet he never changes anything.

:worship:
took the words right out of my mouth.

Merton
04-24-2009, 10:57 AM
Of course he should, Nadal likes and respects the event so why change his clay preparation this year? Just because there is a new masters tournament in Madrid?

Merton
04-24-2009, 10:58 AM
for sure the slave drivers at the atp are squeezing the life out of the players... so whats new about it except for the grip getting tighter...?

nadal played rotterdam, and as questionable as it may be, i agree with Guy that it is the fashion in which he played that tourney - the quickest of the year - that was the more questionable... i was there and watched three of his matches and i did not see any adjustments similar to the ones he makes for wimbledon... just grind sessions after grind session... you'd think he'd use it as an opportunity to take a loss on the nose for the sake of improving a point ending facet to his game... i mean, for sure there'd be critics asking why the f___ did you play like that and lose... but who gives a toss when the only real critics would be dutch...

I guess that after his early exit last year he promised Krajicek that he would try his best next time, that is this year. But who knows :shrug:

vamosinator
04-24-2009, 12:13 PM
Nadal is only playing Toronto and Cincy after Wimbledon, so it won't make a difference what he plays now. As for the "longevity of his career" I have no doubt Nadal will last longer than Djokovic, Murray and Federer, they all have back problems this year, while Nadal does not.

JolánGagó
04-24-2009, 12:22 PM
He most likely rates Barcelona as a more important tournament that Madrid.

Which is a good thing because it shows the ATP that though they can ignore tennis history and attempt to arbitraliy define the importance of tournaments with ranking point designations they can't always succeed.

:worship:

those who think otherwise have no clue whatsoever of what's all about.

Bazooka
04-24-2009, 01:17 PM
Question, Montecarlo really counts as one of your four optionals? So no penalty for playing MC + three 500's?

Can you take one 250 instead of a 500 too? So Queens will free him of another hardcourt 500?

fred perry
04-24-2009, 01:27 PM
they are professional athletes not little babies. it's a dream life. play tennis 10 months a year. practice. play a few matches. I don't worry about them. Oh they are "SO Tired". Yeah they may be tired. Perhaps they can go to bed early and say good night to the 4 models waiting for them at the bar at midnight. they can get some rest then.

fast_clay
04-24-2009, 02:32 PM
I guess that after his early exit last year he promised Krajicek that he would try his best next time, that is this year. But who knows :shrug:

such an honourable guy this nadal... so i guess it will be his honour and stubborn warrior mentality that determines the longevity of his career...?

anyways... i wouldn't argue that there is not strength at the top of the game these days - there is... but, from 6-40, it tapers off quite heavily imo, so it stands out when the top seed loses in the first few of rounds, even qf's. TD's like Krajicek are entitled to question a quick exit of a top seed due to the level of consistant results the top guys have been pumping out in recent years.

In this respect, the level of scrutiny on a particular result is much heavier that it once was... or heavier than i can ever remember... a victim of their own success + a general lack of depth beyond the top 5. All this leaves little room to experiment and develop a game.

decrepitude
04-24-2009, 03:17 PM
Nadal is only playing Toronto and Cincy after Wimbledon, so it won't make a difference what he plays now. As for the "longevity of his career" I have no doubt Nadal will last longer than Djokovic, Murray and Federer, they all have back problems this year, while Nadal does not.

Federer has back problems. Djokovic and Murray? I haven't heard about it - and while I don't follow Nole very much, I follow Andy very closely and I'm sure I would have read about it if he had. Virus, yes: back, no.

bobbynorwich
04-24-2009, 03:43 PM
Federer has back problems. Djokovic and Murray? I haven't heard about it - and while I don't follow Nole very much, I follow Andy very closely and I'm sure I would have read about it if he had. Virus, yes: back, no.

Doesn't Andy have some congenital problems with his knees? Less stable than they should be, I think.

Aenea
04-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Question, Montecarlo really counts as one of your four optionals? So no penalty for playing MC + three 500's?

Can you take one 250 instead of a 500 too? So Queens will free him of another hardcourt 500?

I think you can't (I'm not sure though) but DC counts as an 500 event. Rafa played already Rotterdam+Barcelona, plays DC and thus only 1 500 event left. Maybe he'll play Beijing.

CooCooCachoo
04-24-2009, 04:44 PM
He is not playing that much :shrug: In most of the events he plays, he is given a Bye in the first round. And his first few opponents are usually a nice sparring partner.