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Would Coria have been a greater challenge to Rafa than Fed, Djokovic, and Murray?

sawan66278
04-23-2009, 02:22 AM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who caught the replay of the 2005 men's Rome final between Rafa and Coria.

What I saw may very well be the best clay court match I've ever seen. And, I truly believe, after watching the match, that had Coria not mentally self destructed, he would have been Rafa's top challenger on clay BY FAR.

He had the speed that no one in the men's game presently has...and his depth of shot, along with anticipation were amazing on this surface. No doubt: he was as good, if not better, on clay than Roger at his peak...and he gave Rafa a run for his money when Rafa was playing VERY well (other than a weak net game that he has improved).

Novak and Andy? At this time, not even in the same stratosphere as Coria. Yes, the man acted like a spoiled prick when he lost, but boy could he play...

prima donna
04-23-2009, 02:25 AM
You're merely stating the obvious.

ORGASMATRON
04-23-2009, 02:29 AM
Fed pwned Coria. What a God!

ORGASMATRON
04-23-2009, 02:30 AM
You're merely stating the obvious.

:lol: pwned!

l_mac
04-23-2009, 02:32 AM
Would Coria have been a greater challenge to Rafa than Fed, Djokovic, and Murray?

No.

fast_clay
04-23-2009, 02:33 AM
of course.
so why the thread...?

mgorganchian
04-23-2009, 02:55 AM
Sure, but unfortunately Coria lost his mind...

sawan66278
04-23-2009, 03:06 AM
What if Coria had not choked the 2004 RG final? I think you could safely argue that Rafa would have seen Coria in at least two finals (rather than Roger).

shotgun
04-23-2009, 03:09 AM
Yes, but then again so would Ferrero in his 2003 form, Gaudio in his RG 2004 form or Kuerten in 2000/01.

Beforehand
04-23-2009, 03:10 AM
Well, I think it would have been more of a like "Coria needs Nadal to beat Federer. Federer needs Coria to beat Nadal. Nadal doesn't necessarily need Federer to beat Coria, but if given the choice..."

philosophicalarf
04-23-2009, 03:13 AM
Can't see Coria as much of a challenge. Nadal took him to a tiebreak when he was 16, and when he was 18 beat him in the Monte Carlo and Rome finals. He's improved out of sight since then, so it wouldn't be much of a contest if you took current Nadal vs peak Coria.

As for Gaudio, Nadal bagelled him twice when he was 18.

Ferrero? 18yr Nadal 6-2 6-1 Ferrero.

Swiss Mountain
04-23-2009, 03:35 AM
What if Coria had not choked the 2004 RG final? I think you could safely argue that Rafa would have seen Coria in at least two finals (rather than Roger).


Thank God we did not!
Fed spanked Coria on clay
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Federer%2C+Roger&player2=coria

christallh24
04-23-2009, 03:51 AM
Can't see Coria as much of a challenge. Nadal took him to a tiebreak when he was 16, and when he was 18 beat him in the Monte Carlo and Rome finals. He's improved out of sight since then, so it wouldn't be much of a contest if you took current Nadal vs peak Coria.

As for Gaudio, Nadal bagelled him twice when he was 18.

Ferrero? 18yr Nadal 6-2 6-1 Ferrero.

Having seen that match yesterday also, I was going to say that maybe Coria could have. I was very impressed with what I saw. As the OP said, the boy could play. But, you've made a excellent case that Rafa most likely would just dominated him like he has others.

alfonsojose
04-23-2009, 04:32 AM
Kolya will win RG this year :devil: :yeah: He can handle Pocahontas

fast_clay
04-23-2009, 04:35 AM
the world needs more davydenko... i agree...

lurker
04-23-2009, 05:00 AM
When did Fed own Coria on clay? Before or after RG 2004? I saw this replay and was thinking if Coria had not choked away that RG title, he would have had the confidence to pull out that fifth set. After all, he was up 2 breaks, at 3-0 with a BP to go up 4-0!!!! He must have had a flashback of RG.

Before Coria lost his mind, he was amazing on clay. He could have given us a more entertaining rivalry for Nadal on clay than our current roster of ATP players, if he had stayed on form.

Foxy
04-23-2009, 06:03 AM
fed got lucky against Coria on clay. Their first meeting was in Hamburg 2004 when Coria was recovering from a torn abdomenal muscle(missed Barca and Rome). The second meeting on clay was again in Hamburg 2005 the very next week you know after the exhausting Rome tournament and 5h16m final. fed missed Rome and was by far fresher. The other participant(Rafa) in that epic Rome final didn't show up in Hamburg 2005. Enough said.

ServeAlready81
04-23-2009, 07:38 AM
A lot of players have the physical and tactical game to beat Rafa on clay, they don't have the mental fortitude which clearly Coria did not have.

Pfloyd
04-23-2009, 01:59 PM
Remember Rome 2005?

Coria played his best tennis, and Nadal was not near the level he is today, so no.

I'd say if Gaudio had his head screwed on tight, he could've handed Nadal a few defeats in the last 2 years.

Commander Data
04-23-2009, 02:07 PM
A lot of players have the physical and tactical game to beat Rafa on clay, they don't have the mental fortitude which clearly Coria did not have.

Spot on.

Johnny Groove
04-23-2009, 02:09 PM
I think Coria and Gaudio are too up and down to contend with Nadal on clay. Rafa is so damn consistent while those two are always showing brilliance mixed in with some poor play.

Monte Carlo 2006 first set Gaudio-Nadal was quality stuff, but Nadal destroyed him after that, Buenos Aires 2005 was great too although the scoreline was :lol:

Rome and Monte Carlo 2005 were also good matches with Coria, but Nadal is so much better now I don't see how those guys could keep up.

Especially with the semi-retirement that those two have been going through in the past few years.

Tom_Bombadil
04-23-2009, 02:39 PM
If you're comparing Rafa with Coria basing on a match played several years ago when Rafa was 17-18 and you're telling me Rafa didn't improve too much since then, then I'm laughing at you. :D:D:D:D

MTF amazes me more each day.

Quadruple Tree
04-23-2009, 02:43 PM
The next year, Federer had match point against Nadal in Rome, and we see how that match up has progressed since then. There isn't really too much to be taken from one match.

marcRD
04-23-2009, 03:43 PM
Coria could have challenged Nadal 2005, but what does Nadal "18 year old rookie" 2005 have to do with Nadal "legend at 22 and best player in the world and greatest claycourter of all time" 2009?

ballbasher101
04-23-2009, 03:59 PM
I truly can not wait for the clay season to finish. It is the Rafa show and it is starting to get a bit annoying. You can't blame the guy for being so good on clay though.

Sunset of Age
04-23-2009, 06:04 PM
If you're comparing Rafa with Coria basing on a match played several years ago when Rafa was 17-18 and you're telling me Rafa didn't improve too much since then, then I'm laughing at you. :D:D:D:D

MTF amazes me more each day.

My thoughts exactly. How is it possible to draw such a conclusion from a Kiddie!Nadal versus Coria-at-his-best level match... Rafa today would probably have him for lunch.

Guy Haines
04-23-2009, 08:02 PM
Since we're in memory lane: remember that match Coria won against Kiefer in Monte Carlo in 06? That was one of the craziest matches I've ever seen. The first question in the press conference (http://mco.masters-series.com/2/en/players/interviews/stories/06_coria4.asp): :lol:

I miss Coria.