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Incorrect information about winning streaks in singles

Voo de Mar
04-21-2009, 04:42 PM
Ok, this is very statistical thing but I guess it would be interesting for some members. In Internet circulates the information that Guillermo Vilas has had the longest streak of winning matches - 46.

It isn't true.

In 1978 Bjorn Borg won 49 conscutive matches. I saw a couple of times that Borg in 1978 won 43 matches in a row. Initially I thought this stats doesn't include Davis Cup matches therefore Borg won 43, I was wrong. When Canas defeated Federer in Indian Wells there was announced that Canas finished Federer's 41 winning matches streak. Those 41 matches included 2 wins in Davis Cup against Serbian players. The same thing with McEnroe's 42 consecutive wins in 1984 (2 wins over Romanian players in Davis Cup).
So, the most popular version of this stats is:

1) Vilas - 46 (1977)
2) Lendl - 44 (1981-82)
3) Borg - 43 (1978)
4) McEnroe - 42 (1984)
5) Federer - 41 (2006-07)

The inaccuracy is probably connected with the fact that atptennis.com site contains some errors, in this case doesn't include Borg's Davis Cup matches from 1978.

Another interesting thing: how to count some old tournaments? For instance ATP tells us that Borg won 63 tournaments. Some of them were freaky ones, like Pepsi Grand Slam (only 4 players draw: 3 matches there; 2 SF's & Final) or WCT Invitational were 6 players participated, they all played against each other, and the two best, later played a final the best of five :retard: If we count these tournaments, Borg in years 1979-1980 had second longest streak of 48 winning matches.

:wavey:

Black Raven
04-21-2009, 06:40 PM
And who has the streak record without davis cup ?

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:43 PM
well, you would need to ask someone to confirm the legitimacy or those events (i.e. them not being exhos)

Certinfy
04-21-2009, 06:46 PM
Interesting, very interesting indeed.

MacTheKnife
04-21-2009, 06:55 PM
Top 4 very impressive when you look at the competition at the time. Vilas did not even get #1, his highest ranking was 2, and the guy won 4.9 million his entire career.

miura
04-21-2009, 07:01 PM
I also agree that DC wins shouldn't count in winning streak records..

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 07:05 PM
I also agree that DC wins shouldn't count in winning streak records..

why not?

MacTheKnife
04-21-2009, 07:10 PM
I think they should count. A match win is a win, and most DC matches are tougher than early round matches in tournaments.

iSzavay.
04-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Ooh good point

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 07:14 PM
there's a reason why DC wins are counted into h2h ;)
of course it counts!
for example this year
First round DC
Spain vs Serbia
Rafa vs Djoker
that's as hard as it gets on a first round of ANY tournament ;)

Har-Tru
04-21-2009, 07:16 PM
also, they are 5-set matches, which are by definition more telling than 3-set matches.

Voo de Mar
04-21-2009, 08:16 PM
And who has the streak record without davis cup ?

Lendl and Vilas tie the record with 44 matches if we don't count Davis Cup matches. If we count DC, two best streaks has had Borg - 49 and 48 (alternatively 35 if we don't count Borg's three triumphs in weird tournaments in that period).

MacTheKnife
04-21-2009, 09:08 PM
Some of those weird tournaments, like that Pepsi slam deal would be hard to discount since it was the top 4 in the world in it.

Voo de Mar
04-21-2009, 09:12 PM
Some of those weird tournaments, like that Pepsi slam deal would be hard to discount since it was the top 4 in the world in it.

Did count those tournaments to the ranking? You know, if we count Pepsi Cola maybe we should count that tournament Murray won this year beating Federer and Nadal :shrug:

MacTheKnife
04-21-2009, 09:35 PM
Did count those tournaments to the ranking? You know, if we count Pepsi Cola maybe we should count that tournament Murray won this year beating Federer and Nadal :shrug:

Honestly, I don't remember how they dealt with those in rankings, if at all. I'm only saying it would be hard to discount matches toward a guys winning streak if he was playing the top 3 or 4 guys in the world. Now if a guy goes out and plays some mickey mouse event just to pad stats, that would be a different story.

BaselineSmash
04-21-2009, 09:50 PM
Guillermo Vilas will never concede this statistical finding, but that's some great work from the OP.

If I remember correctly, Vilas wasn't even giving due credit in 2006 to Nadal's clay record. Spaghetti rackets and such...

Voo de Mar
04-21-2009, 10:01 PM
MacTheKnife... BTW, McEnroe should have won the most consecutive matches. Lendl ended McEnroe's "42" in that memorable Roland Garros '84 final. McEnroe had been very dominant over Lendl then, won 6-3 6-2 first two sets, had 4 BP's at 2:2 in the third, 4:2* (30-30) in the 4th and double break point at 3:3 in the 5th. What a shame, would have been the only natural serve and volley champion in Paris and win 63 consecutive matches (after defeat in that final won 20 matches in a row) :o