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Do you think Nadal's game will be exposed at the French Open?

Nichele Hull
04-20-2009, 05:16 PM
Murray and Djokovic hit the ball with pace that was able the show weakness in Nadal's game. They was hitting hard to his backhand side to hit a winner to the forehand side when balanced.Both of them used angles to get Nadal moving instead of them. They were not able to keep the aggression up to beat him.Players need to keep the level high throughout the match to be able to beat him.

rafa_maniac
04-20-2009, 05:19 PM
Absolutely. Nadal will be lucky to win a match.

Har-Tru
04-20-2009, 05:25 PM
The thing is very simple. Any mug knows how to beat Nadal on clay. The problem is, only very few players (Murray, Djoko and Fed, all when in form and in a great day) can beat him over a 3-set match. In a 5-set match, right now, I just can't see anyone getting the better off him.

Sapeod
04-20-2009, 05:26 PM
The thing is very simple. Any mug knows how to beat Nadal on clay. The problem is, only very few players (Murray, Djoko and Fed, all when in form and in a great day) can beat him over a 3-set match. In a 5-set match, right now, I just can't see anyone getting the better off him.
I think the only way to beat Nadal at Roland Garros is too be the luckiest fucking son of a bitch in the universe. My opinion.

NadalSharapova
04-20-2009, 05:28 PM
only way for nadal to lose is a severe injury. even playing with a minor injury, he would destroy the field.

Iván
04-20-2009, 05:30 PM
Nadal will go out in the 1st round of the french to dick norman

Pandoras Box is now open.

Arkulari
04-20-2009, 05:33 PM
Rafa's game isn't technically perfect, but it's amazingly effective, combine that with his passion and drive and you have the key to his success, someone will have to be able to out-power and out-passion him to do so ;)

is still too early on clay season to talk about this, because we've only seen him on a tournament and even not playing his usual clay level he managed to defeat everyone on his way, we have to wait to see if he's gonna play like that all clay season long or if he will step it up later ;)

any player can beat any other player on a given day, no one is invincible, not even Rafa on clay, but it'll take more than luck and talent together to do so, because Rafa never ever give up :)

Har-Tru
04-20-2009, 05:34 PM
I think the only way to beat Nadal at Roland Garros is too be the luckiest fucking son of a bitch in the universe. My opinion.

That's another way of putting it.

Pfloyd
04-20-2009, 05:39 PM
Absolutely. Nadal will be lucky to win a match.

Absolutely 100% right on.

;)

Pfloyd
04-20-2009, 05:41 PM
I have not the slightest clue what Nadal has to do to prove him being among the top 2 greatest clay court players ever.

He can't go back and beat Borg or "super Muster".

But beating Coria, Gaudio, Federer, Davydenko, Djokovic, Ferrer, Ferrero, Moya, Gasquet, Hewitt, etc on clay is not enough as they all are abysmal on clay, ignore the fact Federer whooped Kuerten a few times on clay, that Moya and Ferrero both won French opens that Davydenko is a great clay courter.....

They all suck on clay :rolleyes:

vamosinator
04-20-2009, 05:44 PM
Doesn't matter what Djokovic and Murray try tactically, they are too error prone to beat Nadal on clay. They aren't consistent enough, too many unforced errors and especially unforced errors on crucial points which Nadal specialises in. So there is no winning tactic when you aren't able to win the crucial points and keep your errors down. That is the real reason why Nadal is the best on clay, he plays the big points well (there are many big points as more breakpoints occur on clay than any other surface) and is able to keep the ball in play longer than anyone else.

dusk
04-20-2009, 05:45 PM
Murray and Djokovic hit the ball with pace that was able the show weakness in Nadal's game. They was hitting hard to his backhand side to hit a winner to the forehand side when balanced.Both of them used angles to get Nadal moving instead of them. They were not able to keep the aggression up to beat him.Players need to keep the level high throughout the match to be able to beat him.

This has always been the way to beat Rafa. The problem is that nobody can keep this up for a long time on clay. They're usually grasping for air after few long rallies.

moonlightdance
04-20-2009, 05:48 PM
No 5-setters and not that many tiebreaks played. I'd say RG is where Nadal's game tends to be the least exposed.

kingfederer
04-20-2009, 05:52 PM
as rafa said after the murray match, he played too defensive in the end of the 2nd set and made attacking him easier, and he said i he was a little more aggressive like he usually is, he would have made it harder to attack him and made murray/djokovic go for winners from difficult high risk positions!

nsidhan
04-20-2009, 05:56 PM
Only person who can beat Nadal on clay is Fat Dave, if he doesn't choke on MP.

Pfloyd
04-20-2009, 05:59 PM
Only person who can beat Nadal on clay is Fat Dave, if he doesn't choke on MP.

MAYBE is Nalbandian plays his ass off in a 3 setter, I highly doubt he can win in a best of 5.

Mint Chip
04-20-2009, 06:25 PM
What that point is that Nadal thinks hes great on clay and the results show it. If someone would come along with the same attitude Nadal will lose. Players need to stop being one dimensional thinking thats the way to go but its effective when the player is on. When a player is on Nadal will go back to the basic of just moonballing the ball back short like in the semis and the final of Monaco.Like Ferrero did in Rome last year was a good tatic to use even if Nadal had blisters. Not that much thinking skills has to be used to beat Nadal on clay

NadalSharapova
04-20-2009, 06:28 PM
what do you mean by "exposed"? dropping 4 games? playing a tie break? dropping a set?

Fiberlight1
04-20-2009, 06:33 PM
What that point is that Nadal thinks hes great on clay and the results show it. If someone would come along with the same attitude Nadal will lose. Players need to stop being one dimensional thinking thats the way to go but its effective when the player is on. When a player is on Nadal will go back to the basic of just moonballing the ball back short like in the semis and the final of Monaco.Like Ferrero did in Rome last year was a good tatic to use even if Nadal had blisters. Not that much thinking skills has to be used to beat Nadal on clay

So you're saying the key to winning the French is all mental?

We'll just ignore the fact that it is the most physical and draining GS on the calender. Not to mention, Nadal's massive top spin gives even the most solid 2handers trouble. Also, Nadal's movement on the red stuff is far superior to anyone's, he's probably the fastest player on tour and he's played on clay all of his life...

But you're right, it's all about the mentality :confused:

MacTheKnife
04-20-2009, 06:36 PM
Murray nor Djokovic could beat him in 3 sets, so now you think they're going to do it in five. Djok played the set of his life and still could not maintain anywhere near the level it took to pull off a 6-2 set. Honestly, I don't see anybody in the current group of players out there beating Nadal on clay in a best of five set match. Only some injury, catastrophic event, or a miracle could make that happen.

MalwareDie
04-20-2009, 06:45 PM
Mugboar's game is always glaringly exposed whenever he meets Nalbandian.

tangerine_dream
04-20-2009, 06:46 PM
Nalbandian must be the most overrated player on this forum.

Absolutely. Nadal will be lucky to win a match.
Sheer luck defines Rafa's career.

Jimnik
04-20-2009, 06:49 PM
He's already exposed his game at four French Opens yet nobody seems to take advantage. :shrug:

Nichele Hull
04-20-2009, 07:06 PM
what do you mean by "exposed"? dropping 4 games? playing a tie break? dropping a set?

What I mean by exposed is a player knowing the tatics that Nadal does on clay.He hits most of his moonballs to a righthanders backhand to a point that the opponent gets bored and stops running. How many times on clay have you seen Nadal hit his forehand dtl after someone hits the ball CC? If a player would come along and take away the physical part out of the match Nadals reign at FO will end.

r2473
04-20-2009, 07:26 PM
Do you think Nadal's game will be exposed at the French Open?

Absolutely. He will once again be exposed as (by far) the best clay courter on the planet.

reggie1
04-20-2009, 07:26 PM
Only exposed to the extent of "I am untouchable on clay". I just don't see anyone beating him on clay for a very long tme, he plays like a man possessed.

Snowwy
04-20-2009, 07:26 PM
Only person who can beat Nadal on clay is Fat Dave, if he doesn't choke on MP.

What makes you think this?

Mint Chip
04-20-2009, 08:12 PM
Only person who can beat Nadal on clay is Fat Dave, if he doesn't choke on MP.

Nalby right now is the only player that will stop Nadal with his moonballing antics to the backhand. Due to the fact that he takes the ball early and eliminates the running part of Mugdals game. Nalby easily turns the tables against Mugdal by making him run. Absolute genius when playing at hs best :worship:

Commander Data
04-20-2009, 08:16 PM
Nalbandian here, Nalbandian there...:rolleyes:


When was the last time Nalbi beat Nadal on clay?! :o

MalwareDie
04-20-2009, 08:18 PM
Nalby right now is the only player that will stop Nadal with his moonballing antics to the backhand. Due to the fact that he takes the ball early and eliminates the running part of Mugdals game. Nalby easily turns the tables against Mugdal by making him run. Absolute genius when playing at hs best :worship:

That god awful choke at Indian Wells is unforgivable. Everybody was playing like shit and he would have won the tournament if he didn't brainlessly choke.

MalwareDie
04-20-2009, 08:19 PM
When was the last time Nalbi beat Nadal on clay?! :o

When was the last time Mugboar beat Nalbandian on clay? Until they finally meet on clay (maybe never), we can speculate as much as we want.

morningglory
04-20-2009, 08:28 PM
I suppose Federer is out of consideration here? :lol: after last year's final

MacTheKnife
04-20-2009, 08:28 PM
Nalbandian here, Nalbandian there...:rolleyes:


When was the last time Nalbi beat Nadal on clay?! :o

Try never. Never played on it.

Commander Data
04-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Nalby right now is the only player that will stop Nadal with his moonballing antics to the backhand. Due to the fact that he takes the ball early and eliminates the running part of Mugdals game. Nalby easily turns the tables against Mugdal by making him run. Absolute genius when playing at hs best :worship:

:rolleyes: How would you know if FatDav can handle Nadals Top spin on clay when they never played on that surface :confused:...We all know that Nadals Game is different on clay then it is on HC. Just because Fatty has handeled him on HC doesn't mean he would stand a chance on clay.

MalwareDie
04-20-2009, 08:29 PM
I like Federer but Federer is unlikely to ever beat Mugboar again unless they play on a fast surface.

Commander Data
04-20-2009, 08:30 PM
Try never. Never played on it.

yeah I know....Hope they play each other some day, though!

Nichele Hull
04-20-2009, 08:37 PM
They are in the same section of the draw at Barcelona so we will see if Nadal will tie their H2H up or Nalby will be ousted by some lame

MalwareDie
04-20-2009, 08:41 PM
They are in the same section of the draw at Barcelona so we will see if Nadal will tie their H2H up or Nalby will be ousted by some lame

Knowing Nalbandian, he will be knocked out early. He will lose to Almugro. He supposedly has a hip problem too. I will really be surprised if he makes it past Almugro.

NadalSharapova
04-20-2009, 09:26 PM
What I mean by exposed is a player knowing the tatics that Nadal does on clay.He hits most of his moonballs to a righthanders backhand to a point that the opponent gets bored and stops running. How many times on clay have you seen Nadal hit his forehand dtl after someone hits the ball CC? If a player would come along and take away the physical part out of the match Nadals reign at FO will end.

there has never been a player who could even challenge nadal at the french open. If no one can even challenge nadal (ie take him the distance), then how are they supposed to win? Even if someone does take nadal to 5 sets (never happened), they would still lose the fifth set. The gap is just too big right now.

Albop
04-20-2009, 10:36 PM
I have not the slightest clue what Nadal has to do to prove him being among the top 2 greatest clay court players ever.

He can't go back and beat Borg or "super Muster".

But beating Coria, Gaudio, Federer, Davydenko, Djokovic, Ferrer, Ferrero, Moya, Gasquet, Hewitt, etc on clay is not enough as they all are abysmal on clay, ignore the fact Federer whooped Kuerten a few times on clay, that Moya and Ferrero both won French opens that Davydenko is a great clay courter.....

They all suck on clay :rolleyes:

Clearly Ferrero and Moya were at his peak, and since when Gasquet and Hewitt are Great Claycourters. ?

prima donna
04-20-2009, 10:42 PM
, ignore the fact Federer whooped Kuerten a few times on clay

Not so.

Total number of meetings on clay: 2

Federer d. Kuerten (6-0, 1-6, 6-2) Hamburg 2002
Kuerten d. Federer (6-4, 6-4, 6-4) Roland Garros 2004

Tom_Bombadil
04-20-2009, 10:59 PM
With Nadal's achievements one can form an unbiased opinion, that's the good thing about numbers. ;)

So anyone who want to apply some logic...

dorkino
04-20-2009, 11:27 PM
It depends.Some factors have to be combined together as the mental and physical status of Rafa at that stage'd be very important. I think it needs some consecutive depleting matches plus a bad day for Rafa and a good day for some dangerous and healthy opponent who'll have a variety of tactics. Any human could be beaten with this and i guess Rafa believes so as well.

vidanhv
04-20-2009, 11:27 PM
Exposing Nadal's game on clay happens every time he comes out on the court. Every single player, trainer and spectator knows what should be done to stop him. But currently, there is no player in the world who can implement this knowledge in a 3 setter, let alone 5 setter. If he is tired, slightly ill and injured and receives the news that Majorca has mysteriously joined Atlantis (cumulatively), he might loose his focus and drop the match.

Nastasie
04-21-2009, 12:04 AM
I have not the slightest clue what Nadal has to do to prove him being among the top 2 greatest clay court players ever.

He can't go back and beat Borg or "super Muster".

But beating Coria, Gaudio, Federer, Davydenko, Djokovic, Ferrer, Ferrero, Moya, Gasquet, Hewitt, etc on clay is not enough as they all are abysmal on clay, ignore the fact Federer whooped Kuerten a few times on clay, that Moya and Ferrero both won French opens that Davydenko is a great clay courter.....

They all suck on clay :rolleyes:

You mean he beat him once, 2-1 in Hamburg. The other time they played on clay...well, that was a whooping, and it didn't go Federer's way. ;)

Just, you know, for the sake of accuracy. Guga's records on clay are srs bznss. :p

Johnny Groove
04-21-2009, 12:08 AM
What game is there to expose? Just how far ahead of everyone else he is? Nadal is 42-1 in sets in the past two years at Roland Garros :lol: He's also never lost there, or even been taken to 5 sets :lol:

As for the greatest on clay discussion, his results speak for themselves, but let's wait until he's retired (or at least when he takes RG for a 5th time in a row) before calling him the best ever. He is on the way, though.

vamosinator
04-21-2009, 02:33 AM
I think when Nadal enters his 30s he will slow down and then be beatable on clay:o

casabe
04-21-2009, 02:38 AM
I think Nalbandian is the only one player that make nadal look how he would play if he were a right handed player. nadal´s style of play is much better for a left hander because he can hit a high ball with topspin on the BH really easy. It is much more complicated to control that kind of balls from the BH than the FH, but not for nalbandian

Arkulari
04-21-2009, 02:39 AM
I don't honestly think Rafa will be playing at 30 :o
I think he might go a-la-Borg, young and full of glory :D

vamosinator
04-21-2009, 02:45 AM
I don't honestly think Rafa will be playing at 30 :o
I think he might go a-la-Borg, young and full of glory :D

That's a popular opinion, because its the only hope the world has, but Nadal plays to improve and he has a lot of improvement left especially with the serve which could be remodelled and made into an ace machine. Kind of like he's remodelling the forehand to become flatter. Nomatter how old you get you can always improve something, like Agassi did with his fitness:o

Clay Death
04-21-2009, 03:37 AM
What game is there to expose? Just how far ahead of everyone else he is? Nadal is 42-1 in sets in the past two years at Roland Garros :lol: He's also never lost there, or even been taken to 5 sets :lol:

As for the greatest on clay discussion, his results speak for themselves, but let's wait until he's retired (or at least when he takes RG for a 5th time in a row) before calling him the best ever. He is on the way, though.


he is 45-0 in best of 5 sets foremats on clay. with still some upside left in his game, their is little or zero hope for the opposition in best of 5 sets matches on clay.

i think he safely wins roland garros 4 more times in a row. that is a total of 8 titles in a row.

nobody gives a damn what happens after that.

Macbrother
04-21-2009, 03:53 AM
What game is there to expose? Just how far ahead of everyone else he is? Nadal is 42-1 in sets in the past two years at Roland Garros :lol: He's also never lost there, or even been taken to 5 sets :lol:

As for the greatest on clay discussion, his results speak for themselves, but let's wait until he's retired (or at least when he takes RG for a 5th time in a row) before calling him the best ever. He is on the way, though.

This, basically. He's mentally, physically, and tactically as perfect a clay player that is humanly possible. There is nothing to expose, no weaknesses. Someone that is not bothered by his left-handed cross-court forehand (a la Nalbandian) or someone with absolute and utter sheer shot-making brilliance (a la Federer of old) are really the only type of players that have a remote chance. The problem is, it just seems impossible to keep such a high level of play against Nadal across 5 sets, whereas Nadal can play in comfort mode for what seems like forever.

I don't honestly think Rafa will be playing at 30 :o
I think he might go a-la-Borg, young and full of glory :D

I don't think so. I think Nadal's mindset is much different, I think Nadal is a much more well rounded guy from a personality stand point, but it's still early. We'll see. Imo if anything causes Nadal an early exit it will be physical.

rafa_maniac
04-21-2009, 04:34 AM
Considering Nalbandian has never won shit on clay and never gotten far enough in a major draw to face Nadal, I hardly think he'll be shaking in his boots at the prospect of playing Fat Dave, especially now he's overcome him on hardcourts :lol:

moon language
04-21-2009, 04:51 AM
I can't stand when people talk about someone's game being "exposed." In the case of Nadal on clay it's especially ridiculous to use this expression considering how long he's been on top on that surface. There's nothing about his game to expose, it's completely out in the open. Players would do better to look for areas of their own game to expose when facing Nadal and hope they find something new and useful.

heartbroken
04-21-2009, 05:53 AM
I can't stand when people talk about someone's game being "exposed." In the case of Nadal on clay it's especially ridiculous to use this expression considering how long he's been on top on that surface. There's nothing about his game to expose, it's completely out in the open. Players would do better to look for areas of their own game to expose when facing Nadal and hope they find something new and useful.

Yep, I don't know what anyone is hoping to "expose" about Nadal's clay game, but I wish 'em luck with that. They're going to need it. Heck, I don't know that Nadal can't get even better on the surface, although at times it seems as though he has already mastered it.

Now, nobody is unbeatable on any surface. All it takes sometimes is one bad day for a big upset. But...betting against Nadal in a best of five on clay? Thanks, but no thanks...

Mechlan
04-21-2009, 05:59 AM
I don't think so. I think Nadal's mindset is much different, I think Nadal is a much more well rounded guy from a personality stand point, but it's still early. We'll see. Imo if anything causes Nadal an early exit it will be physical.

More likely physical, yes. I don't think he'll burn out quite like Borg, but if Nadal can keep up the intensity he brings for several more years, he will be the exception not the rule.

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 06:00 AM
Is he going to play naked?

heartbroken
04-21-2009, 06:06 AM
he is 45-0 in best of 5 sets foremats on clay. with still some upside left in his game, their is little or zero hope for the opposition in best of 5 sets matches on clay.

i think he safely wins roland garros 4 more times in a row. that is a total of 8 titles in a row.

nobody gives a damn what happens after that.

Well, the man certainly has the talent to make a go of it, but that's a TALL order, to put it mildly. I always think about Krajicek interrupting Sampras' run at Wimbledon. Hard to go that long without something going wrong at some point. I could easily see him winning the next two, barring injury, but beyond that...

If anyone could do something like this, it would be Nadal on clay. And if any player wins ANY slam eight times in a row, that will be the most impressive tennis accomplishment that this guy will ever see.

Not to get off-topic, but a sixth consecutive USO title by Federer would also be just plain ridiculous. Lots of good tennis ahead!

heartbroken
04-21-2009, 06:09 AM
Is he going to play naked?

:lol: Well, at least he wouldn't have to tug on his shorts before each point!

finishingmove
04-21-2009, 06:33 AM
:lol: Well, at least he wouldn't have to tug on his shorts before each point!

maybe he's got a tail or something.

GuiroNl
04-21-2009, 07:36 AM
Is this thread for real :o

Action Jackson
04-21-2009, 07:38 AM
maybe he's got a tail or something.

Nadal is bull he has horns.

vamosinator
04-21-2009, 08:04 AM
Michael Jordan and Rafael Nadal are of the same breed.

superslam77
04-21-2009, 08:29 AM
Michael Jordan and Rafael Nadal are of the same breed.

what an insult to that legend! :smash: :help:

more like Mark Mcguire,Barry Bonds and Marion Jones..:devil:

Winners take all
04-21-2009, 08:31 AM
Yes. Ive got a sneaky feeling that Rafa will lose in the semis of the RG this year.

ToniTennis
04-21-2009, 11:51 AM
Is he going to play naked?

:haha: some wish

delpiero7
04-21-2009, 12:02 PM
Mugboar's game is always glaringly exposed whenever he meets Nalbandian.

Which is why Nalbandian has beaten Mugboar every time they've played.

Oh, wait a minute...

ORGASMATRON
04-21-2009, 12:43 PM
The FO is the last place itl be exposed lol. Maybe in another slam. I do think Murray and Djoker can do some good damage to him at the other slams but not the FO. He is too consistent and they must play at a high level throughout the match which wont happen.

ORGASMATRON
04-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Michael Jordan and Rafael Nadal are of the same breed.

Wishful thinking.

rafa the best
04-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Rafa played pretty bad in Monte Carlo, he lacked confidence on his serve and his serve was weak.