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Can Federer get his game back before Wimbledon?

Mint Chip
04-20-2009, 05:04 PM
If he can get it together again I think he can win Wimbledon and the U.S. open but its a long long shot from happening. Its time for a reality check and new found confidence to pick up where he left off.

NadalSharapova
04-20-2009, 05:07 PM
He can get his game back all he likes but he aint winning wimbledon

lamnathalie
04-20-2009, 05:13 PM
I surely hope Federer can get back to his top form and win a few more grandslams, but I don't think he can ever be better than Nadal at least before Wimbledon. He might then have to take care of his family which means he won't be that much into tennis. Of course anything can happen in the future, who knows? :shrug:

switz
04-20-2009, 11:47 PM
he needs a new coach. Someone who will take him outside his comfort zone. Although all he really needs to be is stop playing crap tennis and he'll at the very least be challenging Nadal for number 1 again.

Roddickominator
04-20-2009, 11:57 PM
Fed's game hasn't gone anywhere. He still beats the players he SHOULD beat....and loses to the players he should lose to.

Losing to Stan was a bit weird, but Fed was due to lose to a few guys on clay. He is lucky to have had the success on clay that he has achieved the past few years...his clay game is not that great.

Macbrother
04-21-2009, 03:41 AM
Fed's game hasn't gone anywhere. He still beats the players he SHOULD beat....and loses to the players he should lose to.

Losing to Stan was a bit weird, but Fed was due to lose to a few guys on clay. He is lucky to have had the success on clay that he has achieved the past few years...his clay game is not that great.

Yeah sure. He's serving, hitting his forehand, and moving just as well as he always has, right? Not having complete collapses off either aspect, not having a -20+ W/UE ratio instead of +20+, right?

Keep living in fantasy land.

To the OP, yes of course he can win both; can he get his game back, or perhaps more, is he even capable of getting it back.. we will see. It's impossible to tell.

Roddickominator
04-21-2009, 03:57 AM
Yeah sure. He's serving, hitting his forehand, and moving just as well as he always has, right? Not having complete collapses off either aspect, not having a -20+ W/UE ratio instead of +20+, right?

Keep living in fantasy land.

To the OP, yes of course he can win both; can he get his game back, or perhaps more, is he even capable of getting it back.. we will see. It's impossible to tell.

Fed still dominates most players not named Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal.

What a coincidence that his serve, forehand, and movement look worse when he's playing them....the best returners and retrievers in the game. They have simply continued to improve and Fed has fallen behind. That's how it goes in sports....Fed set a standard and the young guns are matching and surpassing it.

FlavorNuts
04-21-2009, 04:08 AM
Fed still dominates most players not named Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal.

What a coincidence that his serve, forehand, and movement look worse when he's playing them....the best returners and retrievers in the game. They have simply continued to improve and Fed has fallen behind. That's how it goes in sports....Fed set a standard and the young guns are matching and surpassing it.Agreed.

I made that exact point here:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=3337715#post3337715

General Suburbia
04-21-2009, 04:11 AM
I don't know. The reason why Federer was able to win the 3rd and 4th sets last Wimbledon was because he began to realize his backhand wasn't cutting it and constantly ran around it. But these days, his forehand is just an error fest.
Fed has finally found a way to reduce his BH errors: run around the BH to hit a FH error.
Pretty much the truth.

Macbrother
04-21-2009, 04:15 AM
Fed still dominates most players not named Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal.

What a coincidence that his serve, forehand, and movement look worse when he's playing them....the best returners and retrievers in the game. They have simply continued to improve and Fed has fallen behind. That's how it goes in sports....Fed set a standard and the young guns are matching and surpassing it.

They look worse, period, regardless of who he's playing. Did you not just watch his recent match to Wawrinka? Oh but that's just a little weird right? And all the sudden he starts losing to Blake, Gonzo, etc. They all just incredibly upped their game, huh? And Nadal's incredible returns magically cause his 1st serve percentage, not his aces, his service winners, his percentage to fall to sub-40 levels? Whereas it was consistently 65%+ in his former years? If you honestly think Federer's been playing at a high level the past 6 months, we haven't been watching the same game. Goodness, Federer can't keep a forehand in the court to save his life and you think his level hasn't dropped? His absolute most dominant shot?

heartbroken
04-21-2009, 06:20 AM
I wouldn't read too much into Federer's clay results, at least not from the standpoint of determining how well he might do at Wimbledon. I'm not making predictions one way or the other. I'm just saying that he could have a poor clay season, and rebound strongly on the grass. Let's wait for Halle! Remember, 10 of his 13 slams have come in the second half of the year! :)

Cheers,
Dave

iriraz
04-21-2009, 06:25 AM
A good example regarding Wimbledon was Sampras.Every time he struggled throughout the year he came back strong at Wimbledon.Very few players can play good tennis on grass and Federer is one of them.
Last year until the final he didn`t loose a set so that`s a good indication about his grasscourt play.He might have a couple of tough matches but other then Nadal i don`t see anyone taking 3 sets on grass from Federer.

heartbroken
04-21-2009, 06:32 AM
A good example regarding Wimbledon was Sampras.Every time he struggled throughout the year he came back strong at Wimbledon.Very few players can play good tennis on grass and Federer is one of them.
Last year until the final he didn`t loose a set so that`s a good indication about his grasscourt play.He might have a couple of tough matches but other then Nadal i don`t see anyone taking 3 sets on grass from Federer.

Yep. It will be interesting to see if Murray can cause any disruption this year to either Nadal or Federer on the grass. I would still pick Federer or Nadal over Murray, but he could be a dangerous player to have in your half of the draw...

moon language
04-21-2009, 07:18 AM
Of course he can. Although he's never going to be what he used to be because age is catching up with him.

ToniTennis
04-21-2009, 05:00 PM
I used to think he could, but now I'm not that sure. Of course, this is mostly based on his performances in Masters events, for which he apparently has lost interest/motivation since Wimbledon last year (and by that I mean not reaching at least to the same stages he used to in previous editions. What he achieved might be a terrific season for any other player not named Federer or Nadal). However, Grand Slams still seem to spark a different reaction in his mind, so everything might go.

ORGASMATRON
04-21-2009, 06:08 PM
If he can get it together again I think he can win Wimbledon and the U.S. open but its a long long shot from happening. Its time for a reality check and new found confidence to pick up where he left off.

Well said.

Fumus
04-21-2009, 06:54 PM
no.

MIMIC
04-21-2009, 07:47 PM
Fed has finally found a way to reduce his BH errors: run around the BH to hit a FH error.

:haha: :haha: :haha:

BaselineSmash
04-21-2009, 10:23 PM
Just as importantly, can he get his care-free arrogance back? In 2008, Tim Henman met Federer in the SW19 cafeteria on the day of his semi with Safin. Not sure what Henman meant, but apparently the Swiss was hanging out without a worry in the world, and was disarmingly unconcerned about the challenge Marat might pose. Some might say that etching smiley faces in mashed potato as you await a match with Safin is arrogant, but I call it confidence. Fed bounced back from the humiliation of the FO final, and it was normal service resumed -as per usual, he wasn't fretting about his opponents and was only concerned about his self. Other than Nadal, nobody scared him.

One year on, Nadal has messed up Fed's self-posession so much that he doubts himself against virtually everyone in the top 20. We won't see him casually chilling in the cafeteria of Wimbledon in 2009. On semi-finals day, he'll probably break into the famously lavish women's changing rooms and start braiding his hair with trembling fingers. And as security escorts him out and kicks him onto the street, we'll hear him cry, "Equal prize money my ass!"

Fed maybe had a case when he said that he thought that if you weren't fit enough, you shouldn't step out onto the court. This attack on Djokovic has reflected more badly on Fed as the season has progressed, as his mental stability has looked shakier and shakier. Does fitness also apply to mental health? Because if it does, Fed probably shouldn't bother stepping onto court until he gets his winning mindset back and consigns his self-doubt to the past.

Allez
04-21-2009, 10:27 PM
Federer should have retired 2 years ago. There's no more game for him to get back. It's over.

miura
04-21-2009, 10:40 PM
This article is very well written

I mean, honestly, just look at this. In comparison with some of the other articles on here, I could easily go so far as to say that this is one of the best I have ever seen, and I've seen plenty of sick, sick articles in my life. Some of which to even speak the name of would make little children cry and that old man down the street to collect their tears and rub them all over his body while humming "Livin' la Vida Loca". I don't want that to happen, you don't want that to happen, the children don't want that to happen, the old man down the street probably wants that to happen but regardless, I'd still say this article rocks. Just look at it for a second. Actually, look at it from a distance because it's sort of like an ugly kid who from a distance looks really good but when you get up close you realize just how freakin' hideous he is. Except this article looks great from afar and anear, so I suppose that little metaphor was not really necessary.

I keep getting entirely off topic, and that is bad. I should just tell you how great this article is by looking at it word by word. "Opinions" is a great word. It looks a little like onions and anyone who's anyone important loves onions. I'm not really sure what the pi is doing in there though. Maybe it implies that the onion has been multiplied by 3.14, which I suspect would make it pi times better than a normal onion.

"Are grand" is just grand enough as it is so there is no need for I to explain it to thee.

BaselineSmash
04-21-2009, 10:44 PM
This article is very well written

I mean, honestly, just look at this. In comparison with some of the other articles on here, I could easily go so far as to say that this is one of the best I have ever seen, and I've seen plenty of sick, sick articles in my life. Some of which to even speak the name of would make little children cry and that old man down the street to collect their tears and rub them all over his body while humming "Livin' la Vida Loca". I don't want that to happen, you don't want that to happen, the children don't want that to happen, the old man down the street probably wants that to happen but regardless, I'd still say this article rocks. Just look at it for a second. Actually, look at it from a distance because it's sort of like an ugly kid who from a distance looks really good but when you get up close you realize just how freakin' hideous he is. Except this article looks great from afar and anear, so I suppose that little metaphor was not really necessary.

I keep getting entirely off topic, and that is bad. I should just tell you how great this article is by looking at it word by word. "Opinions" is a great word. It looks a little like onions and anyone who's anyone important loves onions. I'm not really sure what the pi is doing in there though. Maybe it implies that the onion has been multiplied by 3.14, which I suspect would make it pi times better than a normal onion.

"Are grand" is just grand enough as it is so there is no need for I to explain it to thee.

I thought I'd seen it all when it came to solutions to Federer's crisis.

I was wrong.

Federerhingis
04-22-2009, 12:58 AM
Of course he can. Although he's never going to be what he used to be because age is catching up with him.

This sounds very reasonable to me.

On another point I guess I can also agree with those that said that the clay results don't generally correlate that significantly with results on grass.

If his serve and forehand return to any type of normalcy for Roger standards he'l remain a permanent force for a couple of more years.

Har-Tru
04-22-2009, 01:38 AM
Just as importantly, can he get his care-free arrogance back? In 2008, Tim Henman met Federer in the SW19 cafeteria on the day of his semi with Safin. Not sure what Henman meant, but apparently the Swiss was hanging out without a worry in the world, and was disarmingly unconcerned about the challenge Marat might pose. Some might say that etching smiley faces in mashed potato as you await a match with Safin is arrogant, but I call it confidence. Fed bounced back from the humiliation of the FO final, and it was normal service resumed -as per usual, he wasn't fretting about his opponents and was only concerned about his self. Other than Nadal, nobody scared him.

One year on, Nadal has messed up Fed's self-posession so much that he doubts himself against virtually everyone in the top 20. We won't see him casually chilling in the cafeteria of Wimbledon in 2009. On semi-finals day, he'll probably break into the famously lavish women's changing rooms and start braiding his hair with trembling fingers. And as security escorts him out and kicks him onto the street, we'll hear him cry, "Equal prize money my ass!"

Fed maybe had a case when he said that he thought that if you weren't fit enough, you shouldn't step out onto the court. This attack on Djokovic has reflected more badly on Fed as the season has progressed, as his mental stability has looked shakier and shakier. Does fitness also apply to mental health? Because if it does, Fed probably shouldn't bother stepping onto court until he gets his winning mindset back and consigns his self-doubt to the past.

Excellent post.

green25814
04-22-2009, 01:42 AM
Federer needs something new to motivate him. He needs to get pissed off, angry enough to work these demons out of his game. He needs more focus. I dont know where he can get these two things, but once he gets them he should be fine.

I don't buy the age thing. He's 28 and has had no serious injuries during his carreer, he should be fine.

ORGASMATRON
04-22-2009, 01:54 AM
Federer needs something new to motivate him. He needs to get pissed off, angry enough to work these demons out of his game. He needs more focus. I dont know where he can get these two things, but once he gets them he should be fine.

I don't buy the age thing. He's 28 and has had no serious injuries during his carreer, he should be fine.

Well he got pretty pissed off at Miami dont you think? Having said that i dont know if it would be enough. Its intruging to watch how many break downs it will take for him to realize that something has to change.

Pfloyd
04-22-2009, 01:56 AM
I think this will be extremely difficult, after all, he has to arrive at Wimbledon playing at least decently for confidence sake.

At least previous years when he lost the French and went to Wimbledon, he at least was last years champion (which gives confidence), and already had a couple of tournaments in his pocket.

Unless he wins a tournament (or two) convincingly over decent opponents, he may not be a HUGE threat in Wimbledon, given Murray and Nadal's form.

Venle
04-22-2009, 08:52 AM
I'm hoping so.

FedFan_2007
04-22-2009, 09:03 AM
Right now Federer couldn't beat a 4.0 tennis player.

tennis2tennis
04-22-2009, 10:57 AM
I would love to see the Roger of 2004/5/6 back...it'll depend on how much he wants it, and how much he's prepared to work for it,

2003
04-22-2009, 11:56 AM
I don't think Federer will ever lose any motivation where Wimbledon is concerned..no matter what happens. He's stated many times that he wouldn't care what happened as long as he could get that trohpy back.

Federer is still the favourite there, even this year.

COME ON ROGER!

Ozone
06-13-2009, 03:30 PM
Fed's game hasn't gone anywhere. He still beats the players he SHOULD beat....and loses to the players he should lose to.

Losing to Stan was a bit weird, but Fed was due to lose to a few guys on clay. He is lucky to have had the success on clay that he has achieved the past few years...his clay game is not that great.
4 Roland Garros Finals and now a championship. Hamburg title and Madrid title over Rafa in straights.

Ozone
06-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Right now Federer couldn't beat a 4.0 tennis player.
:lol: I guess Rafa could be the 4.0 tennis player you are talking about, since he beat him 64 64 nto to long after this post. :lol:

Ozone
06-13-2009, 03:34 PM
Federer should have retired 2 years ago. There's no more game for him to get back. It's over.
:rolls: :lol: Its called a slump maybe. Even though Fed had plenty of success just after this post. :lol:

Dini
06-13-2009, 03:38 PM
Just goes on to show that you can never write him off.

rwn
06-13-2009, 03:46 PM
Federer is the only player in history who is "in decline" and keeps making grand slam final after grand slam final. When do people ever learn ??

superslam77
06-13-2009, 03:49 PM
I've said it before and will continue to say it again..MTFsians are the biggest knee jerk, exaggerating, overhyping tards i've ever seen.

Someone making practically every GS final and happened to lose in 5 sets to nadal.. yeah he is done :rolleyes:


2008 the bad year..
AO SF
RG F
Wim F
US W

2 MS F and 4 titles.

Olympics Gold in Doubles.

That year alone better than 99% of every ATP player.

tennis2tennis
06-13-2009, 04:15 PM
federer doesn't need his A game to win a major!

Iván
06-13-2009, 04:21 PM
Fed never lets his fans down, people who always believed in him knew he would deliver.

who cares if he loses some poxy atp tour matches to pushers and wannabes.

grand slams is what matters and what people always remember.

MacTheKnife
06-13-2009, 04:21 PM
I have mixed thoughts about not playing a tune up event. No doubt it was a good move from a mental and emotional perspective. But, it remains to be seen how it will affect his game on grass.

Yves.
06-13-2009, 04:25 PM
He should play Rosmalen.

rwn
06-13-2009, 04:28 PM
I have mixed thoughts about not playing a tune up event. No doubt it was a good move from a mental and emotional perspective. But, it remains to be seen how it will affect his game on grass.

Federer did the same in 2007.

MacTheKnife
06-13-2009, 04:32 PM
Federer did the same in 2007.

I know, but it's not 2007 anymore. We'll see. A few cake walks could make up for it, but a tough early round draw could be telling.

rwn
06-13-2009, 04:33 PM
I know, but it's not 2007 anymore. We'll see. A few cake walks could make up for it, but a tough early round draw could be telling.

Not again the "decline" theory :rolleyes:

MacTheKnife
06-13-2009, 05:07 PM
Not again the "decline" theory :rolleyes:

No, the logical theory.:rolleyes:

tennis_fan_2006
06-13-2009, 05:09 PM
As Rudy Tomjonavich said it: "dont' ever underestimate the heart of a champion"