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Davis Cup 2009- ALLEZ LES BLEUS!

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Brownie
03-03-2009, 08:28 PM
Schedule versus Czech Republic:

Friday: 13:30 GMT
Saturday: 13:00 GMT
Sunday: 12:00 GMT

Tess Gray
03-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Yay :bounce: Thanks :p

~*BGT*~
03-03-2009, 08:34 PM
You should change the title to Allez Les Bleus.... that's what they called them when I went to DC last year. :)

~*BGT*~
03-03-2009, 08:37 PM
In case anyone hasn't seen them, here are my France/USA DC pics :)

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l319/blackgirltennis/Davis%20Cup/?start=all

Keijan
03-03-2009, 08:38 PM
:rocker2: Lauren !

reggie1
03-03-2009, 08:44 PM
Thanks Lauren xx

PinkFeatherBoa
03-03-2009, 10:05 PM
Davis Cup always makes me nervous. :awww:

Definitely looking forward to it, though!

Brownie
03-04-2009, 01:28 AM
An article about the doubles from Eurosport (http://www.eurosport.fr/tennis/coupe-davis/2009/le-double-deverrouille_sto1861790/story.shtml):

http://i.eurosport.fr/2008/04/12/431912-2892477-317-238.jpg

Sans Clément, le double est déverrouillé

Sans Arnaud Clément, surnommé "la Clé", quelles sont les options du capitaine Guy Forget en double pour le 1er tour de Coupe Davis Rep.tchèque-France ? Celui qui a été, depuis 2004, un des rouages essentiels de son équipe, ne sera pas remplacé poste pour poste. L'heure est à l'ouverture.

COUPE DAVIS - 1er tour : République tchèque - France

Depuis deux ans, Guy Forget se refusait à ouvrir la boite de Pandore. Le capitaine restait conservateur en laissant certains joueurs prometteurs dans son coffre-fort. En 2009, Guy Forget a perdu la "Clé" de son équipe, entendez Arnaud Clément (et Paul-Henri Mathieu), et voici les novices Gaël Monfils et Gilles Simon enfin libres d'exprimer leur talent. Le choix s'imposait, depuis un an déjà. Car si Arnaud Clément était un maillon essentiel du projet de Forget ces dernières années, s'il a apporté plus de points qu'il n'en a perdus, ses résultats bruts ne plaident pas en sa faveur. Après deux victoires en simple contre la Roumanie en 2007 et 2008, Clément a gagné son dernier match de Coupe Davis en double face aux numéros 1 mondiaux, Bob et Mike Bryan, l'an passé. Une victoire inutile puisque la France avait perdu la rencontre (1-4). Il était temps d'envisager différemment le point du double.

L'esprit de corps cède la place à la polyvalence. Les réticences de Forget à faire jouer Gaël Monfils, Gilles Simon ou d'autres en Coupe Davis, étaient liées à la cohérence de son projet. Contrairement à ce qu'ont pu faire les Américains ou les Russes, mais comme l'Espagne tenante du titre, la France a misé depuis la saga Noah de 1991 sur la primauté du groupe sur le joueur. Le déclin de la génération Grosjean-Clément n'a pas immédiatement remis en cause cette approche. Il a fallu que les prétendants ruent dans les brancards en 2008 pour admettre le changement d'époque en 2009 (pour l'illustrer, la présence désormais possible de Thierry Tulasne, Eric Winogradsky et Roger Rasheed dans le groupe). Arnaud Clément doit donc logiquement laisser sa place pour le premier tour malgré un premier titre à Marseille avec Michaël Llodra cette saison. Guy Forget n'a plus besoin du "combattant", garant de l'esprit d'équipe comme un demi-de-mêlée aboyeur en rugby, mais de joueurs capables de rapporter un point en simple comme en double. Un point, c'est tout, a-t-on envie de dire.

Oublier le "ciment" Clément pour inventer une autre équipe

La nouvelle génération n'est pas née polyvalente, elle bénéficie pourtant de l'évolution du jeu. Aujourd'hui, il faut aller vers l'avant, et jouer un petit double de temps en temps est recommandé. Tsonga, leader évident, que l'on imagine plutôt dévoué au simple, est un joueur efficace dans les deux genres. Dans le groupe sélectionné pour le voyage tchèque, deux joueurs n'ont pas de très bonnes références en double : Gaël Monfils et Gilles Simon. Ceci dit, tous possèdent d'excellentes références en simple.

Celui qui est le moins bien placé, c'est clairement Gaël Monfils. Le Parisien n'a jamais rien gagné en double. Il a joué six fois avec Gilles Simon (dont deux Masters Series et les derniers Jeux Olympiques) et deux fois avec Richard Gasquet, sans succès. Gilles Simon a tenté plus souvent le diable du double. C'est avec Jo-Wilfried Tsonga qu'il a remporté un tournoi (un Future certes, et en 2004, mais c'est un début). Le mieux placé est Richard Gasquet. Derrière Tsonga, Simon et Monfils au classement malgré un très bon début de saison, le Biterrois possède un bon bagage en double et un style idéal pour le job : gros service, volée précise. Dans la situation actuelle, le choix de la paire française ne sera pas cornélien : Michaël Llodra n'a joué avec aucun des quatre mais il peut jouer avec toute le monde, dont Richard Gasquet ou Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, et ces deux-là peuvent jouer ensemble. Et tellement bien. Dès leur premier tournoi ensemble, ils avaient gagné le titre à Sydney l'an passé.

On peut remarquer, avant la rencontre d'Ostrava, que les adversaires des Français devront se démultiplier pour vaincre, Radek Stepanek et Tomas Berdych jouant habituellement les simples et les doubles. Face à cinq joueurs d'un tel niveau, les Tchèques devront composer. D'un autre côté: quatre des cinq Français engagés n'ont aucune expérience en double, et deux aucun expérience du tout ! Le double n'est plus la clé de voûte de l'équipe de France, mais elle sera, comme souvent, la pierre angulaire du match Rép.tchèque-France.

LA POSITION DE GUY FORGET :

Avez-vous déjà une idée de son nouveau profil de la paire de double ?

GUY FORGET : "J'ai une idée, mais il y a plusieurs possibilités. Aujourd'hui, je n'ai pas encore arrêté mon choix, car j'ai plusieurs options. Plusieurs joueurs parmi les cinq peuvent bien jouer en double et plusieurs compositions peuvent rapporter le point du double à l'équipe de France. Même si j'ai une petite idée, ça se jouera sur le terrain en fonction de l'inspiration du moment."

"Aujourd'hui, j'estime que me passer de joueurs comme ceux que j'ai pris serait encore plus pénalisant. Il y a toujours des garçons qui méritent plus que d'autres, il y a toujours des gars qui vont être lancés pour la première fois. J'ai plutôt envie de faire en sorte que les meilleurs représentants soient là et que l'on puisse avancer comme ça."

L'EXPERIENCE FERA-T-ELLE LA DIFFERENCE ?

. Gaël Monfils : aucune expérience en Coupe Davis.
. Gilles Simon : aucune expérience.
. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga : 1 match joué en simple et 1 victoire.
. Richard Gasquet : 5 victoires en simple et 5 défaites en simple.
. Michaël Llodra : 1 victoire, 3 défaites en simple.
10 victoires, 4 défaites en double.

A SAVOIR : Arnaud Clément : 11 victoires, 9 défaites en simple.
6 victoires en double, 2 défaites. Aucune participation à une finale.

Radek Stepanek (CZE) : 4 victoires, 5 défaites en simple.
4 victoires en double, une défaite.
Tomas Berdych(CZE) : 10 victoires, 6 défaites en simple.
5 victoires en double, aucune défaite.

A SAVOIR : Michaël Llodra, diminué par une blessure à l'épaule, n'est pas encore assuré d'être à 100% pour la rencontre.

Brownie
03-04-2009, 01:29 AM
google translated pour les anglophones:):
Without Clement, the double is unlocked

Without Arnaud Clement, nicknamed "the key", what are the options of Captain Guy Forget double the 1st round of Davis Cup Czech Rep. France? Anyone who has been, since 2004, a key element of his team will not be replaced post for post. It is time for opening.

DAVIS CUP - 1st round: Czech Republic - France

For two years, Guy Forget refused to open the Pandora's box. The captain remained conservative leaving some promising players in his safe. In 2009, Guy Forget has lost the "key" to his team, hear Arnaud Clement (and Paul-Henri Mathieu), and here are the novices GaŽl Monfils and Gilles Simon finally free to express their talent. The choice was necessary, since a year ago. Because if Arnaud Clement was a key link in the draft Forget the last few years, it has contributed more points than it has lost its raw results do not argue in its favor. After two singles victories against Romania in 2007 and 2008, Clement won his last Davis Cup match in double-sided world numbers 1, Bob and Mike Bryan, last year. A victory unnecessary since France had lost the encounter (1-4). It was time to consider a different point on the double.

The spirit gives way to the versatility. Forget the reluctance to play GaŽl Monfils, Gilles Simon or other Davis Cup, were related to the coherence of his project. Contrary to what could be the Americans or the Russians, but as the title holder Spain, France has relied since the Noah saga of 1991 on the primacy of the group on the player. The decline in generation Grosjean Clement did not immediately questioned this approach. It took the contenders flock in stretchers in 2008 to accept the change of era in 2009 (for example, the possible presence of Thierry Tulasne, Eric Winogradsky and Roger Rasheed in the group). Arnaud Clement logically should leave his place for the first round despite a first title in Marseille with MichaŽl Llodra this season. Guy Forget no longer needs the "combatant", as guarantor of the team as a half-de-fray aboyeur in rugby, but players can report an item as simple as double. A point is all, is there to say.

Forget the "cement" Clement to invent another team

The new generation born is not versatile, yet it enjoys the evolution of the game today, we must go forward and play a little double time to time is recommended. Tsonga leader obvious, that we imagine rather dedicated to the simple, is an effective player in both genres. In the group selected for Czech trip, two players do not have very good references for doubles: GaŽl Monfils and Gilles Simon. That said, all have excellent references for singles.

Whichever is less well placed, it is clearly GaŽl Monfils. Le Parisien has never won twice. He played six times with Gilles Simon (two Masters Series and the last Olympic Games) and twice with Richard Gasquet, without success. Gilles Simon has tried more often double the devil. With Jo-Wilfried Tsonga won that tournament (an admittedly Future, and in 2004, but it is a start). The best position is Richard Gasquet. Behind Tsonga, Simon and Monfils classification despite a very good start to the season, Biterrois has a good background in double style ideal for the job: big service, fly precisely. In the present situation, the choice of the French pair will not be cornelien: MichaŽl Llodra has played with any of the four but he can play with everybody, including Richard Gasquet or Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, and these two can play together. And so good. On their first tournament together, they had won the title in Sydney last year.

It may be noted before the meeting in Ostrava, that opponents of the French will have leverage to overcome, Radek Stepanek and Tomas Berdych playing usually single and double. Faced with five players of such level, the Czechs will have to contend. On the other hand, four of the five French hired have no experience in double, and two no experience at all! The double is the cornerstone of the French team, but it will, as often the cornerstone of match Czech Rep. France.

THE POSITION OF GUY FORGET:

Have you an idea of its new profile of the pair of double?

GUY FORGET: "I have an idea, but there are several possibilities. Today, I have not yet decided my choice because I have several options. Several players among the top five can play well in doubles and several compositions may return the item twice to the French team. Even if I have an idea, it will play on the field depending on the spur of the moment. "

"Today, I feel that I move from players like the ones I would be even more disadvantageous. There are always boys who deserve more than others, there are always guys that will be launched for the first time. Instead, I want to ensure that the best representatives are there and can move like that. "

EXPERIENCE WILL DOES THE DIFFERENCE?

. GaŽl Monfils no Davis Cup experience.
. Gilles Simon: no experience.
. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: 1 game played in singles and 1 victory.
. Richard Gasquet: 5 wins in singles and 5 losses in singles.
. MichaŽl Llodra: 1 win, 3 losses in singles.
10 wins, 4 defeats in duplicate.

NAMELY: Arnaud Clťment: 11 wins, 9 defeats in singles.
6 wins in doubles, 2 defeats. Non participation in a final.

Radek Stepanek (CZE): 4 wins, 5 losses in singles.
4 wins in doubles defeat.
Tomas Berdych (CZE): 10 wins, 6 defeats in singles.
5 wins in doubles, no defeat.

NAMELY: MichaŽl Llodra, decreased by a shoulder injury, is still not guaranteed to be 100% for the meeting.

reggie1
03-04-2009, 10:30 AM
Thanks Lauren and for the riddle that is Google translate :lol::hug:

Venle
03-04-2009, 10:32 AM
Allez les Bleus !

Richie is in the team. Dunno should I be relieved, happy, nervous, scared..? :shrug:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-04-2009, 12:30 PM
Great thread Lauren and great pics Katie. You were so lucky getting your picture taken with all the guys (even Richard ... go you!!!) I think you should be a mixture of them all Venle :lol: So what do we think the order will be then? I reckon the two singles will be Jo and Gilles followed by Mika and Rich in the doubles. Depending on how France do I think Rich could then play one of the reverse singles. Anyone agree/disagree?

SUKTUEN
03-04-2009, 03:45 PM
ALLEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Richard!!!

Masha91
03-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Bonne chance Richie et France, ALLEZ!

~*BGT*~
03-04-2009, 05:41 PM
Great thread Lauren and great pics Katie. You were so lucky getting your picture taken with all the guys (even Richard ... go you!!!) I think you should be a mixture of them all Venle :lol: So what do we think the order will be then? I reckon the two singles will be Jo and Gilles followed by Mika and Rich in the doubles. Depending on how France do I think Rich could then play one of the reverse singles. Anyone agree/disagree?

You're calling me Katie again. :lol:

The guys were very nice.. ALL of them. Richie made eye contact with me twice :drops dead: Once when he was signing my poster. And during his dead rubber with Blake, I went and sat behind the French bench because so many people had left. It was during the first set TB and Richie was changing ends and as he was reaching for his towel from the ball kid, he and I locked eyes. :eek: They really are more beautiful than you can imagine. :worship:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-04-2009, 05:51 PM
Argh!!! Why do I keep calling you katie when you're Dani???!!! I am sorry hun. Forgive me? You're so lucky Rich made eye contact with you. I do like his eyes so I can only imagine what they're like in reality

Schu
03-05-2009, 12:11 AM
Is there any live stream for the French DC tie?

I can see the US demolition on The Tennis Channel but not interested. I better keep my mouth shut or I could give the US Team the Argentina jinx.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-05-2009, 12:14 AM
I was wondering that myself Schu. I'm wondering if it'll be on the usual sites. we'll just have to wait and see and hope

tennis lover
03-05-2009, 12:09 PM
R1 - T.BERDYCH (CZE) v. G.SIMON (FRA)
R2 - R.STEPANEK (CZE) v. J.TSONGA (FRA)
R3 - L.DLOUHY / J.HERNYCH (CZE) v. R.GASQUET / M.LLODRA (FRA)
R4 - R.STEPANEK (CZE) v. G.SIMON (FRA)
R5 - T.BERDYCH (CZE) v. J.TSONGA (FRA)

I think we all expected this. :D ALLEZ! :bounce:

the article on the dc website says that Gael pulled out...no idea why. :shrug:
http://www.daviscup.com/news/newsarticle.asp?articleid=15687

reggie1
03-05-2009, 12:38 PM
Thanks Jo, Richie should at least have fun in the doubles and not feel under such pressure as he has the doubles supremo Mika to play with.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-05-2009, 12:55 PM
Yeah its the one I expected. Good luck to them all :) Richard should be okay with Mika. He'll enjoy himself as you said vicky and who knows he might even get a reverse singles

Eimear O'Mahony
03-05-2009, 12:56 PM
Just read about Gael ... that's a little weird :confused:

Masha91
03-05-2009, 01:46 PM
Yeah, just read that too, a tad strange.

Brownie
03-05-2009, 02:10 PM
Thanks for the schedule Jo!

There is some audio from interviews after the draw selection here: http://www.fft.fr/coupe-davis/2009/rep_tch-france/?ID=4765

lisaplenske
03-05-2009, 02:53 PM
I like jo interview when he say that every player of the team is a nį1 inside it. Their strengh will be to make their best to win their match,everyone workinf for the other.
there s no real leader there. Tous pour Un,Un pour Tous!

Mousquetaires Signature:cool::worship:

~*BGT*~
03-05-2009, 04:02 PM
Jo -- stomp the Steps! :armed:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Any reason given for Gael's withdrawal yet guys?

oranges
03-05-2009, 08:17 PM
Any reason given for Gael's withdrawal yet guys?

I think it has to do with making room for Llodra to play doubles and they obviously decided on Gilles and Jo for singles.

tufani
03-05-2009, 08:18 PM
He didn't withdraw, Eimear. It's mostly Forget who decides what players should play the tie and he picked Mika on the team instead of completing "the New Musketeers" foursome, that's it.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-05-2009, 08:26 PM
Yeah that makes sense but on the DC website earlier it said he withdrew and that the full story would follow. I think they got it wrong though because now it just says they're without Gael Monfils, who was originally selected for the 4 man squad. I think you guys are right though and Forget just didn't put him in the final 4 and went for Mika in the doubles

PinkFeatherBoa
03-06-2009, 01:24 AM
No surprises with the draw then...

I really hope we get to see this tie (and selfishly I'm glad of the lesser "pressure" on our guy's shoulders this DC :)).

Tommy fan
03-06-2009, 10:22 AM
allez France!!

Puschkin
03-06-2009, 11:58 AM
(and selfishly I'm glad of the lesser "pressure" on our guy's shoulders this DC :)).

I wholeheartedly agree with that.

oranges
03-06-2009, 12:36 PM
Possible streams:
http://ct1streaming.visual.cz/asx/CT2LiveWL.asx
http://master.nacevi.cz/asx/ct2liveWH.asx
http://master.nacevi.cz/asx/ct2liveWL.asx
http://ct1streaming.visual.cz/asx/CT2LiveWH.asx

and 2 requiring RealPlayer
http://ct1streaming.visual.cz/asx/CT2LiveRL.ram
http://ct1streaming.visual.cz/asx/CT2LiveRH.ram

reggie1
03-06-2009, 01:18 PM
Oh thanks Oranges xx

garnetti
03-07-2009, 03:44 AM
anyone seen any of the live streaming working? and what time

I saw that giles lost but jo won in straight sets.

rina
03-07-2009, 04:02 AM
this is a really stupid question but i havent followed dc before and am curious ... if the french lads lose this tie are they out of the tourny?

Schu
03-07-2009, 04:14 AM
anyone seen any of the live streaming working? and what time

I saw that giles lost but jo won in straight sets.

http://www.justin.tv/srbijatv3 worked pretty well today.

Masha91
03-07-2009, 04:16 AM
http://www.justin.tv/srbijatv3 worked pretty well today.

That's the one I used, when I watched it the picture was very clear.

Schu
03-07-2009, 04:42 AM
this is a really stupid question but i havent followed dc before and am curious ... if the french lads lose this tie are they out of the tourny?

They are out.

And I'm not sure but do the first round losers have to play in a play off to stay in the world group next year?

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 05:14 AM
And I'm not sure but do the first round losers have to play in a play off to stay in the world group next year?

I'm quite sure you're right. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. It's been said before, but France certainly have a good enough team to win it this year. The doubles match will be very important. Lose, and France have to win both reverse singles; win, and we can just leave it up to Jo to win one more match:p.

reggie1
03-07-2009, 09:50 AM
Rina, you are not the only one, I really don't know much about DC either.

lisaplenske
03-07-2009, 09:57 AM
Allez RICHARD!ALLEZ MICKA!!ALLEZ FRANCE!:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:24 AM
Yeah I think they go into a Play-Off next year to get back into the world group if they lose to the Czech Republic. If they win the play-off they stay in the world group, if not they get relegated to the Euro/Africa Zone that Britain are in at the moment. It is kind of complicated but let's hope we can win this tie. Allez FRANCE!!!

garnetti
03-07-2009, 11:04 AM
http://www.justin.tv/srbijatv3 worked pretty well today.


this site is showing the serbia and spain tie at the moment. anyone know if they will be showing the french/czech doubles match later and when, or whether this is on now on another site? thanks

Tess Gray
03-07-2009, 11:11 AM
It will start at 2pm CET, so they're not showing it atm. On GM is a thread with livestreams that are working at that moment, but I'm sure it will also be posted here when the match starts;)

lisaplenske
03-07-2009, 11:16 AM
the czech captain decided to send his best players to play doubles

the french team will have to face the berdych/stepaneck pair...

Big bet from him but a very exciting match to come:bounce::armed::armed:

JBdV
03-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Good luck Richie and Mika.

garnetti
03-07-2009, 11:28 AM
It will start at 2pm CET, so they're not showing it atm. On GM is a thread with livestreams that are working at that moment, but I'm sure it will also be posted here when the match starts;)


thanks, so how many hours from now is that? I'm not good with all the different time zones.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:28 AM
Berdych and Stepanek are playing doubles??? That is a HUGE gamble from the Czech captain. They won't be fresh for tomorrow now whereas Gilles and Jo will unless Forget decides to change the doubles pairing now they're playing Stepanek and Berdych but I don't think he will. This could really work in France's favour

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:28 AM
Its in two and a half hours from now

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Or one and half hours I should say. I was thinking of 2pm GMT but if its CET thats 1pm GMT so 1 and a half hours from now

Bashak
03-07-2009, 12:26 PM
guys here's a link to time in most tournament cities. it's quite helpful.
http://www.pawforum.ovh.org/worldclocks/

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 01:06 PM
Any links to live-streams?

pascal'rG
03-07-2009, 01:11 PM
Not very good quality but anyway :

http://fr.justin.tv/abdel55

garnetti
03-07-2009, 01:18 PM
how come it's not on channel surfing when every other davis cup tie is on???

pascal'rG
03-07-2009, 01:20 PM
It's french television... no official streaming...

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 01:27 PM
The Czech captain subbed Steps in only because he know he can get in Richie's head. :mad: Richie down 15-40 on his serve. :o

orangehat
03-07-2009, 01:28 PM
richie broken :mad:

orangehat
03-07-2009, 01:46 PM
czechs with the 1st set. gonna be an uphill struggle now. richie still seems to be affected by that idiot stepanek's presence :o. i HATE that idiot.

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 01:52 PM
i'm not liking the comments they are making in the chat box on the side:(. They keep bagging Gasquet :mad:

garnetti
03-07-2009, 01:59 PM
i'm not liking the comments they are making in the chat box on the side:(. They keep bagging Gasquet :mad:

like what are they saying?

stepanek is an ugly monkey but why does he bother richard so much?

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 01:59 PM
I didn't see the first set but I'm guessing from the commentators that Richard didn't play that well maybe? but they are being very encouraging about him, I think he's settled into the match now. :)

Masha91
03-07-2009, 02:00 PM
He just gets under people's skin.

orangehat
03-07-2009, 02:02 PM
allez a break. after good play from richie :d and mika of course!

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 02:03 PM
like what are they saying?

stepanek is an ugly monkey but why does he bother richard so much?

They're sayings things like that Forget is a d!ickhead for choosing gasquet; someone said that whenever they look at Gasquet he looks sad and lacking in confidence; someone also called him a 'saucisse', which literally means 'sausage'; but the worst of all was when someone said that he was the shame of French tennis:mad:.

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 02:06 PM
the commentators are really sweet, it's like Richard is their son or something and they're trying to encourage him. :lol: I think they are genuinely scared about his mental health! :o

Masha91
03-07-2009, 02:08 PM
They're sayings things like that Forget is a d!ickhead for choosing gasquet; someone said that whenever they look at Gasquet he looks sad and lacking in confidence; someone also called him a 'saucisse', which literally means 'sausage'; but the worst of all was when someone said that he was the shame of French tennis:mad:.

Oh *sigh*. A shame? That's a bit too far.

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 02:08 PM
Now Richie and Mika are destroying the Czechs. :lol: :armed:

garnetti
03-07-2009, 02:11 PM
the picture quality is so shite
better than nothing I guess

cheska
03-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Hey guys, what's the score?
I'm only using my mobile phone for updates and I don't have any installed software/gadgets here..

Btw, I really enjoy reading your comments on this board. This is my 1st post but I've been visiting this board for 2-3 years now. :)

pascal'rG
03-07-2009, 02:13 PM
3/6 6/1

Schu
03-07-2009, 02:14 PM
I missed the first set but was afraid it was Richie that got broken. I don't understan much french but I could tell the commentary in that stupid box was really slaming Richie.

Team France looking good now -looks like he's gotten over his nerves and is dealing with The Jerk on the other side of the net. llodra can certainly deal with Radek so hopefully he is helping richie through his "issues".

Two more sets just like that one...

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 02:17 PM
They called Richard the shame of French tennis? Ouch!!! That's harsh!!!

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 02:26 PM
They called Richard the shame of French tennis? Ouch!!! That's harsh!!!

They're obviously all jerks (other words come to mind, but not ones I should use on this forum). Some of them were asking about porno site not long ago:rolleyes:. Their opinions are obviously worth nothing.

Schu
03-07-2009, 02:33 PM
AHH Yes - there's that backhand. He's starting to get in the groove. The problem for richie playing with Mika is that he has to play the "wrong side" of the court.

Richie still looks nervous when they show his face up close. Just play Richie...

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 02:36 PM
Richie's smashes are sexy. :lick: I don't know why I find them sexy, but maybe it's because he's really good and them and he seems confident that they're gonna be a winner... so that makes it sexy? :lol:

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 02:37 PM
He finally seems in the match now, his backhands and volleys are back on fire

Schu
03-07-2009, 02:43 PM
Richie's smashes are sexy. :lick: I don't know why I find them sexy, but maybe it's because he's really good and them and he seems confident that they're gonna be a winner... so that makes it sexy? :lol:

That's about the only thing he seems confident in his game but yeah they do look good and I'm not gonna say it to jinx him but he rarely...

My stream keeps freezing ARGH - not that I could see much anyway but I HATe when it does that - stupid internet connection I have.

4-4 TIME FOR A BREAK!!!!

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 02:46 PM
I fear a TB may be on it's way :scared:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 02:46 PM
Its not just you Schu. Its totally gone on me now

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 02:47 PM
Has anyone else got another livestream? Justin TV totally isn't working for me now

Bri
03-07-2009, 02:48 PM
http://www.justin.tv/koh_lanta

another justin link, but seems to be better than the other one

orangehat
03-07-2009, 02:49 PM
i have a bad feeling if this were to go to a tiebreak ...

orangehat
03-07-2009, 02:50 PM
in the end it wasn't necessary. czechs 2-1 up. worrying times ...

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Stupid Steps and his perfectly timed lobs. :(

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Ah brilliant thanks Bri

Eliande
03-07-2009, 02:52 PM
They called Richard the shame of French tennis? Ouch!!! That's harsh!!!

I wouldn't pay much attention to those comments.
If Richard won Roland Garros, the same people would probably say that they've always believed in him.:(

In the meantime, 3rd set to the Czechs!

PinkFeatherBoa
03-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Argh, uphill battle now.

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 02:54 PM
:help: I jinxed it! :o I actually can't believe they lost that set, I felt like they were fairly in control the whole time. :(

Allez les bleus! :bounce:

orangehat
03-07-2009, 02:55 PM
not playing enough of the lob i think. they should try to muddle up steps and birdy more haha :lol: like that point in the 2nd set.

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 03:05 PM
Llodra is ruining it

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 03:05 PM
It's over... down 0-3 in the 4th. :sad:

Schu
03-07-2009, 03:08 PM
Guess I'm glad I can't see it 0-3. How did that break happen? ie. id Richie screw it up? llodra? or the bad guys on fire?

Eliande
03-07-2009, 03:09 PM
It's not over until it's over...

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 03:10 PM
Well I'm rather pessimistic : Tsonga will beat easily Berdych tomorrow, no doubt about it; but I don't really trust Simon for beating Stepanek

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 03:12 PM
The form that Gilles is in, I bet they will consider playing Rich but I hope not he doestn't need the pressure.

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Guess I'm glad I can't see it 0-3. How did that break happen? ie. id Richie screw it up? llodra? or the bad guys on fire?

Up 40-0 in that game and then sloppy play. :(

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 03:14 PM
my livestream has died :help:

Eliande
03-07-2009, 03:15 PM
The form that Gilles is in, I bet they will consider playing Rich but I hope not he doestn't need the pressure.

What about Monfils?

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 03:17 PM
What about Monfils?

Monfils isn't shortlisted, therefore he can't play tomorrow.

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 03:17 PM
Monfils can't play, he isn't one of the four on the team. :shrug:

Schu
03-07-2009, 03:17 PM
The form that Gilles is in, I bet they will consider playing Rich but I hope not he doestn't need the pressure.

Well Richie seems to let old sexy get under his skin waaaay too much. Can't imagine Richie, against Steps in a decisive match in hostile territory - not gonna happen. Is Monfils an option?

Schu
03-07-2009, 03:18 PM
my livestream has died :help:

mine too but spares us the torture 2-5.

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 03:19 PM
I agree Richard shouldn't play tomorrow against Stepanek after his last painful defeat.

Eliande
03-07-2009, 03:22 PM
Monfils isn't shortlisted, therefore he can't play tomorrow.

I see...

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 03:22 PM
Well, that was disappointing. :o

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 03:23 PM
:( Can someone tell me why France lost? My net has slowed right down so i didn't get to watch the stream properly...Did Richard play well at all?

Eliande
03-07-2009, 03:23 PM
They lost!:(

SUKTUEN
03-07-2009, 03:24 PM
oh no~~~~~~

Eliande
03-07-2009, 03:25 PM
That 3rd set was unfortunate. Had it been won, we would probably have seen a different outcome to this match.

tennis lover
03-07-2009, 03:26 PM
:( what a shame

garnetti
03-07-2009, 03:27 PM
how annoying my livestream carked it just as the match was finishing

what was the french team's reaction?

Puschkin
03-07-2009, 03:27 PM
:( Can someone tell me why France lost? My net has slowed right down so i didn't get to watch the stream properly...Did Richard play well at all?

The first set was excellent by the Czechs and Richard too tentative. In the second the French used their chances, Richie getting better. Unfortunately my stream went down at the end of the third, beginning forth. I felt however, that LLodra's serve became less efficient during the course of the match. The rest of the forth set was again good Czech tennis.

Schu
03-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Well, that was disappointing. :o

Yes it WAS.

I really couldn't SEE much of the match (except the second set)so could not tell how Richie played but from what I saw it looked like Richie and Llodra just really didn't have the "chemistry" that a doubles team needs. I think Richie is uncomfortable playing the deuce side of the coout that exposes his forehand so much.

Well it's a long road back... But it isn't over yet. Allez Team France. Wonder what Forget is thinking now.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 03:29 PM
Mika seemed to be having problems with his shoulder.

garnetti
03-07-2009, 03:30 PM
i hope the czech players are really tired for tomorrow's matches

simon has to be ugly stepanek

PinkFeatherBoa
03-07-2009, 03:31 PM
I didn't see enough of the match through the fuzziness/breaking down streams to draw any conclusions on Richie's play, so thanks for the summary, Puschkin.

All I ask is please don't put Richie in tomorrow against Radek.

j'adore_richie
03-07-2009, 03:31 PM
The first set was excellent by the Czechs and Richard too tentative. In the second the French used their chances, Richie getting better. Unfortunately my stream went down at the end of the third, beginning forth. I felt however, that LLodra's serve became less efficient during the course of the match. The rest of the forth set was again good Czech tennis.

Thanks for that. It'll be interesting to see what Forget does with the reverse singles. I'm betting he'll just keep Simon though. I'd like to see Richard play singles but I'd hate to see the reaction if he lost. It would be too much pressure for him, especially against that worm Stepanek.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 03:35 PM
Just don't go and read the Richie hatred in GM

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Yes it WAS.

I really couldn't SEE much of the match (except the second set)so could not tell how Richie played but from what I saw it looked like Richie and Llodra just really didn't have the "chemistry" that a doubles team needs. I think Richie is uncomfortable playing the deuce side of the coout that exposes his forehand so much.

Well it's a long road back... But it isn't over yet. Allez Team France. Wonder what Forget is thinking now.

Exactly! They didn't mesh as well as they would have to liked to. There was a time when they both reached for a shot and both let it go thinking the other one was gonna get it. :lol: It's a time like that when a little, "A moi!" would work. :angel: As the 3rd set waned on, they just got a little sloppy and the Czechs grew in confidence. After the break in the 4th set, it was a give-away. :help:

Aurelien
03-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Thanks for that. It'll be interesting to see what Forget does with the reverse singles. I'm betting he'll just keep Simon though. I'd like to see Richard play singles but I'd hate to see the reaction if he lost. It would be too much pressure for him, especially against that worm Stepanek.

Yes, keeping Simon and Tsonga is the only solution. Simon will play first, so he'll have a little less pressure. If he wins Tsonga will do the job...

Schu
03-07-2009, 03:39 PM
Thanks for that. It'll be interesting to see what Forget does with the reverse singles. I'm betting he'll just keep Simon though. I'd like to see Richard play singles but I'd hate to see the reaction if he lost. It would be too much pressure for him, especially against that worm Stepanek.

Can't imagine richie would play that one. I didn't see Simon play his first match but I can't believe he would be playing that badly to think Richie is an option. I luv ya Richie but I'm not seeing you anywhere near confident/strong enoough for this one and Simon has been a fighter, so maybe he can save it.

I just hate to see it end up as Tsonga "GOAT" being the only one who won matches.
EDIT - guess that won't happen. Forgot that Tsonga will play second so he'll only play if someone else wins.

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 03:41 PM
The only singles match Richie could play would be against Berdych.. he's Czech #2, right? I think Richie's H2H is 2-0 against him. So, would Guy choose the one with the great H2H or the one full of confidence?

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 03:46 PM
I think Tsonga and Simon will DEFINITELY playing now unless Gilles loses to Stepanek (I can't see that happening to be honest) I don't think Forget would throw Rich into a deciding rubber

lisaplenske
03-07-2009, 03:59 PM
Expected loss against a MUCH MORE experienced paire.

What the hell forget was thinking there???its doubles there, a very important match,its davis cup in foreign country,loud crowd and you decide to send an "novice double pair" who never played together in a tournament.
That was quite a suicide there cause the czech are more used about that kind of matchs.
No way richard will be send in that gap. Let the actual french nį1 prove that he deserves that place. And let see how forget will assume the loss if she has to happen.
Its too easy for the captain.He makes a choice and then if the players lose it s their fault:(:(:(
we'll see how gilles will do tomorrow.He better has to be very dynamique and solid,more agressive cause against berdych he was not.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 04:05 PM
Expected loss against a MUCH MORE experienced paire.

What the hell forget was thinking there???its doubles there, a very important match,its davis cup in foreign country,loud crowd and you decide to send an "novice double pair" who never played together in a tournament.
That was quite a suicide there cause the czech are more used about that kind of matchs.
No way richard will be send in that gap. Let the actual french nį1 prove that he deserves that place. And let see how forget will assume the loss if she has to happen.
Its too easy for the captain.He makes a choice and then if the players lose it s their fault:(:(:(
we'll see how gilles will do tomorrow.He better has to be very dynamique and solid,more agressive cause against berdych he was not.

I agree and I think while they are each good in their own right at doubs they aren't gelled together as a pair.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Good point Amira. Gilles is the French no 1 so let him prove he deserves to be there and lead his country

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 04:25 PM
Expected loss against a MUCH MORE experienced paire.

What the hell forget was thinking there???its doubles there, a very important match,its davis cup in foreign country,loud crowd and you decide to send an "novice double pair" who never played together in a tournament.
That was quite a suicide there cause the czech are more used about that kind of matchs.


You might be right but I really would like to know what was your alternate solution ?

Jo-Richie ? Come on, that's not reasonable. First, they are not an experienced team either (at least Mika is a great doubles player and is used to play with different partners). And second, nobody could forecast that Jo would win so easily against Stepa. His match yesterday could have gone 5 sets and finish at 11 pm. And in any case, considering his physical fragility, it would have jeopardize his participation on sunday when he will be much needed.
Jo-Mika ? See above.
Mika-Clťment ? That meant leaving Richard AND GaŽl outside the four. Imagine the "tollť gťnťral". Plus, I know they won Marseille but Clťment is so far from his best level these days... That would have been a huge risk, and one no sane DC captain would have taken.

You seem to forget that the captain has to envision all possibilities BEFORE the matches start.

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 04:36 PM
If Gillou can stomp the Beast, I would highly favor Jo over Berdman in a deciding rubber.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 04:41 PM
I have every confidence France will win both rubbers tomorrow

*Martolina*
03-07-2009, 04:46 PM
In my opinion, France has done wrong to choose 2 players that in theirs career they have never played together in a challenge so important and difficult. I think that tomorrow maybe Forget prefers risk in first match the Richie's card..we must hope that, if Forget choose Richie for one match, Richie will not be tired..Richie plays now the upcoming national convocation =(

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 04:56 PM
I am surprised that the French haven't been trying out some doubs combinations in tournaments this year for practice. The Spanish players play doubs together all the time.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 04:57 PM
In my opinion, France has done wrong to choose 2 players that in theirs career they have never played together in a challenge so important and difficult. I think that tomorrow maybe Forget prefers risk in first match the Richie's card..we must hope that, if Forget choose Richie for one match, Richie will not be tired..Richie plays now the upcoming national convocation =(

The only way Rich will play singles tomorrow is if Gilles loses. I don't think Forget would put Richie into a must win singles match tomorrow. A dead rubber, maybe, but DEFINITELY not a live rubber. Now, I could be totally wrong in saying that. Its just my opinion. If Forget was considering Rich for the singles I don't think he'd have put him in the doubles

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 04:58 PM
I am surprised that the French haven't been trying out some doubs combinations in tournaments this year for practice. The Spanish players play doubs together all the time.

That's very true Cloudygirl. I am sure they will in the furure.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 04:58 PM
I am surprised that the French haven't been trying out some doubs combinations in tournaments this year for practice. The Spanish players play doubs together all the time.

Yeah I remember making that point before on the Gilles forum. They used to do that with Llodra/Clťment but he wasn't picked this time so what can they do. I think Forget should encourage Richard and one of the other three boys to play a bit more together to try and get a solid doubles team. I think Rich should be the basis for the team 'cause he's the more accomplished of the four at doubles

Schu
03-07-2009, 04:58 PM
If Gillou can stomp the Beast, I would highly favor Jo over Berdman in a deciding rubber.

Moi aussi. I have confidence that Jo would beat most in a DC tie, anf if it werre in France , no question, Jo feeds off the crowd.

I'm a bit worried about Simon/Steps but I think simon can do it if he doesn't let Steps get under his skin.

Please explain the DC rules. Do they have to go by ranking? which means Richie would NOT be able to replace Simon cuz Richie is ranked below Simon and the #1 French of the line up for that day has to play Steps and Richie is #2 to simon (and well everyone esl on the team but llodra)?

Vlad1980
03-07-2009, 04:59 PM
Thanks for that. It'll be interesting to see what Forget does with the reverse singles. I'm betting he'll just keep Simon though. I'd like to see Richard play singles but I'd hate to see the reaction if he lost. It would be too much pressure for him, especially against that worm Stepanek.


No way Richard will be playing on Sunday (unless it is dead rubber).

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:00 PM
How soon before do they have for substitutions. I think if Gilles is totally not feeling it, Richie will be playing. Thats why he is there, singles reserve if it was doubs alone then I think Forget wouldn't have picked him. In theory carpet is a good surface for Rich. Hopefully Gilles is feeling the court better though.

reggie1
03-07-2009, 05:02 PM
What's happened, I've only just got in, did they win?

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:02 PM
That's an interesting question actually Schu because Jo can't go in as French No 1 tomorrow 'cause he's already played Stepanek. It does go by ranking though yeah. On day 1 the No 1 plays the no 2 (so Berdych as Czech no 2 played Simon as French No 1 for e.g.) and then on day 2 the top ranked players of both countries play each other so because Jo has already played Stepanek Simon can't be replaced by Richard because the only one who could play as no 1 would be Jo but as he's already played they can't replace Simon ... I think anyway

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:03 PM
They have up to an hour before the tie starts tomorrow to change the team Tori but Schu raised a good point. Gillou can't be substituted because Jo can't go as No 1 against Stepanek

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:04 PM
No Vicky they lost in 4 sets :(

Schu
03-07-2009, 05:07 PM
How soon before do they have for substitutions. I think if Gilles is totally not feeling it, Richie will be playing. Thats why he is there, singles reserve if it was doubs alone then I think Forget wouldn't have picked him. In theory carpet is a good surface for Rich. Hopefully Gilles is feeling the court better though.

Don't they have up to one hour before?

If if I understand the rules correctly richie could only replace Tsonga??? Adn well THAT's not ever gonna happen.

I'm bummed they lost the doubles first cuz it makes things much harder for France and second cuz I don't think this match was the confidence builder I hoped it would be for Richie - he;s the scapegoat yet again in Dc if they end up loosing...

reggie1
03-07-2009, 05:10 PM
Oh, I've just been having a quick read through the pages Eimear, blimey DC is a minefield, all the possible combinations and rules! This is the first time I've really followed it. So if France win another match tomorrow, then there will have to be a deciding "rubber" is it? Why is it called a rubber? I'm full of questions today. I really thought they'd win. I did wonder though if Richie and Mika would gel after what Marion said about them clashing over DC last year when Richie's Dad got involved. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 05:11 PM
Until 10 or 15 years ago the two single players HAD to play on sunday unless there was an injury. Now the captain can change. If Forget wants to do Richie-Steps he can (he won't).

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:13 PM
A Captain may change the nomination of the singles players for the third and fourth singles matches on the following conditions:
Notice of such change to the third singles match is given to the
Referee at least one hour before the scheduled start of play of the third
singles match.
Notice of change with respect to the fourth singles match is given no
later than 10 minutes after completion of the third singles match. If,
between the change of nomination deadline and start of play in the
third or fourth singles match, one of the players, in the opinion of the
Referee, is ill or injured, the Referee may sanction the substitution of
that player by another player nominated for the Tie.

Any substitute nominated under section (ii) above for the third or
fourth singles match must be selected from among the players
nominated for the Tie and who has not competed in the first or second
singles matches.


from the DC rules. So yeah they can. I don't think they will though

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:14 PM
I don't know why they're called rubbers Vicky to be honest but all I know is a DC match consists of 5 matches (4 singles and one doubles) and a team has to win 3 out of 5 rubbers to win the tie. At the moment the Czech Republic are 2-1 up so if Gilles were to win tomorrow in the first match the tie would be 2-2 so it would come down to whoever won the fifth rubber ... I hope that helps clear that up for you anyway

~*BGT*~
03-07-2009, 05:15 PM
Don't they have up to one hour before?

If if I understand the rules correctly richie could only replace Tsonga??? Adn well THAT's not ever gonna happen.

I'm bummed they lost the doubles first cuz it makes things much harder for France and second cuz I don't think this match was the confidence builder I hoped it would be for Richie - he;s the scapegoat yet again in Dc if they end up loosing...

I'm not sure. Because I remember Richard saying that if they needed him for the 5th live rubber last year against the US, he'd play. But it would him against #2 Blake, but technically, according to rankings, he was the #1 Frenchman but that would not be reverse singles (#1 vs #1, #2 vs #2). But it would be allowed because in the tie, Mathieu was made the #1 Frenchman (he played James on day one). :scratch:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:16 PM
Thanks for that Tori. I still don't think he will either even though it now appears he technically can

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:18 PM
It is incredibly complex with a lot of possibilities and we won't know until tomorrow but I really can't see Forget changing now unless either player says they don't think they could win (and I could never EVER imagine Gilles, or Jo for that matter, saying that!)

Schu
03-07-2009, 05:18 PM
Until 10 or 15 years ago the two single players HAD to play on sunday unless there was an injury. Now the captain can change. If Forget wants to do Richie-Steps he can (he won't).

I don't think richie-Steps is an option according to DC rules, cuz Richie can't replace Simon. but it doesn't matter - forget won't replace either for Richie on the last day, unless they can't walk.

Which rasies another question for DC rules. What would happen If Simon was really injured and coouldn't play? could richie replace him then since Tsonga already played Steps???

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:19 PM
To be honest I feel sorry for Rich. If they lose it'll be his fault and if the win they'll have won in spite of having him in the team. He just can't win either way the poor guy

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:21 PM
I'm sure there'd have to be allowances made in that situation ... maybe Gael as the reserve could come in as French no 1 (which he would be) and play steps. I think the rules allow that in the case of illness/injury but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:21 PM
I don't think richie-Steps is an option according to DC rules, cuz Richie can't replace Simon. but it doesn't matter - forget won't replace either for Richie on the last day, unless they can't walk.

Which rasies another question for DC rules. What would happen If Simon was really injured and coouldn't play? could richie replace him then since Tsonga already played Steps???

he can replace him in any event I copied and pasted the rules above. Got curious so looked them up. The rules for the first two rubbers are ranking set but the other two rubbers can be substituted. I don't think Rich will get that much flack for losing the doubs eimear. The commentary I listened to apart from in set 1 was a lot more complimentary of Rich than it was of Mika. I think if they lose and it's because Gilles loses both his his matches, he will cop a lot of flack. But he is more likely to tell em to piss off though.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:22 PM
I'm sure there'd have to be allowances made in that situation ... maybe Gael as the reserve could come in as French no 1 (which he would be) and play steps. I think the rules allow that in the case of illness/injury but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

Gael can't play he is not in the nominated 4.

lisaplenske
03-07-2009, 05:25 PM
You might be right but I really would like to know what was your alternate solution ?

Jo-Richie ? Come on, that's not reasonable. First, they are not an experienced team either (at least Mika is a great doubles player and is used to play with different partners). And second, nobody could forecast that Jo would win so easily against Stepa. His match yesterday could have gone 5 sets and finish at 11 pm. And in any case, considering his physical fragility, it would have jeopardize his participation on sunday when he is much needed.
Mika-Clément? That meant leaving Richard AND Gaël outside the four. What happens if Gilles or Jo is injured on Friday ? That was a huge risk, and one no sane DC captain would have taken.

You seem to forget that the captain has to envision all possibilities BEFORE the matches start.



I think forget made a big poker hit there and he's used of that .But I think he tought simon would win that first match,tsonga too so even if the doubles failed they would be 2-1 today.
I think he should have take clement for this tie cause its france big strengh.Llodra/Clement won GS and big tournaments together.
And if he thought about richard and micka as the futur DC doub,why hasnt he ask the players to play together before that tie??
you just cant set a new paire like that.Its another pathetique choice from forget.
Simon will have no choicetomorrow, THE WIN and nothing else.Tough to handle.

Schu
03-07-2009, 05:28 PM
To be honest I feel sorry for Rich. If they lose it'll be his fault and if the win they'll have won in spite of having him in the team. He just can't win either way the poor guy

That's the way it will play out but Actually Simon LOST on day one too.

No matter, Richie will get the heat for loosing the doubles match but I don't think he was any worse than llodra although I didn't see the first set and actually didn't see much of the 4th cuz of the bad stream/connection so guess I really don't know what I'm talking about... Bottom line a few practices together don't make a doubles TEAM.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:28 PM
Oh yeah Gilles would tell them to fuck off and get a life whereas if Richard was to cop the flack it would add to the self-doubt in his mind. I wish richie could look at Jo, Gael and Gilles (Jo and Gilles in particular) and learn from them how to cope with the media, how to put it behind you on court because, in my opinion, that's the only thing lacking in his game right now

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:30 PM
Yeah I am aware that Simon lost Schu. My point was that Richard isn't a darling with the French media so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to pin it on him whatever happens. It wasn't a criticism of Rich or I wasn't neglecting the fact Simon lost I was merely criticising the French media and sympathising with Rich

reggie1
03-07-2009, 05:35 PM
I don't know why they're called rubbers Vicky to be honest but all I know is a DC match consists of 5 matches (4 singles and one doubles) and a team has to win 3 out of 5 rubbers to win the tie. At the moment the Czech Republic are 2-1 up so if Gilles were to win tomorrow in the first match the tie would be 2-2 so it would come down to whoever won the fifth rubber ... I hope that helps clear that up for you anywayOh thanks Eimear, thanks Scu too for earlier. I've learnt a lot in the last 10 minutes. :o I don't think Richard should get any grief over this, it sounds as though Mika was the one who was struggling in this match and I think it will be Gilles (if he loses tomorrow, god forbid) who will be the scapegoat this time from the sounds of things.:sad:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:37 PM
Lets hope not Vicky although, as we were saying, Gilles would deal with it better than Richard I think. I was watching the doubles match on and off and I don't think Richard played particularly badly so if he does get any slack it'll be totally unjustified

reggie1
03-07-2009, 05:39 PM
Yeah I am aware that Simon lost Schu. My point was that Richard isn't a darling with the French media so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to pin it on him whatever happens. It wasn't a criticism of Rich or I wasn't neglecting the fact Simon lost I was merely criticising the French media and sympathising with RichI sincerely hope they don't but you just can never tell. It would be really unfair of them to pin it on him, they should just leave him alone over this DC. He hasn't been the main man this time (thankfully) although I do worry for Gilles.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:41 PM
I think Forget will cop it and Gilles will prob get it too. As I said the commentary I listened too wasnt too bad about Rich at all. They could still have changed the doubs line up after yesterday and I think they should have poss switched to Jo but hindsight as they say is a wonderful thing.

I think the difference is Gilles can take it and so can Jo. They won't lose too much sleep over it.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:41 PM
Gilles will be okay if he beats Stepanek tomorrow and France go on to win the tie. His loss to Berdych will be all but forgotten about. Either way I don't think he'd let it get to them. He doesn't care what the media think in my opinion. He just wants to do it on the court and not worry about anything else. He's incredibly laid back from what people have said about him. I think we're being a little alarmist here anyway. The tie hasn't been lost yet so we shouldn't be looking for scapegoats really just yet and neither should the media. We should concentrate on backing whoever is playing singles tomorrow to the last

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:42 PM
I don't know if Jo would have done a better job and I can understand Forget's thinking in keeping him fresh for tomorrow because he more than likely will end up playing the deciding rubber and you don't want him any way tired

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 05:44 PM
Jo and Rich have won a doubs title together, they can play together. Mikas shoulder was obvioulsy giving him problems or so it seemed. If that developed in the match fine but if they were having probs in practice then it was daft. He had a really short match against Steps so he can't be that tired.

Anyway hopefully Gilles will blast Steps 7-6 (just to get him warmed up) 6-0 6-0 tomorrow.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 05:47 PM
Ah okay Tori. I didn't realise that Jo and Richard had won a doubles title together. I'm learning something new everyday on here I really am. In that case, if Mika's shoulder was bothering him before the match, it does seem strange they didn't put Jo in

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Its another pathetique choice from forget.

I find it a bit harsh and quite unfair. I know Forget is not popular around here. Everybody seems to have forgotten he brought us 3 Davis Cup (2 as a player, 1 as a captain, plus 2 finals and 1 Fed Cup). Doesn't the man deserve some sort of respect if no trust ?

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 06:14 PM
I find it a bit harsh and quite unfair. I know Forget is not popular around here. Everybody seems to have forgotten he brought us 3 Davis Cup (2 as a player, 1 as a captain, plus 2 finals and 1 Fed Cup). Doesn't the man deserve some sort of respect if no trust ?

It probably is a bit unfair and hopefully all criticisms will be forgotten tomorrow because they will win but I can understand the feeling that if you can't win with such a depth of players when can you win. It's easy to blame Forget I guess.

Tsonga if he wasn't injured most of the time would already be a top 5 player. Gilles and Gael are also in the top 10 and Richie has been there. France also has Clement and Llodra who have won a slam together.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 06:22 PM
In some ways its unfair to blame Forget because all he does is picks the players, its then up to the players to go out and perform. However is is this exact point which makes it easy to blame Forget. He picks the players. So if he is seen to pick players that are out of form or pick a doubles combination that doesn't work then the buck, seemingly, must stop with him. I agree with you though, Tori, hopefully France will win tomorrow and all thoughts of criticism and blame (from us as well as the media) will stop

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 06:26 PM
Tsonga if he wasn't injured most of the time would already be a top 5 player. Gilles and Gael are also in the top 10 and Richie has been there. France also has Clement and Llodra who have won a slam together.

Don't forget Santoro who has won a couple of GS and a Masters in doubles too !
He might be DC Captain one day...
We are really fortunate to have so many talented players all with very different styles of tennis and interesting personalities. And Jťrťmy Chardy is coming up now !
Great bunch. If we don't grab the Davis Cup this year I hope we will soon.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 06:29 PM
The future is incredibly bright for French tennis it really is. You guys should be very hopeful. You've got four potential slam winners, the olderst of which is 24 (Gilles) so they're going to be around for a while yet and Chardy is looking good. We've got Andy Murray and ... well ... Andy Murray :lol: (I say we classing myself as British but you know what I mean. Ireland don't feature in the Davis Cup so Britain is my adopted country for DC) I'd LOVE to see Santoro as DC Captain Xavier. I think he'd be great and just what France needs. A personality. Forget doesn't seem to have the best personality imo.

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 06:39 PM
You're misjudging Forget from what you read here and there Eimear. He is actually a really good guy and noone is more dedicated to DC than him. And be sure that the minute the players will get sick of him, he will be off. The problem is also that right now nobody can't see anyone to do his job better.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Don't forget Santoro who has won a couple of GS and a Masters in doubles too !
He might be DC Captain one day...
We are really fortunate to have so many talented players all with very different styles of tennis and interesting personalities. And Jérémy Chardy is coming up now !
Great bunch. If we don't grab the Davis Cup this year I hope we will soon.

Don't get me started on this you have 13 singles players in the top 100 and I think about 6 doubs too and some are so talented like Santoro and I think Mathieu is also brilliant although he doens't have the results that he should.

I think Spain has 16 or 17 and about the same amount of doubs players. It shows so much depth when like Monfils doens't make it on to your final squad and Almagro doesn't make it onto a clay side for Spain.

By contrast Andy Murray is a one man squad. We have 1 singles player and 2 doubs players in the top 100 :(

France should certainly win a Davis cup if not this year then soon. I also think realistically even with Nadal around you should have a french slam winner soon.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 06:43 PM
I'm basing my opinion of him on the fact that he has said things about his players in the press that shouldn't have been said in the press. In my opinion that's bad management. If you want to have a go at your players you do it in private and not in the press. I form my opinion of people on a lot of things and not just hearsay. I'm sure Forget is a good captain and he has a fantastic DC record and that speaks for itself really. I just think what he's lacking as a captain is motivating his team and when he gets that right he'll get the most out of the team and they'll be virtually unbeatable

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 06:44 PM
What has he said specifically?

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 06:45 PM
I can't be sure exactly but hasn't he criticised Gilles and Richard in the past in the media? I could be totally wrong and if I am I apologise but I was sure I'd heard he'd said something about Richard at least because I remember commenting on it at the time and saying that stuff like that shouldn't be said in the press???

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 06:49 PM
I know the French tennis federation president said things following the USA matches but I do think some of that may have been a little justified.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 06:51 PM
So it wasn't Forget himself then? Ah okay, fair enough, I apologise. I don't claim to be an expert on French tennis. I've only been into it for a few months now so you'll have to forgive me if I say the odd stupid thing because I'm not fully aware of the history between various people etc etc so I might pick things up wrong now and then

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 06:57 PM
I dont know Forget may have done too but I know the French tennis federation president said something to the effect that he wasn't committed to win. I remember reading that.

Obviously I haven't seen much of the french press.

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 07:04 PM
Well, there has been some bad blood (then again how to be sure of what really was said when you read it in the press indirectly told ?) and although things seemed to have been smoothed out on Richie's part long time ago some of his fans haven't forgotten nor forgiven. Let's not go on on Forget here because I am afraid it will become inflammatory very soon :). There is a thread about him to discuss all that. I just wanted to react about the "another pathetic choice".

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Lets just hope they pull it off tomorrow. I think Gilles will put up a good fight and Tsonga is well Tsonga so they stand a chance.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 07:11 PM
Yeah I truly believe they stand a great chance tomorrow. If anyone can do it Gilles and Jo can so lets get behind them :yeah:

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 07:12 PM
I dont know Forget may have done too but I know the French tennis federation president said something to the effect that he wasn't committed to win. I remember reading that.

That's true the former President of the FFT hated him. But he never could get rid of him because the players wanted him to stay.

lisaplenske
03-07-2009, 07:27 PM
I find it a bit harsh and quite unfair. I know Forget is not popular around here. Everybody seems to have forgotten he brought us 3 Davis Cup (2 as a player, 1 as a captain, plus 2 finals and 1 Fed Cup). Doesn't the man deserve some sort of respect if no trust ?

its not unfair but realistic.Im telling the truth point pointing the lack of good choices of forget.
Can you tell me what happened in 2002 finale??probably the turning point in paul henri mathieu career.I dont forget that.
Last year at Winstom salem and all the things being said,the forget bashing over gasquet who was nį1 in that team.I dont forget it.
This year he has perhaps with spain the best team ever to play a davis cup tie and you would want me to believe that his choice by sending a newdouble paire inexperienced team was a very sensible choice???
and then just after after the loss he reveals to the medias that there s no secret, this paire needs to play together in tournaments to play good and find automatisms.OK BUT WHY DOESNT HE ASK THEM BEFORE TO PLAY TOGETHER IN PREVIOUS TOURNAMENT??its just as cynical and simple as that.Its not about not respecting him or what,its about analysing his results with the french team those 4-5 years.
The result will be obvious: 00 win for France.Not a single semi finale. I mean the guy will be football coach he would be fired for a long time ago!!
fabrice santoro could be the key,the one would be able to make the right choices and make the team work perfectly.

And no.Even if tomorrow simon beat stepaneck and tsonga managed to qualify the team for next round,I would still have the same opinion about forget ability to be the captain.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 07:31 PM
well surely the players can use their intelligence on that one. The Spanish play doubs together pretty much all year. Nadal Robredo, lopez verdasco etc. If the French players know that they are likely to be playing cup ties where they might play doubs then surely they would think well I might decide to do some doubs practice at the more minor tournaments.

I do think match experience is a key though. I know that there are injury reasons etc but you would think that Simon and Monfils would have had a DC outing before now.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 07:39 PM
That's where the captain comes into play I guess. Another captain might have chosen Gilles a LOT sooner to play Davis Cup and Gael too. As far as I know though, Forget has said to Thierry that he thinks Gilles should play more doubles this year. I think Gilles does play a bit he just doesn't play with the Frenchies which he needs to because it'd be useful for France to have another option

BaleoutRichie
03-07-2009, 07:48 PM
Well....get a good rest...get over this bad lost.

.and Good luck in Indian Wells RCHIE!(starts monday!.that's more important!..)

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 07:58 PM
If they play Gilles in doubs they are desperate imo. I've only seen him play twice (that was live) because doubs is so badly covered on tv these days oh and Hopman cup mixed and he was definitely the weakest link on court by miles. He has played 3? doubs tournaments this year with various partners and not got past the second round in any of them and last year I think he only had about 3 doubs wins (matches won not titles obviously) and he played at about 10 events I think.

He looks very pretty playing with Gael but they aren't the best.

If they are going to keep the team to the youngsters then they are going to struggle for a second doubs player because Jo can play but he is a lock for the singles. But then plenty of teams do have players that play singles and doubs. I think he played Miami last year with Richie I wish he would do that again.

xhr75019
03-07-2009, 07:58 PM
Everyone is entitled to his opinion lisaplenske. You express yours with a bit too much passion and virulence for my taste, to the point I don't think a discussion would be fruitful. So allow me not to answer your arguments :). Have a good evening !

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 08:12 PM
Yup Tori, I've seen Gilles play doubles mainly in the Hopman Cup. His doubles game is absolutely atrocious so I would be worried if France had to resort to using him as a doubles player. You make a good point about them maybe needing a second doubles player but the problem is who do you drop out of Gael, Jo, Gilles and Richard to make way? In some ways, I think Forget is happy to be a bit experimental with the doubles because he knows he has a better chance of winning 3 singles rubbers. I could be TOTALLY wrong but its just an opinion I have that the French players are strong enough in the singles that they can try out different combinations with the doubles and if they lose it won't be disastrous. I could have egg on my face tomorrow though :lol:

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 08:38 PM
maybe pick them based on the surface but again its so difficult there is so much depth. The only one I am unsure about is Tsonga on clay but he is probably great I have just never seen him play on it because he is always injured.

Schu
03-07-2009, 08:50 PM
Yeah I am aware that Simon lost Schu. My point was that Richard isn't a darling with the French media so it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to pin it on him whatever happens. It wasn't a criticism of Rich or I wasn't neglecting the fact Simon lost I was merely criticising the French media and sympathising with Rich

Got your point and actually was completelt agreeing with you.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 08:54 PM
maybe pick them based on the surface but again its so difficult there is so much depth. The only one I am unsure about is Tsonga on clay but he is probably great I have just never seen him play on it because he is always injured.

Seeing as I've only been following the Frenchies the last few months I've only seen them on hard courts (well I've seen Richard on grass a bit too) but I'm looking forward to the clay season 'cause I've never seen any of them on clay. It'll be interesting to see who's the best on clay. That's an interesting point you raise about picking them for the surface or you could do what Spain do and if you're at home pick the best surface for your no 1 player

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 09:09 PM
Difficult to define what that is. Monfils it is probably clay - he did semis RG last year, Tsonga its prob hard as with Gilles (although in 2007 I noticed him although I didn't like him much then and his best results were prob clay) and probably Richie grass. But apart from Tsonga on clay cos I have no clue about that, they are good really on all surfaces. Richie doesn't think he can play on clay (imo anyway) and he will be pushed over a 5 setter because of physical conditioning but he has the range of shots for it. He has reached a MS final on clay.

I would prob put Gilles as worst on super fast surfaces as he struggles with breaks of serve and his serve is only little.

Gael hasn't done much on grass but he must be good on it because he won junior wimbledon.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 09:28 PM
Oh I bet Tsonga and Simon are hard :haha: Sorry I couldn't resist! Seriously though, I reckon Gael is the most versatile of the three of them. He won Grand Slams on 3 surfaces. Actually, the only one he didn't win was the US and didn't Andy win that one that same year? I just think Gael and Jo's games are definitely the most suited to all surfaces. Gilles, I've only seen him play on hard and fast hard and never on clay or grass but I just don't see his game being suited to grass at all. Richard is the classic grass court player when he plays the game well in my opinion

Puschkin
03-07-2009, 09:43 PM
its not unfair but realistic.Im telling the truth point pointing the lack of good choices of forget.

You know very well that I am not a Forget lover either. But I don't think that he has the power or authority to force players to play doubles together. If he did something wrong, than it was not picking Jo for the doubles. Jo played a short match yesterday, he can't be that tired, and I feel that the chemistry between Jo and Richard would have been better. Besides, Richard could have played on the left side, which is obviously the better position in doubles for him. But it is easy with hindsight. And the Czechs were good, one has to admit it.

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Richie is the most versatile but when he is good he is very very good and when he is bad he is horrid as the saying goes.

Interesting Gasquet fact is that he has won titles on the senior tour on carpet, hard, clay and grass. So he is very very versatile he just doesn't realise it. And when he is confident in his serve and backhand he will start hitting winners with his forehand it ceases to be a liability. If he could remember how to win he would be seriously dangeous.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:11 PM
I'm learning a lot from you today Tori :) I just see Rich as a grass player because before I got Sky I used to just watch Queens and Wimbledon so I mostly only saw Rich as a grass player and he was damn good on the surface so I just assumed it was his best surface. Yeah I wish he'd get that confidence back but sometimes the mental hurdles are the hardest hurdles to get over

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 10:24 PM
He likes grass the best prob cos its his best slam result and he feels confident on it. I still think he could be very good on clay though but to do thaht he will actually have to show up at Rolland Garros and be seeded so he doesn't pull Rafa first round.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:29 PM
What is it with French players and Roland Garros? They just seem to freeze. Its crazy. Well Gael is the exeption I think

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 10:37 PM
Rich needs to start going to French tournaments. Sorry still bitter I went to Bercy and he pulled out.

I will be interested to see what the French players do there this year.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:38 PM
I have that argument the whole time. He's got to start playing in France or he'll NEVER do it. In RG you mean? I don't know. I haven't really noticed them in RG. This will be my first RG really cheering the Frenchies on. I hope they do well

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Yup it could go either way really. I would expect Tsonga to do something big I would like Monfils to but we shall see. If he doesn't his ranking will go down quite a lot.

My aim for Richie is just for him to turn up. Is that bad.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:52 PM
yeah he has big points to defend. no that's not bad LOL I think you're right actually. There's no point in being unrealistic about things

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 10:55 PM
Mind you if Richie doesn't turn up to a few French tournaments this year he will get a 0 points hit so he will have to at least show.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 10:57 PM
How does that work exactly Tori

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:02 PM
actually he might be ok looking at the ATP rules you only get point penalties for atp 500 events. I could be wrong though these new rules confuse the heck out of me.

Keijan
03-07-2009, 11:05 PM
What is it with French players and Roland Garros? They just seem to freeze. Its crazy. Well Gael is the exeption I think

Well actually I think the answer is quite simple : incredibly there is very few clay practice courts in France (in Spain, a good 75% are clay, but here, 80% are hard.) I've been playing tennis for the last 15 years (and 7 years intensively) and I only played a few times on clay (which is major fun by the way, so funny to slide around lol. But the ball is a bitch on it.) Plus all the big French juniors tournaments are hard or indoors. So the Frenchies basically grew up on hard (and indoors during the cold season) and trained on clay only when Roland was around the corner. Clay isn't natural for them, unlike the Spanish. And of course, there is that story of breaking down in front of a french crowd.

There is the exception of Jo who grew up on clay from his own words. But he was always injured when RG came and the only time he played it, he was still a teenager and drew Roddick in the first round. (I know, Roddick + clay = :o but still !) I've never seen him play on clay. I can't wait :devil: And of course, GaŽl is a natural slider so it suits him perfectly. Probably too soon to hope for a GaŽl/Jo final and I wouldn't want to jinx them, but :devil:

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:11 PM
Well actually I think the answer is quite simple : incredibly there is very few clay practice courts in France (in Spain, a good 75% are clay, but here, 80% are hard.) I've been playing tennis for the last 15 years (and 7 years intensively) and I only played a few times on clay (which is major fun by the way, so funny to slide around lol. But the ball is a bitch on it.) Plus all the big French juniors tournaments are hard or indoors. So the Frenchies basically grew up on hard (and indoors during the cold season) and trained on clay only when Roland was around the corner. Clay isn't natural for them, unlike the Spanish. And of course, there is that story of breaking down in front of a french crowd.

There is the exception of Jo who grew up on clay from his own words. But he was always injured when RG came and the only time he played it, he was still a teenager and drew Roddick in the first round. (I know, Roddick + clay = :o but still !) I've never seen him play on clay. I can't wait :devil: And of course, GaŽl is a natural slider so it suits him perfectly. Probably too soon to hope for a GaŽl/Jo final and I wouldn't want to jinx them, but :devil:

So Jo is supposed to be good on clay then? Thats very interesting. Beating Nadal good? Or at least taking him to 5 sets? I love Rafa but I would like him to have a challenge on clay every now aand again.

Why are there so few clay courts in france then when you have the only clay slam?

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:11 PM
Hey Marion thanks for that info. I didn't realise that. That's actually shocking seeing as their Grand Slam is a clay grand slam. You'd imagine they'd have a lot of clay courts!!! That's surprising me but it would explain why the Frenchies are so bad there if they don't practise on clay a lot. Have you got that video ready btw? I can't wait for it :lol: Tori, I try not to think about the rules too much and just enjoy watching the matches :lol:

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:18 PM
The new rules are stupid though they make it harder for players to climb the rankings and the penalties are stupid. Nadal took a 0 for Dubai (which means he has to take 0 points for one of his 500 point countable results even if he does another 4 better he will have to have one of them as a 0) but Federer for some reason was fine to withdraw and didn't get the penalty.

A player's withdrawal from an ATP World Tour 500 event whether on time or of after
the 12 noon deadline, shall result in a zero (0) point included as one of his best of four
(4) results. Further non-consecutive withdrawals shall result in a zero (0) point allocation
replacing the next best positive result for each additional withdrawal. Players with
multiple consecutive withdrawals who are out of competition for 30 days or longer due
to injury will not be subject to a ranking penalty as long as verified and approved medical
forms are provided; or, a player shall not have the ranking penalty imposed if he
completes the Promotional Activities requirement as specified under "Repeal of
Withdrawal Fines and/or Penalties"

so if you are injured you have to be out for more than 30 days not to cop the penalty. grrr.

Keijan
03-07-2009, 11:23 PM
Tori :bigwave: well I'm waiting to see Jo play before saying he should be good, but he got sometimes a little angry at journalists who told him he didn't have the game to succeed on clay "how can you know, you never saw me play ? I grew up on clay, I was good as a junior. If I lose four times in four years first round in RG, then you can say "he doesn't have the game to be good on clay", but not before."
I'm waiting, but expecting big things from him :drool: maybe not immediatly against Nadal, but why not in a close future :lol:


I don't know why there is so few clay courts in France, I suppose it's partly because of the climate : you can only play half the year (if you're lucky) outside in France, otherwise it's too cold or rainy unlike Spain. So it would be too expensive to have a lot of clay courts that can only be used half the year I guess.

I'm working on the stupid video, but the file is enormous :fiery: it's been trying to upload itself on youtube for the last 20 minutes and still nothing. I'm going to try to convert it. Sorry !

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:24 PM
To be honest its still really confusing :lol: You have to be out for a month to not get penalised basically? So Murray took 0 for Dubai and Marseille and if he withdraws from IW/Miami that'll be 0 for each of those too? Jesus he'll be flying down the rankings in no time

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:25 PM
Well I suppose we have a grass slam and even in June and July it rains so we can't talk.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:25 PM
That's okay Marion. I'm sure it'll be worth the wait :) I'll be heading to bed shortly so at least I'll have something to look forward to tomorrow if I don't get it before I go to bed :lol:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:26 PM
That's true actually Tori :lol: I feel sorry for the players on the outside courts this year though 'cause the players on Centre have a HUGE advantage

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:31 PM
To be honest its still really confusing :lol: You have to be out for a month to not get penalised basically? So Murray took 0 for Dubai and Marseille and if he withdraws from IW/Miami that'll be 0 for each of those too? Jesus he'll be flying down the rankings in no time)

nope Andy got 90 points cos he did quarters. If you play before you withdraw you take the points to the level you played to.

Marseille is a 250 event and so you don't get a penalty. He would get 00 for Indian Wells or Miami if he doesn't play though.

Cos he is top 30 his points are made up of the slams. The 1000 series (masters) then 4 500 events but if you pick up a 0 penalty you can't drop it and you have to play a 500 after the USO or you take a hit for that too then your best 2 250 events (like I think he has St Petersburg counting as one of those at the moment)

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:36 PM
So as the year goes on someone like say Del P who isn't that great in the MS events to date will take a big ranking hit because at the moment he has 7 other events counting towards his ranking and as the yeara goes on they will have to come off.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:37 PM
Still a LITTLE confusing :lol: But thanks for attempting to explain it to me anyhow. You're a sweetheart :hug: I'll try reading it again when I'm less tired and I'll probably be able to process it better :lol: Anyhow I'm going to go to bed now. Early for me I know but late night last night and no nap today means I am EXHAUSTED right now! My whole body hurts :lol: Night guys :wavey:

Eimear O'Mahony
03-07-2009, 11:38 PM
So as the year goes on someone like say Del P who isn't that great in the MS events to date will take a big ranking hit because at the moment he has 7 other events counting towards his ranking and as the yeara goes on they will have to come off.

Sorry but I'm still VERY confused here ... I'm being really slow tonight. Sorry :o

Cloudygirl
03-07-2009, 11:52 PM
So basically you have got two systems running at the same time at the moment. They have just doubled all last years points but as the year goes on the new system is coming in.

So under the new system if you are in the top 30 your ranking total consists of (or will consist of by the end of the year):-
The grandslams - so up to 2000 points for each slam available here
the MS events or 1000 series of which there are 8 mandatory ones (monte carlo is now an optional)
4 x 500 point events one of which must be played after the USO.
2x best results from 250pt events. So basically you can't get away with having a good ranking by playing loads of thelittle tournaments that none of the top 10 go to.


So as the new system comes in the old points are being dropped off. So at the moment Del Potro has 7 tournaments in his ranking total listed as other countable tournaments (these are tournaments below 500 level but still counting in his ranking) but by the end of the year he will only be able to count 2. So it doesn't matter if he plays 10 250 level tournaments he will only be able to count the best 2 in his ranking total. As the year goes on they will drop off his total. As soon as he plays a 500 point tournament that will replace the result of one of those other countable tournaments even if he loses first round and so it is worth less points.

Thats my understanding anyway.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 10:50 AM
Thanks Tori. I have a BIT of a better understanding of it now. I can see what you're saying. I was just a little confused about the two systems working side by side but I guess that's where everybody is getting confused? Why can't they just do away with the old system altogether? Or is because of the ranking points people already have they need to bring in the new system gradually?

Cloudygirl
03-08-2009, 10:56 AM
because of the ranking points that people already have this year.
I think it def makes the job harder for people coming back up the rankings.

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 11:03 AM
Yeah it does but hopefully once the old system is gone completely the new system will be fairer because I pretty much understand it ... Is this it in a nutshell? You play all the slams, all the 1,000s (bar Monte Carlo if you don't want), 4 of the 500s events (with one being played after the US Open) and you can play as many of the 250s as you want but only your 2 best results will count? That seems to me like a system that will work once the confusion of where the old system comes into it is gone

garnetti
03-08-2009, 12:37 PM
how much longer til the reverse singles rubbers start?

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 12:41 PM
Erm ... just over an hour I think. It starts at 1 here as far as I know so that's one hour and 20 mins

xhr75019
03-08-2009, 12:48 PM
Nope, it starts in 15 minutes ! Vas-y Gilou !

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 12:51 PM
Ah so I was thinking of CET when it was one then ... Brilliant even better. I can't wait. Any live-stream links???

garnetti
03-08-2009, 01:46 PM
the justin tv serbia link was working but now it's just died

SUKTUEN
03-08-2009, 04:26 PM
Oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

BaleoutRichie
03-08-2009, 05:29 PM
Damn Stepanek so good this year

so who's fault is it for losing to the Czechs? Gilles'?

Cloudygirl
03-08-2009, 05:48 PM
Damn Stepanek so good this year

so who's fault is it for losing to the Czechs? Gilles'?

I think they all share the blame

Schu
03-08-2009, 07:07 PM
Damn Stepanek so good this year

so who's fault is it for losing to the Czechs? Gilles'?

No one is at FAULT - France played a good, experienced Czech team and that's just the way it goes - "c'est la vie".

The 4 musketeers have a long time together...

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 07:11 PM
It most certainly is NOT Gilles' fault. DC is a team competition so they take the credit together and they take the blame together. No individual should be singled out. I know I'm probably being a bit over-protective of Gilles but I'd be the same no matter who was blamed. In a team game its WRONG to focus on an individual. You're right Schu. They played a very experienced team. This is the best French team I've seen for a long time. Give them time to get experience and they'll be a very different prospect

PinkFeatherBoa
03-08-2009, 07:26 PM
I'll blame the Czechs. Just too damn good. ;)

reggie1
03-08-2009, 08:36 PM
I think the French team are just still very young and need time to grow and as Eimear says, next year should be a very different prospect, they will be stronger. The rest of their commitments though do not lend themselves well to the demands of DC imho, eg getting a good doubles team together with lots of practice and experience for DC impacts on Jo's and Richie's singles in Grandslams and other tournies. It all places demands on them when they are probably already very stretched.

Such a shame for France and for us as Gasquetaires. I know some people don't like DC but I actually found it quite exciting to follow. I'm not quite so interested now the Frenchies are out.:sad:

lisaplenske
03-08-2009, 08:43 PM
I knew it yesterday, that's why I was very annoyed by forget choices for this tie.
He has to get fired from this team.Seriously and that another loss confirms it.
He's not the man that will lead France to the victory?Even if he had the nį1 and nį2 of the world in the team he would find a way to make them lose. That's pathetic and I confirm it today.
It gets me furious cause we have the players to pass that tie against the czechs.
The doubles made us lose that tie imo.That was insane to set a inedit duet in such a crucial match.
You can whatever you want but that is just crazy even if the czechs were good during all that week end.
If we have won that point we would have lead 2-1 on sunday.Then tsonga would win his match and france wins it 3-2 .
Pff cant stand forget.
As for richard,his level of play showed recently and especially for doubs,I dont think he would have won that match with extra pressure and you all know how big punition he would have from the french medias so no. He doesnt believe in himself and only God knows why hes acting like that.
For me the only garantee in the french team and the real nį1 is tsonga among the french players.
They dont have the same strong mental such as him,I regret it but thats the truth.
OMG please may forget get ousted from that role.
He makes me:fiery::fiery::fiery:

Cloudygirl
03-08-2009, 08:44 PM
I am cos the Spanish are still in. Can't beat a bit of Rafa on clay and their next tie will be a home tie again too.

reggie1
03-08-2009, 09:32 PM
Oh Amira, I wish I could come to France and give you a hug, I have never seen you so cross :hug::hug::hug:

richie21
03-08-2009, 10:34 PM
Don't get me started on this you have 13 singles players in the top 100 and I think about 6 doubs too and some are so talented like Santoro and I think Mathieu is also brilliant although he doens't have the results that he should.

I think Spain has 16 or 17 and about the same amount of doubs players. It shows so much depth when like Monfils doens't make it on to your final squad and Almagro doesn't make it onto a clay side for Spain.

By contrast Andy Murray is a one man squad. We have 1 singles player and 2 doubs players in the top 100 :(

France should certainly win a Davis cup if not this year then soon. I also think realistically even with Nadal around you should have a french slam winner soon.

He might be but at least,you can be 100%(or 99,99) sure that he'll win a GS in the future.
The same can't be said of any of the top french players(and yes,that includes Tsonga).

Eimear O'Mahony
03-08-2009, 10:36 PM
I'm one of Andy's biggest fans Richie21 but even I wouldn't be arrogant enough to assume he'll win a GS because at the end of the day anything can happen on any given day on a tennis court ... I would reckon Jo and Gael (if Jo can stay clear of injuries and Gael can play well consistently) would have just as good a chance as Andy to win a Slam

Masha91
03-09-2009, 03:24 AM
Yes, if only Gael and Jo could be injury free and start posting some more consistent results.

~*BGT*~
09-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Don't know where to put this, but the draw for the 2010 WG has been released and France is in the top half, playing away in Germany. Allez. :)

Puschkin
09-23-2009, 03:08 PM
France is in the top half, playing away in Germany. Allez. :)
France is playing Germany at home.

~*BGT*~
09-23-2009, 09:47 PM
France is playing Germany at home.

Yeah, mixed them up with another country. :)

Kournikovaism
09-23-2009, 10:35 PM
OMG I can't wait for Davis Cup next year, possibility of IRL vs GBR which means it will be televised. :) :p

Ohh and GO FRANCE.

case
09-13-2010, 01:13 PM
on davis cup site shows gasquet in davis cup
am i the only one who missed that he was playing in the semis this year?

Puschkin
09-13-2010, 01:26 PM
on davis cup site shows gasquet in davis cup
am i the only one who missed that he was playing in the semis this year?
Richard has been called for the team, that doesn't necessarily mean he will play. I feel a lot will depend on how the next few days will go. Apparently, Gilles is making a case for himself ;) (See DC-thread).