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Should Federer man up and play at Queens this year?

2003
02-13-2009, 04:09 AM
Well, should he rock up at Queens and go where most of the competition goes and try and get into Nadals head by beating him on the faster grass and for once in his life carry some momentum into a Wimbledon final..

Or should he continue to play in the B event at Halle and enjoy an easy ride to the final to play an inform and match fit Nadal?

Stop hiding I say.

habibko
02-13-2009, 04:14 AM
should Nadal man up and play at Halle this year?

pogotheorist
02-13-2009, 04:18 AM
Halle. The ATP is doing plenty to ensure the top guys run into each other: 13 compulsories, and even the optional list now micromanaged. And it's better theatre if the top two don't collide before the prize fight: keeps the big day more special.

habibko
02-13-2009, 04:36 AM
since I have nothing better to do right now let me give you some facts:

1- what makes Halle a "B event"? they are both 250 series with the same prize money, players are free to choose whatever tournament they play between them, usually players prefer tournaments they can speak their language/close to their hometown and thats two reasons why Federer choose Germany.

2- Halle's surface (slow grass) is closer to Wimbledon than Queen's (fast grass), therefore the reasonable choice is to play Halle as a warm up for Wimbly.

3- Federer has been competing in Halle before anyone even heard of the name Nadal, you should question why Nadal choose to play at Queen's rather than come to the tournament Federer ALREADY plays in and wins every year.

hope this makes enough sense to you :)

jcreback
02-13-2009, 04:51 AM
The only thing Queens has going for it is proximity to Wimbledon. Other than that, Federer should play where he wants to, as should Nadal. If one wants to play the other, they know they can. I think both would rather win the respective titles and make sure to head into Wimbledon on a winning streak.

Snowwy
02-13-2009, 04:56 AM
since I have nothing better to do right now let me give you some facts:

1- what makes Halle a "B event"? they are both 250 series with the same prize money, players are free to choose whatever tournament they play between them, usually players prefer tournaments they can speak their language/close to their hometown and thats two reasons why Federer choose Germany.

2- Halle's surface (slow grass) is closer to Wimbledon than Queen's (fast grass), therefore the reasonable choice is to play Halle as a warm up for Wimbly.

3- Federer has been competing in Halle before anyone even heard of the name Nadal, you should question why Nadal choose to play at Queen's rather than come to the tournament Federer ALREADY plays in and wins every year.

hope this makes enough sense to you :)

Would you marry Roger Federer?

habibko
02-13-2009, 04:59 AM
Would you marry Roger Federer?

only if the OP would marry Nadal.

iriraz
02-13-2009, 05:51 AM
This year we will see Tsonga and Djokovic at Halle too so he will have some competition.But Federer always plays at Halle,he already confirmed for this year so i don`t think anything will change in the future.Federer loves playing in Germany and the court speed is similar to Wimbledon.

HattonWBA
02-13-2009, 08:12 AM
Yh Halle are set for a stronger field this year, and to be honest it is up to the players where they want to go, if roger wants to play Halle, then fair play to him and same with Rafa.

LinkMage
02-13-2009, 09:39 AM
Nadull is probably embarrassed to show his face up in Halle after being humiliated by Waske the only time he played there.

schorsch
02-13-2009, 09:54 AM
Faterer has a very close friendship with the organizers there, he loves Halle and they go out of their way to make this stay this way.

Primus
02-13-2009, 11:05 AM
No, cos if he loses against someone at Queens, he's got another "confidence issue" excuse why he will fail at Wimbledon again.

Dini
02-13-2009, 11:08 AM
No why the hell should he? Just because Nadal won Queen's last year and Wimbly doesn't mean that he is the new King of Grass and that Federer should follow him around to show that he can beat him on grass. Federer has already shown that. Additionally, Halle has always been Federer's choice since God knows when, long before Rafa started winning grass matches. Silly thread.

ORGASMATRON
02-13-2009, 11:48 AM
I say yes. But i dont know if its a question of manning up lol. I seriously doubt if Roger is scared of Rafa on grass.

kiwi10is
02-13-2009, 12:23 PM
Roger has a contract with Halle unitl 2010 ;-)

Igaarg
02-13-2009, 12:31 PM
Man up? He is being playing in Halle for many years, why change it for Nadal? Tennis is not all about Nadal (or Federer or both). He wants to go to Halle, good for him.

Johnny Groove
02-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Although I'd love to see a pre-Wimbledon grass match between these two, I think it might take some of the magic from their Wimbledon encounters.

Puschkin
02-13-2009, 01:43 PM
I think it might take some of the magic from their Wimbledon encounters.
What magic? :shrug:

Henry Kaspar
02-13-2009, 02:58 PM
As long as he shows up fit in Wimbledon, I do not care.

el tenista
02-13-2009, 03:05 PM
No, because I have tickets for the Halle semis and I want to watch Federer there :)In addition to that, he has already confirmed that he'll play Halle as he has a contract with the tournament until 2010.

groundstroke
02-13-2009, 03:07 PM
Halle has the same money as Queen's and has the same points, why play at Queens when Halle is a guaranteed title? Surely you want to face easier opponents?

Corey Feldman
02-13-2009, 03:13 PM
i am sure RFK or Clay Death came up with a thread like this before

FedFan
02-13-2009, 04:52 PM
Nadal should man up and play in Halle. :p

Why? Roger is still far away from him in grass court achievement, he has won 10 titels, wheareas Rafa has two.

And Roger is leading the head to head on this surface.

Nathaliia
02-13-2009, 04:53 PM
Although I'd love to see a pre-Wimbledon grass match between these two, I think it might take some of the magic from their Wimbledon encounters.
You're right, I find it cooler when they prepare elsewhere and then meet at the Wimbledon.

Halle is a mug event, let them have Federer at least.

tangerine_dream
02-13-2009, 05:17 PM
Nadull is probably embarrassed to show his face up in Halle after being humiliated by Waske the only time he played there.
Isn't that what Roger did when he played Queens his one and only time? He lost to Byron Black of Zimbabwe 6-3 6-0. He's played Halle every year since then. :lol:

star
02-13-2009, 05:27 PM
since I have nothing better to do right now let me give you some facts:

1- what makes Halle a "B event"? they are both 250 series with the same prize money, players are free to choose whatever tournament they play between them, usually players prefer tournaments they can speak their language/close to their hometown and thats two reasons why Federer choose Germany.

2- Halle's surface (slow grass) is closer to Wimbledon than Queen's (fast grass), therefore the reasonable choice is to play Halle as a warm up for Wimbly.

3- Federer has been competing in Halle before anyone even heard of the name Nadal, you should question why Nadal choose to play at Queen's rather than come to the tournament Federer ALREADY plays in and wins every year.

hope this makes enough sense to you :)

You forgot

4- Fat appearance fee

Which maybe should have been 1-

Andi-M
02-13-2009, 07:05 PM
Well, should he rock up at Queens and go where most of the competition goes and try and get into Nadals head by beating him on the faster grass and for once in his life carry some momentum into a Wimbledon final..

Or should he continue to play in the B event at Halle and enjoy an easy ride to the final to play an inform and match fit Nadal?

Stop hiding I say.

Lol.

As if Fed's ego could take losing to Nadal prior to Wimbledon. Also other players like Murray and Tsonga have a chance to beat him over 3 sets on grass, i think he does right thing by preparing away from everyone else.

TankingTheSet
02-13-2009, 07:13 PM
Federer plays at Halle for good reasons as mentioned, and also has a historic ATP winning-streak going there have won 25 consecutive matches (5 tournaments). Appearance fee almost certainly means nothing to him, it's not like he needs the money. If the organizers had financial trouble and asked Fed for financial support he would probably give it and still play there.

Dupuis2006
02-13-2009, 07:21 PM
He's won Wimbledon 5 times playing Halle before it. :shrug: Enough said.

Corey Feldman
02-13-2009, 07:43 PM
He's won Wimbledon 5 times playing Halle before it. :shrug: Enough said.
EPIC
PASS


You forgot

4- Fat appearance fee

Which maybe should have been 1-
EPIC
FAIL

MacTheKnife
02-13-2009, 07:47 PM
Well he's played Halle and won 5 of the last 6 Wimbledons. Let's see, what to do ...:confused:

tennizen
02-13-2009, 07:49 PM
EPIC
FAIL

Mikey, don't you know Mr.Angelito plays tourneys only out of the goodness of his heart and refuses all payment of appearance fee. Fed should learn from him:D

Corey Feldman
02-13-2009, 07:55 PM
Mikey, don't you know Mr.Angelito plays tourneys only out of the goodness of his heart and refuses all payment of appearance fee. Fed should learn from him:Dhe refuses the payments, because his contracts include "slow surface down to my likings, no"
;)

MalwareDie
02-13-2009, 08:23 PM
he refuses the payments, because his contracts include "slow surface down to my likings, no"
;)

:yeah:

~*BGT*~
02-13-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone else is running away from Halle and Federer. :lol: I don't think it's the other way around. :)

BaselineSmash
02-13-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm quite sure Federer likes taking a break from that relentless lefty forehand in the week following yet another French Open defeat. I can't lay claim to knowing much about Fed's contractual obligations, but it would be nice to see him add the Queens title to the set in his career. The event may have its negative associations with snobbery, but it's a well run tournament and pretty glamorous as third tier championships go, but so far the Swiss hasn't shown much interest in winning it.

MalwareDie
02-13-2009, 08:38 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone else is running away from Halle and Federer. :lol: I don't think it's the other way around. :)

Yeah. Roddick and Hewitt have been dominating Queens for many years and it would make no sense for them to go to Halle so that they can lose.

~*BGT*~
02-13-2009, 08:59 PM
Yeah. Roddick and Hewitt have been dominating Queens for many years and it would make no sense for them to go to Halle so that they can lose.

I'm a big Roddick fan but I have to agree that that's true.

star
02-13-2009, 11:50 PM
he refuses the payments, because his contracts include "slow surface down to my likings, no"
;)

:haha:

Like Queens? :lol:

star
02-13-2009, 11:52 PM
I'm a big Roddick fan but I have to agree that that's true.

Also, I think Andy likes playing in England.

Queens is shaping up to be a dynamite tournament this year if Nadal, Djokovic, and Roddick play there. Tsonga would be a good addition too.

MalwareDie
02-13-2009, 11:57 PM
Also, I think Andy likes playing in England.

Queens is shaping up to be a dynamite tournament this year if Nadal, Djokovic, and Roddick play there. Tsonga would be a good addition too.

Tsonga and Djokovic are playing at Halle.

star
02-13-2009, 11:58 PM
Tsonga and Djokovic are playing at Halle.

:sad:

peterparker
02-14-2009, 12:48 AM
It's a good question. I used to wonder whether nadal should have gone to halle in the first couple of years to get some experience playing federer on grass before possibly meeting him in the final. Think about the 1st set of their first wimbledon final? Would nadal have played better in that 1st set if he managed to feel federer's game on grass previously at halle?

Maybe if federer makes some interesting changes to his game it might be worth going to queens to see how the dynamic has changed. If not then I don't think it's worth it to leave halle. These two already know each others games on grass. If he changes nothing and goes to queens and beats nadal, what's the big deal? Nadal is smart enough to know it's just one match. Think about hamburg 2007, did that change anything?, not at all, it was business as usual in 2007 RG.

But the guy it makes most sense to go to Halle is murray. He should definitely want to get a sense of federer's game on grass before meeting him in a big match at wimbledon.

tangerine_dream
02-14-2009, 12:57 AM
Queen's had a brilliant line up last year. Halle is turning into a mug's paradise, they are losing everybody except Roger.

Stefwhit
02-14-2009, 03:23 AM
I think only good things could come from the change, however he might be thinking, "if it ain't broke"... I mean it's been pretty good prep for him all these years. Don't underestimate the power of "routine".

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-14-2009, 03:29 AM
should Nadal man up and play at Halle this year?

Nadal is being nice and givin girly man Fed a title.

habibko
02-14-2009, 04:50 AM
never in doubt.

Corey Feldman
02-14-2009, 11:06 AM
Also, I think Andy likes playing in England.

Queens is shaping up to be a dynamite tournament this year if Nadal, Djokovic, and Roddick play there. Tsonga would be a good addition too.look at you forgetting to mention Murray, who is only the BEST player of the lot

2003
02-14-2009, 10:27 PM
Most of you mis understand.

Nadal is the man to beat now. He holds 3 out of four of the slams and likely will by the time the grass court season comes around, hes no 1 in the world.

If he decimates Fed again at the FO how the hell is he going to come back from that and win wimbledon? It would take a miracle. I don't see how a loss to Nadal at queens could do much more to upset him. A win over him however I think could really help him.

And the competition is always better at Queens. Thats why I was refering to Halle as a "b" event.

NinaNina19
02-14-2009, 10:55 PM
Roddick won Queens like a billion times, that should tell you how "strong" the field is there.

peterparker
02-14-2009, 11:52 PM
Most of you mis understand.

Nadal is the man to beat now. He holds 3 out of four of the slams and likely will by the time the grass court season comes around, hes no 1 in the world.

If he decimates Fed again at the FO how the hell is he going to come back from that and win wimbledon? It would take a miracle. I don't see how a loss to Nadal at queens could do much more to upset him. A win over him however I think could really help him.

And the competition is always better at Queens. Thats why I was refering to Halle as a "b" event.

You are obviously thinking too quickly for this thread 2003.

But don't underestimate the effect of another loss on federer's preferred surface.

Roddickominator
02-15-2009, 12:04 AM
Fed is too scared to go to Queens and potentially have to face Nadal and Roddick. Been that way for a while. Let him do his chickenshit thing at Halle and get smoked at Wimbledon again, no one cares about him anymore.

ignatius
02-15-2009, 12:06 AM
I think it also has to do with getting pumped for wimbledon by winning a tournament he's won for the past what? 6 years in a row?

Federer has won back to back Halle/Wimbly for 5 years straight, so why change that now? Yeah, he didnt win Wimbly last year but winning Halle has always been a good warm up for Roger all these years, so I don't think he will play Queens unless he's the superstitious type.

2003
02-15-2009, 05:14 AM
I think it also has to do with getting pumped for wimbledon by winning a tournament he's won for the past what? 6 years in a row?

Federer has won back to back Halle/Wimbly for 5 years straight, so why change that now? Yeah, he didnt win Wimbly last year but winning Halle has always been a good warm up for Roger all these years, so I don't think he will play Queens unless he's the superstitious type.

He didn't play at Halle in 2007 citing fatigue from the F/O loss to Nadal...and apparently he doesn't quit..

MalwareDie
02-15-2009, 05:21 AM
He didn't play at Halle in 2007 citing fatigue from the F/O loss to Nadal...and apparently he doesn't quit..

Go suck up to Mugboar, you crude fanboy.

2003
02-15-2009, 08:02 AM
Hey I am a huge FedFan and that wasn't meant to be an insult,

But, in light of his recent somewhat arrogant comments about fighting till the end etc, think of Rafa, would he ever not play at Queens if he had a tough F/O?

From what we saw from Rafa at the A/O I think he would play every day of the year if he had to.

I think Fed pulled a bit of a Nole in 07.

He said he only retired once when "he couldnt move cuz of the back".

Back injuries are something I know a bit about, they are 9/10 times recuring and it seems funny hes never had any trouble with it since to bother him yet. I think he was exagerating when he said he couldn't move. But hey. Hes a statesman for the sport in the medias eyes so I guess it's okay.

Eden
02-15-2009, 03:51 PM
Excellent thread about a topic which hasn't been discussed before :hatoff:

:yawn:

It's been said so many times that Roger feels really well in Halle. There's no need for him to prepare in Queens for Wimbledon, though it would be nice of course for him to play there one day as I would like to see him winning in Queens.

Halle is the only tournament in Germany which he is going to play with the new schedule. It is very important for him to play in Germany, so he will surely not going to Queens any time soon.

The tournament director of Halle is working to get other of the topplayers to play there. This year Djokovic is going to play the Gerry Weber Open and I'm sure they would be more than thrilled to welcome Nadal as well, but he will surely have a great contract with the tournament in Queens.

nkhera1
02-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Does anyone know why Djokovic switched from Queens to Halle?

In regards to the original post, Fed has won 5 of the last 6 Wimbledon. If he starts changing his preparation around to chase Nadal that is probably going to have more adverse affects on him than the mental problems he seems to have now with the matchup. As we have seen with others, only chasing after one player is not a good long term strategy. He is better of sticking to what he normally does because he is still one of the top favorites to win that title.

star
02-15-2009, 03:54 PM
Excellent thread about a topic which hasn't been discussed before :hatoff:

:yawn:

It's been said so many times that Roger feels really well in Halle. There's no need for him to prepare in Queens for Wimbledon, though it would be nice of course for him to play there one day as I would like to see him winning in Queens.

Halle is the only tournament in Germany which he is going to play with the new schedule. It is very important for him to play in Germany, so he will surely not going to Queens any time soon.

The tournament director of Halle is working to get other of the topplayers to play there. This year Djokovic is going to play the Gerry Weber Open and I'm sure they would be more than thrilled to welcome Nadal as well, but he will surely have a great contract with the tournament in Queens.

And it all works out very well for me because Queens is shown on TV in the States, and I'd much rather see Nadal than Federer. I'm sad that Djokovic went to the dark side though. :sad:

star
02-15-2009, 03:57 PM
Does anyone know why Djokovic switched from Queens to Halle?



My guess is: Money.

But, it's possible (just barely) that he thinks it's better preparation for Wimbledon.

I hope he takes the title there.

Corey Feldman
02-15-2009, 03:58 PM
what some others also forget is Roger like playing in Germany, its almost like home for him

Eden
02-15-2009, 04:01 PM
Does anyone know why Djokovic switched from Queens to Halle?


Despite the opinion on GM Halle would be a MM tournament it has an excellent reputation and the players seem to like the tournament which has very good conditions.

Djokovic probably got a nice contract and beside this -as he doesn't play Hamburg now due to the new schedule - it's a good opportunity for him to play in Germany. Don't forget that he has trained in the Pilic academy here.

ExpectedWinner
02-15-2009, 06:50 PM
Queen's had a brilliant line up last year. Halle is turning into a mug's paradise, they are losing everybody except Roger.

The "brilliant" line up (Nadal excluded) had mediocre results at the last year Wimbledon.

Djokovic (2)- 2nd round

Roddick (3)- 2nd round

Nalbandian (4)- 1st round

Gasquet (5)- R 16

Murray (6)- Q

Mathieu (7) 3rd round

Karlovic (8)- 1st round

MalwareDie
02-15-2009, 09:49 PM
Hey I am a huge FedFan and that wasn't meant to be an insult,

But, in light of his recent somewhat arrogant comments about fighting till the end etc, think of Rafa, would he ever not play at Queens if he had a tough F/O?

From what we saw from Rafa at the A/O I think he would play every day of the year if he had to. Sounds like a Nadull fan.

He said he only retired once when "he couldnt move cuz of the back".

Back injuries are something I know a bit about, they are 9/10 times recuring and it seems funny hes never had any trouble with it since to bother him yet. I think he was exagerating when he said he couldn't move. But hey. Hes a statesman for the sport in the medias eyes so I guess it's okay.

Federer's back problems are supposedly reoccurring. He has just been able to keep them under control for a long time. I don't recall where I read about this so I can't prove this.

l_mac
02-15-2009, 11:34 PM
The "brilliant" line up (Nadal excluded) had mediocre results at the last year Wimbledon.

Djokovic (2)- 2nd round

Roddick (3)- 2nd round

Nalbandian (4)- 1st round

Gasquet (5)- R 16

Murray (6)- Q

Mathieu (7) 3rd round

Karlovic (8)- 1st round

But if you include Nadal you have WINNER :D

For comparison Halle

Baggy 4th round
Youzhny 4th round
Ljubo 1st round
Stepanek 3rd round
Berdych 3rd round
Nieminen 2nd round
Blake 2nd round
Fed RU.

FedFan_2007
02-16-2009, 12:01 AM
I think it would have been interesting to see a Fedal final at Queens 2 weeks before another Fedal final at Wimbledon. But Roger has a contract with Halle through 2010, it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$