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Rotterdam R. 1 - Mathieu defeats Gasquet 3-6 7-6 6-3

SERVivor
02-10-2009, 09:45 PM
Mathieu over Gasquet. Didn't see it but happy with the result. Anyone comment on how it went?

flexeter
02-10-2009, 09:46 PM
any matchpoints for Richard? Voo?

Eliande
02-10-2009, 09:46 PM
Has anybody watched this match?

richie21
02-10-2009, 09:46 PM
At this rate ,Gasquet will soon get out of the top 50,mark my words.
Losing to PHM who has been an absolute joke this year is just :haha::haha:

Dini
02-10-2009, 09:47 PM
Didn't watch it, but well done PHM!!

Gasquet :hug:

Cloudygirl
02-10-2009, 09:47 PM
livescored he was up a break in the 3rd as well :(

Serve percentage dire.

Voo de Mar
02-10-2009, 09:48 PM
any matchpoints for Richard? Voo?

I don't know, I didn't follow this match :)

Dini
02-10-2009, 09:50 PM
No match points for Richie. The tie break was won to 4, and well you can all see the scoreline for the third set.

finishingmove
02-10-2009, 09:51 PM
good job, paulo :)

~*BGT*~
02-10-2009, 09:51 PM
It's best I be silent right now. Don't want to say anything I might regret. :o

richie21
02-10-2009, 09:56 PM
Once again,my predictions were right(despite the Gasquetaires laughing at me): this loss against Gonzalez completely destroyed Gasquet mentally.
It will now take a miracle for him to be back in the winning ways.
Seriously,losing to PHM is as a bad loss as it gets.

reggie1
02-10-2009, 09:57 PM
At this rate ,Gasquet will soon get out of the top 50,mark my words.
Losing to PHM who has been an absolute joke this year is just :haha::haha:
Yes you are absolutely right. Does it make you any happier? :( And you can do one as far as his boards are concerned. We don't want you there. All you do is laugh and take the piss.

SERVivor
02-10-2009, 09:59 PM
It could be alot worse. He could have lost to a qualifier. He's only ranked about 10 spots higher than Mathieu and Mathieu beat him the last time they played indoors.

richie21
02-10-2009, 09:59 PM
Yes you are absolutely right. Does it make you any happier? :( And you can do one as far as his boards are concerned. We don't want you there. All you do is laugh and take the piss.

No.
Actually i'm probably the most disapponted guy in this board at that minute.
Gasquet only deserves to be bashed at the moment(and even by his fans),nothing else.

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:00 PM
It could be alot worse. He could have lost to a qualifier. He's only ranked about 10 spots higher than Mathieu and Mathieu beat him the last time they played indoors.

Come on,PHM has been dire this season and Gasquet was supposed to have improved from last year.

reggie1
02-10-2009, 10:04 PM
I just don't know why this keeps happening? It makes no difference I will always be a fan but it's just so sad.

finishingmove
02-10-2009, 10:04 PM
i wouldn't say mathieu was dire this year...

besides, the season has barely started. give them both a chance

Cloudygirl
02-10-2009, 10:05 PM
Yes you are absolutely right. Does it make you any happier? :( And you can do one as far as his boards are concerned. We don't want you there. All you do is laugh and take the piss.

don't feed the troll stick him on your ignore list. I laugh at the thought of him posting his crap to his hearts content while we all have him on ignore.

Bingerz
02-10-2009, 10:06 PM
Not a very good loss, PHM can play, but he is not really in Gasquet's league. Unfortunately Gasquet is prone to losing matches he shouldn't, one day it might click

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:07 PM
don't feed the troll stick him on your ignore list. I laugh at the thought of him posting his crap to his hearts content while we all have him on ignore.

I'm not trolling,i'm just giving my opinions on Gasquet.
Since when do we not have the right to have opinions(even bad ones) on players?

reggie1
02-10-2009, 10:07 PM
don't feed the troll stick him on your ignore list. I laugh at the thought of him posting his crap to his hearts content while we all have him on ignore.

I haven't responded to him lately but the sight of those smileys on their back laughing their arses off just made me want to vent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Puschkin
02-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Disappointing as it is:
1. it is hard to judge a match no one could see.
2. Rotterdam is important, but there are more important tourneys this year.
3. My secret wish is getting closer to fulfillment: No selection for Davis Cup.;)

Cloudygirl
02-10-2009, 10:09 PM
I haven't responded to him lately but the sight of those smileys on their back laughing their arses off just made me want to vent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Just think swearwords and take a deep press and click the ignore button. I'm feeling tons better for it.

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:10 PM
Disappointing as it is:
1. it is hard to judge a match no one could see.
2. Rotterdam is important, but there are more important tourneys this year.
3. My secret wish is getting closer to fulfillment: No selection for Davis Cup.;)

Yeah,he is like Roger,he is keeping himself for the Slams.

roberthenman
02-10-2009, 10:13 PM
gasquet :confused::confused:

~*BGT*~
02-10-2009, 10:13 PM
Disappointing as it is:
1. it is hard to judge a match no one could see.
2. Rotterdam is important, but there are more important tourneys this year.
3. My secret wish is getting closer to fulfillment: No selection for Davis Cup.;)

Ah... strategic tank? :devil:

Vlad1980
02-10-2009, 10:14 PM
At this rate ,Gasquet will soon get out of the top 50,mark my words.
Losing to PHM who has been an absolute joke this year is just :haha::haha:


Then, you should stop expecting him to win. Yet, even when he beats top 10 players, you still claim he is just crap. Try to stay more consistent.

fast_clay
02-10-2009, 10:17 PM
Mathieu... whoa... mental giant... is Mathieu the next Thomas Muster...?

Andi-M
02-10-2009, 10:17 PM
Gasquet saving himself for his Wimbledon title.

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:18 PM
Then, you should stop expecting him to win. Yet, even when he beats top 10 players, you still claim he is just crap. Try to stay more consistent.

The thing is that the top 10 players he beat weren't exactly playing top 10 tennis against him,far from it(see for instance Simon's post match reaction after his loss against Gasquet).
That's why i was far from being convinced by those wins and what has happened after that is just confirming me that i was right.

Puschkin
02-10-2009, 10:22 PM
Ah... strategic tank? :devil:
No, that's not what I implied. But when he follow him for a long time, you know that he - more often than not - is only playing well when he feels well and is in the proper mood. And this is not an excuse, it is an explanation. That's why the Gonzo-match was so exceptional.

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:23 PM
No, that's not what I implied. But when he follow him for a long time, you know that he - more often than not - is only playing well when he feels well and is in the proper mood. And this is not an excuse, it is an explanation. That's why the Gonzo-match was so exceptional.

So exceptionnal that he lost if after having lead 2 sets to love.
Or was it another strategic thank?

Puschkin
02-10-2009, 10:26 PM
Or was it another strategic thank?
I never talked about a strategic tank. Read before you write. And some thinking might also help.

richie21
02-10-2009, 10:30 PM
I never talked about a strategic tank. Read before you write. And some thinking might also help.

but you implied it in some sense,saying there were more important tournaments for Richard than Rotterdam.....which in itself is quite rich considering he has yet to even win a tournament as big as Rotterdam,let alone a MS or a GS.
Considering his prize list so far,it would be very arrogant for him to only concentrate on the bigger tournaments and not play to his best in tournaments like Rotterdam or Tokyo.

duong
02-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Come on,PHM has been dire this season and Gasquet was supposed to have improved from last year.

As we didn't see the match it's impossible to say.

PHM is able of many things, including beating Gasquet (it's not the first time I believe).

And he made a good tournament in Brisbane, beating Gulbis and Nishikori, losing to Verdasco, who was playing incredibly.

Of course it's disappointing for Gasquet, but you cannot speak about Mathieu as if he was anybody, ranked 60 in the world.

duong
02-10-2009, 10:45 PM
Mathieu... whoa... mental giant... is Mathieu the next Thomas Muster...?

Mathieu has won many matches like that.

Of course he has lost even more :lol:

Puschkin
02-10-2009, 10:54 PM
Considering his prize list so far,it would be very arrogant for him to only concentrate on the bigger tournaments and not play to his best in tournaments like Rotterdam or Tokyo.

I have explained it to you a hundred times. I will do it once more and then I put you on the ignore list.

If you expect a Nadal-like career for Richard, you will always be disappointed. I just don't see him fighting day in day out in every tournament he plays. And I don't see him as number 1 either. I might have had that dream once, but not anymore. I will be happy if he wins a big title. For me Wimbledon would be the greatest joy, for him of course Roland Garros. If you can't live with the fact that Richard won't live up to your exaggerated expectations, then go and join another camp.

And don't come up with his win against Roger in 2005, this is history. Even Roddick beat Roger once. ;)

A final comment: Your bashing won't change anything. Richard won't become Nadal whatever you write here and the real fans who like his game won't quit either.

Schu
02-10-2009, 11:08 PM
Richie you are killin' me here.

Fortunately his good matches are SOOOO good (as few and far between as they may be recently) that I can live with these disappointments. And since I didn't see it I really can't bitch about a poor match from Gasquet. Although Gasquet SHOULD beat PHM most of the time, PHM is capable of some really good matches.

Just another day on the Gasquet rollar coaster... Some day it's gonna click, despite what some might think he still HAS time.

Henry Chinaski
02-10-2009, 11:12 PM
I saw the sb half way through the 2nd set and Gasquet had won 100% of points behind first serve. I thought he was cruising...

Nathaliia
02-10-2009, 11:42 PM
Out of two chokers the less experienced lost.

Nice one, Paulo.

~*BGT*~
02-10-2009, 11:43 PM
I have explained it to you a hundred times. I will do it once more and then I put you on the ignore list.

If you expect a Nadal-like career for Richard, you will always be disappointed. I just don't see him fighting day in day out in every tournament he plays. And I don't see him as number 1 either. I might have had that dream once, but not anymore. I will be happy if he wins a big title. For me Wimbledon would be the greatest joy, for him of course Roland Garros. If you can't live with the fact that Richard won't live up to your exaggerated expectations, then go and join another camp.

And don't come up with his win against Roger in 2005, this is history. Even Roddick beat Roger once. ;)

A final comment: Your bashing won't change anything. Richard won't become Nadal whatever you write here and the real fans who like his game won't quit either.

Uh, twice :p

case
02-11-2009, 02:34 AM
nice to see that nothing ever changes -richie21 gets on everyone's nerves and gasquet loses to a player he should have beaten easily.

my hope is that gasquet is NOT picked for Davis and considering his flaking out during the last davis cup who would pick him? not me

gasquet just cant handle pressure.

duong
02-11-2009, 07:14 AM
nice to see that nothing ever changes -richie21 gets on everyone's nerves and gasquet loses to a player he should have beaten easily.

my hope is that gasquet is NOT picked for Davis and considering his flaking out during the last davis cup who would pick him? not me

gasquet just cant handle pressure.

Gasquet is just not as good at tennis as many think : Puschkin is right at least for that.

Against Gonzalez and in many other matches, he could handle pressure.

In Davis Cup, he would be a very good doubles player.

xhr75019
02-11-2009, 07:38 AM
For once there was a funny comment on L'Équipe forum. I copy it here :

":confused: I thought they would both loose... :scratch:"

Puschkin
02-11-2009, 07:41 AM
Gasquet is just not as good at tennis as many think : Puschkin is right at least for that.

That's not what I said, though. On good days, he is extraordinary and frankly- even if he loses- his tennis is often more exciting than that of some who win more regularly. What I said is that he does not seem capable to play consistently day in day out.

leng jai
02-11-2009, 07:51 AM
Once again,my predictions were right(despite the Gasquetaires laughing at me): this loss against Gonzalez completely destroyed Gasquet mentally.
It will now take a miracle for him to be back in the winning ways.
Seriously,losing to PHM is as a bad loss as it gets.

You predict the same shit after every "bad" Gasquet loss, and especially considering he has has shitty mental since day one, this doesn't exactly make you a genius.

reggie1
02-11-2009, 08:09 AM
I think with Richard everbody goes on about his "talent" well of course he has it in abundance but talent alone will not win you matches. You also need the personality and mental strength to handle that talent. Hopefully, he will achieve this. I know he is 22 but often feel that he is still very young mentally.
Still, I will look forward to the next tournie as I am nothing if not an optimist.

HattonWBA
02-11-2009, 08:19 AM
choke fest, richard is getting worse and worse which is concerning.

duong
02-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Let me say something very clear and simple :

I remember a statistics on TV screen during the match between Gonzalez and Gasquet :

Gonzalez had 18 backhand winners,
Gasquet 14 backhand winners.

And I hear here and then that Gasquet's backhand is a huge shot, a great proof of talent, and then should make him win everything.

Isn't it a total bullshit ? :D

He has a greatly beautiful game, but it's not at all as effective as many think.

Always always beautiful players are overrated, and not beautiful are underrated (for instance Nadal).

To solve that "dilemma", many people have the same eternal answer : the mental.

Mental here mental there mental everywhere ...

Of course the mental counts,

but when Gonzalez makes more backhand winners than Gasquet in one of Gasquet's greatest matches,

is it really the mental that makes him lose ?

or is his game just very beautiful but not at all as effective ?

I remember, Gasquet makes severalk very beautiful points.

Everyone makes "Wowwwww incredible" ... and remembers these ones deeply.

Then Gonzalez comes : he makes a serve winner, then serve plus powerful forehand.

He just has made the same number of points !!

And it's the same story for Nadal-Verdasco ...

Gasquet is overrated but not first because of his mental, but first because of his game.

oranges
02-11-2009, 11:28 AM
Gonzalez had 18 backhand winners,
Gasquet 14 backhand winners.

And I hear here and then that Gasquet's backhand is a huge shot, a great proof of talent, and then should make him win everything.

Isn't it a total bullshit ? :D


Not really since that was match where he played a LOT at the net. Including those stats would give a better picture ;)


Around 40 percnet 1st serve in this one, makes me worry more about that shoulder than one poorly played match TBH.

duong
02-11-2009, 11:35 AM
Not really since that was match where he played a LOT at the net. Including those stats would give a better picture ;)



yes he played a lot at the net during this match, but there were a lot of baseline exchanges as well.

And do you remember ANY match (except maybe the semifinal in Wimbledon against Roddick) when Gasquet made A LOT of backhand winners ?

He's beautiful, yes, but wining in tennis is not a matter of being beaufitul, it's a matter of winning more points.

oranges
02-11-2009, 11:43 AM
And do you remember ANY match (except maybe the semifinal in Wimbledon against Roddick) when Gasquet made A LOT of backhand winners ?
Many, I can't believe that's supposed to be an issue :shrug:

He's beautiful, yes, but wining in tennis is not a matter of being beaufitul, it's a matter of winning more points.

Sure, otherwise he'd be more certain in top 5 than Roddick if interviews were the criterion :lol:

Puschkin
02-11-2009, 11:55 AM
I remember, Gasquet makes severalk very beautiful points.

Everyone makes "Wowwwww incredible" ... and remembers these ones deeply.
At least one has something to remember which rarely happens in all these efficient players' wins. ;):p

duong
02-11-2009, 12:03 PM
At least one has something to remember which rarely happens in all these efficient players' wins. ;):p

Exactly ! :D

That's very important !

But winning is something else.

Personally I prefer beautiful players.

duong
02-11-2009, 12:10 PM
Many, I can't believe that's supposed to be an issue :shrug:

Then it's my turn to be surprised, since I saw a lot of Gasquet's matches.

IMO Gasquet lacks a powerful and effective shot.

For players like this, you should have a great technique, have a good physics and be very consistent. Like Murray for instance, or Djokovic, except that Djokovic makes more winners than Gasquet.

As Gasquet has nothing of that, his only solution is to go to the net, where he has a far higher than average game.

With that, he can win Wimbledon. But apart from Wimbledon, nothing extraordinary : just a very good player.

SushiMinimal
02-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Gasquet is gonna become another underachiever like gonzo or nalbandian, playing according his particular mood of the day and choking from time to time.

Venle
02-11-2009, 12:30 PM
:bigcry: :sad:

Oh no, I'm really looking forward to the day when Richie actually plays on the level he's capable to.

Allez Paulo anyway

Puschkin
02-11-2009, 03:08 PM
But apart from Wimbledon, nothing extraordinary
Wimbledon champions are extraordinary by law. :p (Errors like Hewitt and Nadal just confirm the rule).

Clydey
02-11-2009, 05:20 PM
i wouldn't say mathieu was dire this year...

besides, the season has barely started. give them both a chance

This finishingmove is always the voice of reason.

Ouragan
02-11-2009, 09:38 PM
Gasquet saving himself for his Wimbledon title.


Wimbledon 2017, probably.

Forehander
02-12-2009, 02:55 AM
No.
Actually i'm probably the most disapponted guy in this board at that minute.
Gasquet only deserves to be bashed at the moment(and even by his fans),nothing else.

How do you know you were the most disappointed guy in this board at that minute?

littleash
02-12-2009, 06:15 AM
Gas :rolleyes:

dusk
02-12-2009, 06:42 AM
Is Loic Corteau coaching Mathieu at the moment?

duong
02-12-2009, 10:13 AM
Is Loic Corteau coaching Mathieu at the moment?

Courteau yes ... and it seems that Mathieu is very happy about him.

groundstroke
02-12-2009, 02:43 PM
Yeah all optimism for Gasquet is down the drain, he has no chance of ever being in the top 10 let alone winning anything if he keeps on losing to mugs like PHM.

rocketassist
02-12-2009, 03:30 PM
Gasquet just happens to be a little bit overhyped by a few gimps with over-zealous expectations. Beautiful backhand means he must be Federer-like and some sort of genius.

On his day he can be great but like the other top ten players except the big four (maybe two as Faker and Murray have the occasional slip) he's capable of losing to a non-top 10 on a red hot day.

Gasquet can win things, but glory seeking fleas need to piss off his back.

richie21
02-12-2009, 03:33 PM
Gasquet just happens to be a little bit overhyped by a few gimps with over-zealous expectations. Beautiful backhand means he must be Federer-like and some sort of genius.

On his day he can be great but like the other top ten players except the big four (maybe two as Faker and Murray have the occasional slip) he's capable of losing to a non-top 10 on a red hot day.
Gasquet can win things, but glory seeking fleas need to piss off his back.

The only problem is that i'm far from convinced that PHM was in a red hot day.....