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Is Fernando Gonzalez an underachiever?

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 11:44 AM
I always have the feeling that Feña has a huge potential as player that could have brought him much more in his career. Am I the only one?

There are very few active players with 11 titles, and it's not easy to find players with over 65% of matches won (317 - 169). He has been winning titles from 2000 to 2009. But he lost his four biggest matches: AO Final, Olympic final, and two AMS finals.

That forehand alone should have got him much more success, it is amazing when he is on fire. He is not seriously lacking in any other area, and is a good figther that rarely chokes. His good performance in olympics shows what he can do when focused.

Can we still expect something great from him? I would really like him winning something big, even the USO or next AO. He really deserves it after a decade of good work. But he better hurry, as he will be 29 this summer.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 11:55 AM
why this thread?

why in GM?

you don't want to know what I think about Gozofake :p

ORGASMATRON
02-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Not as badly as Nalba.

nestingus
02-09-2009, 12:30 PM
He's a classic example of someone who consistently makes light work of lower ranked opponents and comes up just short against the top players. Eleven titles is a bit misleading, the best player he has beaten over those is probably Robredo. If luck had gone his way he might have grabbed a couple of TSM on clay, but his record in finals against top players is terrible.

I'd compare him to Blake to be honest, not in style, but in what he's achieved. Blake has got ten titles with no TSM or Grand Slams, and his best wins came against Roddick and Hewitt. Again, his record against the top players is awful.

Both Gonzalez and Blake have been fantastically consistent top 5 players in the past, but they both lack the cutting edge required to win the big titles.

I'm not sure Ferdando has got enough variety to his game to trouble the very best in the world and neither am I sure he has the mental fortitude to scrap it out with the best.

rafa_maniac
02-09-2009, 12:31 PM
It's been difficult for anyone the past 5 years to have any considerable success outside of the big 2 besides Djokovic to some extent, so no, I think Fena has done fairly well for himself. Three Olympic medals and a Slam final is nothing to sniff at.

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 12:53 PM
He's a classic example of someone who consistently makes light work of lower ranked opponents and comes up just short against the top players. Eleven titles is a bit misleading, the best player he has beaten over those is probably Robredo. If luck had gone his way he might have grabbed a couple of TSM on clay, but his record in finals against top players is terrible.

I'd compare him to Blake to be honest, not in style, but in what he's achieved. Blake has got ten titles with no TSM or Grand Slams, and his best wins came against Roddick and Hewitt. Again, his record against the top players is awful.

Both Gonzalez and Blake have been fantastically consistent top 5 players in the past, but they both lack the cutting edge required to win the big titles.

I'm not sure Ferdando has got enough variety to his game to trouble the very best in the world and neither am I sure he has the mental fortitude to scrap it out with the best.

Yeah, maybe you're right, he's very similar to Blake in achievements. We can put Ferrer and Nalby in that bag too. Maybe with different luck and coaching they could have done more, we will never know.

Serenidad
02-09-2009, 01:00 PM
His H2H against Roddick suggests that he is where is belongs in terms of overall career.

nestingus
02-09-2009, 01:00 PM
Yeah, maybe you're right, he's very similar to Blake in achievements. We can put Ferrer and Nalby in that bag too. Maybe with different luck and coaching they could have done more, we will never know.

I reckon he has achieved quite a lot considering the opposition he has faced. I reckon he's pretty much fulfiled his potential.

Nalbo is a bit different though. He's already got two TMS and a Masters Cup beating Fed and Nadal en route. He really can beat the best players. Only a Grand Slam eludes him and quite frankly, like rafa_maniac said, Nole is the only person to break the Nadal Fed dominance in the last few years.

SushiMinimal
02-09-2009, 01:01 PM
Having that forehand and not winning at least one AMS makes him an underachiever. The choker thing is relative. I remember in his AO final against federer in the first set he was up 5-4, 40-15, with his service, but he made unforced errors.

Henry Chinaski
02-09-2009, 01:04 PM
He's a classic example of someone who consistently makes light work of lower ranked opponents and comes up just short against the top players. Eleven titles is a bit misleading, the best player he has beaten over those is probably Robredo. If luck had gone his way he might have grabbed a couple of TSM on clay, but his record in finals against top players is terrible.



In finals he's come up against Federer 3 times and Nadal twice. And Ljubo who was unbeatable in Vienna at the time. He did beat Kuerten on clay who was ranked 17 at the time.

Anyway he plays a high-risk game, his defence is very average and his backhand is a complete liability most of the time. I don't think someone with such glaring weaknesses can be considered an underachiever.

Maybe he could've taken advantage of some of the weaker MS fields we've seen over the years. He was favourite for Hamburg in 2006 for example.
He would've been a leading contender for Paris in 06 as well only he was completely exhausted by the time it came around.

MacTheKnife
02-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Threads that are discussing why a guy beats lower ranked players and loses to the top players are always interesting. Just maybe it's because he's ranked right where he belongs.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 01:21 PM
Apologies in advance for trolling, but as you can see I don't see the pt of this thread

THIS THREAD SUCKS BECAUSE: (Place X where applies)

[X] This topic did not need a separate thread
[_] Fake account
[_] It asks when and/or will Nadal become #1 in the world
[_] It is a Nadal v Federer thread where making sense is prohibited
[_] It assumes Federer will forever be on top of the tennis world
[_] It is a lame ass troll attempt
[_] It is a “Threaten to leave” thread
[_] It was started by Rafa=FedKilla
[X] It over hypes players that don’t deserve it
[_] It contains the Croatian contingent in a argument either among themselves or with others
[_] It was started by JustCause
[_] Original Posters grammar makes me suspect the post was written by 4 year old
[_] It claims Player X career is over after 1 bad loss
[_] It tries to determine the best player ever (on any surface) for the 200th time
[_] It asks when or if a young player will ever reach their potential after a totally expected loss
[_] It is a serious discussion of a exhibition match
[_] It proclaims a 16-18 year olds career is finished after a couple of first round losses
[_] It has the word Gilbert in the subject line
[_] It discusses doubles when its not a Davis Cup weekend
[_] It is a serious discussion of a clay clowns chances at a clay event or in a individual match against a competent clay player
[maybe] It is the annual thread where people bitch about clay courters not showing up and embarrassing themselves on grass
[_] LOL Jerry Seinfeld
[_] To much sex talk in this thread
[_] It speculates whether player X is on dope without any evidence
[_] It asks/assumes Safin is finished in tennis after a totally expected few first round loss to the local baker in the first round of small tournament X
[_] Use the damn search engine
[_] It accuses the loser of choking when he did nothing of the sort
[_] It talks about fake injuries and/or fake injury time outs
[_] Cramp is called a injury
[_] BROKEN CAPS LOCK
[_] It claims females can be competitive with males in any form of tennis
[X] Wrong forum, douche (IMHO true :p)

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 01:24 PM
Apologies in advance for trolling, but as you can see I don't see the pt of this thread

THIS THREAD SUCKS BECAUSE: (Place X where applies)

[X] This topic did not need a separate thread
[_] Fake account
[_] It asks when and/or will Nadal become #1 in the world
[_] It is a Nadal v Federer thread where making sense is prohibited
[_] It assumes Federer will forever be on top of the tennis world
[_] It is a lame ass troll attempt
[_] It is a “Threaten to leave” thread
[_] It was started by Rafa=FedKilla
[X] It over hypes players that don’t deserve it
[_] It contains the Croatian contingent in a argument either among themselves or with others
[_] It was started by JustCause
[_] Original Posters grammar makes me suspect the post was written by 4 year old
[_] It claims Player X career is over after 1 bad loss
[_] It tries to determine the best player ever (on any surface) for the 200th time
[_] It asks when or if a young player will ever reach their potential after a totally expected loss
[_] It is a serious discussion of a exhibition match
[_] It proclaims a 16-18 year olds career is finished after a couple of first round losses
[_] It has the word Gilbert in the subject line
[_] It discusses doubles when its not a Davis Cup weekend
[_] It is a serious discussion of a clay clowns chances at a clay event or in a individual match against a competent clay player
[maybe] It is the annual thread where people bitch about clay courters not showing up and embarrassing themselves on grass
[_] LOL Jerry Seinfeld
[_] To much sex talk in this thread
[_] It speculates whether player X is on dope without any evidence
[_] It asks/assumes Safin is finished in tennis after a totally expected few first round loss to the local baker in the first round of small tournament X
[_] Use the damn search engine
[_] It accuses the loser of choking when he did nothing of the sort
[_] It talks about fake injuries and/or fake injury time outs
[_] Cramp is called a injury
[_] BROKEN CAPS LOCK
[_] It claims females can be competitive with males in any form of tennis
[X] Wrong forum, douche (IMHO true :p)

Thanks, I am starting to understand your point of view. Maybe a third post saying the same will work?

nestingus
02-09-2009, 01:26 PM
Thats quite a lot of effort for someone who doesn't see the point, lol.

Anyway it's good discussion, surely thats what forums are there for.

A_Skywalker
02-09-2009, 01:27 PM
I do not think he is an underachiever. For his qualities he has good results. Maybe only a little bit more thinking would be wishful, but hey.. It's Gonzo :)


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Tankman
02-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Thanks, I am starting to understand your point of view. Maybe a third post saying the same will work?

:lol:

well fine I won't say anything anymore.

No :p

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 01:28 PM
Threads that are discussing why a guy beats lower ranked players and loses to the top players are always interesting. Just maybe it's because he's ranked right where he belongs.


LOL, everybody is ranked where he belongs (Some will tell you Nadal isn't ;) ). Just wondered why he hasn't made better use of that forehand, that is likely within the 5 best FHs in active players.

rafa_maniac
02-09-2009, 02:12 PM
Has anyone commented yet on your signature Bazooka? Considering when you predicted that, it's looking freakily prophetic :eek: (though I'd switch out the US Open for a 7th RG)

Tankman
02-09-2009, 02:15 PM
no its pretty impressive

it makes up for this thread foh shur ;) :p

HattonWBA
02-09-2009, 02:55 PM
Yes he is an under achiever

Bazooka
02-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Has anyone commented yet on your signature Bazooka? Considering when you predicted that, it's looking freakily prophetic :eek: (though I'd switch out the US Open for a 7th RG)

Was it that hard to predict? And he can still make a fool of me and win twice that. :P

6xRG is good enough, new young talents always arise in clay, and I hope we soon have someone that can openly challenge Rafa in the Philippe Chartier court. If Rafa's career was an epic movie, I don't think the main villiain has appeared yet.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 03:42 PM
:lol:

main villain :ras:

Pfloyd
02-09-2009, 03:43 PM
Well, he did have a one geniune shot at winning the Australian Open but was unlucky to bump into Super Fed in the final.

I think 1 slam would be an appropriate award to his overall career. Full of power, inconsistency, flashes of brilliance and big lapses of concentration.

His backhand is mediocre as well.

So I'd say he should've won a slam, but given his career you can see why he has failed to win one.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 03:45 PM
no. freaking. way.

he is a fluke artist and does not deserve a slam.

(sorry bazooka :hug:)

Ilovetheblues_86
02-09-2009, 04:15 PM
But if he had won one slam it would be more fluke than Johansson or Moya :banana:

Roddickominator
02-09-2009, 04:17 PM
Gonzo is one of my favorite players to watch....but yeah he has underachieved. His backhand, and more importantly...his mental lapses....are what have stopped him from winning a big title or two. I think he could have scrapped a few out of Nadal or Federer if he were more consistent. He reminds me a lot of Verdasco really....pretty good serve, elite forehand, and wildly inconsist(though Verdasco does have a more reliable backhand). Maybe Gonzo needs to pay Gil Reyes and Andre a visit.

prima donna
02-09-2009, 04:26 PM
No.

Nathaliia
02-09-2009, 04:33 PM
Sometimes you watch him and you actually think he's an overachiever with all the inconsistency he presents. His tennis is alright for spending the long time in the top 20 like he does, and taking his chances in lower level tournaments like he does. Certainly AO final and Olympics results will be his career highlights. Comparing him to Nalbandian is at least inappropriate given Gonzalez's game A and Nalbandian's game A. Different time zone.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 04:39 PM
But if he had won one slam it would be more fluke than Johansson or Moya :banana:

:lol:

I resent your depiction of Moya.

But Johansson..... my grandma could have beaten Safin that day. And she's 70+ and stuck in her apartment in the Philippines :p

SushiMinimal
02-09-2009, 05:02 PM
Gonzo is one of my favorite players to watch....but yeah he has underachieved. His backhand, and more importantly...his mental lapses....are what have stopped him from winning a big title or two. I think he could have scrapped a few out of Nadal or Federer if he were more consistent. He reminds me a lot of Verdasco really....pretty good serve, elite forehand, and wildly inconsist(though Verdasco does have a more reliable backhand). Maybe Gonzo needs to pay Gil Reyes and Andre a visit.

I second that gonzo should pay Gil Reyes and Andre a visit.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-09-2009, 08:18 PM
The answer you are searching for is NO!.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 08:21 PM
I'm glad we agree on something ChinO

:lol:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-09-2009, 08:31 PM
I'm glad we agree on something ChinO

:lol:

:lol: :wavey:

Gonzo is far from a underachiver, man the guy has talent but he had to improve many things to reach better levels during the past years.

He works hard and has improved some skills, when he started to play in the regular tour he had only a big FH and nothing more, his footwork was terrible, his serve was unstable (hitting at least 1 DF by service game), the BH side was horrible and many times he choked some important matches under De La Peña as his coach. Now he's more smart, his serve is reliable, stays calm in the key moments and his shot selection is better.

The problem is he's 28 now. I hope he can win at least a Masters 1000 in the future.

Tankman
02-09-2009, 08:41 PM
:lol: :wavey:

Gonzo is far from a underachiver, man the guy has talent but he had to improve many things to reach better levels during the past years.

He works hard and has improved some skills, when he started to play in the regular tour he had only a big FH and nothing more, his footwork was terrible, his serve was unstable (hitting at least 1 DF by service game), the BH side was horrible and many times he choked some important matches under De La Peña as his coach. Now he's more smart, his serve is reliable, stays calm in the key moments and his shot selection is better.

The problem is he's 28 now. I hope he can win at least a Masters 1000 in the future.

:wavey:

Agreed.

I hope so too. If he can win it JUST by playing and WITHOUT any gamesmanship :p

Having said that, he could rip Rafa a new one with that huge FH of his if it was on song :p

the graduate
02-09-2009, 09:58 PM
simply a ballbasher,plays brainless tennis

madmanfool
02-09-2009, 10:44 PM
He's not an underachiever. There are too many flaws in his game. His backhand, he struggles against big servers,..
However, his biggest missed opportunity in my eyes was his loss to JCF in Roland Garros QF in 2003. He lost to Ferrero in 5 sets in that quarter final. At that time he had a 2-0 H2H against Ferrero and he was the better of the two during juniors as well. He beat JCF in the junior final at Roland Garros. But he lost that match and Ferrero went on to beat Costa and Verkerk to win the titel. And for what's it worth I think Gonzalez could have beaten those players as well. Costa was nowhere near his form of the previous year and had to play like 4 five set matches just to get in that semi. And Verkerk,..well let just say he would have gotton a shot at beating him. He was much closer to winning that Grand slam than he ever was the Australian open, unless Federer had broken his foot or something at the time.

Bad Religion
02-09-2009, 10:57 PM
An overachiever mug specialist in ultra MM tournaments . I mean , his biggest tournament won has been Basel, the other 10 wins were in glorious tournaments like Orlando , Amersfoort , Vina*4 , Palermo , Beijing , Munich :shrug:

Hope this helps

Chileno
02-09-2009, 11:09 PM
Nope. Although you could argue he started to play real tennis too late in his career. Wasted too much important early years bashing the ball away...entertaining...but a waste of precious time. It would be nice if he could snatch a masters before he retires.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 01:18 AM
:wavey:

Agreed.

I hope so too. If he can win it JUST by playing and WITHOUT any gamesmanship :p

Having said that, he could rip Rafa a new one with that huge FH of his if it was on song :p

Rafa's defense is out of the world men, also the last 2 times Feña faced Rafa he was dead tired, a 100% Feña could take out one set off Rafa at best, but the entire match? i have many doubts. :wavey: Many Rafa haters here still believe Feña can beat him, to be honest that AO match was an oasis in the desert, cause Gonzo played superb and out of this world tennis (check his winner/ue ratio of that match) and Rafa was dead tired after the Murray's match.

Without any gamesmanship? oh come on, nobody is perfect, or not? ;)

He's not an underachiever. There are too many flaws in his game. His backhand, he struggles against big servers,..
However, his biggest missed opportunity in my eyes was his loss to JCF in Roland Garros QF in 2003. He lost to Ferrero in 5 sets in that quarter final. At that time he had a 2-0 H2H against Ferrero and he was the better of the two during juniors as well. He beat JCF in the junior final at Roland Garros. But he lost that match and Ferrero went on to beat Costa and Verkerk to win the titel. And for what's it worth I think Gonzalez could have beaten those players as well. Costa was nowhere near his form of the previous year and had to play like 4 five set matches just to get in that semi. And Verkerk,..well let just say he would have gotton a shot at beating him. He was much closer to winning that Grand slam than he ever was the Australian open, unless Federer had broken his foot or something at the time.

Ferrero was very nervous in that match, was the real final of that RG. But experience prevails, Gonzo never played well when the match was tied, he played well only when he was losing, JCF was beatable that day but at that moment Feña doesn't have the experience to play big matches, JCF always did the right things in the key points.

Also Gonzo missed a good chance in the QF USO 02 when he gifted the final set TB (w/zero tactics, all brainless ballbash) to Schalken, probably he'd lose to Pete in the SF then, but he missed the chance of his life to play Sampras in a GS SF. :sad:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 01:27 AM
Rafa's defense is out of the world men, also the last 2 times Feña faced Rafa he was dead tired, a 100% Feña could take out one set off Rafa at best, but the entire match? i have many doubts. :wavey: Many Rafa haters here still believe Feña can beat him, to be honest that AO match was an oasis in the desert, cause Gonzo played superb and out of this world tennis (check his winner/ue ratio of that match) and Rafa was dead tired after the Murray's match.

Without any gamesmanship? oh come on, nobody is perfect, or not? ;)


Haha ok then.... he could rip 08 Rafa a new one? :p

well no :p

but thats another story which i cbb talking about

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 01:31 AM
Haha ok then.... he could rip 08 Rafa a new one? :p

well no :p

but thats another story which i cbb talking about

That would be amazing to see for me, but i'm just being honest. :p

This Rafa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafa 07. :wavey:

And this Gonzo <<< Gonzo AO 07.

Tankman
02-10-2009, 01:37 AM
That would be amazing to see for me, but i'm just being honest. :p

This Rafa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafa 07. :wavey:

And this Gonzo <<< Gonzo AO 07.

:lol:

thats what I meant

years and dates don't really mean much to me now :p

so you agree then? Gonzo 07 would have ripped Rafa 07 a new one if they played again in 2009, no? :p

Kolya
02-10-2009, 01:38 AM
Both Gonzalez and Blake have been fantastically consistent top 5 players in the past, but they both lack the cutting edge required to win the big titles.

Fantastically consistent top 5 players??? I don't think so mate...

His biggest title is probably Basel.

alfonsojose
02-10-2009, 01:42 AM
I always have the feeling that Feña has a huge potential as player that could have brought him much more in his career. Am I the only one?

There are very few active players with 11 titles, and it's not easy to find players with over 65% of matches won (317 - 169). He has been winning titles from 2000 to 2009. But he lost his four biggest matches: AO Final, Olympic final, and two AMS finals.

That forehand alone should have got him much more success, it is amazing when he is on fire. He is not seriously lacking in any other area, and is a good figther that rarely chokes. His good performance in olympics shows what he can do when focused.

Can we still expect something great from him? I would really like him winning something big, even the USO or next AO. He really deserves it after a decade of good work. But he better hurry, as he will be 29 this summer.
Sure, his backhand is awesome ans his returns too :help:

alfonsojose
02-10-2009, 01:47 AM
An overachiever mug specialist in ultra MM tournaments . I mean , his biggest tournament won has been Basel, the other 10 wins were in glorious tournaments like Orlando , Amersfoort , Vina*4 , Palermo , Beijing , Munich :shrug:

Hope this helps

:lol: But he has played some finals in big tournies too and he has reached QF in every slam
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/titles.asp?playernumber=G415

Not an underachiever at all

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 01:48 AM
:lol:

thats what I meant

years and dates don't really mean much to me now :p

so you agree then? Gonzo 07 would have ripped Rafa 07 a new one if they played again in 2009, no? :p

Probably, why not. Rafa in 2007 was beatable outside clay. But thesedays, i don't think so, this Rafa is different, more confident and his bh has improved a lot. Haters could say that's blue clay, green clay, blah blah blah... but the guy has improved a lot in his game, and also he's probably one of the best clutch players ever.

Tankman
02-10-2009, 01:49 AM
Probably, why not. Rafa in 2007 was beatable outside clay. But thesedays, i don't think so, this Rafa is different, more confident and his bh has improved a lot. Haters could say that's blue clay, green clay, blah blah blah... but the guy has improved a lot in his game, and also he's probably one of the best clutch players ever.

:lol:

once he wins the USO they'll be calling it American clay.

and if he ever beats Federer on ice. Guess what they'll say next?

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 01:55 AM
:lol: But he has played some finals in big tournies too and he has reached QF in every slam
http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/titles.asp?playernumber=G415

Not an underachiever at all

You have to know that this guy is a big Feña hater. And he's chilean. :lol:

:lol:

once he wins the USO they'll be calling it American clay.

and if he ever beats Federer on ice. Guess what they'll say next?

NID :p

Ice clay no? If you can "moonball" the ball on that surface. :lol:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 02:02 AM
You have to know that this guy is a big Feña hater. And he's chilean. :lol:



NID :p

Ice clay no? If you can "moonball" the ball on that surface. :lol:

:rolls:

so if I went to the chilean thread and said, in the words of a certain gambler, "f*** you Gonzo and f*** your country", then I wouldn't get destroyed by everyone? :haha:

well yeah :p I don't think it'd even bounce. The net would need to be 0.151234234626 of an inch about the ground too :o :haha:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 02:08 AM
:rolls:

so if I went to the chilean thread and said, in the words of a certain gambler, "f*** you Gonzo and f*** your country", then I wouldn't get destroyed by everyone? :haha:

well yeah :p I don't think it'd even bounce. The net would need to be 0.151234234626 of an inch about the ground too :o :haha:

In the chilean thread SOLO SE HABLA ESPAÑOL. :p

No insults :haha:

Good idea of the ice rink. :yeah:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 02:25 AM
only good Spanish? :scratch:

I guess you'll have to translate my msg for me then :devil:

the ice rink is a great idea

and I have found teh mod forum. so no more whining here about mods :devil:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 02:31 AM
only good Spanish? :scratch:

I guess you'll have to translate my msg for me then :devil:

the ice rink is a great idea

and I have found teh mod forum. so no more whining here about mods :devil:

No, we only speak spanish, but you can speak bad spanish and we'll accept you. :p Ask Jelena and Gu. :wavey:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 02:34 AM
good = non-insulting :p

weeeeell I can understand a little bit, but I can't say anything except "donde el gato?" and I don't even think that's correct :o :rolls:

Jelena and Gu speak bad espanol? :lol:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 02:40 AM
good = non-insulting :p

weeeeell I can understand a little bit, but I can't say anything except "donde el gato?" and I don't even think that's correct :o :rolls:

Jelena and Gu speak bad espanol? :lol:

Bad spanish is bad spelling not bad words :lol: but we understand what you are saying :rolls: But if you say: "FERNANDO GONZALEZ ES UN HIJO DE PUTA" we are going to kill you :haha: :haha: :haha:

"Donde el Gato" isn't correct, probably you are saying: "Donde ESTÁ el Gato?", you missed the verb :lol: but i can't be a good spanish teacher cause i know little english to explain you :haha:

Both Jelena and Gu has problems with the verbs too, but we understand both, but thesedays the chilean thread is almost dead, only me, Jelena, Albop and ClaudiuS post in there. :haha:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 02:45 AM
Bad spanish is bad spelling not bad words :lol: but we understand what you are saying :rolls: But if you say: "FERNANDO GONZALEZ ES UN HIJO DE PUTA" we are going to kill you :haha: :haha: :haha:

"Donde el Gato" isn't correct, probably you are saying: "Donde ESTÁ el Gato?", you missed the verb :lol: but i can't be a good spanish teacher cause i know little english to explain you :haha:

Both Jelena and Gu has problems with the verbs too, but we understand both, but thesedays the chilean thread is almost dead, only me, Jelena, Albop and ClaudiuS post in there. :haha:

:haha: Fernando Gonzalez is a PoS? :p (I have filo background, so Spanish isn't completely foreign to me. and I did 4 years of french :p)

:lol: I thought something was missing. I better call my dad out on that one :o :lol: Well you know enough english to talk to me and argue, so its good enough. :p

:lol: well then you wouldn't mind if a :retard: poster with knowledge of 0.56 spanish words posts in there will you? :haha: :haha: :haha:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 02:50 AM
:haha: Fernando Gonzalez is a PoS? :p (I have filo background, so Spanish isn't completely foreign to me. and I did 4 years of french :p)

:lol: I thought something was missing. I better call my dad out on that one :o :lol: Well you know enough english to talk to me and argue, so its good enough. :p

:lol: well then you wouldn't mind if a :retard: poster with knowledge of 0.56 spanish words posts in there will you? :haha: :haha: :haha:

I have a 0,1 knowledge of english too. :wavey:

My spelling is horrible. But thank god you understand me. :lol:

And hey, this thread went a "bit" :topic:

We agree in Gonzo isn't a underachiever. :devil:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 02:52 AM
I have a 0,1 knowledge of english too. :wavey:

My spelling is horrible. But thank god you understand me. :lol:

And hey, this thread went a "bit" :topic:

We agree in Gonzo isn't a underachiever. :devil:

again with the commas :ras:

thank God indeed :p

yes it did. as a future GMOAT I'll have to call you out on that one :p

Yes. Yes we do.

And at the same time you like Gonzo. And I hate him :devil:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 02:59 AM
again with the commas :ras:

thank God indeed :p

yes it did. as a future GMOAT I'll have to call you out on that one :p

Yes. Yes we do.

And at the same time you like Gonzo. And I hate him :devil:

The good players have haters, that means Gonzo is a good player. :lol:

You hate him cause he's a brainless ball basher? a cheater? a fixer? a mug? a choker? a southamerican? waxed guy? breaks many racquets? That's many of the quotes i've read in my 4 years here in MTF about Gonzo's faults. :lol:

GMOAT? Greatest MUG of All Time? :confused:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 03:02 AM
The good players have haters, that means Gonzo is a good player. :lol:

You hate him cause he's a brainless ball basher? a cheater? a fixer? a mug? a choker? a southamerican? waxed guy? breaks many racquets? That's many of the quotes i've read in my 4 years here in MTF about Gonzo's faults. :lol:

GMOAT? Greatest MUG of All Time? :confused:

:lol: fine. i'll concede he gets far enough for such "gamesmanship" to capture the world's imagination.

cheater :p I could rant for ages but I'll just cite 3 events

DC vs Blake

2008 Olympics v Blake

2009 AO v Hewitt

That's it :p And of course you know what I'm thinking on each point :p

I think 99% of MTF think it means Mug. But you and I know what I really mean :aplot:

Smoke944
02-10-2009, 03:05 AM
I have a 0,1 knowledge of english too. :wavey:

My spelling is horrible. But thank god you understand me. :lol:

And hey, this thread went a "bit" :topic:

We agree in Gonzo isn't a underachiever. :devil:

Your English is really good, honestly :)
My Spanish on the other hand :p

Tankman
02-10-2009, 03:06 AM
yeah that's what I'm saying

his 0.1% of english >>>>>>> my 0.56 words of spanish :o

:rolls:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 03:08 AM
:lol: fine. i'll concede he gets far enough for such "gamesmanship" to capture the world's imagination.

cheater :p I could rant for ages but I'll just cite 3 events

DC vs Blake

2008 Olympics v Blake

2009 AO v Hewitt

That's it :p And of course you know what I'm thinking on each point :p

I think 99% of MTF think it means Mug. But you and I know what I really mean :aplot:

Only 3 times and you call him a cheater? Oh come on, i followed all his carrer and he lost some matches for the same sh*t, well i understand you don't like him. Fair enough, i don't want to fight with you, we'll never agree or you want to BUMP the Gonzo d. Blake thread in the Olympics. :wavey: :haha:

About mug word :aplot: :haha:

Tankman
02-10-2009, 03:10 AM
Only 3 times and you call him a cheater? Oh come on, i followed all his carrer and he lost some matches for the same sh*t, well i understand you don't like him. Fair enough, i don't want to fight with you, we'll never agree or you want to BUMP the Gonzo d. Blake thread in the Olympics. :wavey: :haha:

About mug word :aplot: :haha:

Um publicly most players cheat less than that :p

While I say I hate him on MTF, in RL if I met him I'd ask for his autograph. But not before I give him a good flaming about those three incidents :p

:lol: the mods should know what I'm talking about :p

EDIT: I also posted in that G d B thread and ended up having an existential debate w/Clydey :help: We also, like here, ended up agreeing w/o realising it :o

Thanos
02-10-2009, 03:20 AM
yes he was a junior roland garros champion, he had his shot at 2003 and choked.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-10-2009, 03:21 AM
his 0.1% of english >>>>>>> my 0.56 words of spanish. I'm joking man :rolls: :o

Gonzo's cheat? Probably southamerican "quickness" :devil: Ask Coria, the master of that trick :lol:

I recognize that G d. B match made me cry like Fed in the AO, was so emotional for chilean fans, i believe if the point of the discussion was a MP i understand you, but James had many chances and did not take it.

Tankman
02-10-2009, 03:22 AM
sleight of hand? :p

yeah. well everyone knows what I think of James and his (WTA) mentality :help: :p

tennishero
02-10-2009, 11:15 AM
i don't see how he's underachieved. his current achievements are reasonable considering his game. he hasn't shown the consistency or ability to be a top player which in general sums up most of the players in the top 60-10. Nalbandian on the other hand has the ability and consistency at times to be the best and has shown it on a number of occasions, however for different reasons he's always fallen short.

Stgobaiano
02-19-2009, 05:05 AM
Crapzalez is a huge asshole and his game sucks.

Hope this help.

Ivanatis
02-19-2009, 05:07 AM
Crapzalez is a huge asshole and his game sucks.

Hope this help.

:lol:

btw he's no underachiever

Stgobaiano
02-19-2009, 05:11 AM
:lol:

btw he's no underachiever

Of course no, he is the most overachiver player after Blake and Roddick.

For me the most underachivers players are Marat and Nalbandian.

Ivanatis
02-19-2009, 05:47 PM
Blake an overachiever? I'm not sure with this one. He didn't reach a GS-semi, did he? But this is probably not the right place to discuss Blake.

sammy01
02-19-2009, 06:49 PM
no, i think given his backhand and serve hes done really well to have a grand slam final to his name. more complete players will never have such an honour.