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Fascinating Rotterdam for NADAL

Stefanos13
02-07-2009, 06:42 PM
Difficult draw for Nadal: potentially many hard court specialists in his way.

To reach the final: Bolelli > Berdych > Tsonga > Davydenko or Monfils > Simon or Murray

The tournament attracted some strong field, so curious to see how Nadal faces them indoors!

NinaNina19
02-07-2009, 06:46 PM
Yeah because it's going to be Simon or Murray. Hopefully Murray wipes the floor with him although this is a slow court so I'm not expecting anything. Plus Murray will probably tank his first round to go to Dubai.

Bilbo
02-07-2009, 06:46 PM
indoors is rafa's worst surface. will be tough for him.

miura
02-07-2009, 06:47 PM
Nadal is on a high, only Murray on form can challenge him. Simon is a headcase.

Ivanatis
02-07-2009, 06:48 PM
not as tough as it looks
Tsonga might withdraw and Davydenko won't be a threat (yet)

PiggyGotRoasted
02-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Tsonga on form will beat nadal, as will davydenko but he is out of match practice.

HattonWBA
02-07-2009, 06:58 PM
Yh really tough draw for Rafa

Sapeod
02-07-2009, 07:05 PM
Rafa is gonna be knackered by the time he plays the French Open. He should have withdrawed from the tournament. He is playing Dubai after this isn't he. Then there's a bunch of clay court tournaments that he's playing. Then French Open. It's going to be tough for him through this time of year if he plays what he played last year.

ReturnWinner
02-07-2009, 07:15 PM
Berdych can take him out on indoor, anyway maybe the surface will not be very fast and i remember Krajicek saying he'd put balls which suit Nadals game..

Christoph123
02-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Hoping for a Nadal - Murray Final, With Murray Taking it.

Certinfy
02-07-2009, 09:31 PM
I think im dreaming. xD

fred perry
02-07-2009, 10:10 PM
Nadal should seriously just quit. :wavey:

Certinfy
02-07-2009, 10:12 PM
Can anyone post full draw plz, or link it?

fast_clay
02-07-2009, 10:26 PM
Nadal will get beat early here... like last year... Berdych probably...

Tess Gray
02-07-2009, 11:42 PM
Can anyone post full draw plz, or link it?

http://www.ahoy.nl/docs/abnamrowtt/X0802.pdf

:wavey:

MalwareDie
02-07-2009, 11:49 PM
Isn't the surface slow?

l_mac
02-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Rafa fans will certainly be shedding bucket loads of tears if he fails to win Rotterdam.

:haha:

AO Champ :rocker2:

Tankman
02-07-2009, 11:52 PM
have I said how much I HATE Rotterdam? Cos atm it is driving me :cuckoo: :silly:

having said that, I couldn't give a flying fuck if Nadal won the whole thing or died in the first set of his first match.

guga2120
02-08-2009, 12:02 AM
I am suprised he is playing this, I would think he would just play Dubai.

Murray should win this tournament, no matter who is in the final.

ys
02-08-2009, 12:04 AM
I am not sure I understand why he is even playing this.. What's a point.. :confused:

ys
02-08-2009, 12:05 AM
I am suprised he is playing this, I would think he would just play Dubai.

:lol: the same thought twice within 2 minutes.. :wavey:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-08-2009, 12:25 AM
Hhhhmmm i'd not suprised if he tanks for Dubai :p

l_mac
02-08-2009, 12:39 AM
They have to play 4 500s a season, and he gets many $$$ for Rotterdam :shrug:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-08-2009, 12:40 AM
They have to play 4 500s a season, and he gets many $$$ for Rotterdam :shrug:

He will Rotterdam, Dubai, Barcelona and ??????

Stuttgart? :confused:

l_mac
02-08-2009, 12:41 AM
He will Rotterdam, Dubai, Barcelona and ??????

Stuttgart? :confused:

No, doesn't one have to be after the USO?

Maybe he will just take the 0 points.

ChinoRios4Ever
02-08-2009, 12:45 AM
No, doesn't one have to be after the USO?

Maybe he will just take the 0 points.

I don't think so, Valencia is a 500 indoors before Bercy. :p

When i said Stuttgart i'm wrong, Stuttgart it's only a 250, Hamburg is a 500.

rafa_maniac
02-08-2009, 01:34 AM
I doubt Rafa cares much more about this tournament than I do :lol: So hopefully a tank in the singles and a title run in the doubles :rocker2:

oranges
02-08-2009, 01:52 AM
I doubt Rafa cares much more about this tournament than I do :lol: So hopefully a tank in the singles and a title run in the doubles :rocker2:

:lol: That would be one smart strategic tank, to be repeated in Dubai

FedFan_2007
02-08-2009, 02:01 AM
If Federer fails to apply pressure, I can easily see Rafa skipping 2 500 events. If Roger doesn't care about the #1 ranking anymore, that is a double bonus for Nadal. That way he can play less events, and be fresher for the big events. Thus, increasing his chances to beat anyone on hardcourts and easily defends his clay season.

Oh, and he takes Rotterdam in straight sets. Come on people, there will be problems here.

Ivanatis
02-08-2009, 02:06 AM
There's a week free between Rotterdam and Dubai, isn't it? so no need to tank

out_here_grindin
02-08-2009, 03:12 AM
Nadal is on a high, only Murray on form can challenge him. Simon is a headcase.


um not at all.

Stefanos13
02-08-2009, 04:01 AM
um not at all.

Agreed. In fact all of his prospective matches will be a challenge. Including the first one funnily enough

moon language
02-08-2009, 04:04 AM
I think he'll make a good effort but he's going to stop at 90% and accept a loss if the going gets tough rather than the 100% he put out in the last two rounds of the AO.

Langers
02-08-2009, 04:09 AM
There's a week free between Rotterdam and Dubai, isn't it? so no need to tank
Exactly. I don't get why people are suggesting he will tank. :confused:

alfonsojose
02-08-2009, 04:13 AM
Dc counts as a 500, right?

alfonsojose
02-08-2009, 04:15 AM
Exactly. I don't get why people are suggesting he will tank. :confused:
No more crying finalists until CryingFed in RG :devil:

Stefanos13
02-08-2009, 04:22 AM
Dc counts as a 500, right?

yes. And he has to play at least 4 in a year

HarryMan
02-08-2009, 04:26 AM
I am not sure I agree with him to play such meaningless tournaments (a week after you have won your first hard court slam). And besides he could have easily participated in one of the clay events, should he wanted some match practise.

Although, I think, I respect him more that he would rather play on his weaker surfaces and try to win them than getting those cheap, easy points by just entering those South American clay court events and ripping apart the competition.

Stefanos13
02-08-2009, 04:33 AM
I am not sure I agree with him to play such meaningless tournaments (a week after you have won your first hard court slam). And besides he could have easily participated in one of the clay events, should he wanted some match practise.

Although, I think, I respect him more that he would rather play on his weaker surfaces and try to win them than getting those cheak, easy points by just entering those South American clay court events and ripping apart the competition.

I don't think you are right:
a) it's not a meaningless tournament. It counts as a 500 tournament (more important that Queens)
b) he wouldn't want to mix clay and hard during the hard-court season; ie, he shouldn't play on clay now and then hard again in Dubai a couple of weeks later

HarryMan
02-08-2009, 04:54 AM
I don't think you are right:
a) it's not a meaningless tournament. It counts as a 500 tournament (more important that Queens)
b) he wouldn't want to mix clay and hard during the hard-court season; ie, he shouldn't play on clay now and then hard again in Dubai a couple of weeks later

Sorry, if I sounded rude, but what I really meant was, the tournament is meanlingless to someone who has just won a slam on hard courts a week back. It has a good amount of points, no doubt about that and is something any player would love to win. But is it necessary for someone with a slam under his belt, a week ago, to even play?

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the clay events in South America have the same points as well? so I mean, why not enter those two events (while skipping Rotterdam and Dubai), and enter the MS events in the US, before the clay court season begins. Not only will be add two more titles under his belt, get a bit of match practise, at a cost of not wearing himself out.

But maybe he feels physically very fit (since he has entered the doubles event as well)..

fast_clay
02-08-2009, 05:30 AM
I think he'll make a good effort but he's going to stop at 90% and accept a loss if the going gets tough rather than the 100% he put out in the last two rounds of the AO.

yeah i agree that nadal has a questionable heart... its called a 'semi-tank' in the industry, a kind of masked effort, a cynical take the money and run... losing to tsonga in the qf's wont be a tank though...

moon language
02-08-2009, 07:46 AM
yeah i agree that nadal has a questionable heart... its called a 'semi-tank' in the industry, a kind of masked effort, a cynical take the money and run... losing to tsonga in the qf's wont be a tank though...

i don't really think it's about the money it's some points and getting a 500 out of the way

moon language
02-08-2009, 07:48 AM
Exactly. I don't get why people are suggesting he will tank. :confused:

because he'd like to have working knees come august

Certinfy
02-08-2009, 11:49 AM
http://www.ahoy.nl/docs/abnamrowtt/X0802.pdf

:wavey:Thx mate!

Bazooka
02-08-2009, 11:59 AM
He will play Rotterdam, Dubai, Barcelona and Queens.

No need to tank this, just play as good as he can without using his superpowers. If that's enough to win, fine.

Commander Data
02-08-2009, 05:13 PM
Nadal never tanks. He is unable to do so by some genetic mutation.

bluefork
02-08-2009, 05:31 PM
Nadal never tanks. He is unable to do so by some genetic mutation.

I agree with this.

Foxy
02-08-2009, 06:05 PM
Nadal never tanks. He is unable to do so by some genetic mutation.

Nope, he tried so hard to tank AO but Verdasco and the current N2 didn't let him do it.

TheBoiledEgg
02-08-2009, 06:22 PM
why is he gonna tank when he's gonna get spanked

Krajicek......... :rolleyes: should be putting down pingpong balls for this tourn, not melons

Jōris
02-08-2009, 07:35 PM
Yeah because it's going to be Simon or Murray. Hopefully Murray wipes the floor with him although this is a slow court so I'm not expecting anything. Plus Murray will probably tank his first round to go to Dubai.

If Murray tanks I will stop supporting him and I shall take it upon myself to flame you, as the main Muzztard, whenever I feel the urge.

ORGASMATRON
02-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Interesting...

ORGASMATRON
02-08-2009, 08:17 PM
Nadal never tanks. He is unable to do so by some genetic mutation.

Lol nice wording.

l_mac
02-08-2009, 08:19 PM
Nope, he tried so hard to tank AO but Verdasco and the current N2 didn't let him do it.

:rolleyes:

fast_clay
02-08-2009, 08:31 PM
i don't really think it's about the money it's some points and getting a 500 out of the way

its a shame players have to tank sometimes... but, i do agree with it 100%... ATP systems suck testicle... it'll be harder to hide a tank this year after coming off the caning tsonga dishes out in the AO last year... i was at this tournament last year, and will be again this year... but, i'm not expecting him to in the draw when i turn up...

Tankman
02-08-2009, 08:32 PM
Nope, he tried so hard to tank AO but Verdasco and the current N2 didn't let him do it.

:haha: :haha:

:p

l_mac
02-08-2009, 08:36 PM
it'll be harder to hide a tank this year after coming off the caning tsonga dishes out in the AO last year...

He's beaten Tsonga since :rolleyes:

I think "tank" is the wrong word. But I think you often see the top players lose matches you maybe wouldn't see them lose at another time of the year. :)

For example, I don't think Rafa tanked against Seppi last year, he just played an awful two sets. But I would be surprised to see him lose concentration like that at a Slam, or even a MS.

shotgun
02-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Krajicek......... :rolleyes: should be putting down pingpong balls for this tourn, not melons

:lol:

He would opt for medicine balls if he could.

http://www.robbinssports.com/sporting-goods-store/images/everlast-boxing-leather-medicine-ball-core-training.jpg

fast_clay
02-08-2009, 08:54 PM
He's beaten Tsonga since :rolleyes:


i understand that dearest... just, well, after coming off an AO victory it'll be tough for him to hide bad form now... it was understandable to exit the tournament so early last year as tsonga really questioned nadal's seeding and general ability at the 08 AO semi... like... i know nadal clearly tanked rotterdam last year just like you do... but, an early exit again this year will raise eyebrows...

these are not allegations you would level at Andy Murray... who would obviously make a good tradesman... you hire this bloke to nail some stiffs for you during the week... and he'll do it all week long... doesnt matter where... not only that, he'll bring his portable lathe and extend his matches out for the tournament director... real value for money this prick... and not even a flash of plumbers crack from the lad... he's got respect... top shelf... murray is such a weapon these days that he doesnt mind ripping himself a new hole during a match, just so long as the other guy has two new ones just like it...

Truc
02-08-2009, 09:26 PM
Krajicek......... :rolleyes: should be putting down pingpong balls for this tourn, not melonsI was just watching a report about Murray in Rotterdam and he says on the contrary that the balls are very fast this year. He laughs when the journalist says the conditions were supposed to suit Nadal. He says the court was incredibly slow last year, but now it's really fast with a pretty low bounce.
http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-476434/category/sport/ (the part about the balls starts around 0'40)

l_mac
02-08-2009, 09:43 PM
So Krajicek has trate Rafa :mad:

:lol:

Henry Chinaski
02-08-2009, 09:49 PM
I was just watching a report about Murray in Rotterdam and he says on the contrary that the balls are very fast this year. He laughs when the journalist says the conditions were supposed to suit Nadal. He says the court was incredibly slow last year, but now it's really fast with a pretty low bounce.
http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-476434/category/sport/ (the part about the balls starts around 0'40)

interesting. thanks for this.

TNX1.0E6TOPCA
02-08-2009, 10:54 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/2009rotterdam.jpg

oranges
02-08-2009, 10:56 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/2009rotterdam.jpg

:lol: Yummy

l_mac
02-08-2009, 10:56 PM
:lol:

Who does Tomas have in R1? That Superkid?

Forehander
02-09-2009, 12:38 AM
If Berdych can play aggressively he will take out pretty much anybody.

guga2120
02-09-2009, 01:29 AM
If Berdych can play aggressively he will take out pretty much anybody.

Murray will carve him up into little pieces.

peterparker
02-09-2009, 02:54 AM
i understand that dearest... just, well, after coming off an AO victory it'll be tough for him to hide bad form now... it was understandable to exit the tournament so early last year as tsonga really questioned nadal's seeding and general ability at the 08 AO semi... like... i know nadal clearly tanked rotterdam last year just like you do... ..

Nadal did not tank last year at rotterdam. He lost to seppi in the same way he lost to simon later in the year.

"Questioned nadal's general ability?" strong words. nadal was ~ an average SF on hard courts entering the AO last year, yes he wanted to better, but overall it was a fine showing.

Wojtek
02-09-2009, 06:59 AM
Rotterdam was quite fast. It will be tough for Nadal.

Mimi
02-09-2009, 07:08 AM
:worship: great work Interlaken

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/2009rotterdam.jpg

Foxy
02-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Last year I remember it was Greenset. Now it is Decoturf. For sure they have changed it. We shall see in the first few matches what the speed and bounces are. I don't quite believe Murray since he said AO was very high bouncing???

Certinfy
02-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Lol nice pic of Berdych.

Aenea
02-10-2009, 12:44 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/mypixforum/2009rotterdam.jpg

:haha:

What an amazing farseer :lol: Remind me not to bet on your picks

Yves.
02-10-2009, 01:03 PM
Difficult draw for Nadal: potentially many hard court specialists in his way.

To reach the final: Bolelli > Berdych > Tsonga > Davydenko or Monfils > Simon or Murray

The tournament attracted some strong field, so curious to see how Nadal faces them indoors!

:haha:

Lopaka
02-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Scratch Berdych from the possible Rafa stumbling blocks. Tomas went down to Dimitrov 4/6 6/3 6/4

oranges
02-10-2009, 01:13 PM
:haha:

Have you managed to change your pick for the match without anyone noticing? :angel:

Stefanos13
02-10-2009, 01:16 PM
:haha:

I said 'potentially' :)

Bazooka
02-10-2009, 02:43 PM
I can't really see why everybody thought Berdych would be a problem for Nadal.

He spanked him hard in their last HC meeting, and since then it's obvious who is in better form. In fact the Marvel Boy can be more of a threat, but I doubt anyone not familiar with the topspin effect from the Majorcan can do anything more than survive for a while, watching how he hits one UE after another.