Zagreb R2: Stakhovsky def Karlovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-3) [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Zagreb R2: Stakhovsky def Karlovic (6-4, 3-6, 6-3)

jonathancrane
02-05-2009, 05:00 PM
Again in 3 sets
90% winning on 1st serve :worship:

TankingTheSet
02-05-2009, 05:02 PM
A one week wonder. Same week every year.

shotgun
02-05-2009, 05:03 PM
Stakhovsky to defend his title? :lol:

ImmzB
02-05-2009, 05:04 PM
again lol

finishingmove
02-05-2009, 05:11 PM
hehe

JMG
02-05-2009, 05:12 PM
:woohoo:

CooCooCachoo
02-05-2009, 05:40 PM
Keep it up Sergiy :banana:

No tie-break :eek:

PiggyGotRoasted
02-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Stakhovsky in Zagreb is like Igor in russia.

betowiec
02-05-2009, 05:58 PM
stakhou$e

Chris Seahorse
02-05-2009, 06:13 PM
2 down, 3 three to go. Keep it going Sergiy. :bounce:

Bilbo
02-05-2009, 06:15 PM
expected one

GlennMirnyi
02-05-2009, 06:20 PM
Great stuff Sergiy you legend.

Win this once again. :)

iSzavay.
02-05-2009, 07:53 PM
:woohoo:

Repeat :lol:

Certinfy
02-05-2009, 08:19 PM
Stakhovsky is getting better and better everytime i see him!

Come on defend your title dude.

petar_pan
02-05-2009, 08:45 PM
i am glad,now cilic will win this tournament more easy.

Machiavelli
02-06-2009, 06:44 AM
Thank you Stakhovsky for defeating this useless mug, but the semifinal is teh furthest he can go, it is an obvious Cilic-Ancic final, has to be....

HattonWBA
02-06-2009, 08:09 AM
Yes, Love it when this serve only bad loser Karlovic goes out, well done sergiy

Yves.
02-06-2009, 08:11 AM
Thank you Stakhovsky for defeating this useless mug, but the semifinal is teh furthest he can go, it is an obvious Cilic-Ancic final, has to be....

You think Karlovic is a useless mug, as a Croat you say that? He has won four titles and beaten Federer and Djokovic! You can't denie that! I know he's mentally not the strongest, and not too consistent, but he's NOT a useless mug!!!!

malisha
02-06-2009, 10:25 AM
You think Karlovic is a useless mug, as a Croat you say that? He has won four titles and beaten Federer and Djokovic! You can't denie that! I know he's mentally not the strongest, and not too consistent, but he's NOT a useless mug!!!!

:drink::drink::drink:

CrossCourt13
02-06-2009, 10:30 AM
You think Karlovic is a useless mug, as a Croat you say that? He has won four titles and beaten Federer and Djokovic! You can't denie that! I know he's mentally not the strongest, and not too consistent, but he's NOT a useless mug!!!!

I would disagree with the "not mentally strong" remark.
I actually consider him one of the tougher ones out there. He recently said every time he goes out on court he expects a tight match, decided by a few points in the TBs. Who could live with that pressure, and win so many of them if not mentally strong.
The thing him choking sometimes is cause he isn't very confident when playing a guy who can put some returns in consistently and play a smart game when the rallies get going.
He then goes for too much (he is forced to) and it looks bad.

And the reasons behind him underachieving on big events would be imo:

1. his opponents are much more focused, patient when playing him on a GS or Masters series event rather a MM tournament
2. in a best of 5 match players don't feel pressured as much as they have more "time" and him having that poor record when it goes to 5 is greatly cause of that "time" his opponents have to adjust to his serve/game

I like Karlo, but his scale of easy or tough opponents isn't the ATP ranking lis, it's all about matchups with him so that's why he has so many "weird" results ( wins and losses)

Voo de Mar
02-06-2009, 12:20 PM
Karlovic doesn't improve second serve, it's the weakest shot in his repertoir IMO. 30 cm shorter Nalbandian has much more effective 2nd serve. Actually Karlovic is easy to beat when his 1st serve % is low. Then is only a matter for a reciever to move Ivo around the court with long flat balls or slices. If the ball is short, Ivo attacks with forehand and goes to the net - it's his the only way to gain points on 2nd serve against good baseliners.

Henry Chinaski
02-06-2009, 12:45 PM
where did Ivo finish last year in points won on 2nd serve?

are old Ricoh match facts available online anywhere?

GlennMirnyi
02-06-2009, 01:28 PM
Karlovic doesn't improve second serve, it's the weakest shot in his repertoir IMO. 30 cm shorter Nalbandian has much more effective 2nd serve. Actually Karlovic is easy to beat when his 1st serve % is low. Then is only a matter for a reciever to move Ivo around the court with long flat balls or slices. If the ball is short, Ivo attacks with forehand and goes to the net - it's his the only way to gain points on 2nd serve against good baseliners.

Hmmmm no way.

You could've used better examples. Roddick's second serve, for instance.

Nalbandian is the DF king.

Voo de Mar
02-06-2009, 01:36 PM
Hmmmm no way.

You could've used better examples. Roddick's second serve, for instance.

Nalbandian is the DF king.

It's a calculated tactics. I prefer the tactics of guys (Nalbandian, Djokovic, Verdasco, Kiefer) who risk 2nd serve and make more double faults than a 2nd conservative serve of Karlovic. I've used Fat Dave because he's much more shorter than Karlovic. It isn't Roddick's case because he is also clearly taller than Nalbandian.

GlennMirnyi
02-06-2009, 05:51 PM
Verdasco doesn't risk 2nd serves. He just doesn't trust the shot at all. Have you ever seen him hit a really good serve on 2nd serve?

Kiefer, okay. But that's mostly when he's being outplayed from the back.

Nalbandian has a shit 1st and 2nd serve...

Djokovic only risks 2nd serves when he's ahead.

Voo de Mar
02-06-2009, 06:36 PM
Verdasco doesn't risk 2nd serves. He just doesn't trust the shot at all. Have you ever seen him hit a really good serve on 2nd serve?

Kiefer, okay. But that's mostly when he's being outplayed from the back.

Nalbandian has a shit 1st and 2nd serve...

Djokovic only risks 2nd serves when he's ahead.

I see it differently.

Verdasco is able to serve 2nd serve in a difficult moment with characteristic speed but with bigger kick what costs him (especially in the past) double faults. I think he lost because of it, his last epic against Nadal...
But when the ball comes back after that serve, he's a player who dictates the baseline rally.

IMO Kiefer and Nalbandian have similar ability to risk 2nd serve at 30-40. It's a kick serve (faster than Verdasco's one) on backhand side of the right-handed opponent. It opens the angles to finish the point in one or two ground-strokes. Kiefer in his prime time, used to go to the net after that 2nd serve, I suppose it was Bob Brett's strategy.

Djokovic does what I really like - 1st-2nd serve. It isn't true he does it only being ahead. Unfortunately I can give you at the moment only one example - his US Open quarterfinal against Moya. He served 1st-2nd serve in the tie-break at setpoint down, and won that set.
Del Potro did it at the Australian Open, and fucked it twice, but without consequence, because won both matches when his 1st-2nd serve cost him losing a set.