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Nadal: "Federer still greatest"

jonathancrane
02-04-2009, 11:28 AM
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=57&ContentID=122637

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Humble champion Rafael Nadal refuses to believe he has Roger Federer’s number despite continuing his grand slam dominance over the so-called greatest player ever.

Nadal’s gripping 7-5 3-6 7-6 (7-3) 3-6 6-2 Australian Open final triumph on Sunday night not only denied Federer a record-equalling 14th career major but also took the 22-year-old’s own tally to six.

The Spaniard has taken just 20 tournaments to accrue his half-dozen, with only Bjorn Borg, who needed 18 events, stacking up his first six slams in quicker fashion.

Nadal also joined Andre Agassi as the only other man in the 41-year open era to land majors on three different surfaces – clay, grass and hard courts – after posting his fifth consecutive victory over his demoralised Swiss rival.

Still, yesterday the modest Mallorcan was perhaps the only man in Melbourne not wondering whether he – not Federer – was the player treading the path to tennis immortality.

“Right now he has 56 titles, something like this. I have 32,” Nadal said.

“So it’s a lot different. He has 13 grand slams. I have six.

“The Masters Cup, he has won four. I have not won one. So there’s no discussion.

“I say right now Roger is the best because he has all these titles. Maybe later (I can be).

“The rankings show I was the best player in the last year. That’s the truth. But I am not the best player, ok.”

Almost embarrassed to be rated in the Swiss’s esteemed company, Nadal attributes his winning streak over Federer – including victories in the French, Wimbledon and now the Australian Open finals – to little more than good fortune on the day.

“Matches between (the numbers) one and two players in the world always must be close, no?” he said.

“The last few times I beat him – but he beat me two years ago in the Masters Cup in Shanghai 6-4 6-0, something like this – but all the matches are decided by a few things.

“I don’t know if it’s mental but I think he is a winner. He has shown the world he is one of the tougher players mentally.”

With only a US Open missing from his CV, Nadal also disputes Mats Wilander’s assertion that he is closer to completing the career grand slam before Federer, who must somehow find a way to end the Spaniard’s utterly dominant four-year reign in Paris.

“Roger played the last three years in the final at Roland Garros and the semi-finals in 2005, so for sure he’s going to be one of the big favourites to win that,” Nadal said, surely bluffing now.

“For sure it’s easier to win one title like Roland Garros for Roger than me winning the grand slam. That’s no competition.”

Nadal said although reigning in New York was now a major season goal, he said it would be far more difficult than winning on the Australian Open hard courts.

“The conditions are a little bit worse for my game than here in Australia,” he said.

“Here, the ball is jumping a little bit more. The US Open ball is more flat. Here, you can play with a little bit more topspin.”

Admitting to have been “dizzy” with excitement after becoming the first Spaniard to win the Open, Nadal said he owed Federer a lot for always improving his already brilliant game.

“That’s a good model for us and I try to imitate that,” he said. “You have to be humble to try to continue to improve.”

In a frightening prospect for his challengers, Nadal believed he didn’t normally hit his straps until about three months into a new season and that he also planned to significantly improve his serve, backhand, volley and all-round aggression.

“If you lose your illusion to improve, you are over, no? If one day I lose the illusion to improve, I’m going to go back home and have a boat and fish,” he said.

That may be some time away, though, judging by the fascinating response Nadal provided when asked what made him tick.

“I love to win,” he said.

“I love the competition. Not only in tennis, I love the competition in all aspects of life.

“When I compete, I love to be there and fight for win. Maybe I love more the fight to win, than (to) win.”
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I believe he's capable of say in RG that Fed is the fav for the title :lol:

The last sentence is really great

JolánGagó
02-04-2009, 11:39 AM
Im starting to get Rafa's sarcasm and Im really loving it :haha:

Brilliant response to the whinny delusional Swiss diva :lol:

finishingmove
02-04-2009, 11:40 AM
:lol:

jonathancrane
02-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Im starting to get Rafa's sarcasm and Im really loving it :haha:



I don't think it's sarcasm, it's a way of avoid the pressure.

Matt01
02-04-2009, 11:54 AM
Nadal has a point...of course Federer is still greater than Nadal overall...that doesn't change the fact that Nadal is currently a better player than Fed...


I don't think it's sarcasm, it's a way of avoid the pressure.


I think it's rather honesty and modesty...that's how Rafa's personality is like.

Chris Seahorse
02-04-2009, 11:57 AM
Nadal fully understands how much easier competing is when you have the mindset of being the chaser rather than the chasee. Some posters have questioned whether Nadal really does believe all his praise of Federer. I think he does. He allows himself to believe all this because at the end of the day it is in his best interest to do so. Nadal is as smart as they come in terms of going on court with right mindset.

Federer on the other hand has to much pride to allow himself to ever see himself as the chaser. Instead he goes into these matches with the weight of the world on his shoulders. And all he needs to do to relieve the pressure would be to say "right now Nadal is better than me, he is a very tough matchup for me and I will have to play my best to even have a chance against him." Yet his pride won't let him.

Classic case of smart mature tennis player vs not so bright immature player. Is it any surprise who is winning these contests?

Doggy
02-04-2009, 11:58 AM
so classy in his interviews. no wonder serena doesn't like him.

Stefwhit
02-04-2009, 11:58 AM
^well that's smart, why put extra pressure on yourself when you dont have to. And the way he goes about it you really can't argue with him, brilliant.

Matt01
02-04-2009, 12:05 PM
so classy in his interviews. no wonder serena doesn't like him.


She doesn't?

Stefwhit
02-04-2009, 12:10 PM
so classy in his interviews. no wonder serena doesn't like him.
An excerpt from her interview after winning Oz.

Q. How do you see the men's final?

SERENA WILLIAMS: I don't know. I mean, I'm really big fans of both Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who to say and who to pick.

I would love to see Rafa do well because I just ‑‑ I don't think he's won this tournament. ... I'm just a big fan of both of them.

I think I want their autographs.

GuiroNl
02-04-2009, 12:11 PM
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=57&ContentID=122637

Nadal also joined Andre Agassi as the only other man in the 41-year open era to land majors on three different surfaces – clay, grass and hard courts – after posting his fifth consecutive victory over his demoralised Swiss rival.



Awesome research by the journalist :rolleyes:

jonathancrane
02-04-2009, 12:21 PM
Awesome research by the journalist :rolleyes:

:lol:

Poor Wilander

rafa_maniac
02-04-2009, 12:47 PM
Well he's right, he has got a long way to get yet to match Federer's overall career achievements, which seems to be the focus of the article, but he does at least admit in a roundabout way that he's the best player in the world right now, which is a big step forward for Rafa :haha:

sawan66278
02-04-2009, 12:48 PM
Rafa enjoys the journey to victory; Roger enjoys the glory...and the opportunity to promote NetJets:devil:

delpiero7
02-04-2009, 12:51 PM
“When I compete, I love to be there and fight for win. Maybe I love more the fight to win, than (to) win.”


So obviously he was toying with Verdasco and Federer. He just felt like playing tough 5 setters ;)

wilmar
02-04-2009, 12:57 PM
but he does at least admit in a roundabout way that he's the best player in the world right now, which is a big step forward for Rafa :haha:

Indeed! ;)
And also at least he entertained openly the thought that he can be great also, "maybe later" :lol: that I don't think he's been vocal before.

That is Rafa, always taking it one step at a time and cautious in his ambitions. Believing in his ability but still always improving.

Rafa enjoys the journey to victory; Roger enjoys the glory...and the opportunity to promote NetJets:devil:

and we all learnt in school that what matters most is not the end result, but the process.

Rafa has grasp this concept very well for his tender years, while this still escapes Federer and hence he will still be in denial and delusion.

Andi-M
02-04-2009, 01:03 PM
I think Fed would find him patronising but he dosen't mean to be, he genuinley thinks Fed is goat, and he dosen't like to put pressure on himself by claiming he's no 1 and he's the best.

GuiroNl
02-04-2009, 01:25 PM
:lol:

Poor Wilander

And poor Connors ;)

jonathancrane
02-04-2009, 02:10 PM
And poor Connors ;)

True. And all 3 in the same tournament, no one can match that achievement

Manila ESQ
02-04-2009, 02:34 PM
I hope all his successes won't go to his head.

Manila ESQ
02-04-2009, 02:36 PM
True. And all 3 in the same tournament, no one can match that achievement

Of course! Unless they change surfaces again...

frenchie
02-04-2009, 02:43 PM
Rafa is 22 and Roger is 27

You need to stop underrating yourself!

Jaz
02-04-2009, 02:46 PM
Rafa is 22 and Roger is 27

You need to stop underrating yourself!

He's being modest, he know's he's the best (right now). But he also knows that Roger effectively dominated for years (and years) and is still the player to beat on all surfaces.

Chris Seahorse
02-04-2009, 02:50 PM
I think Fed would find him patronising but he dosen't mean to be, he genuinley thinks Fed is goat, and he dosen't like to put pressure on himself by claiming he's no 1 and he's the best.

Federer loves being patronised. I'm sure he would happily listen all day to people saying nice things about him.

A_Skywalker
02-04-2009, 03:02 PM
Federer loves being patronised. I'm sure he would happily listen all day to people saying nice things about him.

:lol:

l_mac
02-04-2009, 03:09 PM
“Roger played the last three years in the final at Roland Garros and the semi-finals in 2005, so for sure he’s going to be one of the big favourites to win that,” Nadal said, surely bluffing now.

“For sure it’s easier to win one title like Roland Garros for Roger than me winning the grand slam. That’s no competition.”


I believe he's capable of say in RG that Fed is the fav for the title :lol:

He said that Federer would be one of the favourites, and he's right. Apart from Nadal and Fed, who else is there?

And he's not wrong to say that Federer winning one RG title is more likely than him completing the calendar slam this year. :shrug:

Rafa is the only player ever to hold 3 Slam tiles on 3 different surfaces at the same time :worship: The press should be making more of that.

Jaz
02-04-2009, 03:15 PM
He said that Federer would be one of the favourites, and he's right. Apart from Nadal and Fed, who else is there?

And he's not wrong to say that Federer winning one RG title is more likely than him completing the calendar slam this year. :shrug:

Rafa is the only player ever to hold 3 Slam tiles on 3 different surfaces at the same time :worship: The press should be making more of that.

They don't want to because all players will want to turnout like Nadal, power power power, top-spin top-spin. Nadal matches are already boring to watch you know he will win the rally because he will simply out-spin and out-power his opponents. It's ugly.

I'm not saying Nadal is not a good players, he's exceptional. But God forbid if youngsters watching now all want to be mini-Nadals. Tennis will become very boring in 10-15 years.

Ginger
02-04-2009, 03:17 PM
Clean statement from Nadal.

Certinfy
02-04-2009, 03:19 PM
WOW... After all these threads Rafa is acting like Fed's mother.

Commander Data
02-04-2009, 03:23 PM
Nadal fully understands how much easier competing is when you have the mindset of being the chaser rather than the chasee. Some posters have questioned whether Nadal really does believe all his praise of Federer. I think he does. He allows himself to believe all this because at the end of the day it is in his best interest to do so. Nadal is as smart as they come in terms of going on court with right mindset.

Federer on the other hand has to much pride to allow himself to ever see himself as the chaser. Instead he goes into these matches with the weight of the world on his shoulders. And all he needs to do to relieve the pressure would be to say "right now Nadal is better than me, he is a very tough matchup for me and I will have to play my best to even have a chance against him." Yet his pride won't let him.

Classic case of smart mature tennis player vs not so bright immature player. Is it any surprise who is winning these contests?

I think you hit the nail on the head

zeleni
02-04-2009, 03:57 PM
It's Uncle Toni's good work speaking from Rafa. If Federer had someone to tell him: "Memento mori", he would be #1 again.

Uncle Toni is a very smart/canny man.

jonas
02-04-2009, 04:11 PM
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=57&ContentID=122637

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Nadal also joined Andre Agassi as the only other man in the 41-year open era to land majors on three different surfaces – clay, grass and hard courts – after posting his fifth consecutive victory over his demoralised Swiss rival.

This is incorrect.
Wilander also won on three different surfaces. US Open on hard court, FO at clay and AO at grass (pre 1987). I bet there is more players who achieved this...
I hate journalists who don't get the facts right. :rolleyes:

thrust
02-04-2009, 07:18 PM
This is incorrect.
Wilander also won on three different surfaces. US Open on hard court, FO at clay and AO at grass (pre 1987). I bet there is more players who achieved this...
I hate journalists who don't get the facts right. :rolleyes:

That journalist probably has never heard of Wilander.

ORGASMATRON
02-04-2009, 07:22 PM
Gotta love Rafa, the alliance still going strong :)

dylan24
02-04-2009, 07:59 PM
what a liar rafa is

FlameOn
02-04-2009, 08:04 PM
Nice. :D Rafa is just putting more pressure on Roger.

fgzhu88
02-04-2009, 08:41 PM
Nadal fully understands how much easier competing is when you have the mindset of being the chaser rather than the chasee. Some posters have questioned whether Nadal really does believe all his praise of Federer. I think he does. He allows himself to believe all this because at the end of the day it is in his best interest to do so. Nadal is as smart as they come in terms of going on court with right mindset.

Federer on the other hand has to much pride to allow himself to ever see himself as the chaser. Instead he goes into these matches with the weight of the world on his shoulders. And all he needs to do to relieve the pressure would be to say "right now Nadal is better than me, he is a very tough matchup for me and I will have to play my best to even have a chance against him." Yet his pride won't let him.

Classic case of smart mature tennis player vs not so bright immature player. Is it any surprise who is winning these contests?

That is a really insightful way of seeing it ....from the cognitive perspective of psychology, I like it!!! :D

safin-rules-no.1
02-04-2009, 08:42 PM
what about Virginia Wade????

Henry Kaspar
02-04-2009, 09:06 PM
Nadal also joined Andre Agassi as the only other man in the 41-year open era to land majors on three different surfaces – clay, grass and hard courts – after posting his fifth consecutive victory over his demoralised Swiss rival.

That's not true, is it? At least Connors and Wilander als won on three different surfaces.

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 09:19 PM
I'm not so impressed by Nadal winning on "3 different surfaces" since they slowed down the grass. I mean if someone did that in say 1995 that would have been HUGE. Now not so huge. However it's impressive winning 3 out of the last 4 for it's own sake. Grand slam events are tough to win regardless of how they've sped up/slowed down surfaces.

star
02-04-2009, 09:56 PM
That's not true, is it? At least Connors and Wilander als won on three different surfaces.

Did Connors win the USO when it was on clay?

Anyway, I don't think that either Connors or Wilander held titles on three different surfaces at the same time. Perhaps Wilander did, but I don't think so.

luie
02-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Nadal fully understands how much easier competing is when you have the mindset of being the chaser rather than the chasee. Some posters have questioned whether Nadal really does believe all his praise of Federer. I think he does. He allows himself to believe all this because at the end of the day it is in his best interest to do so. Nadal is as smart as they come in terms of going on court with right mindset.

Federer on the other hand has to much pride to allow himself to ever see himself as the chaser. Instead he goes into these matches with the weight of the world on his shoulders. And all he needs to do to relieve the pressure would be to say "right now Nadal is better than me, he is a very tough matchup for me and I will have to play my best to even have a chance against him." Yet his pride won't let him.

Classic case of smart mature tennis player vs not so bright immature player. Is it any surprise who is winning these contests?
Very true.Fed fighting with Murray for who is the favorite for AO,& also stated that being the favorite doesn't help Murray.So why in gods name you are fighting over an irrevelant fact,while nadal goes about his business improving etc.
Also he seems he doesn't want to aggravate federer then federer might "do something" about it. But federer is to "full" of himself to realize the truth.:mad:

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 10:22 PM
Very true.Fed fighting with Murray for who is the favorite for AO,& also stated that being the favorite doesn't help Murray.So why in gods name you are fighting over an irrevelant fact,while nadal goes about his business improving etc.
Also he seems he doesn't want to aggravate federer then federer might "do something" about it. But federer is to "full" of himself to realize the truth.:mad:

Surely Rafatards would be very happy if Fed continues to delude himself and not improve, no? :D:D

Lacey
02-04-2009, 10:37 PM
He's being modest, he know's he's the best (right now). But he also knows that Roger effectively dominated for years (and years) and is still the player to beat on all surfaces.

with poor opponents :p

luie
02-04-2009, 10:39 PM
Surely Rafatards would be very happy if Fed continues to delude himself and not improve, no? :D:D
Not only rafatards all the tards will be happy with "dumb" federer.
Yea I'am still the best.:o

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 10:41 PM
with poor opponents :p

Marat Safin, Andy Roddick, Leyton Hewitt, Fernando Gonzalez would all want to smack you down for that comment!

Bernard Black
02-04-2009, 10:45 PM
They don't want to because all players will want to turnout like Nadal, power power power, top-spin top-spin. Nadal matches are already boring to watch you know he will win the rally because he will simply out-spin and out-power his opponents. It's ugly.

I'm not saying Nadal is not a good players, he's exceptional. But God forbid if youngsters watching now all want to be mini-Nadals. Tennis will become very boring in 10-15 years.

Gold medal post right there. Sadly, it is already happening :rolleyes:

luie
02-04-2009, 10:48 PM
with poor opponents :p
Ha!Ha! the weak era is now where nadal's only resistance was an old man with mental baggage, where was the much touted young guns Novak & murray,tsonga etc.Yes, No-where seems the weak era is now.:sad:

meihaditalab
02-04-2009, 10:50 PM
so classy in his interviews. no wonder serena doesn't like him.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! good call!

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 11:16 PM
Ha!Ha! the weak era is now where nadal's only resistance was an old man with mental baggage, where was the much touted young guns Novak & murray,tsonga etc.Yes, No-where seems the weak era is now.:sad:

True, now is the weakest era ever. :devil:

star
02-04-2009, 11:30 PM
Surely Rafatards would be very happy if Fed continues to delude himself and not improve, no? :D:D

:yeah: That would be my coaching advise. "You're the best, Rogi. No one can touch you. Oh yeah. That's a beautiful backhand baby. Don't ever change it. Tactics? Nah. You just play your game, Champ."

JolánGagó
02-04-2009, 11:33 PM
:yeah: That would be my coaching advise. "You're the best, Rogi. No one can touch you. Oh yeah. That's a beautiful backhand baby. Don't ever change it. Tactics? Nah. You just play your game, Champ."

:haha:

"watchout the sunset and never get to 5th set" too.

luie
02-04-2009, 11:33 PM
True, now is the weakest era ever. :devil:
Like last years Wilberdon & this years AO looked like a class of 2000 reunion. SW-19 federer/safin/shittler. AO federer/roddick/verdasco. These so-called young guns are useless.Instead of fighting nadal toe-to-toe they are leaving it up to the pensioners.:mad:. Sad one can't stand the "heat" while uncle roddick could. The other couldn't hold his nerves while chokedasco could.:o

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 11:34 PM
:yeah: That would be my coaching advise. "You're the best, Rogi. No one can touch you. Oh yeah. That's a beautiful backhand baby. Don't ever change it. Tactics? Nah. You just play your game, Champ."

Exactly, if you hate tennis. Anyone who loves tennis would root for Roger to retool his game.

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 11:35 PM
Like last years Wilberdon & this years AO looked like a class of 2000 reunion. SW-19 federer/safin/shittler. AO federer/roddick/verdasco. These so-called young guns are useless.Instead of fighting nadal toe-to-toe they are leaving it up to the pensioners.:mad:. Sad one can't stand the "heat" while uncle roddick could. The other couldn't hold his nerves while chokedasco could.:o

It means Fed's generation is overall better then Nadal's? :D:D:D

Andy "Too Tough" Roddick >>>> Nole :worship::worship:

Igaarg
02-04-2009, 11:50 PM
Marat Safin, Andy Roddick, Leyton Hewitt, Fernando Gonzalez would all want to smack you down for that comment!

You Forgot Nalby, they had really good matches.

fast_clay
02-04-2009, 11:56 PM
hahahha... i am not fooled... nadal is having a dead set f**ken Tommy Tank right here...

FedFan_2007
02-04-2009, 11:56 PM
Also:

David Ferrer, Feliciano Lopez,

Mr. Oracle
02-05-2009, 01:20 AM
I don't think it's sarcasm, it's a way of avoid the pressure.

Absolutely!

Novak can learn tons from the Gypsy King.

Now I love Novak because I understand his temperament and mindset because I am a Serb as well but he would do well to talk less about his "quality" during interviews and tell his mom to put a sock in the "the king is dead" pronouncements. She put extraordinary pressure on his young shoulders.

Nole, more heart and less attitude will get you much farther in this game. Please do not bang your chest and frown, telling the crowd to basically F-off because they are not cheering for you. You will grow up and you will be great!

Corey Feldman
02-05-2009, 01:55 AM
Mr humbalito strikes again

Mimi
02-05-2009, 02:06 AM
you are right, but i have enough of these talks ........ of course overall roger is greater, but after you beat him 5 consecutive times, and continue to say this, its look a bit foolish :mad:
Nadal has a point...of course Federer is still greater than Nadal overall...that doesn't change the fact that Nadal is currently a better player than Fed...





I think it's rather honesty and modesty...that's how Rafa's personality is like.

connectolove
02-05-2009, 02:15 AM
“When I compete, I love to be there and fight for win. Maybe I love more the fight to win, than (to) win.”

This guy is the GOAT!!!

star
02-05-2009, 04:17 AM
Exactly, if you hate tennis. Anyone who loves tennis would root for Roger to retool his game.


Why? I thought Federer had the perfect artistic game that couldn't possibly be improved. :angel:

FedFan_2007
02-05-2009, 04:21 AM
Why? I thought Federer had the perfect artistic game that couldn't possibly be improved. :angel:

Obviously it's not good enough. :shrug:

HattonWBA
02-05-2009, 09:58 AM
Yes maybe he is taking the pressure of himself, but how humble and sincere he is to his opponents, and the respect he shows them is amazing regardless of it being Federer or a mug, others should take note.