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Roddick doesn't seem like a jerk off-court.

FlameOn
02-03-2009, 09:40 AM
It's no secret that Roddick's temper frequently gets the better of him on court, but off the court he seems like a very nice, funny guy. In his press conferences and the like he's always very gracious in defeats, especially at the hands of Federer. He might outburst on court against Federer and others so much it's funny (I'm sure when Federer broke him in the second set of the AO semi this year he repeated "F**K!" three times), but in post-match interviews he only ever has nice things to say from what I've seen. He seems like a totally different guy off-court.

Sorry if there've been threads like this already.

HattonWBA
02-03-2009, 09:44 AM
Dunno, he did critisise Djokovic pretty bad at the US Open in his press confrence, but yh i get what ur saying he does seem like a nice enough and funny guy in his interviews, but thats only when he wins or loses to a world class player, otehrwise he would spit his dummy out proberbly.

scarecrows
02-03-2009, 11:50 AM
the law of compensation

Corey Feldman
02-03-2009, 11:53 AM
no he is a jerk, as soon as someone upsets him or does something he doesnt like he resorts to horrible petty bullying, on court Umps and lesser players are his prey

off it - well we dont see it all do we

bluefork
02-03-2009, 12:10 PM
It's no secret that Roddick's temper frequently gets the better of him on court, but off the court he seems like a very nice, funny guy. In his press conferences and the like he's always very gracious in defeats, especially at the hands of Federer. He might outburst on court against Federer and others so much it's funny (I'm sure when Federer broke him in the second set of the AO semi this year he repeated "F**K!" three times), but in post-match interviews he only ever has nice things to say from what I've seen. He seems like a totally different guy off-court.

Sorry if there've been threads like this already.

I don't know what he's like outside of tennis, but certainly in post-match interviews he can be kind of nasty and sarcastic to reporters.

pricdews
02-03-2009, 12:16 PM
He tries to be nice, but growing up assuming you're the future #1, multi-grand slam winning superstar makes it hard to keep the ego restrained. For decades the top US players went on to have storied careers. So it wasn't unreasonable for Roddick to think his career would have more success as he knew he was the best US player of his generation. I wonder if he much of failure in anything until in his 20s. So I agree he turns to bullying to compensate for his disappointment. But overall I like Roddick (much more than I used to) as he does try hard to restrain his natural tendency to be a jerk.

RicRoc
02-03-2009, 12:17 PM
I don`t like him on court and i don`t care about him off-court.:rolleyes:

SheepleBuster
02-03-2009, 12:19 PM
Um? Insulting umpires beyond belief. Making fine of linesmen. No. He is a saint

Consigliere
02-03-2009, 12:27 PM
Roddick doesn't seem like a jerk off-arena

Igaarg
02-03-2009, 12:29 PM
The guy is not a jerk, he is ironic and his press conferences are among my favs. He is an honest person, I really like him.

~Maya~
02-03-2009, 01:04 PM
:hatoff: to him for his contributions to the society with all the charity work that he does.

Henry Chinaski
02-03-2009, 01:20 PM
Roddick is a total legend off court. No question.

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Swagger&Poise
02-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I don't blame players if they get angry on-court. After all, they are in the midst of the heat of the battle.

A better way to judge someone's character is by post-match interviews.

Roddick is an outspoken and opinionated person who gives honest answers. Someone in this thread said that is can be a jerk to reporters. The only time he is ever a jerk to reporters is if he is asked a stupid question, or told a stupid statement. Prime example of this is in his semi-final post match conference from the AO last week.

I'm a big Roddick fan. It is players like him that add to the character of our game. You wouldn't want every player to respond with the same tireless cliches all the time would you?

Every player has a go at umpires. Not every player gives credit where credit is due, whether it be after a win, and better yet, after a loss, which is what Roddick does.

As for meeting the guy. I haven't met him, but I'm sure if any of us met a famous tennis player who had any sort of time of day, and we were respectful toward them, then they would be a nice guy to us.

fred perry
02-03-2009, 01:45 PM
It's no secret that Roddick's temper frequently gets the better of him on court, but off the court he seems like a very nice, funny guy. In his press conferences and the like he's always very gracious in defeats, especially at the hands of Federer. He might outburst on court against Federer and others so much it's funny (I'm sure when Federer broke him in the second set of the AO semi this year he repeated "F**K!" three times), but in post-match interviews he only ever has nice things to say from what I've seen. He seems like a totally different guy off-court.

Sorry if there've been threads like this already.

he can be pretty sarcastic in pressers. you have to listen carefully but he often ridicules questioners. When he wins, he's mr lovable. but when he loses, God help you if you ask a question he thinks is stupid. :(

~*BGT*~
02-03-2009, 02:00 PM
Andy is a nice guy. He was definitely nicer than any of the players I saw at DC last year in the USA/France tie. :)

bjurra
02-03-2009, 02:20 PM
no he is a jerk, as soon as someone upsets him or does something he doesnt like he resorts to horrible petty bullying, on court Umps and lesser players are his prey

off it - well we dont see it all do we

You really didn't understand the subject of this thread, did you?

icedevil0289
02-03-2009, 02:48 PM
He seems like a nice guy off court to me atleast. I always get a good laugh watching his press conferences.

fangirl
02-03-2009, 02:50 PM
Thats because he isn't.

Cat9
02-03-2009, 03:03 PM
but growing up assuming you're the future #1, multi-grand slam winning superstar makes it hard to keep the ego restrained

Roddick didn't grow up assuming any such thing. Roddick was very short until late in HS and even then only had aspirations to maybe possibly being a college player. Even when he did have early success on the tour and the hype machine began in full, Roddick downplayed it and rejected comparisons to players like Sampras and Agassi. He's always been very clear headed about his talent, even as an 18 year old.

tangerine_dream
02-03-2009, 03:06 PM
Sorry if there've been threads like this already.
Actually, yours is the first thread I've seen that talks about Roddick being a good guy. 2009 alternate universe!

Deboogle!.
02-03-2009, 03:07 PM
He tries to be nice, but growing up assuming you're the future #1, multi-grand slam winning superstar makes it hard to keep the ego restrained. For decades the top US players went on to have storied careers. So it wasn't unreasonable for Roddick to think his career would have more success as he knew he was the best US player of his generation. I wonder if he much of failure in anything until in his 20s. So I agree he turns to bullying to compensate for his disappointment. But overall I like Roddick (much more than I used to) as he does try hard to restrain his natural tendency to be a jerk.That'd be cute if it were at all factually true. In fact he grew up as the brother of the "future number 1, multi-grand slam winner" - til John got hurt, Andy was just his little rugrat brother who followed him around and didn'teven really contemplate a pro career til he hired Tarik in his teens, he has said a million times over that before that, he was just hoping to get a college scholarship. But it certainly sounds more fun to assume he grew up with a huge inflated ego :yeah:

edit:
Roddick didn't grow up assuming any such thing. Roddick was very short until late in HS and even then only had aspirations to maybe possibly being a college player. Even when he did have early success on the tour and the hype machine began in full, Roddick downplayed it and rejected comparisons to players like Sampras and Agassi. He's always been very clear headed about his talent, even as an 18 year old.oops, you beat me while my comp froze. :yeah:

btw the word you're looking for is KERJ :D

FaceyFacem
02-03-2009, 03:39 PM
My sister has run into him in Austin before and said he seems like an arrogant womanizer. To me that is "jerk-like" but maybe not to others

Corey Feldman
02-03-2009, 03:41 PM
You really didn't understand the subject of this thread, did you?the point i was making is he's such a big jerk to innocent ppl on the court, he is more than likely to be one of it as well

MacTheKnife
02-03-2009, 03:46 PM
A-rod just seems to have a dry and sarcastic sense of humor. (not that I'm criticizing that, the entire group of guys I played with as a youngster were the exact same way)
Some people just can't stand that or take it to seriously, but I find it hilarious and refreshing.
But then again, look who my favorite player was. The ultimate brat !!!

bjurra
02-03-2009, 03:51 PM
the point i was making is he's such a big jerk to innocent ppl on the court, he is more than likely to be one of it as well

Ok, that is better put and indeed a valid argument. However, I think he seems allright off court, a whole lot nicer than on court anyway.

Chris Seahorse
02-03-2009, 04:21 PM
On court Andy Roddick is, generally speaking, a bit on the boring side. While he is without question a very good player he isn't great entertainment. On occassion he can also get quite bad mannered.

Off court, on the other hand, Andy Roddick is the funniest person in tennis. Win or lose he shows others respect, he has a great line in self deprecating humour, and he strikes me as a very down to earth, honest and decent individual.

j0ns
02-03-2009, 04:34 PM
He's the kinda guy who likes to intimidate people and steps on them to inflate his ego. Sure he'll be respectful towards certain people but that's only if he knows he'll get something in return.

kaylee
02-03-2009, 06:50 PM
OK I don't usually post in the general thread but how can anyone judge a person if you have never met them? I like the fact that Andy brings fire onto the court - sometimes the matches being played need it. His press conferences are hilarious, his philanthropic endeavours amazing, and to hear him branded "arrogant" well pluleeze I don't think Andy has the ego of Roger for example (sorry Fed fans but it is true). I have seen him many times practising in different stadiums and always being nice and good especially with the kids. "You should never judge a book by its cover" - very apt statement here.

JimmyV
02-03-2009, 07:04 PM
Hell must have frozen over for this thread not only to exist, but to not have 15 pages full of people slamming the creator for making it.

Wait, I mean, I met Roddick at a tournament once, he was in the parking lot siphoning gas out of my car. He then held my brother at knife point and took all our money, kidnapped my mother, and burned my house down.

SushiMinimal
02-03-2009, 08:06 PM
roddick frat boy pride

Herdwick
02-03-2009, 08:18 PM
Good thread and long overdue. Not a huge fan of his game but really like what I've seen of him as a person. Refreshing, sharp as a tack and abrasive on occasion - in short exactly what tennis craves. And his press conferences are a welcome antidote to the anodyne waffle we are usually treated to - more please.

bluefork
02-03-2009, 08:28 PM
OK I don't usually post in the general thread but how can anyone judge a person if you have never met them? I like the fact that Andy brings fire onto the court - sometimes the matches being played need it. His press conferences are hilarious, his philanthropic endeavours amazing, and to hear him branded "arrogant" well pluleeze I don't think Andy has the ego of Roger for example (sorry Fed fans but it is true). I have seen him many times practising in different stadiums and always being nice and good especially with the kids. "You should never judge a book by its cover" - very apt statement here.

No reason he should. He hasn't achieved one tenth of what Federer has.

TMJordan
02-03-2009, 08:31 PM
I love Andy.

tangerine_dream
02-03-2009, 09:12 PM
No reason he should. He hasn't achieved one tenth of what Federer has.
:lol: I've always loved this excuse from Federer fans, that Roger is entitled to act like an arrogant prig because he's won 13 slams. It's okay if he talks down to other players and insults others in his broken english because they haven't achieved a tenth of what the mighty Roger has. Roger can burp and chew with his mouth open at the table because guess what? He won 13 slams. He doesn't have to conform to the same social norms the proletariat and lesser forms of humans are burdened with.

Let me know when he cures cancer and world hunger, then I'll be impressed and maybe let him off the hook for being an occasional fathead.

bluefork
02-03-2009, 09:17 PM
:lol: I've always loved this excuse from Federer fans, that Roger is entitled to act like an arrogant prig because he's won 13 slams. It's okay if he talks down to other players and insults others in his broken english because they haven't achieved a tenth of what the mighty Roger has. Roger can burp and chew with his mouth open at the table because guess what? He won 13 slams. He doesn't have to conform to the same social norms the proletariat and lesser forms of humans are burdened with.

Let me know when he cures cancer and world hunger, then I'll be impressed and maybe let him off the hook for being an occasional fathead.

I didn't say it excuses him. I just said that there's no reason that Roddick should have the kind of ego that Federer has. Don't you actually have to achieve something to have a big head?

Andi-M
02-03-2009, 09:19 PM
I love and hate A-Rod the guy is a dick, but he is funny that last press conference was comedy gold as was the 16 injuries comment. You gotta love his bluntness and humour. :yeah:

tangerine_dream
02-03-2009, 09:31 PM
I didn't say it excuses him. I just said that there's no reason that Roddick should have the kind of ego that Federer has. Don't you actually have to achieve something to have a big head?
There are many players who've achieved a lot less than Roddick but they're far more arrogant than he's ever been.

Perhaps Roger's justifiably large ego is getting in the way of his beating Nadal and achieving that ultimate goal of beating Sampras' record? Maybe he should swallow his pride and hire a coach who can help him do just that? Take a page out of the Agassi book and reinvent himself. It won't be easy to do because I'm sure Roger does not feel he needs to be reinvented but if he wants a second life in his tennis career and a shot of beating Rafa to win RG he will have to do just that. I don't know if you've noticed but Roger has stopped improving which, in tennisland, means he's going backwards.

Deboogle!.
02-03-2009, 09:51 PM
I didn't say it excuses him. I just said that there's no reason that Roddick should have the kind of ego that Federer has. Don't you actually have to achieve something to have a big head?Not really, lots of people have huge egos who have achieved nothing (not even talking about tennis here, just in general). And anyway if you trusted MTF, Andy's ego is so big he believes he's god or something :lol: But anyway, anyone with half a brain just needs to read his press conferences from this past AO where he talks about not deserving scheduling preferences and not deserving being talked about with the top 4 to realize he is really not very arrogant at all. His own words speak for themselves; he doesn't need his fans to defend him here :)

Andi-M
02-03-2009, 09:57 PM
This is just hilarious!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JowXFvg1BI0&feature=related

NinaNina19
02-03-2009, 10:05 PM
no he is a jerk, as soon as someone upsets him or does something he doesnt like he resorts to horrible petty bullying, on court Umps and lesser players are his prey

off it - well we dont see it all do we

Agreed.

bluefork
02-03-2009, 10:05 PM
Not really, lots of people have huge egos who have achieved nothing (not even talking about tennis here, just in general). And anyway if you trusted MTF, Andy's ego is so big he believes he's god or something :lol: But anyway, anyone with half a brain just needs to read his press conferences from this past AO where he talks about not deserving scheduling preferences and not deserving being talked about with the top 4 to realize he is really not very arrogant at all. His own words speak for themselves; he doesn't need his fans to defend him here :)

And yet they always do ;)

NinaNina19
02-03-2009, 10:06 PM
:lol: I've always loved this excuse from Federer fans, that Roger is entitled to act like an arrogant prig because he's won 13 slams. It's okay if he talks down to other players and insults others in his broken english because they haven't achieved a tenth of what the mighty Roger has. Roger can burp and chew with his mouth open at the table because guess what? He won 13 slams. He doesn't have to conform to the same social norms the proletariat and lesser forms of humans are burdened with.

Let me know when he cures cancer and world hunger, then I'll be impressed and maybe let him off the hook for being an occasional fathead.

Yeah well Fed doesn't tell umpires to go to school and doesn't bitch around on the court.

~*BGT*~
02-03-2009, 10:19 PM
Yeah well Fed doesn't tell umpires to go to school and doesn't bitch around on the court.

At least Andy doesn't snarl at his opponents and flex a bicep after beating a mental midget. :p

bluefork
02-03-2009, 10:22 PM
At least Andy doesn't snarl at his opponents and flex a bicep after beating a mental midget. :p

No, he doesn't do that. He just shouts obscenities at them.

NinaNina19
02-03-2009, 10:27 PM
No, he doesn't do that. He just shouts obscenities at them.

:haha:.

NinaNina19
02-03-2009, 10:28 PM
At least Andy doesn't snarl at his opponents and flex a bicep after beating a mental midget. :p

:lol: at that comeback. Andy's on court tantrums are much worse than snarling at your opponents.

Deboogle!.
02-03-2009, 10:38 PM
And yet they always do ;)Actually most of the nicest posts in this thread aren't by his fans :shrug::lol: at that comeback. Andy's on court tantrums are much worse than snarling at your opponents.Did you miss the subject? This thread is clearly about OFF-COURT behavior. So, relevance? :zzz:

Kitty de Sade
02-03-2009, 10:45 PM
Impossible to throw someone under the bus who devotes a lot of time, energy and money to charitable causes. :yeah:

Say he's a hot head on court, but looking at some of the video footage of him with little kids, for example? Real. Not a chance he'd be able to fake that w/out giving himself away.

fast_clay
02-03-2009, 10:46 PM
Roddick.... what a champion...

adee-gee
02-03-2009, 10:47 PM
Roddick is a total legend off court. No question.

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:lol: the interview with Jonathan Ross was pure gold.

Roddick is probably the only guy in tennis who can make me laugh when I listen to him in a press conference/interview. He's had his haters for a long time, I obviously don't see/hear the same stuff they do to jump to their conclusions. I agree on the court he sometimes goes OTT and can understand why people get pissed at him (although personally I don't mind it, I even find his rants funny), but off the court I don't see what there is to dislike.

ichigo
02-03-2009, 11:40 PM
aah well.. its when they're off-court that matters.. thats when players are themselves

Chris Seahorse
02-03-2009, 11:42 PM
Not really, lots of people have huge egos who have achieved nothing (not even talking about tennis here, just in general). And anyway if you trusted MTF, Andy's ego is so big he believes he's god or something :lol: But anyway, anyone with half a brain just needs to read his press conferences from this past AO where he talks about not deserving scheduling preferences and not deserving being talked about with the top 4 to realize he is really not very arrogant at all. His own words speak for themselves; he doesn't need his fans to defend him here :)

I think that's the problem. A lot of folks on MTF simply do not have half a brain, nor can they be bothered to read someone's press conference. They would much rather believe what they are told to believe by other posters who also don't have half a brain than actually think for themselves and do a little research.

Yes it's true, anyone with half a brain could tell that Andy Roddick is one of the least arrogant and most engaging people in sports. Regrettably however there are clearly a heck of a lot of people in MTF who are making do with only a quarter of a brain or less. :shrug:

oranges
02-04-2009, 12:02 AM
He's a real Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde to me on and off court. He can really get on my nerves on court, but his interviews are hilarious and he'll often joke at his own expense too, which is completely at odds with the persona he presents on court. Come to think of it, he has that split personality on court too, I think he was playing Cilic when he called a let all on his own on a relatively important point he would have won, only to go ballistic at the umpire a few minutes later over something else. :lol:

Action Jackson
02-04-2009, 12:04 AM
Takes all kind of people in the world.

NinaNina19
02-04-2009, 12:35 AM
Actually most of the nicest posts in this thread aren't by his fans :shrug:Did you miss the subject? This thread is clearly about OFF-COURT behavior. So, relevance? :zzz:

Exactly, I'm just saying no matter how nice he is off of court, his behavior oncourt is not excusable. He is a good person no doubt, but he is also an arrogant jerk.

shotgun
02-04-2009, 12:39 AM
Hewitt's post match conferences are much better, IMO. He can give witty answers without resorting to humilliating journalists.

Pea
02-04-2009, 01:20 AM
Are we back 2003?

Swagger&Poise
02-04-2009, 01:36 AM
Hewitt's post match conferences are much better, IMO. He can give witty answers without resorting to humilliating journalists.

Hewitt and wit in the same sentence, is like hefner and virginity in the same sentence.

fangirl
02-04-2009, 10:37 AM
He doesn't have to conform to the same social norms the proletariat and lesser forms of humans are burdened with.

I LOLed, but feel the need to point out that the people to whom this post is directed most likely do not understand what the word "proletariat" means.

Doggy
02-04-2009, 12:19 PM
The why he treats umpires is despicable. Not a class act by any means. It's easy to be nice after you cooled off, took a shower, and gathered your thoughts seconds before a press conference. The real test of character is in the heat of the moment and in his case, he needs to stop disrespecting innocent umpires who are just doing their job

Swagger&Poise
02-04-2009, 12:54 PM
^By that logic, pretty much every player has a shitty character then...

90-95% of tennis players have gone off at umpires before.

andylovesaustin
02-05-2009, 11:56 AM
Yeah, Andy annoys a lot of people, but I think he's a hoot.

I just wish he could be more successful as a tennis player, but he's pretty entertaining as a tennis personality.

bjurra
02-05-2009, 01:45 PM
I remember that Roddick called a second serve from Tabasco good on match point at the 2005 Rome Masters. The chair umpire had already said "GSM Roddick" and Tabasco was on his way to the net to shake hands. Roddick, however, pointed at the mark and gave Tabasco the point. Tabasco went on to win 6-7 7-6 6-4.

TankingTheSet
02-05-2009, 01:51 PM
I wonder what would happen on this thread if someone accidently left out the last word in the title?

Swagger&Poise
02-05-2009, 02:26 PM
I remember that Roddick called a second serve from Tabasco good on match point at the 2005 Rome Masters. The chair umpire had already said "GSM Roddick" and Tabasco was on his way to the net to shake hands. Roddick, however, pointed at the mark and gave Tabasco the point. Tabasco went on to win 6-7 7-6 6-4.

^Yep.

Roddick has done multiple acts of good sportsmanship similar to that over the years that go unheard of, and better yet he doesn't boast about, that the absolute majority of other tennis players wouldn't even think of doing.

scarecrows
02-05-2009, 03:33 PM
I remember that Roddick called a second serve from Tabasco good on match point at the 2005 Rome Masters. The chair umpire had already said "GSM Roddick" and Tabasco was on his way to the net to shake hands. Roddick, however, pointed at the mark and gave Tabasco the point. Tabasco went on to win 6-7 7-6 6-4.

I'm not 100% sure but Verdasco would have made the umpire check the mark anyway, so Roddick just spared the umpire the "effort" of going down. Nice gesture but not like it would have been on a hard court for example

JolánGagó
02-05-2009, 04:02 PM
I didn't say it excuses him. I just said that there's no reason that Roddick should have the kind of ego that Federer has. Don't you actually have to achieve something to have a big head?

Well he has achieved a zillion more than 99% or so profesional tennis players in the Open Era, not to mention yourself. So yes, he has achieved enough to have a big head albeit not one the zeppelin size JesuFed was endowed with at birth.

I respect him a lot as a tennis player though not a huge fan of his game. Off court he looks to me as one of the funniest, smartest and overall more decent guys you can find on tour.

bjurra
02-05-2009, 04:30 PM
I'm not 100% sure but Verdasco would have made the umpire check the mark anyway, so Roddick just spared the umpire the "effort" of going down. Nice gesture but not like it would have been on a hard court for example

To me, it didnt look like Verdasco was interested in checking the mark (mentally he had already lost the match anyway being 0-40 down on 2nd serve) but Roddick was pretty quick giving Verdasco the point so we will never know for sure.

Deboogle!.
02-05-2009, 04:42 PM
I'm not 100% sure but Verdasco would have made the umpire check the mark anyway, so Roddick just spared the umpire the "effort" of going down. Nice gesture but not like it would have been on a hard court for exampleAndy himself has played this down many times, saying it wasn't a big deal and that he thought the ump was gonna check the mark anyway. That said, I don't recall Andy ever doing anything unsporting. he gives his opponents points and doesn't take fishy time-outs and stuff. he goes overboard with his attitude absolutely (and he openly admits this and even makes fun of it), but as far as I am aware, he's a fair competitor.

bluefork
02-05-2009, 05:13 PM
Andy himself has played this down many times, saying it wasn't a big deal and that he thought the ump was gonna check the mark anyway. That said, I don't recall Andy ever doing anything unsporting. he gives his opponents points and doesn't take fishy time-outs and stuff. he goes overboard with his attitude absolutely (and he openly admits this and even makes fun of it), but as far as I am aware, he's a fair competitor.

Two different times at Wimbledon he was in a tight match and just flat out refused to keep playing. The first time was against Ancic in the SF in 2004. He said it looked like it was going to start raining and then walked off the court (it never did end up raining). The momentum of the match changed after they eventually got back, and Roddick ended up winning the next two sets comfortably.

The second time was against Bracciali in the 2nd round in 2005. Roddick lost the fourth set and it was getting late in the day, and Roddick packed up his bags and walked off court again. He didn't ask the umpire if they should stop, or wait to see what Bracciali was doing. He just left because, according to him, it was too dark to play. Bracciali didn't think it was too dark, and the matches on other courts continued playing after he stopped, so clearly it was only too dark on his side of the court.

Maybe you've conveniently forgotten about these times, but no, he doesn't have a spotless record.

So yes, he has achieved enough to have a big head albeit not one the zeppelin size JesuFed was endowed with at birth.

Say what you want about Federer's ego, but actions speak louder than words. There are times when Federer's complained about conditions on court, but he's never taken it upon himself to suspend the match when he's losing (like Roddick has). He never bullies lesser players (like Roddick does). And he's not blatantly rude and disrespectful to umpires and reporters (like Roddick is).

Oh, and by the way, Roddick is smart? The guy who answered "bah" to the question "What letter of the English alphabet also sounds like the word for a female sheep?" Okay. :)

Deboogle!.
02-05-2009, 05:21 PM
Two different times at Wimbledon he was in a tight match and just flat out refused to keep playing. The first time was against Ancic in the SF in 2004. He said it looked like it was going to start raining and then walked off the court (it never did end up raining). The momentum of the match changed after they eventually got back, and Roddick ended up winning the next two sets comfortably.

The second time was against Bracciali in the 2nd round in 2005. Roddick lost the fourth set and it was getting late in the day, and Roddick packed up his bags and walked off court again. He didn't ask the umpire if they should stop, or wait to see what Bracciali was doing. He just left because, according to him, it was too dark to play. Bracciali didn't think it was too dark, and the matches on other courts continued playing after he stopped, so clearly it was only too dark on his side of the court.

Maybe you've conveniently forgotten about these times, but no, he doesn't have a spotless record.I wouldn't consider asking to stop when it's getting dark unsporting, but if you do, that's fine I'm not going to argue with you about the semantics because I don't care enough especially in a thread specifically about his off-court behavior and it'd be a waste of my time anyway. I'm not delusional, I know he's not perfect, but I am a fan anyway. Federer is not perfect either. A friend told me once he refused to sign an autograph one year at the USO for a little boy who was all alone and just wanted him to sign a ball. No one's perfect, these guys are humans.
Oh, and by the way, Roddick is smart? The guy who answered "bah" to the question "What letter of the English alphabet also sounds like the word for a female sheep?" Okay. :)My best friend is the smartest woman I know (way way smarter than Roddick, I'm sure :lol: ). In college, she came into my dorm room once and asked me if the Pacific Ocean was "to the right or left" of the US. Even smart people say and do stupid things once in a while. One incident on a game show for charity doesn't exactly mean he's not an intelligent human being :lol:

reggie1
02-05-2009, 05:26 PM
I just remember him on the Weakest Link and getting the question wrong about Jam making. Oh the shame!

bluefork
02-05-2009, 05:27 PM
I wouldn't consider asking to stop when it's getting dark unsporting, but if you do, that's fine I'm not going to argue with you about the semantics because I don't care enough especially in a thread specifically about his off-court behavior and it'd be a waste of my time anyway.

My best friend is the smartest woman I know (way way smarter than Roddick, I'm sure :lol: ). In college, she came into my dorm room once and asked me if the Pacific Ocean was "to the right or left" of the US. Even smart people say and do stupid things once in a while. One incident on a game show for charity doesn't exactly mean he's not an intelligent human being :lol:

Sure, asking to stop isn't unsporting. But he didn't ask. He just left.

And technically the Pacific Ocean could be considered to the right or left of the U.S. (if you keep going far enough right on a globe, you'll eventually hit it).

Anyway, I guess I get the last word on this one since you said you don't care enough to respond, and also that his fans don't need to defend him. :wavey:

tangerine_dream
02-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Another nice example of Andy's charity work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPch2IJOpw

Deboogle!.
02-05-2009, 05:39 PM
Another nice example of Andy's charity work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPch2IJOpwomg :haha: you know, once every few months or so, i get a hate mail through youtube over the title of that video:haha: :rolls:

tangerine_dream
02-05-2009, 05:43 PM
omg :haha: you know, once every few months or so, i get a hate mail through youtube over the title of that video:haha: :rolls:
I can just imagine, with that headline. :lol:

Since we're discussing Andy-Not-A-Jerk, here's a good article to accompany the video:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article4843380.ece

The Net Post: all hail Andy Roddick, the nice guy of the ATP Tour who just keeps giving
"It is about time that Andy Roddick's contribution to men's tennis in the past nine years on the ATP Tour received full and unequivocal respect and the Net Post does not mean it should happen now just because of the gesture, when he lifted the China Open yesterday - the 26th title of his career - to donate $25,000 of his prize money to those still suffering after May's catastrophic earthquake in the country's Sichuan Province. He has deserved his panegyric for a long time."

kaylee
02-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Guys you are never going to win with this lot.

I too am an Andy fan, yes he does embarrass me sometimes with his antics on court, as mentioned previously however he is probably the closest to a today McEnroe that we have. That doesn't detract that he is a pretty good guy off the court. He is very generous oh and something else that made me laugh, recently he said he had a free Chipotle card (I have no idea what that is) but he felt siily using it so ended up paying anyway. In Deuce magazine recently Roger was asked when he last flew economy - HE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT AND SAID IT HAD BEEN A WHILE. Oh boy!

Deboogle!.
02-05-2009, 06:04 PM
technically a chipotle is a smoked and dried jalapeno pepper that is typically sold canned in adobo sauce, but it is also a chain of fast food burrito restaurants;) Chipotle (http://www.chipotle.com/)

kaylee
02-05-2009, 06:06 PM
Thank youuuuuuuuuuu Deb!!!! :D

star
02-05-2009, 06:09 PM
And technically the Pacific Ocean could be considered to the right or left of the U.S. (if you keep going far enough right on a globe, you'll eventually hit it).



Well that, and it's totally dependent on whether you face north or south -- or for that matter west or east. :lol:

Although I make it a point absolutely never ever to agree with Deboogel, there's really no point in discussing Andy on this board anymore. It's been done to death and everyone is completely entrenched in their opinions. :)

tangerine_dream
02-05-2009, 06:23 PM
Although I make it a point absolutely never ever to agree with Deboogel, there's really no point in discussing Andy on this board anymore. It's been done to death and everyone is completely entrenched in their opinions. :)
Noooo :bigcry: Don't say that. Andy is *always* worth discussing. He will have another jerktastic meltdown soon, I promise. :awww:

scarecrows
02-05-2009, 06:34 PM
In Deuce magazine recently Roger was asked when he last flew economy - HE HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT AND SAID IT HAD BEEN A WHILE.

and?

MacTheKnife
02-05-2009, 06:44 PM
:haha: Posters on MTF accusing someone of being a jerk ??? :haha:

kaylee
02-05-2009, 07:00 PM
Actually Andy is more of a kerj!

biological
02-05-2009, 07:06 PM
Another nice example of Andy's charity work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPch2IJOpw

Awwww :awww: That is incredibly cute. He does seem like a bit of a sweetie off court, and I really like him. Obviously his shouting at officials is fucked up, but I think once he's not playing he's a nice guy. Don't know him though :shrug:

Can't get over that video though. Just want to :hug: him.

Fumus
02-05-2009, 08:09 PM
Andy not a jerk he's just American. Those that don't like his on court personality aren't the competitive American types. Also a reminder to you "holier than thou" MTFers, Mr. Sportsman of the Year Roger Federer drops F-bombs and S-Bombs all the time too but, suprise suprise you don't drop them as much when you are winning. Look at Andy's reactions after losing, the true tell of a sportsman and player. Andy always gives credit to other guy and is always honest about his mistakes. Roger Federer just cries and says the better player didn't win. Andy's reactions on court don't make him any less of a sportsman they just make him more of a competitor. People don't like Andy because they don't like him and they'll put any negative thing he does under the microscope because they can. Andy is great for tennis and he's helped his fellow man. What else can you ask of a player? For him to be dead silent on court and have no personality? :confused: Go watch basket weaving.

kaylee
02-05-2009, 08:25 PM
Wow Ryan "thud" awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

partygirl
02-05-2009, 08:41 PM
omg :haha: you know, once every few months or so, i get a hate mail through youtube over the title of that video:haha: :rolls:I think it is one of the best titles ever.:dance:

tangerine_dream
02-05-2009, 08:56 PM
*edit*

I don't get people who criticize Andy for going off on chair umpires. Andy's pretty tame , especially compared to Christian Bale's meltdown. I'd love to hear Andy go off on Norm Chryst like Bale does here, that would be awesome. :haha:

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Tennis_Love
02-06-2009, 01:08 AM
Two different times at Wimbledon he was in a tight match and just flat out refused to keep playing.

The second time was against Bracciali in the 2nd round in 2005. Roddick lost the fourth set and it was getting late in the day, and Roddick packed up his bags and walked off court again. He didn't ask the umpire if they should stop, or wait to see what Bracciali was doing. He just left because, according to him, it was too dark to play. Bracciali didn't think it was too dark, and the matches on other courts continued playing after he stopped, so clearly it was only too dark on his side of the court.

Maybe you've conveniently forgotten about these times, but no, he doesn't have a spotless record.




No, that is incorrect. Roddick lost the third set and the play was suspended. When the play resumed next day, he lost the fourth set. So, it did not help him at all. Finally, he won the match in fifth set. So, at least have your facts correct before criticizing Andy. And a player cannot just left the court. Umpire has the final authority. If he did leave and the Umpire did not agree, the umpire should have forced him back to the court. Andy said in his press conference that he couldn't just leave the court, the umpire said that the play was suspended. Who can forget that hillarious press conference, "Can you read a book in dark?" :lol:

Corey Feldman
02-06-2009, 02:36 AM
its good to have these meetings every few months at MTF to discuss his jerkiness

expect the next one to be in 3 months

bluefork
02-06-2009, 02:53 AM
No, that is incorrect. Roddick lost the third set and the play was suspended. When the play resumed next day, he lost the fourth set. So, it did not help him at all. Finally, he won the match in fifth set. So, at least have your facts correct before criticizing Andy. And a player cannot just left the court. Umpire has the final authority. If he did leave and the Umpire did not agree, the umpire should have forced him back to the court. Andy said in his press conference that he couldn't just leave the court, the umpire said that the play was suspended. Who can forget that hillarious press conference, "Can you read a book in dark?" :lol:

Sorry, you're right about the set score. You obviously remember the match pretty well. So you also probably remember when he dropped an "f--- you" at Bracciali when came up to question why they were stopping, and then how he stormed off the court, literally slamming the door behind him. Pure class on his part.

And I remembered the press conference kind of differently too, but sometimes I mistake being "hilarious" for being an asshole, so that's my fault.

Deboogle!.
02-06-2009, 03:35 AM
Sorry, you're right about the set score. You obviously remember the match pretty well. So you also probably remember when he dropped an "f--- you" at Bracciali when came up to question why they were stopping, and then how he stormed off the court, literally slamming the door behind him. Pure class on his part.

And I remembered the press conference kind of differently too, but sometimes I mistake being "hilarious" for being an asshole, so that's my fault.So just to be clear, you brought up this match to refute my opinion that Andy is not known for doing unsporting things (and by this i meant cheating, not giving opponents a point when he knows a serve is in, abusing the time-out rules, etc.), someone pointed out that you were incorrect with the facts, and you just use it to show his sometimes-inappropriate on-court behavior, which is not at issue here, which no one even disagrees with........ :scratch: you make it clear ad nauseum that you can't stand him, but it obviously makes you feel good to keep twisting stuff around to get another opportunity to express that. But the very title of this thread basically accepts that he is a jerk on court, the discussion is about him off-court, so I'm not sure why it's so important to you to have the last word on his on-court behavior. And i'm not sure why you care so much that he has fans who are willing to accept his imperfections and support him anyway. We know he can be an asshole on court, we don't really like it, but we accept him for the human being that he fully admits to being. And I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it is the person he is off-court - the person I myself have witnessed countless times over the years - that is why I support him.

El Legenda
02-06-2009, 03:40 AM
jerk-off


too funny...

bluefork
02-06-2009, 03:54 AM
So just to be clear, you brought up this match to refute my opinion that Andy is not known for doing unsporting things (and by this i meant cheating, not giving opponents a point when he knows a serve is in, abusing the time-out rules, etc.), someone pointed out that you were incorrect with the facts, and you just use it to show his sometimes-inappropriate on-court behavior, which is not at issue here, which no one even disagrees with........ :scratch: you make it clear ad nauseum that you can't stand him, but it obviously makes you feel good to keep twisting stuff around to get another opportunity to express that. But the very title of this thread basically accepts that he is a jerk on court, the discussion is about him off-court, so I'm not sure why it's so important to you to have the last word on his on-court behavior. And i'm not sure why you care so much that he has fans who are willing to accept his imperfections and support him anyway. We know he can be an asshole on court, we don't really like it, but we accept him for the human being that he fully admits to being. And I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it is the person he is off-court - the person I myself have witnessed countless times over the years - that is why I support him.

Do you feel better now? :)

Listen, I know we're always going to disagree on this. But I'm okay with arguing about it for a little longer. I've been sick and can't get to sleep anyway. But you're the one who keeps saying it's not worth her time to argue over this...and then coming back to argue some more. Make up your mind already.

Action Jackson
02-06-2009, 03:55 AM
Tangy, do you actually know what proleteriat means?

~*BGT*~
02-06-2009, 03:57 AM
Do you feel better now? :)

Listen, I know we're always going to disagree on this. But I'm okay with arguing about it for a little longer. I've been sick and can't get to sleep anyway. But you're the one who keeps saying it's not worth her time to argue over this...and then coming back to argue some more. Make up your mind already.

Well, now I'm confused. :confused: No one is arguing his on-court personality. This thread is about his off-court personality. Why are you talking about this? :scratch:

bluefork
02-06-2009, 04:00 AM
Well, now I'm confused. :confused: No one is arguing his on-court personality. This thread is about his off-court personality. Why are you talking about this? :scratch:

Sorry. Someone else brought up that he doesn't do anything unsporting on court, and I felt compelled to object.

Outside tennis I don't know him at all, so I'll admit that I have no right to comment on what he's like (as is the case with almost everyone else on MTF).

andylovesaustin
02-06-2009, 12:05 PM
I agree with the poster about Andy being a little embarrassing at times, and obviously I am a Roddick fan. I have no problem saying that Andy gets carried away. He does. That's a fact. I am not going to defend him for it. It's just one more thing upon which he needs to improve.

But what I really am shccked to discover is many Federer fans make excuses for his poor behavior. I swear, I thought, by the way Fed was acting at the AO trophy ceremony, he was going to announce he was retiring or a friend or family was dying. But no, he was just upset he lost.

Can anyone imagine if Andy or Novak had behaved that way? People would never let either one forget it. But Fed makes excuses that he "cares about the sport." Well, they all care about the sport, it seems to me. Does he mean players have to have a breakdown sobbing to show they care about the sport?

No, Fed cares about winning--just like Andy. There is no shame in that. But apparently neither one has a handle on being a "good sport" all the time except Andy (and other players) are held to a higher standard, while Federer is given a pass. As much as Andy could improve his attitude, so could Roger Federer.

I have read some Federer fans say, "Oh poor Roger couldn't help it." Well, neither can Andy, I guess, but very few offer any sympathy to him. They both just get too caught-up in "competition" albeit displaying their frustrations in different ways.

Tankman
02-06-2009, 12:28 PM
ah a nice benign thread. It's an Andy thread! :D :cool: :lol:

Be warned guys because I'm gonna be here more often later today :p

scarecrows
02-06-2009, 12:28 PM
This thread is about his (Roddick's) off-court personality.

how come so many people feel the need to mention other players? :scratch:

andylovesaustin
02-06-2009, 01:09 PM
how come so many people feel the need to mention other players? :scratch:

I mentioned Federer because I think he can be just as annoying as Andy in a passive aggressive way.

But the difference is that generally speaking, Andy gets a lot of well-deserved flack for his behavior, but Federer gets sympathy! LOL

I am a huge fan of Roger's, but he act like an ass sometimes. I am a fan of Andy's, too, but Andy can act like an ass sometimes.

It is what it is.

Venle
02-06-2009, 02:42 PM
Andy seems very funny and nice off-court ;)

His press of conferences rock!

tangerine_dream
02-06-2009, 02:47 PM
Tangy, do you actually know what proleteriat means?
Yeah I'm pretty sure I do, thanks. ;)

Andy seems very funny and nice off-court ;)

His press of conferences rock!
:yeah:

Nice guy Andy :hearts: with an edge :devil:

star
02-06-2009, 02:54 PM
Tangy, do you actually know what proleteriat means?

Here you go.


1: the laboring class ; especially : the class of industrial workers who lack their own means of production and hence sell their labor to live
2: the lowest social or economic class of a community

Originally it was identified as those people who had no wealth other than their sons. The term was initially used in a derogatory sense, until Karl Marx used it as a sociological term to refer to the working class.

You really should consult the dictionary rather than asking Tangy when you are stumped on vocabulary. :hatoff:

scarecrows
02-06-2009, 03:11 PM
But the difference is that generally speaking, Andy gets a lot of well-deserved flack for his behavior, but Federer gets sympathy! LOL



i guess you havent been around lately

andylovesaustin
02-06-2009, 03:25 PM
i guess you havent been around lately


Yeah well.. I'm new! But I have been lurking for awhile

It's stands to reason Roger's critics would just have more to gripe about. I am still shocked more Fed fans aren't more critical after the AO. I'm not saying to dump the guy. I think Roger's great. But he needs to improve upon a few things. Maybe this is a sad realization?

I guess with Andy, it's a given he needs to improve upon a few things. But all in all Roddick isn't so bad. He's really funny, and he does a lot of charity work. Plus, he's from Austin, so he has something going for him right there!

star
02-06-2009, 03:33 PM
Yeah well.. I'm new! But I have been lurking for awhile

It's stands to reason Roger's critics would just have more to gripe about. I am still shocked more Fed fans aren't more critical after the AO. I'm not saying to dump the guy. I think Roger's great. But he needs to improve upon a few things. Maybe this is a sad realization?

I guess with Andy, it's a given he needs to improve upon a few things. But all in all Roddick isn't so bad. He's really funny, and he does a lot of charity work. Plus, he's from Austin, so he has something going for him right there!

Welcome! You might have a bit of a rough ride being a new poster although being a Federer fan will help you out. I can see from the first three posts of yours I've read that you want to be a fair observer of the game. Glad to have you here. :)

Also, if you're from Austin, that's good too. I've got friends there.

tangerine_dream
02-06-2009, 03:34 PM
I guess with Andy, it's a given he needs to improve upon a few things. But all in all Roddick isn't so bad. He's really funny, and he does a lot of charity work. Plus, he's from Austin, so he has something going for him right there!
This reminds me a joke I read somewhere I don't remember where, but people were listing the good and bad things about their favorite players, and somebody wrote:

Andy Roddick
GOOD: Lives in Austin
BAD: Lives in Texas

I thought that was funny. :rolls:

Corey Feldman
02-06-2009, 03:37 PM
charity work is overated as its more to do with sneaky tax reasons i bet

andylovesaustin
02-06-2009, 03:40 PM
Welcome! You might have a bit of a rough ride being a new poster although being a Federer fan will help you out. I can see from the first three posts of yours I've read that you want to be a fair observer of the game. Glad to have you here. :)

Also, if you're from Austin, that's good too. I've got friends there.

Thank you for the welcome.

First and foremost, I am a tennis fan. I love tennis. Andy? Well, hey I am going to support my hometown boy. I'll admit to his shortcomings, but I am going to support him! I hope he can win another grand slam, but.. you know.. we shall see.

Andy Roddick
GOOD: Lives in Austin
BAD: Lives in Texas

LOL There is some truth to this, I can't deny!

Yeah.. Austin is pretty liberal and progressive compared to some other parts of Texas. Of course, Austin is the self-proclaimed, live music capital of the world! It's a fun city. I like it.

star
02-06-2009, 03:49 PM
Thank you for the welcome.

First and foremost, I am a tennis fan. I love tennis. Andy? Well, hey I am going to support my hometown boy. I'll admit to his shortcomings, but I am going to support him! I hope he can win another grand slam, but.. you know.. we shall see.



:hug: Love of tennis is what binds us together here no matter how much we scratch and claw at one another.

Being an Andy fan is a complex state. :lol:

And, anyway people who sneer at Texas don't really know anything about Texas. :)

cobalt60
02-06-2009, 05:06 PM
:hug: Love of tennis is what binds us together here no matter how much we scratch and claw at one another.

Being an Andy fan is a complex state. :lol:

And, anyway people who sneer at Texas don't really know anything about Texas. :)

very true all of that;)

Fee
02-07-2009, 02:06 AM
So what if Federer cried at the AO, get over it already. Sheesh. He cries easily, some people are cursed that way (don't ever sit in a room with me when a sentimental commercial for a florist comes on TV, it's not pretty).



Andy is no more and no less a jerk in real life than EVERYONE who has posted in this thread. The same can be said of just about every tennis player on tour, male and female, because they are human beings just like us. Shocking, I know.

andylovesaustin
02-07-2009, 11:38 AM
So what if Federer cried at the AO, get over it already. Sheesh. He cries easily, some people are cursed that way (don't ever sit in a room with me when a sentimental commercial for a florist comes on TV, it's not pretty).



Andy is no more and no less a jerk in real life than EVERYONE who has posted in this thread. The same can be said of just about every tennis player on tour, male and female, because they are human beings just like us. Shocking, I know.


As far as Roger, I have no problem with him crying. But it was shocking to me to see him sobbing uncontrollably during most of the trophy ceremony. I understand he couldn't help it, but I just think it's a little something upon which he might improve. It's about controlling one's emotion to a certain extent.. to where it doesn't take away from you as a player--even in defeat.

Similarly, Andy might do a better job of controlling his temper. It might actually help him not to be distracted, and just get on with playing the game.

I do agree we all have a little something or more that we could work-on to improve. Andy and Roger are no different than the rest of us in this respect. It's not like Andy and Roger are "bad" people, necessarily. It's more about not taking the competition so seriously that one can't put it in perspective. Since we are talking about Andy here, for him, is the competition really worth demeaning a umpire just because he made a call?

P.S. If both of them were just kids, well Ok.. But they are adults.. veterans of their sport. By now, they should have learned to act like adults and put stuff in perspective. Of course, we ALL have our little "inner" battles, so..

Dougie
02-07-2009, 11:45 AM
As far as Roger, I have no problem with him crying. But it was shocking to me to see him sobbing uncontrollably during most of the trophy ceremony. I understand he couldn't help it, but I just think it's a little something upon which he might improve. It's about controlling one's emotion to a certain extent.. to where they don't take away from you as a player.

Similarly, Andy might do a better job of controlling his temper. It might actually help him not to be distracted, and just get on with playing the game.

I do agree we all have a little something or more that we could work-on to improve. Andy and Roger are no different than the rest of us in this respect. It's not like Andy and Roger are "bad" people, necessarily. It's more about not taking the competition so seriously that one can't put it in perspective. Since we are talking about Andy here, for him, is the competition really worth demeaning a umpire just because he made a call?

I donīt think having strong emotions is bad, itīs more about how you deal with them, and what you do with them. If Andy feels his outbursts improve his game, then fine. It worked for McEnroe. And does anyone remember when Samprasī coach Tim(or Tom) Gullikson was in hospital with a brain tumour and Pete was playing Courier in the AO. The man was crying his eyes out and still hitting ace after ace.
My point is that itīs not always the best player who has the least feelings, itīs about turning those emotions that everyone has into something beneficial.

andylovesaustin
02-07-2009, 11:59 AM
I donīt think having strong emotions is bad, itīs more about how you deal with them, and what you do with them. If Andy feels his outbursts improve his game, then fine. It worked for McEnroe. And does anyone remember when Samprasī coach Tim(or Tom) Gullikson was in hospital with a brain tumour and Pete was playing Courier in the AO. The man was crying his eyes out and still hitting ace after ace.
My point is that itīs not always the best player who has the least feelings, itīs about turning those emotions that everyone has into something beneficial.


Oh.. yeah I remember Pete sobbing.. His coach was dying. Now, that's something to sob about. I honestly thought something similar was going on with Roger.

I guess we are going to have to disagree on this, but Roger's breakdown was a little much. Crying.. ok. I am OK with that. But sobbing due to losing to the point where it's a distraction from the other person winning is a bit much, and I am a fan of Roger's. I haven't lost respect for him or anything. I don't think he is a sissy. I just think it's a little something he needs to work-on.. to control a little bit.

I am not so sure Andy's temper works for him all the time. From what I have seen, Andy is easily distracted, so I am not so sure his if Andy has learned how to use his outbursts to his advantage.

And it's one thing to have a temper, it's quite another to demean a linesperson. For me, that's not ok. I don't have a problem with questionning calls. But in my opinion, there is line that shouldn't be crossed. Is winning so important that demeaning a linesman is acceptable? For me, it's not so much. But that's just my opinion.

Dougie
02-07-2009, 01:13 PM
And it's one thing to have a temper, it's quite another to demean a linesperson. For me, that's not ok. I don't have a problem with questionning calls. But in my opinion, there is line that shouldn't be crossed. Is winning so important that demeaning a linesman is acceptable? For me, it's not so much. But that's just my opinion.

I never said something like that is ok. Of course itīs not. I was talking about emotions and their effect in the game in general. Obviously there is a line that shouldnīt be crossed, linesmen, and especialy ballboys- and girls shouldnīt have to take crap from the players.

Deboogle!.
02-07-2009, 03:31 PM
From what I have seen, Andy is easily distracted, so I am not so sure his if Andy has learned how to use his outbursts to his advantage.Well, from my observations over the years, he's better than he used to be. It used to be, if he got mad at a line call, he was done for that set or sometimes even match. I remember he played Ginepri at...Indy? a few years ago, got a really bum call, he was clearly right, but instead of just moving on and trying to win the match, he went on a total walkabout, lost his serve and then the match. Now, at least he seems to mostly be able to get it out of his system and move on, but no, he does not use it to his advantage like some former players used to be able to do.

And it's one thing to have a temper, it's quite another to demean a linesperson. For me, that's not ok. I don't have a problem with questionning calls. But in my opinion, there is line that shouldn't be crossed. Is winning so important that demeaning a linesman is acceptable? For me, it's not so much. But that's just my opinion.To be a bit fair, I can't recall Andy actually going up to a linesperson and saying anything. Not that taking it out on the umpire is right, but at least it's the ump that has the final say and that's who Andy typically directs his anger at (plus the players know the umps and the umps know the players, I really doubt they take anything Andy says seriously and he's been known to apologize to them afterwards). I've never seen Andy go up into a linesman's face like Gonzalez did a few years ago. He may say really stupid and embarrassing things but thank god, I've never seen him appear violent towards a linesperson :o:lol:

And andylovesaustin, I think your ultimate point is a great one. Look we are all imperfect. So's Andy, so's Roger, so's everyone. That's why humanity is so fun and interesting, right? If we were all perfect and the same, life would be boring. Some people's imperfections are so difficult for others to accept that they can't like those people. That's fine. People don't like Andy b/c of his occasional on-court behavior, that's fine. For me, and obviously all of his fans, he shows us enough other good qualities to warrant our support. For Roger, Novak, whoever, their fans obviously see the same good things in them. That's why tennis is such an interesting sport. For team sports, you support your home team no matter who comes and plays for them (for the most part anyway). But with tennis, you have to connect with the personalities because of the sport's nature. And that's part of the reason it's so fun :yeah:

andylovesaustin
02-08-2009, 12:11 PM
Well, from my observations over the years, he's better than he used to be. It used to be, if he got mad at a line call, he was done for that set or sometimes even match. I remember he played Ginepri at...Indy? a few years ago, got a really bum call, he was clearly right, but instead of just moving on and trying to win the match, he went on a total walkabout, lost his serve and then the match. Now, at least he seems to mostly be able to get it out of his system and move on, but no, he does not use it to his advantage like some former players used to be able to do.

To be a bit fair, I can't recall Andy actually going up to a linesperson and saying anything. Not that taking it out on the umpire is right, but at least it's the ump that has the final say and that's who Andy typically directs his anger at (plus the players know the umps and the umps know the players, I really doubt they take anything Andy says seriously and he's been known to apologize to them afterwards). I've never seen Andy go up into a linesman's face like Gonzalez did a few years ago. He may say really stupid and embarrassing things but thank god, I've never seen him appear violent towards a linesperson :o:lol:

And andylovesaustin, I think your ultimate point is a great one. Look we are all imperfect. So's Andy, so's Roger, so's everyone. That's why humanity is so fun and interesting, right? If we were all perfect and the same, life would be boring. Some people's imperfections are so difficult for others to accept that they can't like those people. That's fine. People don't like Andy b/c of his occasional on-court behavior, that's fine. For me, and obviously all of his fans, he shows us enough other good qualities to warrant our support. For Roger, Novak, whoever, their fans obviously see the same good things in them. That's why tennis is such an interesting sport. For team sports, you support your home team no matter who comes and plays for them (for the most part anyway). But with tennis, you have to connect with the personalities because of the sport's nature. And that's part of the reason it's so fun :yeah:


Well, I'll agree technically speaking, Andy usually doesn't have words with linesmen. And in Andy's defense, from what I can tell his outbursts are no way near as bad as say Johnny Mac's or Jimmy Connors.

However, if Andy feels the need to apologize for his behavior to anybody, then maybe he should rethink getting into the situation in the first place? I have to give him credit, Andy isn't as bad as he used to be. But it's just generally speaking, after awhile, apologies don't mean very much if one keeps making the same mistakes over and over again.

But yeah, Andy isn't such a bad guy--no better or worse than the rest of the players or us really. I like him. I want him to win another grand slam tournament at either Federer's or Nadal's expense. I know it's wishful thinking though..

I was just reading an article in another thread, and the writer said that to "practice for Nadal," Roger needed to take chances when he played somebody like Roddick.. since it seems to be a given that Roger was going to beat someone like Andy.

I'd like Andy to turn it around, at least once.

crude oil
02-09-2009, 05:51 AM
to his credit, andy has improved his on court demeanor tremendously.

his game requires him to function at an amped up pace...and to be jacked up and almost antagonistic. he needs to come out and lay the smack down with his serve and his game requires high energy.

thats just andy.

tangerine_dream
02-10-2009, 03:06 PM
He just can't stop being a jerk. :awww:

Andy Roddick (on Federer's emotional post-match reaction): "I think in sports you can certainly, you know, everyone can relate to being disappointed. I think the thing about, you know, kind of having to stay on for an awards ceremony and from what I read, I think Roger touched on it. Kind of going after a match, taking a shower, stretching, that's kind of all part of your routine to kind of cool down and to kind of almost try to grab a sense of perspective and get away from everybody watching for a second.

"When you have to go straight into the awards ceremony, you know, it's not easy especially after losing a Grand Slam final. I've been on the other end of that with Roger a couple of times. So I don't think it's surprising or out of the ordinary."

Vida
02-10-2009, 03:10 PM
roddick would rather die than say something dubious about fed, that's just his ass-kissing-safe-routine nature... it doesn't affect the subject of the thread.

tangerine_dream
02-10-2009, 03:17 PM
:lol: Okay if you say so. I don't know of too many assholes who kiss butt for no reason.

Vida
02-10-2009, 03:27 PM
:lol: Okay if you say so. I don't know of too many assholes who kiss butt for no reason.

now that we're @ it... it's connected actually - the so called: 'safety plug'.

see, when you're an asshole by nature, meaning you don't really care 'bout anyone/thing but your azz, you tend to randomly kiss other - neighboring asses just for safety reasons. so you won't be unraveled, get it?

same is here. Roddich is basically pulling the safety plug on journos when it comes to the man who has killed him so many times, so he wouldn't appear as if he is moved by it (the killing I mean). it would be soooo lame, like 'yeah, I lost to a wanker'... instead it's like 'yeah, the crying is ok, cause he's sooo cool any there is no way I would have lost to a wanker'.

its just basic psychobabble. ;)

Deboogle!.
02-10-2009, 03:42 PM
um yeah, or maybe Andy really likes Roger a lot and understands what he's going through b/c he's been there several times himself? Nah, that's not dramatic enough for MTF :)

Vida
02-10-2009, 03:52 PM
um yeah, or maybe Andy really likes Roger a lot and understands what he's going through b/c he's been there several times himself? Nah, that's not dramatic enough for MTF :)

:lol: nah.