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Nadal calls for fewer hard courts, reduced season

alfonsojose
02-02-2009, 01:57 PM
"In my humble opinion, we have to change that a bit more,” the Spaniard said. “I can say that because I won a grand slam on hard (courts).”

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AnnWQaeYny9ThRLHn0U1H9g4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns

Pocahontas doesn't waste time :rolleyes:

MacTheKnife
02-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Politicking for a career extending move. Makes sense.

Fumus
02-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Can anyone really argue with him?

myrt
02-02-2009, 02:30 PM
He's right. I don't care how well conditioned an athlete is...when you have to play the hard court circuit in late summer...back to back Toronto [ or Montreal] and Cincy...then a week later in New York, followed by Davis cup[in which most of the top players will be participating]. ..that's a lot of pounding mentally and physically. Spread out the calendar and give us more grass. We want to see our best players at their best .

FedFan
02-02-2009, 02:30 PM
Never in doubt. He is only interested in his career and pretends to speak for the sake of his colleagues. :rolleyes:

There are many players, who are glad with an extended tennis season, namely the lesser rankes ones. He is multimillionaire and should know about it.

If he wants he can skip the season after Wimbledon, it is his own decision. Why should the ATP care?

finishingmove
02-02-2009, 02:32 PM
he's right..

there's too much hardcourts and the clay season is pretty tightly packed

adee-gee
02-02-2009, 02:37 PM
Win the US Open and retire from hard courts son :yeah:

guga2120
02-02-2009, 03:04 PM
He is completly right, there are way too many hard court matches, and the clay season is way too short.

Win the US Open and retire from hard courts son :yeah:

:)

jcreback
02-02-2009, 03:09 PM
I am in the "then don't play all the tournaments" camp. Those tournaments need to exist for lower-ranked players to make money. If he doesn't want to play, or play less hard court tournaments, he can. To maintain a full ranking, he needs to play 18 of the how many weeks of the year? I'm sure he can find a way to pace himself.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:10 PM
Mugboar needs to shut his trap. His brethren have already slowed down all the courts and removed practically all carpet surfaces. If the ATP bends to Mugboar, the only thing left in tennis will clay, slow grass, and slow hard courts.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:13 PM
He is completly right, there are way too many hard court matches, and the clay season is way too short.

Absoulte BS. The clay court season is fine. What needs to be extended is the grass season with real grass and not the slow grass used at Wimbledon and also introduce carpet tournaments.

MacTheKnife
02-02-2009, 03:16 PM
Spread out the calendar and give us more grass. We want to see our best players at their best .

More grass ?? Now there's a novel idea that would make way to much sense. Unfortunately, tennis has become a two surface pony.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 03:24 PM
Thats selfish. He is thinking in his own career, in his own game and his own body. Maybe it doesn´t affect the top players that much...but: What about the other guys who wants to play more tournaments and win points to be better ranked? what about the guys who like to play in fast (now not that fast) hard courts? Why he is always complaining about everything?
I never heard Roddick or other hard courts guys, saying that the clay season has to be shorter or something like that. Play in less tournaments Rafa, thats the solution.

guga2120
02-02-2009, 03:24 PM
Absoulte BS. The clay court season is fine. What needs to be extended is the grass season with real grass and not the slow grass used at Wimbledon and also introduce carpet tournaments.

The real clay season is only for about 2 1/2 months, that's not long enough. In Europe and South America almost everybody grows up playing on clay. At the very least there should be more time in between tournaments.

A grass master series would be very good though, just as long as there are less hardcourts.

l_mac
02-02-2009, 03:24 PM
I am in the "then don't play all the tournaments" camp. Those tournaments need to exist for lower-ranked players to make money. If he doesn't want to play, or play less hard court tournaments, he can. To maintain a full ranking, he needs to play 18 of the how many weeks of the year? I'm sure he can find a way to pace himself.

No, he can't really. The mandatory tournaments start in January and end late November.

He's entitled to have and air an opinion.

I think the season is too long, and there are too many mandatory tournaments on hardcourt.

Last year he played 5 non mandatory tournaments. Chennai as an AO warm up. Rotterdam and Dubai between the AO and the two American hardcourt masters in USA, Barcelona, and Queens as a warm up for Wimbledon.

This year he is meant to play a 500 tournament AFTER the US Open under the new ATP rules.

zerocool_
02-02-2009, 03:25 PM
Absoulte BS. The clay court season is fine. What needs to be extended is the grass season with real grass and not the slow grass used at Wimbledon and also introduce carpet tournaments.

x2

feeder1803
02-02-2009, 03:26 PM
I am in the "then don't play all the tournaments" camp. Those tournaments need to exist for lower-ranked players to make money. If he doesn't want to play, or play less hard court tournaments, he can. To maintain a full ranking, he needs to play 18 of the how many weeks of the year? I'm sure he can find a way to pace himself.
He is not saying there should be less tournaments but less HC tournaments. More than half of the season tournaments are played in HC which is the worst surface to prevent injuries cause your body suffers much more than in grass or clay. What Nadal is saying is that they should reduce the HC season and increase grass and clay, something that sounds very logical to me not only for health reasons but also for the equality of the sport. Those who are better on grass or clay have many less oportunities to do well in HC. Is that fair? I don't think so.

So players that want to play lots of tournaments can do it...but in different surfaces.It is not opposed to what you're saying

jcreback
02-02-2009, 03:27 PM
But it is the same for every player, not just Nadal. Most other players are fine with it as is. To keep a full ranking he can easily take at least one week off every month of the year. If his body can't handle it, then that is his problem. There are quite a few guys who play a lot of tournies each year who are still going into their 30s.

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 03:28 PM
Nadal is right... why wouldnt you want the great squaring off for an extra five years in a career...? How could rosewall win a Grand Slam closer to 40...? and connors making a USO semi at 39...?

you must ask yourself the question... why doesnt this happen any more...?

and why would the so-called fans want to be robbed of the potential pro match up of players from different generations as it once could...?

jcreback
02-02-2009, 03:30 PM
He is not saying there should be less tournaments but less HC tournaments. More than half of the season tournaments are played in HC which is the worst surface to prevent injuries cause your body suffers much more than in grass or clay. What Nadal is saying is that they should reduce the HC season and increase grass and clay, something that sounds very logical to me not only for health reasons but also for the equality of the sport. Those who are better on grass or clay have many less oportunities to do well in HC. Is that fair? I don't think so.

So players that want to play lots of tournaments can do it...but in different surfaces.It is not opposed to what you're saying

There is a clay tournament 4 weeks in February, 4 weeks in April, 3 weeks in May (including a GS), 1 week in June (after the French), 3 weeks in July, and 1 week in September. 16 weeks out of the season with clay tournaments (more than one event per week often) isn't enough?

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:32 PM
There is a clay tournament 4 weeks in February, 4 weeks in April, 3 weeks in May (including a GS), 1 week in June (after the French), 3 weeks in July, and 1 week in September. 16 weeks out of the season with clay tournaments (more than one event per week often) isn't enough?

It's definitely enough. Mugboar is just really opportunistic. His dirtballing brethren have already destroyed the tour and he is following in their footsteps.

FedFan
02-02-2009, 03:33 PM
He is not saying there should be less tournaments but less HC tournaments. More than half of the season tournaments are played in HC which is the worst surface to prevent injuries cause your body suffers much more than in grass or clay. What Nadal is saying is that they should reduce the HC season and increase grass and clay, something that sounds very logical to me not only for health reasons but also for the equality of the sport. Those who are better on grass or clay have many less oportunities to do well in HC. Is that fair? I don't think so.

So players that want to play lots of tournaments can do it...but in different surfaces.It is not opposed to what you're saying


Has Nadal ever complained about the disappearance of carpet, has he ever complained about the courts getting slower and slower? He is only speaking for his interests.

There are some attacking players like Ancic, who had the right to complain, not Nadal. He can reduce his schedule or he can play a different style, if he wants to stay healthy. As simple as that.

jcreback
02-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Furthermore, from early April to mid-July, there aren't hardcourt tournaments to be found anywhere.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:36 PM
Has Nadal ever complained about the disappearance of carpet, has he ever complained about the courts getting slower and slower? He is only speaking for his interests.

There are some attacking players like Ancic, who had the right to complain, not Nadal. He can reduce his schedule or he can play a different style, if he wants to stay healthy. As simple as that.

This is absolutely true. This is the most disgraceful number one to ever live. He takes too many timeouts, takes too much time in between points, and is just opportunistic in general. Mugboar is an absolute disgrace to the sport. He only wins hard court matches because of cakewalk draws.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 03:39 PM
Has Nadal ever complained about the disappearance of carpet, has he ever complained about the courts getting slower and slower? He is only speaking for his interests.

There are some attacking players like Ancic, who had the right to complain, not Nadal. He can reduce his schedule or he can play a different style, if he wants to stay healthy. As simple as that.

I can´t agree more. I remember Ancic and Tsonga complaining about slower courts, what about pleople like them?

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 03:41 PM
It's all over folks. Carpet is not coming back while there is a moonballer mug winning HC slams and advocating more clay and less tournaments.

Then there was that moron in the other thread saying Nadull speaks for the other players. I'm sure the lower-ranked players are loving this idea of having less tournaments in the season. :rolleyes:

jcreback
02-02-2009, 03:43 PM
Let's face the truth. Hardcourt is the best barometer of skill in pro tennis. Clay and Grass both favor certain styles that some players use to make them look better than they are. You can't succeed on hardcourt with having a good game. Nadal has that, so he should stop complaining about it. His style of game is going to break down his body regardless of surface.

FedFan
02-02-2009, 03:43 PM
Nadal calls for shorter season

Had he not been so worn out from all the tennis he played, the 22-year-old may now completed a rare grand slam sweep at Melbourne Park.
Nadal on Monday blamed exhaustion for his US Open semi-final loss to Andy Murray.
"Last year was tough at the US Open," he said.
"I arrived playing well, winning Olympics, winning Toronto, having semi-finals in Cincinnati.
"So I was playing a high level of tennis.
"But I felt during the tournament it was going to be almost impossible to win the title because I feel too tired.
"Mentally and physically, I wasn't there. The semi-finals especially, against Murray, I really can't move."

What a disgrace, he can't give Murray the credit for his US Open semifinal win. :rolleyes:
What a fair sportsman!

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:44 PM
It's all over folks. Carpet is not coming back while there is a moonballer mug winning HC slams and advocating more clay and less tournaments.

Then there was that moron in the other thread saying Nadull speaks for the other players. I'm sure the lower-ranked players are loving this idea of having less tournaments in the season. :rolleyes:


Who said this? What a joke that moron is. Mugboar shouldn't be part of the ATP player council. He has awful communication skills and only looks out for himself.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:46 PM
Nadal calls for shorter season

Had he not been so worn out from all the tennis he played, the 22-year-old may now completed a rare grand slam sweep at Melbourne Park.
Nadal on Monday blamed exhaustion for his US Open semi-final loss to Andy Murray.
"Last year was tough at the US Open," he said.
"I arrived playing well, winning Olympics, winning Toronto, having semi-finals in Cincinnati.
"So I was playing a high level of tennis.
"But I felt during the tournament it was going to be almost impossible to win the title because I feel too tired.
"Mentally and physically, I wasn't there. The semi-finals especially, against Murray, I really can't move."

What a disgrace, he can't give Murray the credit for his US Open semifinal win. :rolleyes:
What a fair sportsman!

I know. He always makes an excuse for every loss. Nobody does that except Mugboar the destroyer of tennis. Federer needs to man up and stop tennis from being crippled permanently.

Burrow
02-02-2009, 03:47 PM
It's all over folks. Carpet is not coming back while there is a moonballer mug winning HC slams and advocating more clay and less tournaments.

Then there was that moron in the other thread saying Nadull speaks for the other players. I'm sure the lower-ranked players are loving this idea of having less tournaments in the season. :rolleyes:

It's getting to the stage where pretty much all the surfaces are the same.

I'd like to see more carpet and real grass back.

The way the courts are now throughout the year is benefiting for one type of player, if it keeps going at this rate everybody will be an all and out grinder.

I miss the 90's and up until around 2004.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 03:50 PM
It's getting to the stage where pretty much all the surfaces are the same.

I'd like to see more carpet and real grass back.

The way the courts are now throughout the year is benefiting for one type of player, if it keeps going at this rate everybody will be an all and out grinder.

I miss the 90's and up until around 2004.

There should be a ban on all dirtballers so the tour can be fixed.

zadle69
02-02-2009, 04:02 PM
I agree with this point that the surfaces have been getting slower and slower. Even someone said that this year Australian Open the surface was slower than last year. I think it is ok to give an opinion but sometimes you need to watch what you say because it could come back to hurt you in the long run in your career.

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 04:04 PM
It's getting to the stage where pretty much all the surfaces are the same.

I'd like to see more carpet and real grass back.

The way the courts are now throughout the year is benefiting for one type of player, if it keeps going at this rate everybody will be an all and out grinder.

I miss the 90's and up until around 2004.

Agreed.

All real tennis fans miss those times, when there was diversity in tennis.

tangerine_dream
02-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Harcourts are fine. There should be less clay. Nobody should be playing on clay after Wimbledon. We need more grass tournaments. Grass is becoming the Rainman of surfaces, 'Oh, there's grass too?'

Montego
02-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Agreed.

All real tennis fans miss those times, when there was diversity in tennis.


So I am not a real tennis fan since I don't miss those times ?

Pity, cause I have been watching tennis since early 90s and right now I know that I am not a real tennis fan. My life has become a ruin because of your statement. I am going to kill myself.

Johnny Groove
02-02-2009, 04:09 PM
All the Rafa-haters in here :baby: :baby:

We do need more grass events though. And carpet. Diversity in surfaces would be awesome.

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 04:13 PM
So I am not a real tennis fan since I don't miss those times ?

Pity, cause I have been watching tennis since early 90s and right now I know that I am not a real tennis fan. My life has become a ruin because of your statement. I am going to kill myself.

Do whatever you want.

If you think this era is good, with all players playing exactly the same style, you're not a real tennis fan.

Bazooka
02-02-2009, 04:17 PM
LOL, looks like if there was a dozen people trashing Nadal in this thread but there's only two guys that work real hard.

Clay season has enough tournaments, but they should be less packed, some of the most important tournaments are in consecutive weeks (MC, Barcelona, Rome, then one week of MM, then Madrid, another MM week, then RG). That's 8 weeks only, holding potentially 6.000 points. Players like Nadal or Roger, hoping to reach the late rounds of most events, may end up playing 25+ matches in fifty-something days. And right after that, the even shorter and more packed grass season starts. And there you have it, around 40% of the season is packed in 12 weeks, then you have 30+ weeks of hardcourt tennis.

Yes, there's clay before and after this, but in events really not for top players. It's not a good idea to go now and play clay instead of Dubai if you want to do well in IW or Miami, just as you could play more clay before Wimbledon instead of Halle/Queens, but it would really mean you don't care about grass.

So I get his point, and yes, he is voicing concerns that threaten directly his own interests, but who doesn't?

A few years ago we had 3 slams on grass and one on clay, and we even had two on clay at some point. Was that an era of anti-tennis? was it a moonballing fest? who where the grinder, moonballing mugs that won back then? Connors, MacEnroe, Borg.

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 04:19 PM
McEnroe a grinder?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Oh my. What a pearl.

Montego
02-02-2009, 04:23 PM
Do whatever you want.

You're not a real tennis fan.

Ok, if you say so, my oracle.

FedFan
02-02-2009, 04:24 PM
I hope the new ATP chief Helfant cares about the diversity of the game and the interests of all players, not only the topstars.

But the development of the last few years is not encouraging.

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 04:27 PM
I hope the new ATP chief Helfant cares about the diversity of the game and the interests of all players, not only the topstars.

But the development of the last few years is not encouraging.

:lol:

You're naive.

First, not even Frauderer is actually making a move towards it. Then, do you think that a guy who doesn't have any experience about the sport really knows or cares about what the tour really needs? The only chance would be to put an ex-player out there, who knows what the sport is all about and who understands that tennis, to be interesting, must have diversity.

star
02-02-2009, 04:32 PM
I would be fine with eliminating the whole European indoor season after the U.S.O. I think the northern autumn would be a good time to have tournaments in South America and even Africa.

thrust
02-02-2009, 05:10 PM
He's right. I don't care how well conditioned an athlete is...when you have to play the hard court circuit in late summer...back to back Toronto [ or Montreal] and Cincy...then a week later in New York, followed by Davis cup[in which most of the top players will be participating]. ..that's a lot of pounding mentally and physically. Spread out the calendar and give us more grass. We want to see our best players at their best .

Very well said. Grass can be difficult to maintain. Perhaps American green clay, which is faster than European red clay, would be better. Also play can contine on clay with a mild rain.

Bazooka
02-02-2009, 05:11 PM
McEnroe a grinder?

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Oh my. What a pearl.

It was irony, you know. :P

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 05:12 PM
Irony only works when you're clear enough.

Otherwise, you just pass as really dumb.

I'll give you the benefit of doubt.

dusk
02-02-2009, 05:14 PM
Nadal IS right.
Fewer hard courts and reduced season would extend everybody's career.
Everyone who's ever played tennis on more than one surface can tell the difference between the HC and other surfaces impact on a body.

jcreback
02-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Nadal IS right.
Fewer hard courts and reduced season would extend everybody's career.
Everyone who's ever played tennis on more than one surface can tell the difference between the HC and other surfaces impact on a body.

Then let's have every tournament on a bunch of pillows to make sure no one ever will get hurt.

Per point it is likely hardcourts put more pressure on the body, but that is often offset by the fact that clay court matches generally take longer to complete and can be just as physically devastating on the body.

dusk
02-02-2009, 05:19 PM
Then let's have every tournament on a bunch of pillows to make sure no one ever will get hurt.

Per point it is likely hardcourts put more pressure on the body, but that is often offset by the fact that clay court matches generally take longer to complete and can be just as physically devastating on the body.

Clay's effect may be fatigue, but it doesn't screw joints and muscles like HC does.

jcreback
02-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Clay's effect may be fatigue, but it doesn't screw joints and muscles like HC does.

Which to me sounds like pick your poison. If Nadal is afraid hardcourts will shorten his career, he should stay off them when he can.

dusk
02-02-2009, 05:26 PM
Which to me sounds like pick your poison.

Hardly comparable.
Permanent-temporary affects.

alfonsojose
02-02-2009, 05:48 PM
It's all over folks. Carpet is not coming back while there is a moonballer mug winning HC slams and advocating more clay and less tournaments.

Then there was that moron in the other thread saying Nadull speaks for the other players. I'm sure the lower-ranked players are loving this idea of having less tournaments in the season. :rolleyes:

:worship:

DDrago2
02-02-2009, 06:06 PM
I think all the tournaments should be played solely on HC

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 06:10 PM
the world needs more synthetic grass... and fast clay...

CooCooCachoo
02-02-2009, 06:13 PM
There are some US events that can definitely be cut :p

Knightmace
02-02-2009, 06:27 PM
Nadal calls for shorter season

Had he not been so worn out from all the tennis he played, the 22-year-old may now completed a rare grand slam sweep at Melbourne Park.
Nadal on Monday blamed exhaustion for his US Open semi-final loss to Andy Murray.
"Last year was tough at the US Open," he said.
"I arrived playing well, winning Olympics, winning Toronto, having semi-finals in Cincinnati.
"So I was playing a high level of tennis.
"But I felt during the tournament it was going to be almost impossible to win the title because I feel too tired.
"Mentally and physically, I wasn't there. The semi-finals especially, against Murray, I really can't move."

What a disgrace, he can't give Murray the credit for his US Open semifinal win. :rolleyes:
What a fair sportsman!
He also did that to Tsonga a little bit.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 06:37 PM
Mugswine is the worst sportsman to ever exist. If his will is carried forward, tennis should not be allowed to be a professional sport.

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 06:43 PM
add this to the "Rafa is sooooooo sweet and classy :hearts: " shiet that is sweeping thru this forum now

partygirl
02-02-2009, 06:56 PM
why doesn't he play less then? :shrug:

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 06:57 PM
Nadal is always tired, no?

wally1
02-02-2009, 06:58 PM
Harcourts are fine. There should be less clay. Nobody should be playing on clay after Wimbledon. We need more grass tournaments. Grass is becoming the Rainman of surfaces, 'Oh, there's grass too?'Nothing new here though. The number of grass tournaments hasn't really changed since the AO and it's warm up tournaments moved to hard court in the late 80's. Good move for the tournament as it stopped being a poor mans Wimbledon, but bad for variety in the game.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 07:01 PM
Nadal is always tired, no?

I agree, no? I fool everyone into thinking I am very fit, no?

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Now, seriously, I don´t think Nadal is thinking about the all the players and his health, is not fair, and I´m tired to listen from so long ago that he is tired. He is not the only guy who plays, who trains hard and lives the heart in the court, so stop saying that ALL the time.

trixtah
02-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Let's face the truth. Hardcourt is the best barometer of skill in pro tennis. Clay and Grass both favor certain styles that some players use to make them look better than they are. You can't succeed on hardcourt with having a good game. Nadal has that, so he should stop complaining about it. His style of game is going to break down his body regardless of surface.

How do you define skill?

sawan66278
02-02-2009, 08:52 PM
Rafa is right: there need to be less hard court tourneys. The game is played at a MUCH higher level of intensity, and, the players are going to wear down by the running, stopping, and starting.

More grass court tourneys...or more carpet...but less hard courts, please.

Baghdatis#1
02-02-2009, 08:54 PM
:rolleyes:

Mr. Magassi
02-02-2009, 08:56 PM
They already slowed down OZ and Wimby... what's next?

l_mac
02-02-2009, 08:59 PM
why doesn't he play less then? :shrug:

What a brilliant idea. You should email this to his agent.

FedFan
02-02-2009, 09:01 PM
They already slowed down OZ and Wimby... what's next?


It is not that difficult, the US Open will be the next tournament to be slowed down, no? ;)

KoOlMaNsEaN
02-02-2009, 09:10 PM
Rafael just wants more clay courts so he can truly dominate. There's enough clay courts to go around. If anything we need more faster surfaces.

Mr. Magassi
02-02-2009, 09:11 PM
It is not that difficult, the US Open will be the next tournament to be slowed down, no? ;)

No... first Miami then US Open ;) No?

maki925
02-02-2009, 09:13 PM
For me it's perfect just like it is, I wouldn't change anything at all.Nobody pushes Nadal or anyone else to play if they don't like the surface.:aplot:

delpiero7
02-02-2009, 09:29 PM
The current calendar consists of the following number of tournaments on each surface:

Hard (indoor & outdoor): 37
Clay: 23 (though I'm not sure how many are green clay other than Houston)
Grass: 6
Carpet: 0

So 60 out of 66 tournaments are played on either hard or clay, which is ridiculous. The complete removal of carpet as a surface is also a huge joke. As is the fact that there are only 6 grass tournaments, many of which field a joke line up. In short, the whole calendar is a joke.

Hard and clay will always be the main surfaces for tennis, unless the Earth freezes over and every tournament is forced to be played on ice. However, it is clear that the calendar does need to be changed.

Firstly, I think pretty much all the tournaments that are played indoors (currently 10 + TMC) should be on carpet. So straight off that gives 10 carpet tourneys and 27 outdoor hard. Then get rid of 4/5/6 joke clay tournaments and find somewhere to play on grass instead.

New calendar then consists of:

Outdoor hard: 27
Indoor carpet: 10
Clay: 19/20
Grass: 10/11

Of course it will never happen due to the massive overhaul that would be required to the calendar.

That's my 2 bobs worth anyway.

Aliciasace
02-02-2009, 09:32 PM
well its easy for nadal to say - hard courts is his worst surface. Most players like a lot of hard courts.

jcreback
02-02-2009, 09:33 PM
delpiero,

I agree in principle with your breakdown (though I'm not a huge carpet fan), but you would have to move Wimbledon or the French, or play grass tournaments out of line with Wimbledon.

Pfloyd
02-02-2009, 09:36 PM
I mean Nadal is right in the sense that there are too many HC tournaments.

Instead of adding more clay tournaments, which wouldn't be necessary really, they should add many more grass tournaments and spread the clay season around.

I mean we talk about the different surfaces but Grass, save 6 tournaments or so, is a dying breed.

They should definitely eliminate or change some of the HC tournaments for Grass, just for the sake of being fair.

Either that, or get rid of all the grass tournies at once....

Nidhogg
02-02-2009, 09:39 PM
The point has already been made, but wake me up when we see more grass court tournaments with low bounce that allows eastern grips to excel. On a sidenote RG and many other clay tournaments has also lately been too fast for my liking.

AlexBogdanovic
02-02-2009, 09:53 PM
Clay courts should be cancelled.

freeandlonely
02-03-2009, 12:28 AM
fewer clay, it's boring

partygirl
02-03-2009, 12:29 AM
can we speed the clay up, since everything else seems to be slowing down?

I don't even know if its possible & i really don't understand why every major court is getting slower & slower except the US open.:confused:

Igaarg
02-03-2009, 12:31 AM
can we speed the clay up, since everything else seems to be slowing down?

I don't even know if its possible & i really don't understand why every major court is getting slower & slower except the US open.:confused:


Just wait. USO soon will become blue clay. Life is so unfair.

guga2120
02-03-2009, 12:35 AM
can we speed the clay up, since everything else seems to be slowing down?



You obviously did not watch clay tennis in the 90's. The clay is without a doubt, faster now.

wilmar
02-03-2009, 01:49 AM
The tennis season clearly favours the HC.

Slams
1 grass
1 clay
2 HC

Masters
0 grass
3 clay
the rest HC or indoor carpet

Even the year end Masters is on HC (anyone knows if the coming one in UK is on HC as well?)

And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

An ideal scenario would be to have each surface take up about 1/3 of the season. But of course all the different arguments will set in. This is precisely what the ATP is paid to work out.

Still, Nadal is correct for saying that there are too many HC events. It is a fact. But he never states that there has to be more clay events, just that these events have to be spreaded out. He has also been in strong support of having more grass tournaments.

And to those who point out that Nadal seems to be the only one complaining about being tired etc, you have to bear in mind the difference between tournaments played and matches played.

10 players may take part in the same number of tournies, but the matches played will not be the same.
Only those who do well will have to and get to play more matches. So obviously these top players will feel the strain more than the others. And in turn, the scheduling and length of the season will affect these players more.

If I'm always kicked out in the first round of every tournament. I surely would be less affected if I play on grass, clay, hard or underwater; and in london, new york, china or north pole!

meihaditalab
02-03-2009, 01:53 AM
He's more dominant on the clay obviously and the way he moves the hard court isn't great for his knees. He's completely right

partygirl
02-03-2009, 03:43 AM
You obviously did not watch clay tennis in the 90's. The clay is without a doubt, faster now.No. I really didn't get turned on to Tennis till may of 2003:o

SheepleBuster
02-03-2009, 03:53 AM
I think we should get rid of red clay altogether and make that whole season grass. That way, it'd be easier on the body.

bobbynorwich
02-03-2009, 04:10 AM
No, he can't really. The mandatory tournaments start in January and end late November.

He's entitled to have and air an opinion.

I think the season is too long, and there are too many mandatory tournaments on hardcourt.

Last year he played 5 non mandatory tournaments. Chennai as an AO warm up. Rotterdam and Dubai between the AO and the two American hardcourt masters in USA, Barcelona, and Queens as a warm up for Wimbledon.

This year he is meant to play a 500 tournament AFTER the US Open under the new ATP rules.

Regardless the season is too long with too many events, whatever the surface. Nice pix of Nadal and Fed, btw. :o

swebright
02-03-2009, 04:24 AM
Just play minimum required number of tournament.
Most importantly, play tennis line tennis. Don't play clay court style on hard court. Cut the points short and economize. As simple as that.

partygirl
02-03-2009, 04:49 AM
What a brilliant idea. You should email this to his agent....You got the address? :p

alfonsojose
02-03-2009, 01:57 PM
I miss tennis on carpet :sad:

JolánGagó
02-03-2009, 02:05 PM
I am in the "then don't play all the tournaments" camp. Those tournaments need to exist for lower-ranked players to make money.

I guess you mean for the lower ranked American players to make money. Can't they make money on clay and grass? :shrug:

Rafa is absolutely right. Tour should be more surface balanced. Americans don't dominate the tour anymore and it seems highly unlikely they would again in the foreseeable future so the HC preeminance must stop inmediately. If American lower ranked players want to make more money let's them learn how to play in different surfaces. Let them have a passport. Period.

HattonWBA
02-03-2009, 02:06 PM
He's right tehres way to many hard court tournements, they should extend the grass court season in my opinion

Swagger&Poise
02-03-2009, 02:08 PM
"In my humble opinion, we have to change that a bit more,” the Spaniard said. “I can say that because I won a grand slam on hard (courts).”

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AnnWQaeYny9ThRLHn0U1H9g4v7YF?slug=ap-nadal-hardcourts&prov=ap&type=lgns

Pocahontas doesn't waste time :rolleyes:

I haven't read through the thread, but this opening poster is completely biased against Nadal and changed the manner of what Nadal was saying by selecting a very brief portion of the interview.

By what you posted, it seems as though Nadal is saying that lesser hard courts is justified because he won the grand slam. That would be arrogant, but that is not what was meant if you read the interview in context alfonso :rolleyes:

What you conveniently left out in your OP was the part before what you pasted. Nadal was describing how hard courts have a huge toll on your body, and because he won the grand slam, ie PLAYED THROUGHOUT AN ENTIRE 5-SET TOURNAMENT MEANING HE PLAYED MORE MATCHES FOR A LONGER TIME ON HARD COURT THAN ANYONE ELSE, HE ENDURED THE PHYSICAL TOLL OF IT THE MOST.

So, "he can say that", ie he can say that it has such a bigger physical toll on the body compared to grass and clay because he has now experienced all three grand slam surfaces to their full extent, NOW THAT HE HAS PLAYED 7 MATCHES STRAIGHT IN GRAND SLAMS ON ALL 3 SURFACES, SO HE NOW HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO PLAY THROUGH A GRAND SLAM ON ALL 3 SURFACES (keep in mind he hasn't made the us open final, the AO was his first grand slam final on hard court).

Gee, my first day here and already I'm seeing ridiculous bias and manipulation.

MalwareDie
02-03-2009, 02:14 PM
So, "he can say that", ie he can say that it has such a bigger physical toll on the body compared to grass and clay because he has now experienced all three grand slam surfaces to their full extent, NOW THAT HE HAS PLAYED 7 MATCHES STRAIGHT IN GRAND SLAMS ON ALL 3 SURFACES, SO HE NOW HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO PLAY THROUGH A GRAND SLAM ON ALL 3 SURFACES (keep in mind he hasn't made the us open final, the AO was his first grand slam final on hard court).

Gee, my first day here and already I'm seeing ridiculous bias and manipulation.

It's just an excuse to reduce the hard court season. Playing six matches instead of seven is not a big difference at all. This is just another display of how opportunistic he is.

ryan23
02-03-2009, 03:14 PM
Clay courts should be cancelled.

Are you the brother of a guy that used to come on here called Jaap? :D you sound very alike

MacTheKnife
02-03-2009, 03:37 PM
As many have said, what's missing is grass, not clay. If the surfaces need to be more balanced, then it should be more grass and carpet. There is more than enough clay now.

bobbynorwich
02-27-2009, 12:33 PM
As many have said, what's missing is grass, not clay. If the surfaces need to be more balanced, then it should be more grass and carpet. There is more than enough clay now.
More grass? It's a faster service (despite Wimby's attempts to more their grass slower) making points shorter, although it does favor net play and serve-volley. While easier on the body --- like clay --- the expense makes it prohibitive. Good analysis of pros and cons in article below from Associated Content.

ASSOCIATED CONTENT: In times past all of the major tournaments in the world (Australian Open, Wimbledon, and US Open) where held on grass, except for the French Open. However, because maintaining grass courts is expensive, tournaments began to move towards other surfaces. However, due to high maintenance costs, grass courts are now rare as they must be watered and mowed often, and take a longer time to dry after rain than hard court. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_court#Grass_courts).

The other thing about grass courts is the style of play that the surface promotes. A grass court is a power player's dream come true. You could say that a grass court is the polar opposite of a clay court. On clay, power players can become frustrated by the surface's ability to absorb the zip from their shots. Also, balls bounce higher on a clay court. However, on a grass court, the ball bounce is very low. The ball can at times skid off the court. Winners are easier to hit, making points much shorter than on other courts.

Grass courts are the best friend of the classic serve and volley. Serve and volley players employ an attacking style in which they follow their serve to net to quickly put away volleys, stealing time away from the opponent. This style thrives on the grass because a well struck serve will stay low on the grass, forcing opponents to hit returns from a defensive position more often.

Another reason why this style does so well on grass is necessity. If you watch a tournament played on grass progress, you'll notice that the places where players run more often gets chewed up. Grass courts can give players bad bounces, so taking the net limits the chances of losing points as a result of a bad bounce.

In recent years, those who normally excel on the grass have complained that officials are making the grass slower. Tim Henman, a recently retired player from Britain, felt that the grass was getting "increasingly slow, heavy and high bouncing." Still, grass remains the fastest surface tennis has to offer.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/798759/whats_the_big_deal_about_grass_tennis.html

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justsumma
02-27-2009, 02:50 PM
"I can say that because I won a grand slam on hard (courts)" - Yes, with some freaking bit of luck and he speaks as though he's mastered hard court tennis. Piggy playing the humble act again...

MalwareDie
02-27-2009, 04:23 PM
Still, grass remains the fastest surface tennis has to offer.

McEnroe would beg to differ as he was shocked by how a shot hit during Wimbledon should have been a winner but was slowed down by the grass.

Henry Kaspar
02-27-2009, 04:25 PM
Player's have complained about too many tournaments as long as I've been following tennis. Nadal is stating the obvious, but it's good that he does.

born_on_clay
02-27-2009, 04:30 PM
Player's have complained about too many tournaments as long as I've been following tennis. Nadal is stating the obvious, but it's good that he does.

I agree with you. And btw. tennis on clay and grass is more entertaining than on hard courts

Bazooka
02-27-2009, 05:00 PM
I haven't read through the thread, but this opening poster is completely biased against Nadal and changed the manner of what Nadal was saying by selecting a very brief portion of the interview.

By what you posted, it seems as though Nadal is saying that lesser hard courts is justified because he won the grand slam. That would be arrogant, but that is not what was meant if you read the interview in context alfonso :rolleyes:

What you conveniently left out in your OP was the part before what you pasted. Nadal was describing how hard courts have a huge toll on your body, and because he won the grand slam, ie PLAYED THROUGHOUT AN ENTIRE 5-SET TOURNAMENT MEANING HE PLAYED MORE MATCHES FOR A LONGER TIME ON HARD COURT THAN ANYONE ELSE, HE ENDURED THE PHYSICAL TOLL OF IT THE MOST.

So, "he can say that", ie he can say that it has such a bigger physical toll on the body compared to grass and clay because he has now experienced all three grand slam surfaces to their full extent, NOW THAT HE HAS PLAYED 7 MATCHES STRAIGHT IN GRAND SLAMS ON ALL 3 SURFACES, SO HE NOW HAS THE EXPERIENCE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO PLAY THROUGH A GRAND SLAM ON ALL 3 SURFACES (keep in mind he hasn't made the us open final, the AO was his first grand slam final on hard court).

Gee, my first day here and already I'm seeing ridiculous bias and manipulation.


No, he doesn't mean that.

He means "I won, so this is not a sour loser comment, just my 2c about it"

If you complains after rules after losing, it will look like you're trying to change them so they are favorable for you.

It's absurd to force every player to be at 4x 500 events, Nadal makes the SF or better of all tournaments, he should be free to skip all 500 events if he wishes to.

FedFan
02-27-2009, 05:13 PM
"I can say that because I won a grand slam on hard (courts)" - Yes, with some freaking bit of luck and he speaks as though he's mastered hard court tennis. Piggy playing the humble act again...

The truth is, that he is defending his own interests, he doesn't complain about the Carpet, which has vanished, he doesn't care about the lower ranked players, who are glad to play as much as possible. He has never complained about the courts getting slower and slower, because he takes profit from it.

As a consequence of the slower surfaces you are longer on a court, winning or losing. Faster courts would help to avoid it, but he hasn't mentioned this possibility. ;)

His reasons are merely egoistical, it is apparent.

MalwareDie
02-27-2009, 06:02 PM
The truth is, that he is defending his own interests, he doesn't complain about the Carpet, which has vanished, he doesn't care about the lower ranked players, who are glad to play as much as possible. He has never complained about the courts getting slower and slower, because he takes profit from it.


Totally true.

Etern
02-27-2009, 06:04 PM
I feel like som others here; what we need is more tournaments on grass (+carpet). The different surfaces is one of the great things about tennis and now it's down to 1,5 (hardcourt and clay) :sobbing:

Henry Kaspar
02-27-2009, 07:47 PM
Here is my view:

First best: do away with the mandatory participation in the Masters series, and things will fall into place by themselves.

Second best: if mandatory participation stays, reduce the Masters series to at most 6 tournaments per year. The "Masters" label could rotate between tournaments (thus, one year Hamburg is Masters and Toronto isn't, the next year it's the other way round).

Lleyton_
02-27-2009, 08:02 PM
Pathetic :worship:

fast_clay
02-28-2009, 02:19 AM
the atp owns you...

bobbynorwich
02-28-2009, 03:57 PM
Player's have complained about too many tournaments as long as I've been following tennis. Nadal is stating the obvious, but it's good that he does.

Ditto.

jcreback
02-28-2009, 04:00 PM
There is no such thing as a mandatory tournament, just tournaments you have to play if you want to be number one. If he doesn't like the tournies, don't play them. If he wants to be number one, shut your mouth and go prove you are the best across the entire season, regardless of surface.

~*BGT*~
02-28-2009, 05:51 PM
The truth is, that he is defending his own interests, he doesn't complain about the Carpet, which has vanished, he doesn't care about the lower ranked players, who are glad to play as much as possible. He has never complained about the courts getting slower and slower, because he takes profit from it.

As a consequence of the slower surfaces you are longer on a court, winning or losing. Faster courts would help to avoid it, but he hasn't mentioned this possibility. ;)

His reasons are merely egoistical, it is apparent.

As if Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick... wouldn't say the same exact thing if it were helping them in the long run. :rolleyes:

jcreback
02-28-2009, 05:55 PM
As if Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick... wouldn't say the same exact thing if it were helping them in the long run. :rolleyes:

They might, but don't pretend that isn't why he is doing it. Don't give me that "It's good for the player crap" he is spewing. He is being self-serving, he should just own up to it.

Jimnik
02-28-2009, 05:57 PM
Less hard courts and more grass. :yeah:

superslam77
02-28-2009, 10:34 PM
what a greedy :shout:!

like he hasn't ruined tennis enough, he only thinks about himself.

go get roasted :mad:

~*BGT*~
02-28-2009, 11:01 PM
They might, but don't pretend that isn't why he is doing it. Don't give me that "It's good for the player crap" he is spewing. He is being self-serving, he should just own up to it.

Why should he? You're already reading his mind. :p

the graduate
03-01-2009, 02:16 AM
no rafa should sit his fat clay ass down!!

FedFan
03-01-2009, 12:56 PM
As if Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Roddick... wouldn't say the same exact thing if it were helping them in the long run. :rolleyes:


Until now Federer has not done it!

Moreover it is hypocritical to pretend to speak in the interest of your colleagues, if indeed you are speaking for yourself, like Mister Humbalito. ;)

I remember exactly the first time Nadal qualified for the Masters Cup, he and his uncle knew nothing better to do, than complain about the fast surface, before eventually withdrawing from the event.

paseo
03-01-2009, 01:42 PM
First best: do away with the mandatory participation in the Masters series, and things will fall into place by themselves.


agree. less mandatory tournaments will give the players more freedom to arrange their schedules. so every player can choose to have a long/short season on their own.

MalwareDie
03-01-2009, 06:46 PM
I remember exactly the first time Nadal qualified for the Masters Cup, he and his uncle knew nothing better to do, than complain about the fast surface, before eventually withdrawing from the event.

And then, the following year the TMC was no longer on carpet and it was the final year carpet was on the tour.

Clara Bow
03-01-2009, 06:57 PM
I remember exactly the first time Nadal qualified for the Masters Cup, he and his uncle knew nothing better to do, than complain about the fast surface, before eventually withdrawing from the event.

I am unsure of what you mean here.

Do you think that they talked to much about the surface before pulling out for a legitimate reason? I could see that.

Or- are you saying that they just complained about the surface and then pulled out of the tournament in a hissy fit because of the surface? If that is your implication I do not agree. If you think he then faked his foot injury and x-rays of the foot injury that pulled him out of the 2005 TMC- and kept up faking that foot injury since it was the same one that kept him out of the 2006 AO- I can't agree with you. He could have kept his mouth shut about the surface I agree- but he pulled out because of a foot injury-not in protest of the surface because "he had nothing better to do." At least to my knowledge. And in 2006- the old Rebound Ace surface of the AO actually did serve his game pretty well- and he was not there because of the same injury that kept him out of the 2005 TMC. Or do you think the injury was faked and he just kept out of the AO to keep up the ruse of of the 2005 TMC?

I do think there are too many hard courts- I would like to see more grass and carpet. There seems to be a lot of hard courts. I think clay is fine for all of the griping by those who hate the surface- there really aren't that many before the FO (you have the SA swing but plenty of hard court tournies too- then MC through the FO). I don't really have much use for the clay tournies after the FO, true- but hard court is by far the more and more dominant surface on tour. Grass and carpet tournaments aren't being supplanted by more clay- they are being supplanted by more hard. So for the larger tournaments- hard from Jan - end of March. Clay from April through start of June. Tiny grass season for a month- and then hard courts again. At the tail end of the year- a smidge of carpet but more of that is hard courts. Meh...

JolánGagó
03-01-2009, 07:24 PM
Natural surfaces are grossly underrated and infrarepresented. That must stop.

Johnny Groove
03-01-2009, 07:44 PM
All indoor events should be on carpet

~*BGT*~
03-02-2009, 04:43 AM
Until now Federer has not done it!

Moreover it is hypocritical to pretend to speak in the interest of your colleagues, if indeed you are speaking for yourself, like Mister Humbalito. ;)

I remember exactly the first time Nadal qualified for the Masters Cup, he and his uncle knew nothing better to do, than complain about the fast surface, before eventually withdrawing from the event.

I guess his withdrawal from the 2006 AO was for no other reason but to make a point?

Action Jackson
03-02-2009, 04:53 AM
a smidge of carpet but more of that is hard courts. Meh...

No more carpet tournies, just in Davis Cup.

FedFan
03-02-2009, 09:24 AM
I am unsure of what you mean here.

Do you think that they talked to much about the surface before pulling out for a legitimate reason? I could see that.

Or- are you saying that they just complained about the surface and then pulled out of the tournament in a hissy fit because of the surface? If that is your implication I do not agree. If you think he then faked his foot injury and x-rays of the foot injury that pulled him out of the 2005 TMC- and kept up faking that foot injury since it was the same one that kept him out of the 2006 AO- I can't agree with you. He could have kept his mouth shut about the surface I agree- but he pulled out because of a foot injury-not in protest of the surface because "he had nothing better to do." At least to my knowledge. And in 2006- the old Rebound Ace surface of the AO actually did serve his game pretty well- and he was not there because of the same injury that kept him out of the 2005 TMC. Or do you think the injury was faked and he just kept out of the AO to keep up the ruse of of the 2005 TMC?

I do think there are too many hard courts- I would like to see more grass and carpet. There seems to be a lot of hard courts. I think clay is fine for all of the griping by those who hate the surface- there really aren't that many before the FO (you have the SA swing but plenty of hard court tournies too- then MC through the FO). I don't really have much use for the clay tournies after the FO, true- but hard court is by far the more and more dominant surface on tour. Grass and carpet tournaments aren't being supplanted by more clay- they are being supplanted by more hard. So for the larger tournaments- hard from Jan - end of March. Clay from April through start of June. Tiny grass season for a month- and then hard courts again. At the tail end of the year- a smidge of carpet but more of that is hard courts. Meh...


I think only Nadal and his uncle know, if his injury was faked or not, I am simply unsure about it. ;)

But I wondered at that time, why a player, who qualifies for the first time for such an important tournament like the Masters Cup is complaining about the surface instead of being glad to take part.

Like you I would also like to see more grass and especially carpet, but the latter has vanished unfortunately. Todays game clearly lacks in diversity, nobody is charging the net anymore.