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Should Federer skip the entire clay season??

Xristos
02-02-2009, 02:47 AM
Lets be realistic here. With Nadal around Fed is not wining shit on clay..
I know he has final points to defend in Monaco and Hamburg but still he simply cannot beat Rafa on clay.

Who thinks he should just rest up and get ready for the grass of Wimbledon?

Just an idea. Your thoughts?

Laba
02-02-2009, 02:48 AM
He wouldn't do that.

RagingLamb
02-02-2009, 02:52 AM
giving up guarantees losing

Warrior
02-02-2009, 02:56 AM
Yes

swebright
02-02-2009, 03:05 AM
He will keep on playing (unless he came to an abrupt decision like Henin). I don't think he will quit playing.

But I think he needs to listen to somebody to re-evaluate his game and his mindset against Nadal. May be it's true that no coach can help him to overcome Nadal's game plan. He needs a shrink/go to Agassi institute of rehab seriously.

Oh..no, Steelers came back and gonna win. Poor Cardinals.

Ozone
02-02-2009, 03:07 AM
Federer is a great clay court player. 3 or 4 French Open finals is great and he has had great success in those masters series tourneys over there too. The only problem is Nadal is the best clay court player of all time hands down no doubt.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 03:40 AM
I donīt get it. Federer loves playing tennis, is not everything about Rafa, and itīs not tired at all. His clay season is very short, he is in the French Open, Madrid and Roma if Iīm not wrong. The only way he can recover himself from this is playing, having a couch, being positive and trying to fix his errors and lack-of-confindence-against-Nadal-issue. If he has to quit to the clay season with last years results, what about the other players who donīt even pass the R1?

star
02-02-2009, 03:49 AM
Lets be realistic here. With Nadal around Fed is not wining shit on clay..
I know he has final points to defend in Monaco and Hamburg but still he simply cannot beat Rafa on clay.

Who thinks he should just rest up and get ready for the grass of Wimbledon?

Just an idea. Your thoughts?

Definitely. He should absolutely skip it.

Then after Wimbledon, he should skip the North American hardcourt season too.

:)

JimmyV
02-02-2009, 04:54 AM
He should just skip Wimbledon as well while he's at it. Let himself drop out of the top ten and then make a living on the challenger circuit instead.

Chris Seahorse
02-02-2009, 04:57 AM
Yes, Federer's chances of beating Nadal on clay are about 0.3% but Roger remains the 2nd best claycourter in the world. That is very clear from Federer's results on clay over the last three years. Providing he plays up to the standard of last year he should make several finals.

As for having to suffer the emotional pain of continually losing to Nadal, well he is either going to have to grow up and get used to that or get off the tour entirely. I think the former would be a far more mature approach actually.

Federer needs to learn to accept himself even when he loses, it won't be easy for him but it is something all professional atheletes have to do.

Ivanatis
02-02-2009, 04:58 AM
:lol:
hell no

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 05:10 AM
you know, one of the years Nadal wont be in perfect shape for a RG, law of averages ..

trixtah
02-02-2009, 05:11 AM
and how do you propose he get points?

Kolya
02-02-2009, 05:39 AM
He won't do it.

leng jai
02-02-2009, 05:43 AM
Another rivetting point of view from Xristos.

iriraz
02-02-2009, 06:02 AM
Why should he?Pretty much every player would love to be in Federer`s shoes when it comes to clay season,getting to finals only to run short against Nadal.It`s not like he looses constantly in R1 or R2 like Sampras did in the past.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 06:04 AM
Why should he?Pretty much every player would love to be in Federer`s shoes when it comes to clay season,getting to finals only to run short against Nadal.It`s not like he looses constantly in R1 or R2 like Sampras did in the past.

When you lose repeatedly to the same player, it does awful things to you mentally. It's likely that Federer will be scarred for life.

jcempire
02-02-2009, 06:10 AM
of course not.

He is second best in Clay, why you want him skip the entire Clay season. are you kidding

Deivid23
02-02-2009, 06:22 AM
OMFG :haha:

kobulingam
02-02-2009, 06:54 AM
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BackhandMissile
02-02-2009, 07:07 AM
Of course not. If Nadal happened to lose before the finals, Federer would feel pretty stupid for not playing. Also, skipping the clay season would only tarnish his reputation. What kind of a champion doesn't show up to one of the biggest tournaments of the year?

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 07:14 AM
Yes, Federer's chances of beating Nadal on clay are about 0.3% but Roger remains the 2nd best claycourter in the world. That is very clear from Federer's results on clay over the last three years. Providing he plays up to the standard of last year he should make several finals.

As for having to suffer the emotional pain of continually losing to Nadal, well he is either going to have to grow up and get used to that or get off the tour entirely. I think the former would be a far more mature approach actually.

Federer needs to learn to accept himself even when he loses, it won't be easy for him but it is something all professional atheletes have to do.

Once again, it wasn't Hamburg masters or Basel he lost. It was SLAM FINAL for #14. Why can't you haters understand that? It is in no ways a normal loss. You will not see him every crying after losing Monte Carlo/Rome/etc...

BackhandMissile
02-02-2009, 07:33 AM
Once again, it wasn't Hamburg masters or Basel he lost. It was SLAM FINAL for #14. Why can't you haters understand that? It is in no ways a normal loss. You will not see him every crying after losing Monte Carlo/Rome/etc...

You might want to take Basel out of there, because he did cry when Henman beat him in Basel.

kyleskywalker007
02-02-2009, 07:34 AM
Please, you make it sound as if the guy sucked on clay. He would be a 3 time FO champ I guess. Of course Nadal is there. But, what if he suffers a fluke loss? It can happen to him.
Though, I am also worried about that, because if he saw that Nadal was defeated, he would think that this is his only chance of getting the precious FO and prssure will catch up with him.
These are two hard scenarios for him.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 07:35 AM
You might want to take Basel out of there, because he did cry when Henman beat him in Basel.

That was 7+ years ago. He hasn't cried in a MS/tune-up loss since.

BackhandMissile
02-02-2009, 07:40 AM
Though, I am also worried about that, because if he saw that Nadal was defeated, he would think that this is his only chance of getting the precious FO and prssure will catch up with him.

Yes but that means he will be facing a guy who has possibly never played a RG final (whereas Federer has played three in a row).

kyleskywalker007
02-02-2009, 07:58 AM
Yes but that means he will be facing a guy who has possibly never played a RG final (whereas Federer has played three in a row).

That is true if it Rafa lost in the semifinals. However, picture this: imagine Rafa loses around round 3 or 4 (I know it is almost impossible, but it can happen), Federer would have to play 4 or 5 matches with the pressure on him winning. That would worry him. If Rafa lost in the semis, everything would be cool.

Chris Seahorse
02-02-2009, 08:17 AM
Once again, it wasn't Hamburg masters or Basel he lost. It was SLAM FINAL for #14. Why can't you haters understand that? It is in no ways a normal loss. You will not see him every crying after losing Monte Carlo/Rome/etc...

Hater? I certainly do not consider myself a Federer hater. Roger Federer has a beautiful game, has a great legacy and is one of the most successful tennis players of all time, quite deservedly. For many reasons, including his great consistancy, his commitment to the tour, his lack of retirements throughout his career etc, I have huge respect for Roger.

I do think Federer does have to learn to accept defeat better, yes. I do believe Federer's self esteem is linked to his success to a degree that isn't helpful to him emotionally or professionally, but in fairness he doesn't hurt anyone but himself by this. I don't believe he is a bad person at all, far from it. In almost every other way he carries himself with great class. Sure, no one expects him to break down in tears losing to Nadal in Rome as he did at the AO, but I must say, when Federer loses there is tendency to worry about how he will cope that which doesn't occur with any other player.

Xristos
02-02-2009, 02:32 PM
That is true if it Rafa lost in the semifinals. However, picture this: imagine Rafa loses around round 3 or 4 (I know it is almost impossible, but it can happen), Federer would have to play 4 or 5 matches with the pressure on him winning. That would worry him. If Rafa lost in the semis, everything would be cool.

Rafa aint gana lose on the red stuff.

nkhera1
02-02-2009, 02:37 PM
The amount of points he lost from clay could make him closer to 3 in the world than 1. I know his main concern right now is grandslams , but he absolutely hates being considered 2nd best in the world. Imagine if he was 3. Plus then he could potentially draw Nadal in the semis.

ivekinjo
02-02-2009, 02:40 PM
It will all end up in tears

allouso
02-02-2009, 02:48 PM
What are you on about, of course he should play.

Most players believe they can't beat Rafa on clay, should they all just give up? Feck no, Nadal's bound to slip up somewhere down the line, either an injury or a fluke defeat will happen sooner or later.

Federer will participate, and just has to keep fighting and try to find a proper gameplan to beat Rafa. Unlikely, but possible.

HattonWBA
02-02-2009, 03:41 PM
Of course not, he wont want his ranking to go any lower than 2

marifline
02-02-2009, 03:48 PM
No, he should not

Bernard Black
02-02-2009, 03:51 PM
He just reached the Australian Open final and contrary to popular view it seems, is in great form. He could do damage on clay, and is clearly the second best player in the world on the surface, so why the hell should he skip it?

Xristos
02-02-2009, 03:58 PM
What are you on about, of course he should play.

Most players believe they can't beat Rafa on clay, should they all just give up? Feck no, Nadal's bound to slip up somewhere down the line, either an injury or a fluke defeat will happen sooner or later.

Federer will participate, and just has to keep fighting and try to find a proper gameplan to beat Rafa. Unlikely, but possible.

Nadal has the French on LOCK for the next 6 years at least. Period. Done and dusted.

MacTheKnife
02-02-2009, 04:31 PM
He just reached the Australian Open final and contrary to popular view it seems, is in great form. He could do damage on clay, and is clearly the second best player in the world on the surface, so why the hell should he skip it?

Not only that, but he's been in the final of the FO for 3 straight years. I could be wrong, but in the history of the sport, I think only 3 guys have done that. (Nadal, Borg, Federer) I could be wrong because I only went back to the early 70s and got tired of looking. Some clown in the early 1900s might of done it but you get my point. Fed may well be the most under rated clay court player in history because he came along at the same time as Nadal.

Hagar
02-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Nadal has the French on LOCK for the next 6 years at least. Period. Done and dusted.

Well I guess they will play the tournament to define who is the runner-up, and give the trophy to Rafa right away?
Rafa has a better chance than anyone in Paris but it's always possible that someone manages to beat him.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Del Potro should play the same tournaments Roger plays or avoid them? Andy Roddick has to skip the entire hard, clay and grass season because he could lose against Roger again? Verdasco has to skip the entire clay season because he is 0 7 against Nadal? And what about the other players? There are worse clay courters in the top 100 and not to many will skip the season. I don´t know if I can explain my point, english is not my language.