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Andi-M
02-01-2009, 06:07 PM
Obviously he was gutted.

But seriously could he not have held his tears in until after the ceremony??
Making Nadal feel bad for winning was uncalled for imo.

Roddickominator
02-01-2009, 06:09 PM
Nadal understood that Federer was only crying because he knew he'd have to go home to fat Mirka and get flattened tonight. I'm sure he took no offense.

FluffyYellowBall
02-01-2009, 06:12 PM
Wow i cant believe how anyone would think that :rolleyes:
I actually cant believe how he held up all the times he lost to Rafa. Especially last year at Wimbledon.
Hw would never do that.

Eden
02-01-2009, 06:16 PM
Why can fans never just be satisfied with a victory for their favourite player and instead have to bitch about this and that the whole time? :shrug:
That Rafa won the title is all that counts. To forbid Roger his tears is beyond words. Tears are emotions and natural.

biological
02-01-2009, 06:27 PM
wtf? he was devastated, he'd just lost a match he could have won, to the guy he can't seem to beat lately, in front of his childhood hero, and he was physically and emotionally drained. he didn't cry after Wimbledon, let him cry now. I think it's quite clear that he wasn't trying to steal Rafa's thunder :rolleyes:

have some fucking empathy, all of you who criticise him for displaying natural human emotion.

fangirl
02-01-2009, 06:36 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/154twgi.jpg

A_Skywalker
02-01-2009, 06:40 PM
Roger never really felt bad for so many players that he beated repeatedly over the years. He always enjoyed the moment with smile. I dont know if you noticed but Rafa tried to calm him down and thats class. Federer was arrogant most of the times and didnt have any mercy.
Even after the match if you read his comments he is still arrogant.
Doesnt take a lot to see what a person he is. I never felt sorry for him.
And I am not writing this cause I hate him, this is the truth and I believe everyone who isnt fan Federer can see it.

Andi-M
02-01-2009, 06:42 PM
wtf? he was devastated, he'd just lost a match he could have won, to the guy he can't seem to beat lately, in front of his childhood hero, and he was physically and emotionally drained. he didn't cry after Wimbledon, let him cry now. I think it's quite clear that he wasn't trying to steal Rafa's thunder :rolleyes:

have some fucking empathy, all of you who criticise him for displaying natural human emotion.

I agree with you actually. I respect Roger for showing emotion.

My point is how uncomfortable the winners ceremony was it should of been a joyous ocassion , but everyone seemed really subdued because Roger was crying. I think he could of composed himself better.

holagirl56
02-01-2009, 06:46 PM
Roger never really felt bad for so many players that he beated repeatedly over the years. He always enjoyed the moment with smile. I dont know if you noticed but Rafa tried to calm him down and thats class. Federer was arrogant most of the times and didnt have any mercy.
Even after the match if you read his comments he is still arrogant.
Doesnt take a lot to see what a person he is. I never felt sorry for him.
And I am not writing this cause I hate him, this is the truth and I believe everyone who isnt fan Federer can see it.

It's funny how you say that anyone who isn't a Federer fan can see it, and yet, people who actually have had contact with Roger for more than 3 hours at a time behind a tv screen have nothing but wonderful things to say about him. They don't have to say complimentary things about him (a la Sharapova), but they do anyway. I guess that says what a person he is. Oh wait, I guess you with your superior insider knowledge know that he is an evil, conniving person who tries to steal others' moments of glory.

My point is how uncomfortable the winners ceremony was it should of been a joyous ocassion , but everyone seemed really subdued because Roger was crying. I think he could of composed himself better.

I think he obviously tried to hide his tears (what person in their right mind wants 20,000+ people in a stadium and millions others watching to see him cry?), but he was just too physically and emotionally exhausted to try and hold them back. When you're that drained mentally, you can try all you want, but the tears will come.

jenanun
02-01-2009, 06:47 PM
hm... roger was just thinking about himself all the time. he should have just congratulated rafa and then cried like hell in the locker room like what he did in wimbledon.
instead he behaved like a spoilt kid.. so selfish....

nevermind, this is who roger is. he couldn't handle loss in a hc slam to rafa

rafa looked embarrassed and felt sorry for winning...

i feel sorry for rafa

lilimi80
02-01-2009, 06:47 PM
his tears weren't fake:awww:...and that is scary. it seems roger's life is only about tennis...

Steelq
02-01-2009, 06:52 PM
Rafa's memo to Fed

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Dougie
02-01-2009, 06:54 PM
his tears weren't fake:awww:...and that is scary. it seems roger's life is only about tennis...

Iīm sure his life is not all about tennis. Heīs obviously just very dedicated to it, and he had a chance to equal Peteīs record. Of course it was an emotional moment, and thereīs nothing wrong with that. He was genuinely moved, I really donīt think he was trying to steal Rafaīs moment.

tealeaves
02-01-2009, 07:08 PM
He's just devastated, he needed to cry to let go all the bad feelings in his mind...I feel sad for him :(

Svetlana.
02-01-2009, 07:25 PM
http://i41.tinypic.com/154twgi.jpg

it's exactly how I see it. Roger spoiled a first Rafa's AO win and made it all about him...

learn to loose like a man :rolleyes:

adee-gee
02-01-2009, 07:25 PM
They're fine by me, hopefully we'll see it many more times in the future as well :D

Snoo Foo
02-01-2009, 07:26 PM
it's fucking awesome that he cried, that's how bad he wanted it, that's how much it meant to him. If he was a pussy he would have found a way to justify the loss to himself, to tell himself just getting to the final was a great accomplishment, blah blah blah. Nothing wrong with crying, and he didn't steal Rafa's thunder for christ's sake, Rafa will go down in history as the 2009 Australian Open Champion, the first spaniard to ever win it, blah blah blah, and a USO away from a career slam, he can spare a little limelight for five minutes.

Stefwhit
02-01-2009, 07:41 PM
All my respect for Roger went flying out the window today. Him breaking down in tears after the match was akin to a ten year old boy crying after being beat in a game of monopoly. His tears stemmed from being bested by Rafa yet again. He can't handled being number two and he most definitely can't handle losing, especially to Rafa. Yeah, he can surely dish it, but he's not man enough to take it.

We all know Federer has a history of temper tantrums that's been well documented. It was a real big problem in the juniors and It even spilled over into the early stages of his professional career. Federer has went on record talking about how hard it was for him to get past it. What happened after the final was Roger regressing into his familiar role as a bad loser. Seeing Roger balling like that revealed a lot about his character and I'm not impressed.

Chloe le Bopper
02-01-2009, 07:46 PM
I don't think he could help it. I find it hard to imagine that if he could help it, he would have chosen to break down and cause a scene. He's never given me serious tool vibes before. So, I find it hard to fault a guy for bawling when he clearly couldn't help himself. I don't find it hard to giggle at the uncomfortableness of it all, though.

FilipeMB
02-01-2009, 07:48 PM
fed is not human

Quadruple Tree
02-01-2009, 07:48 PM
All my respect for Roger went flying out the window today. Him breaking down in tears after the match was akin to a ten year old boy crying after being beat in a game of monopoly. His tears stemmed from being bested by Rafa yet again. He can't handled being number two and he most definitely can't handle losing, especially to Rafa. Yeah, he can surely dish it, but he's not man enough to take it.

We all know Federer has a history of temper tantrums that's been well documented. It was a real big problem in the juniors and It even spilled over into the early stages of his professional career. Federer has went on record talking about how hard it was for him to get past it. What happened after the final was Roger regressing into his familiar role as a bad loser. Seeing Roger balling like that revealed a lot about his character and I'm not impressed.

LOL. You think being a match away from an historical achievement and fulfilling a dream that he has had since he first started playing tennis is comparable to a game of monopoly? :retard:

biological
02-01-2009, 07:49 PM
All my respect for Roger went flying out the window today. Him breaking down in tears after the match was akin to a ten year old boy crying after being beat in a game of monopoly. His tears stemmed from being bested by Rafa yet again. He can't handled being number two and he most definitely can't handle losing, especially to Rafa. Yeah, he can surely dish it, but he's not man enough to take it.

We all know Federer has a history of temper tantrums that's been well documented. It was a real big problem in the juniors and It even spilled over into the early stages of his professional career. Federer has went on record talking about how hard it was for him to get past it. What happened after the final was Roger regressing into his familiar role as a bad loser. Seeing Roger balling like that revealed a lot about his character and I'm not impressed.

a temper tantrum?! he was distraught. he had just battled for over 4 hours against his biggest rival in front of his idol, and had lost. he knew that all the criticism he had managed to deflect after the USO would come flooding back, and he would have to face endless comments about the end of his career and the start of a decline.
and he's not allowed to cry?

I don't understand your view at all.

Bobby
02-01-2009, 07:49 PM
All my respect for Roger went flying out the window today. Him breaking down in tears after the match was akin to a ten year old boy crying after being beat in a game of monopoly. His tears stemmed from being bested by Rafa yet again. He can't handled being number two and he most definitely can't handle losing, especially to Rafa. Yeah, he can surely dish it, but he's not man enough to take it.

We all know Federer has a history of temper tantrums that's been well documented. It was a real big problem in the juniors and It even spilled over into the early stages of his professional career. Federer has went on record talking about how hard it was for him to get past it. What happened after the final was Roger regressing into his familiar role as a bad loser. Seeing Roger balling like that revealed a lot about his character and I'm not impressed.

I don't agree. When you work hard for something and give it all you got, it hurts like hell if you fail. I haven't been to a GS final, but I can imagine how he felt.

bizzle
02-01-2009, 07:51 PM
he needs to grow a pair

SwiSha
02-01-2009, 08:00 PM
cut the crap that he is human and bla bla bla

the tears were pathetic , he has got 13 GS and will eventually get to 14 and more, it was just a tennis match and not his retirement

Cafisho
02-01-2009, 08:00 PM
wtf? he was devastated, he'd just lost a match he could have won, to the guy he can't seem to beat lately, in front of his childhood hero, and he was physically and emotionally drained. he didn't cry after Wimbledon, let him cry now. I think it's quite clear that he wasn't trying to steal Rafa's thunder :rolleyes:

have some fucking empathy, all of you who criticise him for displaying natural human emotion.

I totally agree with you.

partygirl
02-01-2009, 08:00 PM
Fuck off:wavey:

Svetlana.
02-01-2009, 08:01 PM
Rafa should pay him back when he beats Federer next time, and celebrate like crazy his win and his achievements.

Fed is not #1 anymore and he should learn to deal with it!!!

xargon
02-01-2009, 08:09 PM
He is a pussy and a mean one too.

Roger had all the advantages,
A cupcake draw,
His pigeon getting the open roof
An extra day rest while being number 2.

I am glad Rafa is the Fed blocker. I loved it!

For all those who think this wuss cried because the loss was just so monumental, remember this is not the first time. He is a girly man. Here is the wuss with Henman.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

reggie1
02-01-2009, 08:12 PM
I honestly don't think Roger could help it, all of his emotions just came flooding out. He reminded me of a hormonal youngster who just can't control it. I did feel terribly sorry for him and for Nadal. I thought Raffa looked guilty and really sad tbh. His eyes said it all as we all know how much he admires and respect Fed. I don't think this was premeditated on Roger's part to deflect attention away from Raffa. I actually think Fed is a really emotional person even when things are going well for him. I found it uncomfortable to watch as I thought Fed will never live it down.

Stefwhit
02-01-2009, 08:13 PM
a temper tantrum?! he was distraught. he had just battled for over 4 hours against his biggest rival in front of his idol, and had lost. he knew that all the criticism he had managed to deflect after the USO would come flooding back, and he would have to face endless comments about the end of his career and the start of a decline.
and he's not allowed to cry?

I don't understand your view at all.

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest he had a temper tantrum, because obviously that was far from the case. I only mentioned that to show a glimpse into the character of Roger. A person who can't deal with their anger is also a person who can't deal with their emotions. That's the only thing I was getting at by bringing that up.

You kinda get at my point as to why I don't respect those kinds of tears. Like you said he knows the criticism is on it's way and all the chatter is about to ensue- so what does he do to combat it all? Breaks down and cries :confused: Fed simply can't deal and it's quite sad, IMO.

He's allowed his tears and if he couldn't help, then he couldn't help it- but you have to realize that their are other people out their who interpret his tears the way that I do- and just because you and I don't agree, it doesn't mean I'm wrong for feeling the way I do about his tears.

I don't agree. When you work hard for something and give it all you got, it hurts like hell if you fail. I haven't been to a GS final, but I can imagine how he felt.
I'm not disagreeing that it hurts like hell and that the temptation to cry is real. I know it is, but in my view, crying like that is a sign of him not being a good sport. Again, he can dish it but he can't take it.

LOL. You think being a match away from an historical achievement and fulfilling a dream that he has had since he first started playing tennis is comparable to a game of monopoly? It's all relative actually. To that 10 year old boy winning that game of monopoly probably is just a big deal as Fed making history. And if you're comparing life events, when it's all said and done it's only a tennis match- was it really worthy of those crocodile tears?

fast_clay
02-01-2009, 08:18 PM
heh heh... a living hall of legends were watching... like.. laver... a living breathing tennis god... standing right by... i wonder how they may have reacted whilst on the edge of 14...? who could know... their era was forever f***ed by the professional split....

the saltwater only adds to nadal's acheivement via the mental breakage that began to show just beyond the wimbledon ceremony, but was fully sealed on the other side of the planet around about half a year later...

there is nothing wrong with watching a man break in two...

KarlyM
02-01-2009, 08:19 PM
Justified??? :confused: I am a fan of both and to me, he was obviously distraught since he lost another GS final to Nadal (plus it was close like the last one at Wimbledon). This match was supposedly "in the bag" for Fed because of Nadal's long SF match and Fed had more time to rest, and Fed looked better in his QF and SF matches. I think pressure had been building up on Fed after the USO - failing to win at Madrid, Paris and TMC; losing to Murray 3 times, plus going 0-4 against Nadal previously in 2008. Then being written off by nearly everyone and feeling like he had to prove himself by winning at AO. All of this culminated into a lot of mental fatigue in the final and he buckled when Nadal kept fighting harder and harder during the match. He was frustrated, upset, and disappointed (and probably embarrassed, too) that he lost.

Fed did a pretty good job keeping it in after the Wimbledon final, but this loss was probably just too much for him. I don't believe he did this on purpose to ruin Rafa's moment and have people feel sorry for him. You could see when he tried to start his speech that he was trying to hold it in but couldn't. He also seemed to insist that he speak before Rafa (after Rafa received his trophy and gave him a hug) because the runner-up should speak first - and he kept his speech short to get out of the way.

Jade Fox
02-01-2009, 08:22 PM
It used to be that people critisized Roger for NOT showing his emotions on court or at trophy presentations. He was often called a robot for it.

And now he shows genuine emotion at a Slam trophy presentation, the first time he's done so in three years and he's getting hate for that as well.

I guess he just can never win with some people.:rolleyes:

martinatreue
02-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Wow there really are some very JUDGMENTAL, HEARTLESS people in this thread. Rafa had compassion for Roger and yet so many of his fans cannot. How shameful. How someone's heart could not go out to Roger is beyond belief to me. The tears were real and his heart is beautiful. He is a sensitive man who wears his joy and sadness on his sleeve and that is threatening to some people in here. I think you are just very uncomfortable with a man showing his vulnerabilities. Basically you are a bunch of insensitive macho types who cannot allow A MAN to show his heart. How disgusting and pathetic of you! Both Roger and Rafa are infinitely classier than you heartless Roger bashers!

martinatreue
02-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Justified??? :confused: I am a fan of both and to me, he was obviously distraught since he lost another GS final to Nadal (plus it was close like the last one at Wimbledon). This match was supposedly "in the bag" for Fed because of Nadal's long SF match and Fed had more time to rest, and Fed looked better in his QF and SF matches. I think pressure had been building up on Fed after the USO - failing to win at Madrid, Paris and TMC; losing to Murray 3 times, plus going 0-4 against Nadal previously in 2008. Then being written off by nearly everyone and feeling like he had to prove himself by winning at AO. All of this culminated into a lot of mental fatigue in the final and he buckled when Nadal kept fighting harder and harder during the match. He was frustrated, upset, and disappointed (and probably embarrassed, too) that he lost.

Fed did a pretty good job keeping it in after the Wimbledon final, but this loss was probably just too much for him. I don't believe he did this on purpose to ruin Rafa's moment and have people feel sorry for him. You could see when he tried to start his speech that he was trying to hold it in but couldn't. He also seemed to insist that he speak before Rafa (after Rafa received his trophy and gave him a hug) because the runner-up should speak first - and he kept his speech short to get out of the way.

You make EXCELLENT and IRREFUTABLE points that the Fed haters will have trouble with. Expect your post to be ignored since the facts that you stated don't support their hatred. Anyone who thinks Roger purposefully tried to take the attention away from Rafa must think that Roger is an incredible actor deserving of an Emmy or Oscar. :rolleyes:

partygirl
02-01-2009, 08:25 PM
It used to be that people critisized Roger for NOT showing his emotions on court or at trophy presentations. He was often called a robot for it.

And now he shows genuine emotion at a Slam trophy presentation, the first time he's done so in three years and he's getting hate for that as well.

Wow there really are some very JUDGMENTAL, HEARTLESS people in this thread. Rafa had compassion for Roger and yet so many of his fans cannot. How shameful. How someone's heart could not go out to Roger is beyond belief to me. The tears were real and his heart is beautiful. He is a sensitive man who wears his joy and sadness on his sleeve and that is threatening to some people in here. I think you are just very uncomfortable with a man showing his vulnerabilities. Basically you are a bunch of insensitive macho types who cannot allow A MAN to show his heart. How disgusting and pathetic of you! Both Roger and Rafa are infinitely classier than you heartless Roger bashers!:rocker2:

Vida
02-01-2009, 08:26 PM
I didn't see at as good or bad, just extraordinarily pathetic but understandable.

Justified? Depends. But I saw where the tears came from.

fast_clay
02-01-2009, 08:30 PM
maybe he found that he is not number one today...? perhaps it was too much a revelation to handle...?

the biscuit
02-01-2009, 08:37 PM
I wouldn't have minded him just tearing up but this was too much.

Anyways, they made perezhilton again. :p I think Perez has got a crush on Rafa. :o

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-01-it-hurts-to-see-a-grown-man-cry

Sean
02-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Utterly pathetic. I am not a fan of Nadal and his style of so-called tennis, but i thought Roger was very childish crying like that. He's a 27 year old man with an a amazing 13 grand slam titles not some 19 year old junior who got to his 1st slam final gave it his all and lost. He really does need to man up.

ServeAlready81
02-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Just a spoiled 27 year old child!!! A grown ass man can't hold back tears in respect of Rafa's moment? Please, people make so many excuses for this man. He is not the saint everyone makes him out to be.

Svetlana.
02-01-2009, 08:39 PM
maybe he found that he is not number one today...? perhaps it was too much a revelation to handle...?

why should it be a Rafa's problem?

Rafa showed class, and Fed did not.

Vida
02-01-2009, 08:39 PM
Nah, I don't think its anything that blurry fc. More like a genuine acknolegment that he's past it. Look, guy's 27,5. if he cant slug it from the baseline against Rafa, he'll charge the net - that doesn't work either... in fact, nothing works and there isn't anything he can do to fix it, or the time for it. It just kinda sunk in I guess.

The fact he was aiming for something, which didn't happen and likely won't happen (14+ Slams) is a testimony to his ambition - for which we can only commend him. I mean if his real attitude was bucks or "wins" or whatever, he wouldnt cry. No, he though he will go for the "legend" status.

00923
02-01-2009, 08:40 PM
It was understandable, but slightly unfair that it a) made the trophy presentation about him and NOT the actual winner of the match and b) put the winner of the match in an incredibly awkward position. he essentially was made to feel bad for winning.

Svetlana.
02-01-2009, 08:44 PM
It was understandable, but slightly unfair that it a) made the trophy presentation about him and NOT the actual winner of the match and b) put the winner of the match in an incredibly awkward position. he essentially was made to feel bad for winning.

exactly!!!!!!

KoOlMaNsEaN
02-01-2009, 08:47 PM
I understand his crying. I'm surprised he didn't do it before. :sad:

fast_clay
02-01-2009, 08:48 PM
why should it be a Rafa's problem?

Rafa showed class, and Fed did not.

was it really rafa's problem...? does it not add to rafa's acheivement that a man cries before his feet...? won't nadal take some secret pleasure from dismantleing federer...? now owning 3 of the 4 slams... which is all that federer ever acheived at once...

Allez-Ollie
02-01-2009, 08:48 PM
I thought it was somewhat wimpish. At least if he had begun with "I'd like to congratulate Rafa...." rather than get all introspective about another devastating loss, then it would not have been such a problem for him. I love Rogi though and nice of Rafa to say those things although you can be sure he won't give away any GS finals to stop his rival crying again.

Beforehand
02-01-2009, 08:50 PM
"I'm going to make this moment all about me somehow. Hmm. How can I? Maybe I'll punch Rod Laver? No! Maybe I'll take off my clothes! No...that's criminal. WAIT! I'VE GOT IT! I'll cry! That will show them all! Man, I'm incredibly devious! It's all about me again yes!"

Um....or perhaps that's not what happened.

Stefwhit
02-01-2009, 08:54 PM
What a way to rob Nadal of his moment. Feds boo-hooing makes it awkward for Nadal to celebrate his huge accomplishment the way he should be allowed to. Considering the greatness of Fed, I can't justify it one bit. Man up for freaks sake!

LoveFifteen
02-01-2009, 08:59 PM
learn to loose like a man :rolleyes:

You've obviously never watched a World Cup match beyond the group stage. Are none of the football players real men either, even though most of them collapse on the ground in tears?

It's normal to be gutted after losing a Slam final in 5 sets.

the graduate
02-01-2009, 09:02 PM
I kinda felt sorry for the guy but hey Roger its not the end of the world,you have a loving girlfriend and an obviously loving family lots of money lotsa fans who adore you there is always another time.I think what made him cry was the fact that Rafa has beaten him once too many times and he doesnt seem to have an answer on how to beat the spaniard thats whats up.
I really like Roger and hope he wins the FO before he retires.
Its okay to cry Roger no shame in that,it shows us how human you are
Good luck ballerina!

Igaarg
02-01-2009, 09:16 PM
Who are we to say if the tears where justified or not? are you kidding me? I donīt think he wanted to show how much hurted this defeat, he couldnīt held his tears, it was heartbreaking.
I canīt vote in a poll like this, he just cried because he felt it, he was really sad and he couldnīt helped. He couldnīt leave the place and cry in the shower, you have to be very brave to do something like this. Rafa won, congratulations to him, but live Roger alone. He lost like a man, I canīt be prouder as a fan.

Bolivero
02-01-2009, 09:32 PM
it's exactly how I see it. Roger spoiled a first Rafa's AO win and made it all about him...

learn to loose like a man :rolleyes:

Ugh. Who do you think you are? Such ignorance. So crying doesn't make you a man, showing emotion?? :rolleyes:

Roger was upset, he obviously wanted this so badly and came very close once again, he had Rod Laver there and the other champions and the crowd was cheering for him, he appreciated it, and obviously the occasion just got to him. I'd like to see you not get emotional if you were in Rogers shoes!

It just makes him even more endearing. :hug: It was such a nice moment :awww: Poor Roger :sad: He's such a champion.

Sean
02-01-2009, 09:36 PM
I kinda felt sorry for the guy but hey Roger its not the end of the world,you have a loving girlfriend and an obviously loving family lots of money lotsa fans who adore you there is always another time.I think what made him cry was the fact that Rafa has beaten him once too many times and he doesnt seem to have an answer on how to beat the spaniard thats whats up.
I really like Roger and hope he wins the FO before he retires.
Its okay to cry Roger no shame in that,it shows us how human you are
Good luck ballerina!

Poor 13x GS champ multi-millionaire Federer. The fact that Nadal had to comfort him instead of him congratulating Nadal was low.

Rafa = Fed Killa
02-01-2009, 09:47 PM
He is a pussy and a mean one too.

Roger had all the advantages,
A cupcake draw,
His pigeon getting the open roof
An extra day rest while being number 2.

I am glad Rafa is the Fed blocker. I loved it!

For all those who think this wuss cried because the loss was just so monumental, remember this is not the first time. He is a girly man. Here is the wuss with Henman.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4o

Federer always has been a pansy.

star
02-01-2009, 09:57 PM
I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten ever so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that others do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he is when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.

Andi-M
02-01-2009, 10:02 PM
I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten every so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that other's do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.

Great post. I 100% agree.

LleytonMonfils
02-01-2009, 10:07 PM
its clear some of you have no souls and have never had your emotions move you to tears. it's obvious you haven't because the emotion federer showed after the match today is something you can't control. some of you people need to get a life or atleast look at your ugly mugs in the mirror. pathetic bunch on here.

Crazy Girl
02-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Federer always has been a pansy.a pansy!!!!:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::spit::spit ::spit::spit::spit:

You are:smash::drink::awww::retard::help::banghead:
:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:

Crazy Girl
02-01-2009, 10:11 PM
Who are we to say if the tears where justified or not? are you kidding me? I donīt think he wanted to show how much hurted this defeat, he couldnīt held his tears, it was heartbreaking.
I canīt vote in a poll like this, he just cried because he felt it, he was really sad and he couldnīt helped. He couldnīt leave the place and cry in the shower, you have to be very brave to do something like this. Rafa won, congratulations to him, but live Roger alone. He lost like a man, I canīt be prouder as a fan.:worship::worship::worship::worship::worship:M EE TOO!!!!!

Chris Seahorse
02-01-2009, 10:14 PM
This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.

Crazy Girl
02-01-2009, 10:14 PM
He is a pussy and a mean one too.

Roger had all the advantages,
A cupcake draw,
His pigeon getting the open roof
An extra day rest while being number 2.

I am glad Rafa is the Fed blocker. I loved it!

For all those who think this wuss cried because the loss was just so monumental, remember this is not the first time. He is a girly man. Here is the wuss with Henman.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8QDlcFHA4oA PUSSY!!!!!!!!:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:: spit::spit::spit:Also a girly man!!! Wait, wait, you're really silly!!!

the graduate
02-01-2009, 10:15 PM
once a ballerina always a ballerina

GlennMirnyi
02-01-2009, 10:20 PM
Of course they're justified. He bent over and had no lube. Must have hurt.

out_here_grindin
02-01-2009, 10:23 PM
Talk to the 19 year old kids who are in the future circuit. They must win to make money and continue their shot at a good pro career. For me that pressure is even greater and have far greater reason to cry.

partygirl
02-01-2009, 10:26 PM
learn to loose like a man :rolleyes:After reading a handful of your post today I am trying very hard to not make a personal attack on your dumb ass.:armed:

guptaji
02-01-2009, 10:29 PM
Roger never really felt bad for so many players that he beated repeatedly over the years. He always enjoyed the moment with smile. I dont know if you noticed but Rafa tried to calm him down and thats class. Federer was arrogant most of the times and didnt have any mercy.
Even after the match if you read his comments he is still arrogant.
Doesnt take a lot to see what a person he is. I never felt sorry for him.
And I am not writing this cause I hate him, this is the truth and I believe everyone who isnt fan Federer can see it.

I couldn't agree more with you. I am sure if Roger won, he'd be far from humble. By projecting this I-am-better-than-everyone-else image and by taking every opportunity to criticize other top players, he is the one putting immense amount of pressure on himself. I am a longtime Nadal fan and I have tried liking Federer (more like, I have tried not disliking him) but his arrogance always comes in the way.

morningglory
02-01-2009, 10:36 PM
nope. It's not his first AO title match, it's not the slam that will break Sampras' record, and goodness man, stop crying already (who does he think he is, Zvonareva?)! Tears of joy are one thing since the audience can celebrate with you... whiny tears like these only make him look pathetic and forced Nadal to tone his celebrations down.

star
02-01-2009, 10:37 PM
This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.

I thought this was an interesting post. I agree with you that Federer's tears were not a deliberate effort to steal Nadal's moment, but rather more about the kind of person he is. I also agree about Nadal's emotional maturity and even temperament are the foundation of his on court mental strength.

Where I part company with you is that the tears are a sign of Federer's lack of self esteem. It's always seemed to me that Federer loves basking in adulation, and also that he has a tendency to feel sorry for himself. I think that he's managed to hold it together at RG (even though the first time Nadal defeated him there, he looked very pouty) because he's told himself that Nadal was a clay freak. Then Wimbledon was a bit harder, but he could still tell himself that Nadal couldn't touch him on the hardcourts. I think the tears were a product of Federer's myth of himself being tarnished. But, maybe that's what you are talking about -- someone with true self esteem and self knowledge doesn't really have this problem. Anyway -- excellent post.

Regenbogen
02-01-2009, 10:38 PM
I think people are kind of reading too much into this. Federer just seems like a crying sort of person.

It's pretty irrelevant unless he did it on purpose, which I highly doubt. :p

Chris Seahorse
02-01-2009, 10:46 PM
I thought this was an interesting post. I agree with you that Federer's tears were not a deliberate effort to steal Nadal's moment, but rather more about the kind of person he is. I also agree about Nadal's emotional maturity and even temperament are the foundation of his on court mental strength.

Where I part company with you is that the tears are a sign of Federer's lack of self esteem. It's always seemed to me that Federer loves basking in adulation, and also that he has a tendency to feel sorry for himself. I think that he's managed to hold it together at RG (even though the first time Nadal defeated him there, he looked very pouty) because he's told himself that Nadal was a clay freak. Then Wimbledon was a bit harder, but he could still tell himself that Nadal couldn't touch him on the hardcourts. I think the tears were a product of Federer's myth of himself being tarnished. But, maybe that's what you are talking about -- someone with true self esteem and self knowledge doesn't really have this problem. Anyway -- excellent post.

Exactly. When a person's self-esteem is linked solely to what they achieve it is a very fragile self-esteem.

MrChopin
02-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins....

Take off those rose glasses Seahorse: Nadal is being honest, but it's easy to say this when you win. Was he saying this to himself in the Wimbledon ('07) showers while crying to himself.

***

Both men put their lives into tennis. How can users not respect what that investment entails, as Fed displayed today? I can't believe this thread exists... as a poll. Wow, what a group of callous people... how can one cheer for players to cry as a result of feeling that so much of their effort has been squandered? That's such a horrible desire.

WillRogersBeach
02-01-2009, 10:54 PM
Wow there really are some very JUDGMENTAL, HEARTLESS people in this thread. Rafa had compassion for Roger and yet so many of his fans cannot. How shameful. How someone's heart could not go out to Roger is beyond belief to me. The tears were real and his heart is beautiful. He is a sensitive man who wears his joy and sadness on his sleeve and that is threatening to some people in here. I think you are just very uncomfortable with a man showing his vulnerabilities. Basically you are a bunch of insensitive macho types who cannot allow A MAN to show his heart. How disgusting and pathetic of you! Both Roger and Rafa are infinitely classier than you heartless Roger bashers!

You go, girl! I'm totally with you.

WillRogersBeach
02-01-2009, 10:58 PM
I wouldn't have minded him just tearing up but this was too much.

Anyways, they made perezhilton again. :p I think Perez has got a crush on Rafa. :o

http://perezhilton.com/2009-02-01-it-hurts-to-see-a-grown-man-cry


Dude, if I were you I would not admit to anyone I read Perez Hilton's blog.

He's the scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned.

:Zaz:
02-01-2009, 11:03 PM
To answer the original question 'Were his tears justified?' I will say that any emotion apparent or hidden is justified to the owner and the observer. Emotions are afterall what make us human. (Which, I might add seems to be lacking in some posters).

Roger probably knew that he had balls it up, and was angry with himself for all the missed opportunities. Also everyone seems to be still treating him like the favourite to win, so it is a renewed shock to him when he doesn't . Anger and shock always make me cry rather than pain, and cry uncontrollably which can be embarrassing but totally unstoppable. (I'm female but still)

Rafa wouldn't have cried but Roger did, everyone is different and react in different ways, its in poor taste to judge someone for crying. In a way it's refreshing for a man to be so open with his feelings but in others it makes people feel uncomfortable.

If bitching about him makes people feel better it reflects worse on them than crying does on Rogi

Andi-M
02-01-2009, 11:04 PM
Take off those rose glasses Seahorse: Nadal is being honest, but it's easy to say this when you win. Was he saying this to himself in the Wimbledon ('07) showers while crying to himself.

***

Both men put their lives into tennis. How can users not respect what that investment entails, as Fed displayed today? I can't believe this thread exists... as a poll. Wow, what a group of callous people... how can one cheer for players to cry as a result of feeling that so much of their effort has been squandered? That's such a horrible desire.

No-one is talking about cheering for players to cry, I was simply asking whether people felt Fed's behaviour at the ceremony was OK? Considering the celebrations were seemingly subdued out of respect for Federer's feelings.

Clearly most people think it was.

AnnaK_4ever
02-01-2009, 11:06 PM
It was really low from Fed.
He's a 27 years old for God sake! If he wanted to cry so badly he could have done it in locker room.

ugotlobbed
02-01-2009, 11:08 PM
to be honest, i would be more mad than sad, idk why he cried

rocketassist
02-01-2009, 11:13 PM
I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten ever so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that others do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he is when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.

Expected this from a Fed-loather. I'm not a tard for either him or Nadal but how can he control his emotions? Come on.

Roddick wept after his US Open win. It happens. Nadal shed a few tears at Wimby when he just won the title.

Then again you think Fakervic's actions are classy.

rocketassist
02-01-2009, 11:13 PM
It was really low from Fed.
He's a 27 years old for God sake! If he wanted to cry so badly he could have done it in locker room.

WTA-loving mug.

star
02-01-2009, 11:25 PM
Roger probably knew that he had balls it up, and was angry with himself for all the missed opportunities. Also everyone seems to be still treating him like the favourite to win, so it is a renewed shock to him when he doesn't . Anger and shock always make me cry rather than pain, and cry uncontrollably which can be embarrassing but totally unstoppable. (I'm female but still)

Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock, he brought it on himself.

Rafa wouldn't have cried but Roger did, everyone is different and react in different ways, its in poor taste to judge someone for crying. In a way it's refreshing for a man to be so open with his feelings but in others it makes people feel uncomfortable.

You are quite right about this. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal stress. Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.

If bitching about him makes people feel better it reflects worse on them than crying does on Rogi

I'm not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments.

ugotlobbed
02-01-2009, 11:29 PM
of course its easier to act the bigger man when uve just WON

karadjordje
02-01-2009, 11:29 PM
Roger you are one gutless crybaby .

star
02-01-2009, 11:32 PM
Expected this from a Fed-loather. I'm not a tard for either him or Nadal but how can he control his emotions? Come on.

Roddick wept after his US Open win. It happens. Nadal shed a few tears at Wimby when he just won the title.

Then again you think Fakervic's actions are classy.

You've never been called upon to control your emotions? People control their emotions all the time Usually they do so out of respect for others. Controlling emotions is part of growing up.

You'll have a hard time finding a post where I've said anything like that. I think sometimes Djokovic behaves very well, and there are other times when he's not behaved well at all. I don't think it's necessary to defend one of my favorite players when they don't behave well. I think it's interesting that Federer fans have a need to feel that everything Federer does is somehow just another sign of his perfection.

Fortunately, I've not yet seen a situation where Rafa has been anything other than well-mannered and gracious. He's always been so very kind to Federer. He's a gentleman.

au_sports_opinion
02-01-2009, 11:34 PM
I'm not surprised at the negative reaction, I am a bit surprised to see people defending him though.

Like there's anything to defend, it was great to see.

ugotlobbed
02-01-2009, 11:34 PM
thats because rafa is a robot taught to catch a tennis ball like a caveman catches animals for food ever since he was running on the mountains of mallorca, how else could he be so mentally tough, its because he doesn't truly understand the situation or appreciate it as much as some others

ŦIvanŧ
02-01-2009, 11:34 PM
have some fucking empathy, all of you who criticise him for displaying natural human emotion.

see,i've got empathy for roger since i was staring to watch tennis.i can't any more.this is not for empathy,this is way to much.

it seems he's much 'human' than we used to.

have an empathy:

2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
'n 2009?

no way.

mickeyme
02-01-2009, 11:34 PM
i think the reason Roger was crying was more because he was touched at the amount of support the fans gave him in spite of his loss...he wasn't crying because he was a sore loser :o. he cried during the trophy ceremony in 2006 too and he won that time. anyway, i think it's fine.

GlennMirnyi
02-01-2009, 11:36 PM
Again, people. You're missing the point. This is all about bending over without the necessary precautions.

Next time Fed will take some KY and he won't cry. :)

ugotlobbed
02-01-2009, 11:36 PM
i think the reason Roger was crying was more because he was touched at the amount of support the fans gave him in spite of his loss...he wasn't crying because he was a sore loser :o. he cried during the trophy ceremony in 2006 too and he won that time. anyway, i think it's fine.

yes finally someone explained it, can we close this thread

AnnaK_4ever
02-01-2009, 11:36 PM
WTA-loving mug.

:lol:

Whatever... It's Federer who behaves like a pansy.

ŦIvanŧ
02-01-2009, 11:38 PM
Again, people. You're missing the point. This is all about bending over without the necessary precautions.

Next time Fed will take some KY and he won't cry. :)

i can bet roger cried today more than you since you were born.

connectolove
02-01-2009, 11:38 PM
Why can fans never just be satisfied with a victory for their favourite player and instead have to bitch about this and that the whole time? :shrug:
That Rafa won the title is all that counts. To forbid Roger his tears is beyond words. Tears are emotions and natural.

Ditto. I can not believe that STILL some guys criticize others for crying, very cruel! and archaic...

connectolove
02-01-2009, 11:41 PM
To answer the original question 'Were his tears justified?' I will say that any emotion apparent or hidden is justified to the owner and the observer. Emotions are afterall what make us human. (Which, I might add seems to be lacking in some posters).

Roger probably knew that he had balls it up, and was angry with himself for all the missed opportunities. Also everyone seems to be still treating him like the favourite to win, so it is a renewed shock to him when he doesn't . Anger and shock always make me cry rather than pain, and cry uncontrollably which can be embarrassing but totally unstoppable. (I'm female but still)

Rafa wouldn't have cried but Roger did, everyone is different and react in different ways, its in poor taste to judge someone for crying. In a way it's refreshing for a man to be so open with his feelings but in others it makes people feel uncomfortable.

If bitching about him makes people feel better it reflects worse on them than crying does on Rogi

Totally agreed. Rafa has cried many times after winning. I remember his first French Open win... NO BIG DEAL!!!

Chris Seahorse
02-01-2009, 11:48 PM
Totally agreed. Rafa has cried many times after winning. I remember his first French Open win... NO BIG DEAL!!!

I think you are missing the point. Few people are criticising Roger for crying. What criticism there is, is about whether the crying was occuring at an appropiate time. I don't think anyone could seriously have any problems with a player, be it Federer, Nadal or someone else, crying after a huge win. The circumstances here however were quite different and I would certainly regard a debate as being quite reasonable.

GlennMirnyi
02-01-2009, 11:49 PM
i can bet roger cried today more than you since you were born.

Definitely. Not many people close to me died yet for me to cry so much.

BalkanBoy
02-01-2009, 11:53 PM
i can bet roger cried today more than you since you were born.

hahaha :haha: that's so true but it's never too late to recatch the lost time.

Matt01
02-01-2009, 11:57 PM
I think you are missing the point. Few people are criticising Roger for crying. What criticism there is, is about whether the crying was occuring at an appropiate time.


Err...you cannot always control at what time and at what place you start to cry....

---

I'm far from being a Federer-fan (I sometimes find his interviews arrogant and his gamestyle doesn't appeal to me) but for me, seeing him cry when he just was denied a Slam record and after he lost anothe Slam final to his main rival was really no big deal...if anything it made him look human and sensitive and that is not a bad thing!

So the answer is a BIG FAT YES.

Miss Molly
02-01-2009, 11:57 PM
I'm shocked and disgusted at some of you! Seriously, do you think he wanted to ball his guts out there? He was fighting them while sitting in the chair and you just knew at some point, there was going to be an eruption. He had absolutely no control over it.

It's baffling, here we have a phenomenal tennis rivalry between two fantastic players, one is probably the greatest of all time with the other being the greatest clay courter and moving his way towards greatest player, yet so many of you have major hate on one or the other. Why can't you just appreciate the tennis? They obviously have great respect for one another and for the game, too bad the same can't be said about some people on this board.

ugotlobbed
02-01-2009, 11:57 PM
roger needs to get his long hair back, and get a trophywife

partygirl
02-01-2009, 11:58 PM
What criticism there is, is about whether the crying was occuring at an appropiate time.
ok.
Here is my issue-

Would you agree crying/sadness/upset is an emotion?

How often does emotion surface at the most appropriate times?
I mean that is laughable, its human nature.

When he stepped back his whole jaw was quivering...(i have been that upset) & it is usually a bit of a hysterical reaction and it makes it that much harder to control. When you start having involuntary movements it is hardly your choice.

So Sorry the is no conditioning or strength training to be done in this area.

shotgun
02-01-2009, 11:59 PM
Losing the Wimbledon final, the #1 ranking and now this match, you can tell the guy is just losing it by his recent behaviour, not only talking about the crying on the court today but also the constant "goes" he's having at other players. Then again it's understandable considering he dominated the tour for four years, he's just not used to coping with defeat.

:Zaz:
02-02-2009, 12:01 AM
Roger practically demanded that he be treated as the favorite. He was very testy about that favorite status. So, if that caused shock, he brought it on himself.

You're right, I forgot that, but he added Rafa and the odious Djokovic to his favourites didn't he? I cannae remember. Kinda gets to me though that no one else, tournament organizers, press etc are treating Rafa as the No.1. He still seems to be in 2nd place. Not good. Even Rogi admits that Rafa is numero uno.


are quite right about this. Rafa wouldn't have cried at the victory ceremony if he had lost, because he has excellent manners. It's not about emotions; it's about behaving well in moments of great personal stress. Sure, he felt bad and he made the ceremony all about HIS emotions, His "open feelings" His sadness. I'm sure he didn't plan it, but when others have shown themselves to be gracious losers when he was in his ascendence, it would behoove him to do the same.

Having grown up in Britain, I am used to stiff upper lip and all, don't get me wrong. I just think, it wasn't planned it was spontaneous and you cannae berate him for that.

not bitching about him crying -- I'm simply talking about what it reveals about his character. And feeling badly, that in his last three slam victories, Rafa was so worried about Federer feeling bad that he couldn't really be joyous for his own accomplishments.

I do agree that at RG the ceremony was subdued, as with Wimbledon. And that is awful, Rafa is a worthy winner, and he is so cute and humble. But I think at RG they couldn't believe what had happened, and at Wimby, centre court was kinda sad for the end of an era. Roger's dominance has been so extreme that Rafa's continuing disposal of him makes people do a double take. I don't think these instances were provoked by Federer though. At RG he made a joke, same with Wimby (something about the kitchen sink if I recall).

p.s I wasn't directing the bitchy comment at you personally

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 12:02 AM
Losing the Wimbledon final, the #1 ranking and now this match, you can tell the guy is just losing it by his recent behaviour, not only talking about the crying on the court today but also the constant "goes" he's having at other players. Then again it's understandable considering he dominated the tour for four years, he's just not used to coping with defeat.

Strange enough, because it's not like this is happening beyond his control. He basically surrendered those matches and the #1 ranking.

ugotlobbed
02-02-2009, 12:02 AM
i think overall the crying scene brought more drama to tennis, and in conclusion, this is good for tennis, in the end tennis wins, tennis 1 fedal 0

Lourdes27
02-02-2009, 12:04 AM
Only in the Locker Room, he stole Rafa's thunder, now all the press with have Rogers ugly cry plastered all over the net and newspapers.

Havok
02-02-2009, 12:06 AM
Roger :rolleyes:.

Now he knows how everyone else on the tour feels like. He's won 13 Grand Slams, it's not as if he has been a runner-up 13 times and was trying to nab his 1st Slam.:o

Yeah it's always tough to watch an athlete lose it emotionally after a loss, but for fucks sake keep it together and don't spoil Nadal's incredible achievement. I think this loss sunk in much more deep and he's realizing he is nowhere near as good as he used to be; things will not come so easy anymore and it will be a constant uphill battle.

~*BGT*~
02-02-2009, 12:07 AM
I say justified. I am dealing with a lot of self-imposed pressure and have had a few breakdowns lately because of it. This man is chasing history, was so close to getting #14, and just crumbled under the immense pressure. I just wanted to give him a :hug:

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 12:13 AM
i think the reason Roger was crying was more because he was touched at the amount of support the fans gave him in spite of his loss...he wasn't crying because he was a sore loser :o. he cried during the trophy ceremony in 2006 too and he won that time. anyway, i think it's fine.Finally, in this "Cage aux folles" MTF, a clever and fine person.:worship::worship::worship:

~EMiLiTA~
02-02-2009, 12:15 AM
It was understandable, but slightly unfair that it a) made the trophy presentation about him and NOT the actual winner of the match and b) put the winner of the match in an incredibly awkward position. he essentially was made to feel bad for winning.

My thoughts exactly. I felt sorry for Fed (and I am not a fan of his), but just think it's a shame that Rafa felt the need to start his speech saying "I'm sorry" and was made to feel bad for beating Federer, who seems to think it's his Godgiven right to win a slam. Rafa totally and utterly deserved that win, he played amazingly and had to back up a gruelling semi. Fed was just beaten outright and needs to learn to deal with that. I'm sure other people he has beaten in finals have felt the same when they have lost - for them, it was probably their one and only chance they will ever have to win a Slam. I'm sure Rafa was completely gutted after coming so close at Wimby in 2007, so now Fed is just experiencing what all of them have experienced. He has been lucky in his career to have beem largely healthy and injury free, and has the talent to have won all that he has, and for sure he will win more Slams and beat the record. There is no problem in shedding a tear or 2, but just think it's a shame the whole ceremony had to revolve around him (much like everything else in tennis does), and that Rafa couldn't celebrate how he perhaps would have liked.

Collective
02-02-2009, 12:16 AM
Time for a shampoo change for the Fed

http://nsaney.com/pics/cry_baby_shampoo.gif

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 12:16 AM
:lol:

Whatever... It's Federer who behaves like a pansy.Poor, poor, poor, poor Anna....I pity you.....:sad::sad::sad:

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 12:25 AM
I think you are missing the point. Few people are criticising Roger for crying. What criticism there is, is about whether the crying was occuring at an appropiate time. I don't think anyone could seriously have any problems with a player, be it Federer, Nadal or someone else, crying after a huge win. The circumstances here however were quite different and I would certainly regard a debate as being quite reasonable.

Crying at an appropiate time? How is that? "I feel bad but I better cry later in my hotel room".

mariposa_azul87
02-02-2009, 12:25 AM
Hi, I am new to the forum but found this topic really interesting. First of all I am a fan of both Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal; and, believe that both are the GOAT where no one at this moment could come close to their achievements. I think Roger tried to hold back his tears, but once tears start to flow its hard to stop them. I honestly feel that he believed he could have beaten Rafa because hc is not Rafa's strongest surface, so he was shocked to see how well he was playing. At the same time however, I do feel Rafa's celebration was subdued due to Roger emotions. If Rafa would have celebrated more outwardly, then people would look at him and go "he's only thinking about himself" or "he has no feeling that Roger was crying". Yeah Roger won 13 GS and people had to sit back and watch him celebrate, but to each his own. If I was playing in a GS final and lost, I would probably be kicking myself in the butt, becaue who knows when you can make it back to the final, even if you are a Federer or Nadal. Criticism could go both ways. Yet you should not be ashamed of feeling angry or crying, and not ashamed of celebrating openly. It all has to do with what is proper at that moment. But hey, people eat up sob stories like hotcakes :-).

ugotlobbed
02-02-2009, 12:29 AM
Time for a shampoo change for the Fed

http://nsaney.com/pics/cry_baby_shampoo.gif

rofl

xargon
02-02-2009, 12:33 AM
If he was a pussy he would have found a way to justify the loss to himself,

“You know, in a fifth set, anything can happen. That’s the problem. Not usually the better player always wins. Just a matter of momentum sometimes.

“You know, maybe I should have never been there, you know, in the first place. But, I mean, I think he played well. You know, I definitely played a terrible fifth set, you know. I kind of handed it over to him.

I mean, no doubt he’s one of the tougher guys out there for a fifth set ‑ no doubt.” –Roger Federer

l_mac
02-02-2009, 12:34 AM
I just rewatched the trophy ceremony, and he did take away from Rafa's moment.

That's twice now Rafa has had subdued celebrations, to mark amazing achievements, because of Federer.

Would Rogi have the same thought for Rafa's feelings? Unlikely.

cocrcici
02-02-2009, 12:39 AM
I just rewatched the trophy ceremony, and he did take away from Rafa's moment.

That's twice now Rafa has had subdued celebrations, to mark amazing achievements, because of Federer.

Would Rogi have the same thought for Rafa's feelings? Unlikely.

TRUTH

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 12:40 AM
i think overall the crying scene brought more drama to tennis, and in conclusion, this is good for tennis, in the end tennis wins, tennis 1 fedal 0

Tennis doesn't win with those awful matches and bullshit scenes.

Hi, I am new to the forum but found this topic really interesting. First of all I am a fan of both Roger Federer and Rafa Nadal; and, believe that both are the GOAT where no one at this moment could come close to their achievements. I think Roger tried to hold back his tears, but once tears start to flow its hard to stop them. I honestly feel that he believed he could have beaten Rafa because hc is not Rafa's strongest surface, so he was shocked to see how well he was playing. At the same time however, I do feel Rafa's celebration was subdued due to Roger emotions. If Rafa would have celebrated more outwardly, then people would look at him and go "he's only thinking about himself" or "he has no feeling that Roger was crying". Yeah Roger won 13 GS and people had to sit back and watch him celebrate, but to each his own. If I was playing in a GS final and lost, I would probably be kicking myself in the butt, becaue who knows when you can make it back to the final, even if you are a Federer or Nadal. Criticism could go both ways. Yet you should not be ashamed of feeling angry or crying, and not ashamed of celebrating openly. It all has to do with what is proper at that moment. But hey, people eat up sob stories like hotcakes :-).

Thanks for letting people know you're not a serious fan.

No real tennis fan can be a fan of both players.

Andi-M
02-02-2009, 12:40 AM
Roger has def. 13 players in GS finals and I dont remember the celebrations being subdued for any of them most of them have been joyous euphoric occasions particularly his Wimbledon wins.

Those 13 oppenant probably wanted to cry their hearts out more than anything losing a GS final must hurt like hell yet they may have shed a tear or 2 but did not in anyway detract from the winners presentation.

Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 12:42 AM
Crying at an appropiate time? How is that? "I feel bad but I better cry later in my hotel room".:worship::worship::yeah::yeah::hatoff:

l_mac
02-02-2009, 12:46 AM
I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten ever so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that others do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he is when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.

This is a tough one.

Clearly Federer was not deliberately trying to steal Nadal's moment. He cried because he couldn't control himself. No doubt Federer will be quite embarressed by his actions when he looks back them. That said, Federer didn't do anything bad or wrong as such. And no, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with showing one's emotions.

However, I have to say Federer's outburst did reveal some serious shortcomings in the Federer psyche. It is very clear, Federer derives a huge amount of his self-worth by his success. This is fine and dandy when Federer is winning everything but when he isn't it's not surprising Federer struggles to cope. I think there is a real danger Federer could end up suffering with severe depression when his career ends.

Nadal in contrast, is an altogether much more mature individual. I found some of the quotes from his winning interview very telling. "When you win an important match, but you have to know before the match who you are and after the match you have to know who you are, too. You are the same, no?" This pretty much sums up Nadal's attitude to the sport and it also goes a long way towards explaining why Nadal is so mentally strong. Nadal's self worth is not connected to whether or not he wins tennis matches. Nadal is okay with himself regardless. All he asks of himself is that he gives it everything on the court. If after that he loses, fine. Unlike Federer, Nadal's self esteem isn't linked to whether or not he wins. This means Nadal is able to play tennis far more fearlessly and with far less pressure on his shoulders than does Federer. Nadal is better at focusing on each and every point without distractions that probably any player of his generation and probably a few generations before him. Unlike Federer, who has loads of profession goals that he feels a need to achieve, Nadal's appears to play with only one goal, simply to be the best he can be at that moment. Is it any wonder Nadal is stronger than Federer mentally and indeed emotionally. And after today's events it is very hard to see this changing.

So yeah, I guess one can justify Roger's behavior, given that it reflects that Roger is not the most emotionally mature of players, it could hardly be considered surprising. But truthfully I do feel a bit sorry for Federer, not because he lost but because clearly he has some serious self esteem issues that will need to be addressed if he doesn't want to escape serious depression down the road.
:) Two great posts, that I agree with most of.
Take off those rose glasses Seahorse: Nadal is being honest, but it's easy to say this when you win. Was he saying this to himself in the Wimbledon ('07) showers while crying to himself.

I'm pretty sure he would have been, MrChopin. He is a very level headed boy :shrug:

Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.

I highly doubt Djokovic would delight in Federer's tears. Maybe he wouldn't have dealt with it the way Rafa did, because he and Federer have a different relationship, but I think you are wrong to assume he would somehow enjoy Federer's obvious distress.

xargon
02-02-2009, 12:47 AM
also the constant "goes" he's having at other players.

Yes, I am sure Murray and Djok are enjoying the show, since he always criticizes them. Federer always celebrated with gusto and prevented Rafa from doing the same. Selfish and insecure.

PS
You can cry for joy but not whine in a loss when you are 27 and already have 13.

luie
02-02-2009, 12:47 AM
Tennis doesn't win with those awful matches and bullshit scenes.



Thanks for letting people know you're not a serious fan.

No real tennis fan can be a fan of both players.
Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.:confused:

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 12:51 AM
Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.:confused:

Do you really think so?

Maybe it's because I don't give a flying f***. :D

swebright
02-02-2009, 12:53 AM
It is more because all the hype + Roger's dreams are crashing down too soon and too quick. OK, we don't need to go over the top and say Rafa will win grand slams for 2 straight years and break the 13 slam record by end of 2010.


But let's wait and see how Nadal can hold up to for the years. I don't think he can be this strong starting 2010. Rafa's been playing at top level since 19; he can't hold on that much. Nothing against him. The those coming up are wimps, compared to these two champs.

I want Roger to come out and swing fiercelessly. He should keep the mind set of I am going to loose anyway; but I am going to swing wild. :devil::D:D[/I][/B]

l_mac
02-02-2009, 12:53 AM
Glen what's up. You seem to be taking rafa victory better than I expected.:confused:

:lol:

He so isn't.

luie
02-02-2009, 12:54 AM
Do you really think so?

Maybe it's because I don't give a flying f***. :D
Well yea compared to Wilberdon last year I'd say your are behaving quite civil.:D

Forehander
02-02-2009, 12:55 AM
Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.

buddyholly
02-02-2009, 12:56 AM
I said before that Federer reminds me of Michael Jackson - considers himself royalty, so naturally plays tennis with the Emperor of Japan and then simply must have a Japanese toilet installed in his house in Switzerland, because the one in his Tokyo hotel was such fun to sit on. Like a throne.
And remember the Wimbledon jackets with the ''royal'' coat-of-arms on the pocket!

Today I got the feeling he was sobbing because the king of tennis wants more slam titles than anybody else and his subjects are not bowing to his wish. He was really looking forward to being worshipped by the royal court of past tennis greats in attendance. Now Rafa has won a slam on all three surfaces and Federer can't do that.

He was quick to mock Djokovic for not being able to finish a match. Today I thought Rafa should have turned to him and said, ''Grow up, get over it.!!!!!! I'm the new king and it's good to be the king.''

Winston's Human
02-02-2009, 12:57 AM
Roger has def. 13 players in GS finals and I dont remember the celebrations being subdued for any of them most of them have been joyous euphoric occasions particularly his Wimbledon wins.

Those 13 oppenant probably wanted to cry their hearts out more than anything losing a GS final must hurt like hell yet they may have shed a tear or 2 but did not in anyway detract from the winners presentation.

Respect to Rafa for being so understanding of Rogers feelings I know Djokovic for exmaple would have revelled in Feds tears.

Exactly!

Federer has never been a player to show empathy or humility in his victories.

Andi-M
02-02-2009, 12:58 AM
Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.

Totally not the point. Men cry its great it means they have a heart.

buddyholly
02-02-2009, 12:58 AM
Maybe I should start a poll on this board to see who thinks male sex shedding tears is wrong.

It is not wrong when a man sheds tears for someone else's misfortune. It is pathetic when he only has tears for himself.

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 12:59 AM
Would Rogi have the same thought for Rafa's feelings? Unlikely.

yeah... but, who else has he got besides...? who else is not gonna retire and go toe to toe with nadal in a final...? roger is all nadal has for greatness... and rafa is exposing the mug era for what it is... was...

after Mcenroe took Borg's sh!t, Borg retired...

heh heh... Borg... what a pussy...

i gues i s'pose thats what happens when you hold it all in...

Rog'll be ok after he blows his nose...

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 01:03 AM
Well yea compared to Wilberdon last year I'd say your are behaving quite civil.:D

Tennis is gone already... there's nothing to weep about.

Luso
02-02-2009, 01:06 AM
Well, i think that, like in the last time he won in Australia, his behaviour just shows how much he is attached to the historic meaning of a GS final, and specially with the presence of Rod Laver, and the other champions on court to honour the new champions (him).
I believe also that he feels humble in the presence of the former champions
That factor made the disappointment to much to handle, and perhaps it hurted him during the last set.

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 01:06 AM
nice avvy gu... best volley i seen all week...

Johnny Groove
02-02-2009, 01:07 AM
Federer needs to stop acting like such a diva bitch. He'll never beat Nadal with his current attitude.

luie
02-02-2009, 01:08 AM
Tennis is gone already... there's nothing to weep about.
I guess you are right I expected the young guns Murray & novak to step up but it seems that all nadal has for competion is an old man with mental scars.:o

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 01:11 AM
Well, i think that, like in the last time he won in Australia, his behaviour just shows how much he is attached to the historic meaning of a GS final, and specially with the presence of Rod Laver, and the other champions on court to honour the new champions (him).
I believe also that he feels humble in the presence of the former champions
That factor made the disappointment to much to handle, and perhaps it hurted him during the last set.

probably closer to the truth than you'd think... fed really should've stayed away from the history books... couple of consecutive 5 set grand slam finals... then, to find out you are not the Hardcourt Hero you you had imagined you were... tough to have the make believe world you had built undressed...

Farenhajt
02-02-2009, 01:24 AM
Rafa now has an excellent shot at taking the Career Slam, while Roger still has to cope with Roland Garros, and he's not getting any younger or fitter (Rafa taking USO now seems much more likely than Federer taking RG) - and after last year's Wimbledon, even the Calendar Slam doesn't look farfetched.

Those tears were just an official statement for the fans: "Though I still might be good for a decent while, the legend IS finished."

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 01:29 AM
Celebrating more or less was Rafa´s choice, not Federer fault. He was trying not to cry but the ovation and people showing love and respect to Roger, next to Laver and the other guys, it was very emotional.
Roger shows respect to their rivals, I don´t know if you remember his match against Del Potro, Fed was very cute with the guy.
And is another factor, the record thing, is too much pressure, Nadal didn´t had that extra and Roger couldn´t handle that. When you are that close to something you really desire, it´s very regular to fail. Maybe Roger wasn´t prepare yet for the record.
Whatever happens, he is one of the best of tennis history, while we are here, posting in this forum, when we aren´t even in734534543593487356485694386753456354643 place of the atp ranking.

foolish pleasure
02-02-2009, 01:52 AM
wow....




just....



wow.





MTF is full of some really nasty, mean-spirited, hateful, bitchy-ass people is all i can say. i feel sorry for rafa, he must be ashamed to attract such god-awful fans...



i miss the days before tennis forums when i was deluded by ignorance into believing that we were a better sort than most sports fans...

mariposa_azul87
02-02-2009, 02:06 AM
wow....




just....



wow.





MTF is full of some really nasty, mean-spirited, hateful, bitchy-ass people is all i can say. i feel sorry for rafa, he must be ashamed to attract such god-awful fans...



i miss the days before tennis forums when i was deluded by ignorance into believing that we were a better sort than most sports fans...

:worship:here here!!!

Jagermeister
02-02-2009, 02:06 AM
I think Roger's tears were justified. Who's to say that emotions need to be justified?

I was a bit annoyed with him when he cried because it was taking away from Rafa enjoying his moment. But now I'm just mostly embarrassed for him.

And let's not fool ourselves. If the roles were reversed, Federer fans would be talking smack about Nadal and Nadal fans would be calling them heartless. It's a perpetual circle jerk here at MTF.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 02:14 AM
Well well, it sure didn't take long for the long knives to come out. None of you will achieve 0.1% of Federer's greatness and you presume to judge the man's few shed tears in the face of a soul-crushing loss. Pure haters, there is no other explanation.

WhataQT
02-02-2009, 02:14 AM
Updated: February 1, 2009
This one stings for Federer

By Bonnie D. Ford
ESPN.com


MELBOURNE, Australia -- Rafael Nadal punched the pause button on Roger Federer's bid to make history Sunday, but no one should overlook how much history of his own he made in the process.



Before Sunday's Australian Open final, it seemed ludicrous to imagine that any match could be a worthy sequel to their last meeting in the 2008 Wimbledon final. But moments after the second consecutive five-set classic between the two ended 7-5, 3-6, 7-6 (3), 3-6, 6-2 in Nadal's favor, making him the first Spanish player to win the event, the greater significance of the moment crystallized.

Three years have passed since Federer wept for joy on this very court when he received the champion's trophy from the legendary Rod Laver. On Sunday, Federer wept with disappointment at seeing another major slip away, leaving him still ringing Pete Sampras' doorbell, one short of the American's record of 14 Grand Slam titles.


"I think this was a tougher beat than Wimbledon," ESPN analyst Brad Gilbert said. "[Nadal] was completely out of gas, but he found a way to the finish line. Incredible. He has so much fight.



"Wimbledon was gut-wrenching, but [Federer] won the Olympic doubles and the U.S. Open and salvaged his year. This one stings more because it was the first of the year. It was going to re-energize him. Now he's lost five out of seven majors to his greatest rival."



Federer, 27, had three Slams in his pocket before his 23rd birthday. Nadal, who will turn 23 in June, already has twice that many, and if his body can withstand the spin-cycle pounding he puts it through, he appears capable of repeating the French Open-Wimbledon double in the future, a difficult feat he pulled off last year.



The younger man's first Slam title on hard court sharpens the picture in the collective viewfinder: Two men edging along the tightrope of their rivalry toward the inevitable tipping point where one starts to wobble and the other steps around him. It's not always a function of age, although that's clearly in the mix, and it doesn't always tip permanently. But this four-hour, 23-minute slugfest had the feel of a critical juncture.



Nadal-Federer replay
The stage was set for the world's top two players to collide once again in a Grand Slam final. Watch world No. 1 Rafael Nadal and 13-time Grand Slam winner Roger Federer battle for five dramatic sets Down Under. Replay

"There's huge collateral damage to this match," commentator Justin Gimelstob said. "There's no barrier that hasn't been broken now. There's just no telling what [Nadal] can do if his body holds up."



Nadal said he, too, teared up late in the match as emotion washed through him, and he looked stricken when Federer broke down during the postmatch ceremony. Classy as ever, Nadal embraced the man viewed as invincible for so long. "Everything was very special,'' Nadal said. "Sorry was tough moment for Rog today. I know how tough must be there in important situation from him. But, you know, no, he's a great champion. He's the best. And he's, for sure, very important person for our sport, no?



"So sorry for him, but at the same time congratulate him for everything."



Federer's inconsistent first serve -- its accuracy dipped to 37 percent in the second set, which he somehow found a way to win -- and struggle to convert break points were the biggest differences between the two on paper, ultimately undermining his 71 winners. He double-faulted to end the third-set tiebreaker in anticlimactic fashion, and did it again to help set up the break point that put him behind 3-1 in the fifth set and broke his spirit. But this match was won by Nadal, not lost by Federer, by virtue of superior mental toughness, improbable digs on the run and whistling groundstrokes that bend both physics and belief.

No. 2 Federer and No. 1 Nadal have now met seven times in Grand Slam finals, tying the ancient record set by Bill Tilden and William Johnston after World War I. But this marked the first time Federer was the lower-ranked player and had to stride down the hallway toward the tunnel entrance first, feeling Nadal's eyes on his back.

Federer had won three of the previous five matches on hard court, but they'd never faced off in a hard-court Slam. Leading up to the match, speculation focused on whether Nadal could recover from his five-hour-plus sprint against Fernando Verdasco in the semifinal, especially because Federer had had an extra day of rest.



U.S. Davis Cup captain and ESPN analyst Patrick McEnroe, who will guide his team against a Federer-led Swiss squad in next month's first-round encounter, was one of several observers who renewed the suggestion that Federer may need a full-time coach to help him solve the riddle Nadal poses.

McEnroe isn't nearly ready to say Federer is on the south side of his career, but he said his game plan and positioning were too predictable against Nadal, especially on return games.

"He succumbed to the pressure, for whatever reason," McEnroe said of Federer's loss of momentum in the fifth set. "Obviously, the guy's in his head. That's pretty clear at this point.

"The problem for him is that he's never had to really adjust to anything. He's always been so good and so talented, he could just rely on his game and kind of figure it out when he gets out there. All of a sudden, he's playing a guy he can't do that against. … He doesn't get on top of the guy when he's down, and he thought he was going to go away physically."

Former Swedish great Mats Wilander was even more emphatic, saying the rivalry tipped to Nadal's advantage "a long time ago."



"After [last year's] French Open, you knew it was going to take a lot to beat Nadal on any surface, because of the mental block [Federer] has," Wilander said. "I mean, there's something wrong, for sure. It seems like it's time to get a coach. He needs to explore more avenues than he has."

Depleted by then-undiagnosed mononucleosis, Federer still made it to the semifinals here last year. He declared then that his excellence during the previous four seasons had created a "monster" of cumulative expectations that were weighing him down. That burden seemed to get lighter when he won the U.S. Open in the fall, but it has been replaced.

Nadal is the fire-breathing beast keeping Federer from the treasure he wants now, not some intangible standard.

"I'm still surprised how quickly the mood swings with the media, with the fans, with everybody," Federer said earlier in the tournament. "You don't lose your edge that quickly. It's just not possible. I know I'm playing well. I feel good. I know sometimes you can always run into a player that's hot and you can lose."

Well, now he has. "Maybe I'll try again later," a gutted Federer told the crowd Sunday as he backed away from the microphone at center court, clutching the silver plate awarded to the tournament runner-up, temporarily unable to finish his remarks. The tearful comment is a promise. This proud and gracious player hasn't been pushed off the high wire by any means, but this match showed more than any other that he's going to have his hands full keeping his balance.



Bonnie D. Ford covers tennis and Olympic sports for ESPN.com. She can be reached at bonniedford@aol.com.

thrust
02-02-2009, 02:39 AM
hm... roger was just thinking about himself all the time. he should have just congratulated rafa and then cried like hell in the locker room like what he did in wimbledon.
instead he behaved like a spoilt kid.. so selfish....

nevermind, this is who roger is. he couldn't handle loss in a hc slam to rafa

rafa looked embarrassed and felt sorry for winning...

i feel sorry for rafa

I was rooting for Rafa ,however, I do not think Roger was crying because he lost. He was responding to the glowing statement by the Presenter and the Crowd reaction. It was obvious to me, during the match, that most of the crowd was rooting for Roger to win.

Havok
02-02-2009, 02:46 AM
Well well, it sure didn't take long for the long knives to come out. None of you will achieve 0.1% of Federer's greatness and you presume to judge the man's few shed tears in the face of a soul-crushing loss. Pure haters, there is no other explanation.

Did Nadal cry when he lost to Federer in the Wimbledon finals in 05 & 06 when he came so close? Nope.

Did Roddick cry when he lost to Federer after giving it his all at the Wimbledon 04 finals + Wimbly 05/USO 06 when he was CONSTANTLY losing to Fererer? Nope.

Roger needs to grow up, plain and simple. Ever since Nadal knocked him off the top spot and he started to really struggle at the start of 2008 he has been a grouch and simply cannot accept the fact that he is not the favorite anymore and often times he is going in as the 3rd or 4th favorite behind Djokovic and Murray at times.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 02:49 AM
Did Nadal cry when he lost to Federer in the Wimbledon finals in 05 & 06 when he came so close? Nope.

Did Roddick cry when he lost to Federer after giving it his all at the Wimbledon 04 finals + Wimbly 05/USO 06 when he was CONSTANTLY losing to Fererer? Nope.

Roger needs to grow up, plain and simple. Ever since Nadal knocked him off the top spot and he started to really struggle at the start of 2008 he has been a grouch and simply cannot accept the fact that he is not the favorite anymore and often times he is going in as the 3rd or 4th favorite behind Djokovic and Murray at times.

You lack one ounce of compassion in your body. Anyone who understands Roger knows that he did not try to upstage Nadal in the ceremony in a "look at me" type of thing. It's your pure hatred of the man that twists everything.

RagingLamb
02-02-2009, 02:59 AM
You lack one ounce of compassion in your body. Anyone who understands Roger knows that he did not try to upstage Nadal in the ceremony in a "look at me" type of thing. It's your pure hatred of the man that twists everything.

That's true, when he went up to the mike a second time, he said he's going to give it another try because Rafa should have the last word.

Roger's tears were awkward, yes, but people are being too harsh on him. Everyone's different, this guy gets emotional. Big deal.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 03:04 AM
That's true, when he went up to the mike a second time, he said he's going to give it another try because Rafa should have the last word.

Roger's tears were awkward, yes, but people are being too harsh on him. Everyone's different, this guy gets emotional. Big deal.

The way I look at the whole is like a Greek tragedy. Who wouldn't shed some tears? Are we supposed to not weep for Hector because Achilles is so brutal and strong?

mariposa_azul87
02-02-2009, 03:19 AM
Tennis doesn't win with those awful matches and bullshit scenes.



Thanks for letting people know you're not a serious fan.

No real tennis fan can be a fan of both players.

I was doing it all for you lol

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 03:21 AM
I have to admit I engaged in many idiotic displays over the last 2 years on this forum. I am regretting every instance of it now because it just fuels all the other idiots on this board. Too bad MTF couldn't be a place to rationally discuss tennis, instead it's just "Fanboi wars".

MarcelJordan
02-02-2009, 03:28 AM
I thought Fed cried because he had people (and a lot of them) cheering for him during the match. Yes, he was disappointed and disheartened but even more so when he had most of the support. He was quick to finally state how much Rafa deserved the win. Case closed. Nadal the Champ and that was the final word.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 03:39 AM
I thought Fed cried because he had people (and a lot of them) cheering for him during the match. Yes, he was disappointed and disheartened but even more so when he had most of the support. He was quick to finally state how much Rafa deserved the win. Case closed. Nadal the Champ and that was the final word.

:yeah::yeah:

swebright
02-02-2009, 03:40 AM
He was devastated. He's going to cry like that anyway; in the locker room or bath tub or in the toilet. It's just how much he cares.

Common...... I have never seen other tennis players/champs face similar situation like Roger. They would have QUIT by this time (you know who[s]), unlike Roger who keeps on playing like an energizer bunny. It is even to a point of humiliating but there's nothing to be ashamed of. It shows his mental weakness against Nadal but no need to put him down like as if he hasn't achieved anything.

Bandwagoners. After Nadal has achieved similar numbers, we will talk again.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 03:43 AM
He was devastated. He's going to cry like that anyway; in the locker room or bath tub or in the toilet. It's just how much he cares.

Common...... I have never seen other tennis players/champs face similar situation like Roger. They would have QUIT by this time (you know who[s]), unlike Roger who keeps on playing like an energizer bunny. It is even to a point of humiliating but there's nothing to be ashamed of. It shows his mental weakness against Nadal but no need to put him down like as if he hasn't achieved anything.

Bandwagoners. After Nadal has achieved similar numbers, we will talk again.

One could make the case for Nadal as GOAT already. #1, Won slams on all surfaces(grass, clay, hard). Olympic gold medal, Davis Cup titles. I think given that Nadal HAS won everything once, it will be interesting to see how his motivation stays the same.

meihaditalab
02-02-2009, 03:48 AM
Nadal understood that Federer was only crying because he knew he'd have to go home to fat Mirka and get flattened tonight. I'm sure he took no offense.

LMFAOOOOOOO. wow, good call. You could see throughout the whole game the 2 million dollars in Mirka's eyes. And when Federer lost and started crying at the ceremony... She didn't show any emotions and just put her hand on top of her mouth... Plus I'm sure Rafa pretended he felt bad for Fed. :) LOL

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 04:00 AM
they were but i wish he hadnt, he has shown cracks and it will be hard for him to ever come back from it

its doing things like this that are killing his aura with other players, and he'll find it harder and harder even just getting to GS finals nevermind making finals and trying to beat Nadal

worst thing is he didnt need to show that, a few better points here and there and he coulda beaten Nadal with utter ease today.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 04:02 AM
they were but i wish he hadnt, he has shown cracks and it will be hard for him to ever come back from it

its doing things like this that are killing his aura with other players, and he'll find it harder and harder even just gertting to GS finals nevermind making finals and trying to beat Nadal

worst thing is he didnt need to show that, a few better points here and there and he coulda beaten Nadal with utter ease today.

There are a few schools of thought on showing emotion publicly. Obviously someone like Djokovic(?) will sense blood in the water. OTOH, I don't know how Djoko's 7 retirements isn't MUCH worse then Fed's little cry after losing a GS Final. One thing for sure, he's officially entered Andy Roddick's personal hell.

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 04:02 AM
the stuff about it being pansy behaviour is just pure bullcrap

if you wanna talk about pansies look at the players who take to court with Nadal, win around 6 games and smile, hug and worship him at the end like they should be almost grateful to him for the lesson

props to Verdasco, Fed this week

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 04:05 AM
the stuff about it being pansy behaviour is just pure bullcrap

if you wanna talk about pansies look at the players who take to court with Nadal, win around 6 games and smile, hug and worship him at the end like they should be almost grateful to him for the lesson

props to Verdasco, Fed this week

However, how much criticism have Fed's victims received for their graciousness in losing? This is a very fine line we're dealing with here, between being just classy enough and being an absolute jerk like a Connors.

Mimi
02-02-2009, 04:16 AM
its justified, he is an emotional guy, but (no sarcasm), no need to feel so sorry for him, after all, he has 13 slams, while many has none :p

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 04:16 AM
I think that Roger was so sad and the tears were out alredy before he could consider that:
*He could be "stealing" Nadal´s moment
*He could look weaked or too emotional
*He could be analyzed and critizied by everybody who has a minute to think about the crying
*He could look bad in the pictures
and so on.
He was devastaded, he cried. Big deal. I cried too and I didn´t loose, I didn´t have Rod Laver by my side, I wasn´t ovationed by a lot of people, I didn´t loose the oportunity to tie an historical record, I wasn´t feeling the support and the sadness of the fans (and I don´t have fans). So I keep saying that we have no right to say if his tears were or not justified.

LoveFifteen
02-02-2009, 04:38 AM
Definitely. Not many people close to me died yet for me to cry so much.

And you always make sure to have plenty of KY before you take it up the ass! :hearts:

drf716
02-02-2009, 04:43 AM
He was responding to the glowing statement by the Presenter and the Crowd reaction.

i think that would be true if he was retiring but he isn't. i think he cried because he lost to nadal and because he's a very confident person, it hurt his pride. hehe. that's what i think.

chammer44
02-02-2009, 05:00 AM
Never extend sympathy for this fool. Ever. While on top of the world he swaggered and preened about like an emperor over lesser men, all too ready to pour salt on the wounds of the vanquished. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUi7Is7H54M

What a delicious moment it is. Fellow Fedhaters, our moment of reckoning has finally arrived. Mwahahah!

moonlightdance
02-02-2009, 05:04 AM
i'm not judging fed, but i do now have a bit of appreciation for roddick.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 05:10 AM
Never extend sympathy for this fool. Ever. While on top of the world he swaggered and preened about like an emperor over lesser men, all too ready to pour salt on the wounds of the vanquished. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUi7Is7H54M

What a delicious moment it is. Fellow Fedhaters, our moment of reckoning has finally arrived. Mwahahah!

Keep fueling the fanboy wars. So much for tennis discussion.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 05:11 AM
i'm not judging fed, but i do now have a bit of appreciation for roddick.

No doubt I feel now what some of the Roddick-angst. Of course their man doesn't have 13 slam titles, so it's much worse. :hug: to all Roddick fans.

leng jai
02-02-2009, 05:45 AM
Fedmug's crying = highlight of the night.

WIMBLY2004
02-02-2009, 07:04 AM
Federer's tears only made me appreciate Rafa's personality more. The way he took his loss in Wimbledon 07 and how he handled the situation yesterday showed he is such a great guy with a golden heart.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 07:11 AM
Fedmug's crying = highlight of the night.

Do you just live in a negativity bubble?

Laba
02-02-2009, 07:19 AM
It's not the first time Fed has cried after failing to win a final, and yeah, we all know how big this occasion was and how important the win was here but he lost to the man across the net who played a better match than him. Are his tears justified or not? That's just a stupid fucking question, plain and simple. He hasn't done himself any favors by bawling his eyes out like that but really, it's not like this was his plan all along if Rafa won. Is he a pansy? Did he steal Nadal's moment? Who cares. Rafa didn't seem bothered by it, perhaps embarrassed for Roger but eh. I also agree with what Wimbly2004 said.

name_change
02-02-2009, 07:23 AM
When Novotna cried, I felt bad for her. She was leading and she choked. And she wanted Wimbledon so badly.

Federer on the other hand, could have handled himself better. I did feel bad, but really. Be a man, control yourself. It's not like he was leading the entire match. If anything, he was behind. I got annoyed when he refused to stop crying even during the photoshoot. Geez!

BackhandMissile
02-02-2009, 07:29 AM
No real tennis fan can be a fan of both players.

Of course not. True tennis fan's support Guccione, who displays what tennis is all about for one or two rounds every grand slam before getting kicked out.

Laba
02-02-2009, 07:50 AM
Gotta love that Gooch.

FairWeatherFan
02-02-2009, 08:28 AM
The death of tennis is enough reason to cry. Seeing someone with Nadal's limited gamestyle having a realistic chance at winning the grand slam signals this death - decent enough human being Nadal may however be. A player whose style is only brute force, who would not even conceivably be a great player without the gigantic sweet spot on his raquet, triumphs over one of the greatest all-court players and artists tennis has seen.

You could tell by Laver's face that he wasn't happy about Nadal winning. Laver lavishes praise on Federer - since when has he done the same to Nadal? It's like Laver said recently...the artistry has gone out of the sport. Men's tennis is going the way of the women's, just simply clubbing the ball. The only difference is the added topspin. What rubbish professional tennis has become in the space of only ten years.

Laba
02-02-2009, 08:32 AM
Boohoo. :o

crude oil
02-02-2009, 08:33 AM
federer couldn't control himself. But he should of.

instead of talking about how well nadal played and how tough he was, its all about federer's tears. but rafa was never one to crave the spotlight.

after all federer is the favorite, no?

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 08:37 AM
The death of tennis is enough reason to cry. Seeing someone with Nadal's limited gamestyle having a realistic chance at winning the grand slam signals this death - decent enough human being Nadal may however be. A player whose style is only brute force, who would not even conceivably be a great player without the gigantic sweet spot on his raquet, triumphs over one of the greatest all-court players and artists tennis has seen.

You could tell by Laver's face that he wasn't happy about Nadal winning. Laver lavishes praise on Federer - since when has he done the same to Nadal? It's like Laver said recently...the artistry has gone out of the sport. Men's tennis is going the way of the women's, just simply clubbing the ball. The only difference is the added topspin. What rubbish professional tennis has become in the space of only ten years.

I agree. Though tennis basically died in July 2008. This was just more dirt on the grave.

Or Levy
02-02-2009, 09:03 AM
I think Roger wishes with all of his heart he hadn't reacted the way that he did, he tried hard to control the tears, but just couldn't.

You could see it coming when he was sitting down, he was crying then (unlike the FO or Wimby 08), Rod Laver came to comfort him, Roger shook his hand but was generally unresponsive and couldn't smile at him - you could see he was trying to get a handle on his emotions, I just knew this would end in massive tears.

People who were at the match said behind him were a massive amount of people chanting his name, saying "I love you", etc, etc. He said in the Swiss interview the whole ceremony took a long time, in face of the warmth from the crowd he had a tough time getting composed, getting the runner-up plate from a (visibly upset) Laver completely devestated him.

Rafa's muted celebration at the FO wasn't because of anything Roger did, Roger was sad, but very reserved, Rafa acted out of respect, not beacuse Roger made it sad for him, Roger even cracked a joke in the speech.

Rafa celebrated Wimby 08 in a pretty big way, so it isn't like it's the 1000 time Roger ruins a ceremony for Rafa.

And I dare say that if Andy Roddick burst in tears during a ceremony, Roger would go pat on his back as well, and low-key the celebrations. Other than the fall backwards (which Rafa did), Roger isn't exactly one to jump all over the arena, he doesn't even go over to his box like the rest of them do, he never did it.

Magenta
02-02-2009, 09:05 AM
I say bring on the crocodile tears. I haven't had such a laugh in a while. :haha:

I felt a little embarrassed for him to be honest.

leng jai
02-02-2009, 11:10 AM
Do you just live in a negativity bubble?

Do you live in between Fedmug and Nadull's asses?

nanoman
02-02-2009, 11:26 AM
Federer was acting like a big baby who doesn't receive his candy. If I was Nadal I would've make fun of him.

Mohammad
02-02-2009, 11:39 AM
Federer was acting like a big baby who doesn't receive his candy.

:rolls::haha::haha:

FED = The selfishest man in the whole world

tennisvideos
02-02-2009, 11:53 AM
wtf? he was devastated, he'd just lost a match he could have won, to the guy he can't seem to beat lately, in front of his childhood hero, and he was physically and emotionally drained. he didn't cry after Wimbledon, let him cry now. I think it's quite clear that he wasn't trying to steal Rafa's thunder :rolleyes:

have some fucking empathy, all of you who criticise him for displaying natural human emotion.

I agree completely. I love that Roger can be natural and express himself. Why many in society try to condemn the expression of emotions I have no idea. I thought it was a wonderful moment and thank heavens Roger didn't try to bottle it up like a stiff.

bad gambler
02-02-2009, 11:54 AM
No

MurrayFan1
02-02-2009, 11:56 AM
The tears were justified.

And this not the death of tennis. If tennis is not suppossed to be competitive, then yeah, it is then.

bad gambler
02-02-2009, 11:56 AM
The death of tennis is enough reason to cry. Seeing someone with Nadal's limited gamestyle having a realistic chance at winning the grand slam signals this death - decent enough human being Nadal may however be. A player whose style is only brute force, who would not even conceivably be a great player without the gigantic sweet spot on his raquet, triumphs over one of the greatest all-court players and artists tennis has seen.

You could tell by Laver's face that he wasn't happy about Nadal winning. Laver lavishes praise on Federer - since when has he done the same to Nadal? It's like Laver said recently...the artistry has gone out of the sport. Men's tennis is going the way of the women's, just simply clubbing the ball. The only difference is the added topspin. What rubbish professional tennis has become in the space of only ten years.

If that is the case stop watching tennis ffs and stop complaining.

rafa_maniac
02-02-2009, 12:09 PM
Were they "justified"?? What kind of a question is that? :rolleyes: Federer obviously felt they were to act the way he did, noone else can judge that.

Were they "appropriate" for that moment? No, not really. The trophy ceremony is meant to be a celebration of the winner's success ASWELL AS the finalist (they receive a trophy too after all), and not a moment for the loser to wallow in self pity. Almost every other finalist ever has managed to compose themselves in that moment despite how horribly they must be feeling internally, and like it or lump it, it did mute the celebration of Rafa's victory, you could see it in Rafa's face, you can read it on this forum, you can witness it in the news reports today....

But such is sport, it's a volatile, emotional human pursuit and these things happen, Federer obviously couldn't help the tears, and at the end of the day Rafa still won and Federer still lost, so I don't let myself get too hung up about it :shrug:

oranges
02-02-2009, 12:19 PM
Frankly, I find it pathetic. This is the same guy who only a few days ago had no problem finishing a point at the net with his head against a youngster whom he utterly destroyed, but when he loses he suddenly becomes human and everyone should feel for him. Either be human all the time or suck it up. :o

Experimentee
02-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Obviously Roger did not want to cry in front of millions of viewers worldwide. He couldn't hold his tears in. He has always had trouble holding back his emotions, win or lose. Not his fault it happened to come out during the ceremony.

Deivid23
02-02-2009, 12:39 PM
First Rolex, then Gillette, now KleenexŪ :worship:

AnnaK_4ever
02-02-2009, 12:44 PM
Well well, it sure didn't take long for the long knives to come out. None of you will achieve 0.1% of Federer's greatness and you presume to judge the man's few shed tears in the face of a soul-crushing loss. Pure haters, there is no other explanation.

:haha:

And you dare talk about "haters"?

Btw, for any sane person a death of one's child/wife/mother/father/friend is a "soul-crushing" loss.
Losing a tennis match is just losing a tennis match. Especially if you were never in position to win it.

MacTheKnife
02-02-2009, 02:36 PM
Well I guess people respond differently to victory and defeat. If I had lost that match I would not have cried, but they'd need to remodel the locker room, cause I'd have done some serious damage in there.

allouso
02-02-2009, 02:42 PM
Of course it's justified. Rafa's already kicked his arse in the last 2 slam finals they contested, he really looked shattered after Wimbledon but held his tears, he couldn't do it yesterday and it's understandable. Yesterday showed Fed that Rafa has really taken over the mantle, and he's conquering all courts now.

He just couldn't deal with the idea that he's done being the world's best player, after being at the top for so long, and not being able to equal Sampras's record.

Credit to Rafa though, we all know he wanted to celebrate his heart out, but he stayed quiet, a true professional.

Iván
02-02-2009, 03:34 PM
Roger Federer cant help the fact that he is a gentle giant.

Tennisman82
02-02-2009, 03:46 PM
Of course it's justified...Fed’s an emotional guy and this was a huge occasion. It was sad to see.

Most successful tennis players or athletes have had moments like this after a demoralising loss but in the locker-room.

Tennisman82.

Vida
02-02-2009, 03:54 PM
Why did Fed cry?

Because his own arrogance is eating on him. His reliance that the other guy is less talented, less ready or will simply choke... Simple as that.

Here's what PatMac said:

"The problem for him is that he's never had to really adjust to anything. He's always been so good and so talented, he could just rely on his game and kind of figure it out when he gets out there. All of a sudden, he's playing a guy he can't do that against. … He doesn't get on top of the guy when he's down, and he thought he was going to go away physically."

So true.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 03:55 PM
A soul-crushing loss. Nothing else needs to be said.

Sean
02-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Why did Fed cry?

Because his own arrogance is eating on him. His reliance that the other guy is less talented, less ready or will simply choke... Simple as that.

Here's what PatMac said:

"The problem for him is that he's never had to really adjust to anything. He's always been so good and so talented, he could just rely on his game and kind of figure it out when he gets out there. All of a sudden, he's playing a guy he can't do that against. … He doesn't get on top of the guy when he's down, and he thought he was going to go away physically."

So true.

Exactly. Spoilt blubbering baby had everything his own way for last 5 years cant take it that Nadal now owns him on every surface. What did he expext he'd dominate till he was 50 :rolleyes:
Its pathethic that people are feeling sorry for a multi-millioaire 13x GS champ because he lost a tennis match, you people have no idea what hardship or problems are!

And for hose of you who said he didnt mean and he wouldn't want to take Nadals moment away or whatever, why did he not apologise for his actions in the press conference afterwards??

Björki
02-02-2009, 04:10 PM
First Rolex, then Gillette, now KleenexŪ :worship:

:o

Svetlana.
02-02-2009, 04:13 PM
Why did Fed cry?

Because his own arrogance is eating on him. His reliance that the other guy is less talented, less ready or will simply choke... Simple as that.

Here's what PatMac said:

"The problem for him is that he's never had to really adjust to anything. He's always been so good and so talented, he could just rely on his game and kind of figure it out when he gets out there. All of a sudden, he's playing a guy he can't do that against. … He doesn't get on top of the guy when he's down, and he thought he was going to go away physically."

So true.


not just that, but it also tells me that Fed still underestimates Rafa and think he's a better player than him.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 04:14 PM
Exactly. Spoilt blubbering baby had everything his own way for last 5 years cant take it that Nadal now owns him on every surface. What did he expext he'd dominate till he was 50 :rolleyes:
Its pathethic that people are feeling sorry for a multi-millioaire 13x GS champ because he lost a tennis match, you people have no idea what hardship or problems are!

And for hose of you who said he didnt mean and he wouldn't want to take Nadals moment away or whatever, why did he not apologise for his actions in the press conference afterwards??

Apologize for crying? Really? A multimillionare guy canīt have problemas, have feelings, be sad because has many? I think that point of view is pathetic.

Svetlana.
02-02-2009, 04:15 PM
A soul-crushing loss. Nothing else needs to be said.

you better to get used to it...

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 04:21 PM
Why did Fed cry?

Because his own arrogance is eating on him. His reliance that the other guy is less talented, less ready or will simply choke... Simple as that.

Here's what PatMac said:

"The problem for him is that he's never had to really adjust to anything. He's always been so good and so talented, he could just rely on his game and kind of figure it out when he gets out there. All of a sudden, he's playing a guy he can't do that against. … He doesn't get on top of the guy when he's down, and he thought he was going to go away physically."

So true.Federer is arrogant? Are you:cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo:or what???:confused::confused:

Svetlana.
02-02-2009, 04:22 PM
Federer's tears only made me appreciate Rafa's personality more.

Same here... Nadal is a great guy.

Sean
02-02-2009, 04:24 PM
Apologize for crying? Really? A multimillionare guy canīt have problemas, have feelings, be sad because has many? I think that point of view is pathetic.

He couldnt help Ok so why not afterwards say something like.....
"I was overcome with emotion out there and Im really sorry if it in anyway took away from Nadals moment, he truly deserved to win."

But he's not sorry he dosent care its all about him all the time. Like the Murray favorite thing the guy took such offense. People don't think he's the best anymore, he should deal with it.

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 04:28 PM
It was really low from Fed.
He's a 27 years old for God sake! If he wanted to cry so badly he could have done it in locker room.Yes, if he could.....but, think a lot....., there was a prize-ceremony!!!
But, those "somethings stupid" are you dreaming at night?:o:confused::(:p

Vida
02-02-2009, 04:35 PM
Can't remember last time I saw anything as pathetic as Fed crying yesterday. Those WImby tears with JMac were kind of understandable more or less. It was Wimby, Feds ground so to speak, and it was the first time he lost something that big that he already had. I mean he could always say to himself I lost AO on account of mono or bad chicken or whatever. FO was never his in the first place so...

But this! I dunno,... I was like 'WTF is that?!' Could you be that much sorry for yourself, that your ambition (and there doesn't seem to be a bigger one AT ALL in the world) is to be unfulfilled? I mean you had it for sooo long, streaming the likes of Roddick in the finals and making fun of him, all from the upper hand position, than those remarks (Rafa a 1D player and so on)... than those rationalizations of his, that always leave the impression he thinks as if it was all up to him...

And as if that wasn't enough so he cries. BWAAAAA!! Call your mommy and sob to her cause youaint to be the GOAT! :lol: How freaking pathetic! Worse than when Blake Carrington found out he was his own father!

And Nadal.... now I'm really not fond of the word "class". In my language it associates me with something that my grandpa (a WW2 vet) told me people who though had it - were hanged... but this guy - Nadal - total and complete class. No comparison really. Reading Tony's interview the other day at Bodo's it all makes sense. It even appears Rafa actually felt sorry for Fed, like that hug and all was for real. How cool is that?! Totally cool.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 04:36 PM
He couldnt help Ok so why not afterwards say something like.....
"I was overcome with emotion out there and Im really sorry if it in anyway took away from Nadals moment, he truly deserved to win."

But he's not sorry he dosent care its all about him all the time. Like the Murray favorite thing the guy took such offense. People don't think he's the best anymore, he should deal with it.

Just different points of view. He alredy said in the ceremony "I donīt want to have the last word, this guy really deserve it" or something like that, I think that was enough, and maybe not everybody believes that he took Rafaīs moment.
I donīt think is that easy being Roger Federer, to be dealing with all the things he has to deal with, too much pressure, it must be awful. Rafa is still in the pink part of the history, as Roger in the begining, let see what happens in a couple of years.
I still remember the press and a lot of people saying that Sampras was done, and then he shut everybody up.

amonb
02-02-2009, 04:37 PM
He was crying because he knows he will never win that 14th slam. Nadal will get there before he does!!!!!! And agree or disagree his tantrum ruined nadals moment!!!!

kiwi10is
02-02-2009, 04:37 PM
What an old fashioned discussion! Why are men not allowed to show their feelings?? I love Roger for not hiding his tears. It shows how much this tournament means to him. To see that a player leaves his heart on the court makes tennis special! And receiving the trophy showed that Rafa is a great player but when he put his arm around Roger's shoulder he showed that he is a great champion also. Roger's tears didn't ruin Rafa's ceremony but made it even more special

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 04:42 PM
He was crying because he knows he will never win that 14th slam. Nadal will get there before he does!!!!!! And agree or disagree his tantrum ruined nadals moment!!!!

and agree or disagree you have the last word? OK.:rolleyes:

GlennMirnyi
02-02-2009, 04:43 PM
Argh.

Nadull has no personality. I wonder how people have the guts to write something like that.

Was it pathetic that Frauderer cried? Yeah it was. Especially because he had the match in his hands and gave it away. Was it out of place? Of course. He should have cried during the match, after losing what? 15-16 break points?

jenanun
02-02-2009, 04:46 PM
What an old fashioned discussion! Why are men not allowed to show their feelings?? I love Roger for not hiding his tears. It shows how much this tournament means to him. To see that a player leaves his heart on the court makes tennis special! And receiving the trophy showed that Rafa is a great player but when he put his arm around Roger's shoulder he showed that he is a great champion also. Roger's tears didn't ruin Rafa's ceremony but made it even more special

but is tennis only about roger winning? so he cannot accept loss or praise his opponents. his feelings all about himself not winning the 14th....

he should show a little bit respect to his oppoonent, congratulate rafa.

so yes roger is a human, that's why he should be able to have a bit self control

Vida
02-02-2009, 04:49 PM
Argh.

Nadull has no personality. I wonder how people have the guts to write something like that.

Was it pathetic that Frauderer cried? Yeah it was. Especially because he had the match in his hands and gave it away. Was it out of place? Of course. He should have cried during the match, after losing what? 15-16 break points?

You will learn as you mature kiddo.

Personality isnt about fancy TV interviews at Lenos, or crying --- "showing your emotions on a plate"... its about character. Its about knowing where you stand and who you are, and not being succeptible to changing of personality due to diff circumstances. That means you are who you are, you are a person, not a clown who changes faces to please somebody.

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 04:50 PM
The death of tennis is enough reason to cry. Seeing someone with Nadal's limited gamestyle having a realistic chance at winning the grand slam signals this death - decent enough human being Nadal may however be. A player whose style is only brute force, who would not even conceivably be a great player without the gigantic sweet spot on his raquet, triumphs over one of the greatest all-court players and artists tennis has seen.

You could tell by Laver's face that he wasn't happy about Nadal winning. Laver lavishes praise on Federer:worship::worship::worship::worship:Too true! It was written in his face!!! - since when has he done the same to Nadal? It's like Laver said recently...the artistry has gone out of the sport. Men's tennis is going the way of the women's, just simply clubbing the ball. The only difference is the added topspin.:p:p:pYes, ugly to see, but mortally efficient:sad::sad: What rubbish professional tennis has become in the space of only ten years.:sad::sad::sad::sad:

jcreback
02-02-2009, 04:51 PM
I'm not reading through 12 pages, so sorry if this has already been said.

Fed couldn't speak and they were going to have Nadal speak first, but Federer mustered up enough to speak first, saying that Nadal deserved to speak last as the champ and he didn't want to ruin that for him.

If that doesn't show that Fed's heart is in the right place, you are living under a rock.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 04:52 PM
cannot accept loss or praise his opponents

This describes Mugboar (Nadull) perfectly.

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 04:55 PM
I'm not reading through 12 pages, so sorry if this has already been said.

Fed couldn't speak and they were going to have Nadal speak first, but Federer mustered up enough to speak first, saying that Nadal deserved to speak last as the champ and he didn't want to ruin that for him.

If that doesn't show that Fed's heart is in the right place, you are living under a rock.:worship::worship::worship:
Who are you baby.....? I am just falling in love with you!!!:smooch::smooch::hug::hug:

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 04:58 PM
What an old fashioned discussion! Why are men not allowed to show their feelings?? I love Roger for not hiding his tears. It shows how much this tournament means to him. To see that a player leaves his heart on the court makes tennis special! And receiving the trophy showed that Rafa is a great player but when he put his arm around Roger's shoulder he showed that he is a great champion also. Roger's tears didn't ruin Rafa's ceremony but made it even more specialYes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!!!! I love you, too!!!!:worship::worship::worship::worship:
Great people are here!!!!! Thanks, indeed!!!!:worship::worship::worship::wavey::wavey :

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 05:07 PM
He did congratulate Rafa, the difference is that Roger is an honest person, not an obsequiousness as another players. Too praise is false, all this guys wants to win. Rafa´s speech of: "Roger is the best, Roger is better than me, I love Roger, I have a picture of Roger in my door´s room, I´m just lerning, I have to improve a lot, Karanusic is favouriter than me, I though I was going to loose, I was so tired, I couldn´t even crawl" is annoying. I don´t find this humble. Sorry, I don´t want to be mean with Nadal, is a good guy, but I found Roger more sincere.

Crazy Girl
02-02-2009, 05:12 PM
:worship::worship:i think the reason Roger was crying was more because he was touched at the amount of support the fans gave him in spite of his loss...he wasn't crying because he was a sore loser :o. he cried during the trophy ceremony in 2006 too and he won that time. anyway, i think it's fine.:worship::worship:

Jaz
02-02-2009, 05:16 PM
He did congratulate Rafa, the difference is that Roger is an honest person, not an obsequiousness as another players. Too praise is false, all this guys wants to win. Rafaīs speech of: "Roger is the best, Roger is better than me, I love Roger, I have a picture of Roger in my doorīs room, Iīm just lerning, I have to improve a lot, Karanusic is favouriter than me, I though I was going to loose, I was so tired, I couldnīt even crawl" is annoying. I donīt find this humble. Sorry, I donīt want to be mean with Nadal, is a good guy, but I found Roger more sincere.

That's just wrong, Nadal is a great guy. I'm a fed fan. You have to consider Uncle Tony - He has always praised Federer and effectively told Rafa to model himself on him off the court. That's not a bad thing. IMO of all Tennis role models, of all sports, Federer is probably only second to Woods in terms of "role model".

Federer also happened to be a brilliant Tennis player too. ;)

Federer is justified to cry. He works hard, expectations are so high (still). And he keeps losing in the Final in 5-sets to the same guy.

jcreback
02-02-2009, 05:17 PM
I mean, for what it is worth, when that match ended I almost started crying. Then again, that was because I was angry and the match started at 3:30 am where I live, so I only got 2 hours of sleep and was in a really bad mood.

Igaarg
02-02-2009, 05:27 PM
That's just wrong, Nadal is a great guy. I'm a fed fan. You have to consider Uncle Tony - He has always praised Federer and effectively told Rafa to model himself on him off the court. That's not a bad thing. IMO of all Tennis role models, of all sports, Federer is probably only second to Woods in terms of "role model".

Federer also happened to be a brilliant Tennis player too. ;)

Federer is justified to cry. He works hard, expectations are so high (still). And he keeps losing in the Final in 5-sets to the same guy.

As I said, I didnīt want to be mean with Nadal, maybe is his personality I donīt know. But I donīt think people is being fair with Roger. In tennis and in life, is allowed to cry, and we are here saying if itīs right or not.

vucina
02-02-2009, 06:32 PM
Good thing he can lose like a man, with dignity...

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 07:40 PM
"Roger is the best, Roger is better than me, I love Roger, I have a picture of Roger in my doorīs room, Iīm just lerning, I have to improve a lot, Karanusic is favouriter than me, I though I was going to loose, I was so tired, I couldnīt even crawl"

:lol: funny stuff...

:worship: the delivery man lurks...

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 07:57 PM
Nice to see Nadal making loads of new fans because of his 'classy behaviour' at the ceremony

see, Nadaltards should at least thank Roger & his 'little episode' for giving Nadal the platform to display his classiness

Bazooka
02-02-2009, 08:13 PM
Well, it really spoiled the glorious moment for many, including myself.

He is not to blame if he could not control his emotions and it just happened. Which is likely what really happened.

What is a real shame, an utter shame on him, is the post match interview. Crap like (from memory, not quoting) "Anything can happen in a five setter, not always the best player wins". Or "I try to serve more to the lines, Rafa just tries to has his serve in, that's why I DF", or "he has advantages, I wish I was a leftie" are not the things you say when you accept your defeat. He is being childish, and lost in denial. The best player wins the fifth set, specially if the score is 6-2. Rafa 1st service always seeks the lines and corners. And we have not seen a #1 leftie since MacEnroe.

Compare that with Nadal interview after Wimbledon 2007. He was mentally and phisically destroyed, and it took him almost 10 months to win again. Yet he was all praise for Roger and never suggested anything about a fifth set not being won by the best. Or take Roddick from his own finals.

MalwareDie
02-02-2009, 08:25 PM
What is a real shame, an utter shame on him, is the post match interview. Crap like (from memory, not quoting) "Anything can happen in a five setter, not always the best player wins". Or "I try to serve more to the lines, Rafa just tries to has his serve in, that's why I DF", or "he has advantages, I wish I was a leftie" are not the things you say when you accept your defeat. He is being childish, and lost in denial. The best player wins the fifth set, specially if the score is 6-2. Rafa 1st service always seeks the lines and corners. And we have not seen a #1 leftie since MacEnroe.

It's no different that what Nadull always does. Nadull has an excuse for every loss.

r3d_d3v1l_
02-02-2009, 08:28 PM
This thread doesnīt even make sense. He was humilliated in the French Open, he lost his opportunity to win 6 consecutives Wimbledon Slams and now he disappoints himself and his fans when he was so close to achieve Sampraīs 14 Slams record. The pressure was too high, everyone was there (the Legends), it was the moment and Federer couldnīt do his job. There were many factors that contributed to the mental breakdown of Fed. I cried with him because you could really feel the pain of Federer, he really wanted to lift the award, but he couldnīt... If this is not enough to make a man cry...

And of course, there are the accusations of Fed ruinning Nadalīs ceremony... He even took the opportunity to speak before Nadal, in that moment of despair, of sadness, he respected his opponentīs moment. I donīt have any doubts that Federer regreted crying, but the man of ice couldīnt control it. He loves to win too much. And who can blame him?

Thumbs Up for Nadal, even tough i donīt sympathize a lot with him he showed true sportsmanship in that awkward moment. It must have been really strange to Nadal to see Federer in that mindset. The moment of the hug was truly unique.

Jaz
02-02-2009, 08:30 PM
Well, it really spoiled the glorious moment for many, including myself.

He is not to blame if he could not control his emotions and it just happened. Which is likely what really happened.

What is a real shame, an utter shame on him, is the post match interview. Crap like (from memory, not quoting) "Anything can happen in a five setter, not always the best player wins". Or "I try to serve more to the lines, Rafa just tries to has his serve in, that's why I DF", or "he has advantages, I wish I was a leftie" are not the things you say when you accept your defeat. He is being childish, and lost in denial. The best player wins the fifth set, specially if the score is 6-2. Rafa 1st service always seeks the lines and corners. And we have not seen a #1 leftie since MacEnroe.

Compare that with Nadal interview after Wimbledon 2007. He was mentally and phisically destroyed, and it took him almost 10 months to win again. Yet he was all praise for Roger and never suggested anything about a fifth set not being won by the best. Or take Roddick from his own finals.

It spoiled your moment? I guess you forgot two people play the match, one lost and one won. For Federer it evidently meant more. For Nadal it doesn't matter he can play for another few years at full (or better) health. He will play atleast 12 more grandslams.

For Federer every loss brings him a barrage of haters, a barrage of "he should retire!" and a media journo's giving him pressure. Every loss brings "Federer can't beat Nadal". "Federer too old". "Federer won't break record". "Federer isn't GOAT". To be honest I would cry every time I lost if there was that kind of pressure.

DDrago2
02-02-2009, 08:39 PM
Federer was supposed to be a stoic type, the same in sharp pains and in joy. But he repeatedly teared down this image of himself and now again... and it's always AO where the most embarassing scenes happen

fast_clay
02-02-2009, 08:47 PM
to be fair... dude cries when he wins too...

Corey Feldman
02-02-2009, 08:53 PM
watch the last 30 seconds of this Basel final in 2001

w8QDlcFHA4o

look familiar? ;)

aurora2006
02-02-2009, 08:55 PM
I haven't see that kind of emotional breakdown at a trophy ceremony since Jana Novotna lost to Steffi Graf when she melted down after a set up and serving to go up 5-1.

And yeah, I agree that probably Federer didn't want to humiliate himself in public like that, but still.... He's beaten ever so many people at slams and in slam finals too. I'm sure they wanted it just as badly as he wanted it today, however they managed to remain gracious in defeat. If any one of his opponents in a grand slam final had broken down like Federer did today, I'm sure that they would have been laughed at by most of the posters here. Maybe he couldn't help it, but how is it that others do manage, but he can't? Also, why is it that when Federer cries, it's somehow evidence of just how wonderful he is when those same posters would have laughed at Andy if he had broken down after his bitter losses to Federer at Wimbledon?

When he beat Nadal at Wimbledon the year before last, Nadal wept bitterly in the locker room, but managed to be gracious at the victory ceremony. I'd like for Nadal for once be able to be happy at a slam victory ceremony rather than having to be tiptoeing around Federer's feelings.


Well said! :yeah:

FedFan
02-02-2009, 09:13 PM
The death of tennis is enough reason to cry. Seeing someone with Nadal's limited gamestyle having a realistic chance at winning the grand slam signals this death - decent enough human being Nadal may however be. A player whose style is only brute force, who would not even conceivably be a great player without the gigantic sweet spot on his raquet, triumphs over one of the greatest all-court players and artists tennis has seen.

You could tell by Laver's face that he wasn't happy about Nadal winning. Laver lavishes praise on Federer - since when has he done the same to Nadal? It's like Laver said recently...the artistry has gone out of the sport. Men's tennis is going the way of the women's, just simply clubbing the ball. The only difference is the added topspin. What rubbish professional tennis has become in the space of only ten years.


Why is Roger not allowed to show his feelings? You can not always control your emotion, it is something natural. ;)

Roger is much more sensitive than the raging bull, he is an artist.

But he is more loved by the public, it was clear as water yesterday during the ceremony.

morningglory
02-02-2009, 09:19 PM
watch the last 30 seconds of this Basel final in 2001

w8QDlcFHA4o

look familiar? ;)

:haha: A Mickey Mouse final and he cries too? My goodness that's beyond pathetic... And he lost in str8s too.

You'd think he'd have changed a bit after years of dominating the tour... guess not.

Pfloyd
02-02-2009, 09:23 PM
This is an interesting topic and I believe both points of view have some validity to them.

I found it interesting when some posters suggested the idea that Roger cried because he was unable to catch Sampras' record, and also that Nadal has become a real nightmare for him.

Nadal loves the game for what it is, and like he keeps saying, he'll try his best, and what comes will come.

However, you can't change the way you are. Although to casual outsider seeing Federer cry because he did not achieve his career benchmark may look self absorbed, it is the way he is. He has played tennis all his life and has achieved what few others have, you cannot condemn a guy for crying sincerely after having reached the brink of tennis glory, 14 grand slams.

There is no more merit for Rafa not crying when he loses a slam in front of the crowd as Federer did this time. That's just something inherited by genetics.

I seriously doubt that either of these two players would intentionally try to hurt the other in any way, shape or form.

Bazooka
02-02-2009, 10:13 PM
It spoiled your moment? I guess you forgot two people play the match, one lost and one won. For Federer it evidently meant more. For Nadal it doesn't matter he can play for another few years at full (or better) health. He will play atleast 12 more grandslams.

For Federer every loss brings him a barrage of haters, a barrage of "he should retire!" and a media journo's giving him pressure. Every loss brings "Federer can't beat Nadal". "Federer too old". "Federer won't break record". "Federer isn't GOAT". To be honest I would cry every time I lost if there was that kind of pressure.

About spoiling my moment, well, was some kind of a joke, but really it was difficult to celebrate anything with a guy crying like a baby just looking at the trophy and sobbing.

Federer has been a crusher of dreams for so many players, that it's absurd to be compassionate about him yesterday. And sorry but you think Nadal will play only 12 more slams? and Federer less? you're very wrong, Roger still has about 20 chances to win, specially Wimbledon and USO. Very likely, in four years he will still be able to reach finals, being 31, and Nadal will have much more trouble.

About pressure... please! all the world is licking his ass! This guy can fart and everybody would say he's better than Mozart! His pee can be bottled and sold for $500 a bottle! He's JesusFed, the GOAT!

Nadal is the one with pressure everyday: he has been called a claycourter, onedimensional, will get injured, has no class, picks ass, makes excuses, likely a doper, a cheater, delays serve... he is the most hated player in this board, and outside too. Yet he's the top sportsman, an example for everyone, and don't forget it, much younger.

FedFan_2007
02-02-2009, 10:16 PM
About spoiling my moment, well, was some kind of a joke, but really it was difficult to celebrate anything with a guy crying like a baby just looking at the trophy and sobbing.

Federer has been a crusher of dreams for so many players, that it's absurd to be compassionate about him yesterday. And sorry but you think Nadal will play only 12 more slams? and Federer how many? you're very wrong, Roger still has about 20 chances to win, specially Wimbledon and USO. Very likely, in four years he will still be able to reach finals, being 31, and Nadal will have much more trouble.

Ah, so by that logic every time Rafa loses in a GS final I will stomp on the man, kick him while he's down because "crushers of dreams" deserve no compassion. :yeah: Thanks for showing me "the light". :yeah:

jcreback
02-02-2009, 10:20 PM
About spoiling my moment, well, was some kind of a joke, but really it was difficult to celebrate anything with a guy crying like a baby just looking at the trophy and sobbing.

Federer has been a crusher of dreams for so many players, that it's absurd to be compassionate about him yesterday. And sorry but you think Nadal will play only 12 more slams? and Federer how many? you're very wrong, Roger still has about 20 chances to win, specially Wimbledon and USO. Very likely, in four years he will still be able to reach finals, being 31, and Nadal will have much more trouble.

If it is a good rivalry, you should enjoy it even more as a Nadal supporter. I would love to see my rival crying because I beat him. Even as a fan, if I see a fan or player from the other team crying, I love it even more.

Minerva
02-02-2009, 10:56 PM
I would love to see my rival crying because I beat him. Even as a fan, if I see a fan or player from the other team crying, I love it even more.

You have a point here. That is why, though I don't doubt that Nadal was trying to do the right thing when he was comforting Federer, I'm sure Nadal had to be enjoying that moment. I would!

jcreback
02-02-2009, 10:57 PM
You have a point here. That is why, though I don't doubt that Nadal was trying to do the right thing when he was comforting Federer, I'm sure Nadal had to be enjoying that moment. I would!

Oh yeah, not necessarily on Nadal's end. But if I was a Nadal fan and saw Fed cry like that, I would be laughing my ass of and loving it, not feeling like it ruined Nadal's moment.

Nadal had to be thinking at that moment, "He is mine. I own him"