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Is this the end of nadal's dominance of clay?

PiggyGotRoasted
02-01-2009, 04:41 PM
Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

:wavey:

SheepleBuster
02-01-2009, 05:23 PM
Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

:wavey:

The only two guys that I can see ever challenging Nadal on clay are Del Potro and Monfils. And that's a big if. Del Potro was actually close to taking a set off Nadal last year (he choked when serving for it), but he is a different player this year. I know Nadal fans want to believe Rafa is God but there will be someone who will come and beat Rafa just like Rafa is doing it to Roger.

MacTheKnife
02-01-2009, 05:29 PM
I know Nadal fans want to believe Rafa is God but there will be someone who will come and beat Rafa just like Rafa is doing it to Roger.

Exactly ! It happens to all of them sooner or later. That's why these guys really need to enjoy their time at the top. In the overall scheme of things, it really doesn't last that long.

kyleskywalker007
02-01-2009, 05:30 PM
Actually, it has to happen someday. A fluke loss can happen to every ingle person. So ,if it's not this year, it will be next, I think.

Johnny Groove
02-01-2009, 05:32 PM
So when Nadal loses on hardcourt, people predict his clay demise, but when he wins a hardcourt slam...people still predict his clay demise :lol:

Realistically, he won't have trouble defending RG. Wimbledon will be interesting, though

SheepleBuster
02-01-2009, 05:33 PM
And let's not forget that Rafa is giving 120% for every match. His life span (playing time at the top) will be shorter. I think Rafa will be a factor for at least 4 more years but winning 2 slams a year? I don't know. If he starts losing at RG, all the aura he has right now will be gone. Similar to what he did to Roger.

marcRD
02-01-2009, 06:29 PM
Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

:wavey:

Wishful thinking.

I still am waiting to see Fit Dave eat Nadal up on clay. Nalbandian is the only player I have seen who is really looking forward everytime to each moonball forehand to his backhand, I mean it is just one hell of a bad matchup for Nadal. But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.

finishingmove
02-01-2009, 06:29 PM
yup, it's all over for rafa now.

sirwilliam
02-01-2009, 06:36 PM
I agree completely, there is no doubt that Roger will finally pull off the RG upset this year, completing his Grand Slam and proving once and for all that he is THE definitive Greatest Of All Time.

Of course Rafa may steal the US Open sooner or later to equal Rog's GS but he'd still have years of winning slams to ever come close to Roger's overall record.

will

Chair Umpire
02-01-2009, 06:39 PM
But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

jenanun
02-01-2009, 06:42 PM
of course. playing good on hard means bad on clay. look at federer.
and now federer playing bad on hard so must be good on clay!

what a logic! so good federer for your 14th in RG! nadal is over!

ImmzB
02-01-2009, 06:45 PM
Nadal will win Roland Garros with no trouble!!

HES JUST 2 GOOD ON CLAY ON CLAY!!

Wanna see his schedule for the Clay season!

Hope he doesnt play 4 clay tournaments b4 French Open and just play the 3!

NO WAY NADAL WILL LOOSE HIS FRENCH OPEN TITLE!!

sirwilliam
02-01-2009, 06:52 PM
of course. playing good on hard means bad on clay. look at federer.
and now federer playing bad on hard so must be good on clay!



Exactly! A winning game on one just doesn't work on the other.

will

Sarni89
02-01-2009, 07:17 PM
Nadal is a typical dirtballer, growing up in a Spanish tennis culture, he practically grew up on clay as the only surface that mattered. Not to mention, physically he's best suited for that surface, and will end up losing his grip on the hard courts before he loses his "clay king" status. Hard courts are harder on his ankles and knees, already taking a beating now at 22, add to the fact his style of playing is hard enough on his body as it is. He will hold on to his clay titles longer than the HC ones, makes more sense to me.

adee-gee
02-01-2009, 07:26 PM
Interesting logic from the thread starter :lol: the only way Rafa is losing at RG in the next 3 years is because of injury.
Wishful thinking.

I still am waiting to see Fit Dave eat Nadal up on clay. Nalbandian is the only player I have seen who is really looking forward everytime to each moonball forehand to his backhand, I mean it is just one hell of a bad matchup for Nadal. But I dont think we will ever see a Fit Dave again on court, he is just too depressed after Davis Cup last year and that takes alot of eating to make the pain go away.
Nalbandian wouldn't win more than 8 games against Nadal on a clay court. Hope this helps.

safinafan
02-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Yes he has just won the australian open, and this is not a nadal hater thread but I just get the feeling now that he will get to RG and will finally suffer an unexpected loss to someone you wouldnt expect him to but will be his rival at RG over the next few years and will be an awful match up for nadal?

Why do I think this?

Because Nadal finally has changed his game for hard courts, he is still moonballing though.
One thing however is he is vunerable at RG this year, because he will be used to playing on hard courts, he will have to lose sometime and someone else will come along and beat him because they are a bad matchup for him. They will probably be a lefty, or have a big (Gaudioesque) backhand down the line if they are a righty.

:wavey:

:rolleyes:
Bullshit

ys
02-01-2009, 07:40 PM
Actually, something like this did happen.. The closest Nadal's equivalent from recent game - Muster - was owning clay just as much as Rafa does, but being repeatedly labeled a one-trick-poney he made a huge effort to change his game to become more efficient on hardcourts. As a result he pretty much lost his clay dominance..

Chloe le Bopper
02-01-2009, 07:41 PM
lol.

Sad.

casabe
02-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Nalbandian wouldn't win more than 8 games against Nadal on a clay court. Hope this helps.

yeah...he will be winning 60 20 and then he will retired from an injury.
really..nalbandian is a bad matchup for nadal in all the surfaces. He hasnt won more than 8 games in two matches against him.

Chris Seahorse
02-01-2009, 08:36 PM
Actually, something like this did happen.. The closest Nadal's equivalent from recent game - Muster - was owning clay just as much as Rafa does, but being repeatedly labeled a one-trick-poney he made a huge effort to change his game to become more efficient on hardcourts. As a result he pretty much lost his clay dominance..

That did indeed happen to Thomas Muster. The thing is at the time he was 30 years old, not 22.

It is pretty common actually that players who early in their careers specialise on clay gradually get better on other surfaces. Often as they get older these players find they are more comfortable on fast surfaces than they are on clay. As a player gets older they develop improved raquet skills but their ability to run down point after point on the baseline diminishes. But this happens to a player in their late 20's not at 22. I can actually see a time when Nadal is better on fast surfaces than he is on clay. But we are talking at least 5 and maybe more years down the road.

fred perry
02-01-2009, 08:53 PM
how accurate have these "feelings" of yours been in the past? :rolleyes:

amonb
02-01-2009, 09:31 PM
I agree completely, there is no doubt that Roger will finally pull off the RG upset this year, completing his Grand Slam and proving once and for all that he is THE definitive Greatest Of All Time.

Of course Rafa may steal the US Open sooner or later to equal Rog's GS but he'd still have years of winning slams to ever come close to Roger's overall record.

will

What a crock of shite. Fed won't even make the final!!!!! I tip nadal to reach 14 slams before fed does!!!!

moon language
02-01-2009, 10:51 PM
Only one thing is for sure, someone is going to start this same thread every year until it finally happens.

Chair Umpire
02-02-2009, 01:06 AM
yeah...he will be winning 60 20 and then he will retired from an injury.
really..nalbandian is a bad matchup for nadal in all the surfaces. He hasnt won more than 8 games in two matches against him.

Nabaldian has won Nadal twice, and both victories were in 2007, which was a shitty year for Rafa.

You guys must be dreaming is you really belive Fat Dave can defeat Rafa again in his current form.:rolleyes:

nadal is gonna get hurt at some point hopefully

PATHETIC. :lol:

swebright
02-02-2009, 01:08 AM
Vardasco will beat him at FO??

SaFed2005
02-02-2009, 01:45 AM
If anything he got a fairly good shot at the calendar grand slam this year. French Open is in the bag... they should just give him the trohphy and let everyone else fight for the runner up spot. He got a great shot at wimbledon. USO will be the hardest but if he gets a descent draw and makes the final to play Federer in the final. Then the USO is in the bag for him. Federer's mentality vs Nadal is beyond questionable at this point.

SaFed2005
02-02-2009, 01:50 AM
Nabaldian has won Nadal twice, and both victories were in 2007, which was a shitty year for Rafa.

You guys must be dreaming is you really belive Fat Dave can defeat Rafa again in his current form.:rolleyes:



PATHETIC. :lol:

I actually got to agree that Nalbandian in a good form is a bad matchup for Nadal. I think Nalb in a good form is one of Nadals biggest threat on clay even at the french open. Nadal has yet to play Nalb in a grandslam. I would love to see how that match would go. Any grandslam, I dont really care. Nalb can take the ball really early, has a great 2 handed Bh that can even break down nadals great FH. On top of these 2 things nalbandian can REALLLLLY and i reallly punish Nadals 2nd serve unlike Mr. Federer.

thrust
02-02-2009, 02:07 AM
The only two guys that I can see ever challenging Nadal on clay are Del Potro and Monfils. And that's a big if. Del Potro was actually close to taking a set off Nadal last year (he choked when serving for it), but he is a different player this year. I know Nadal fans want to believe Rafa is God but there will be someone who will come and beat Rafa just like Rafa is doing it to Roger.

Nadal is now an all court surface player, who in his prime, will continue to dominate on clay. Two players who will never seriously challenge Rafa on clay are, Del Potro and Monfils.

rafa_maniac
02-02-2009, 02:09 AM
Absolutely :retard:

thrust
02-02-2009, 02:10 AM
I actually got to agree that Nalbandian in a good form is a bad matchup for Nadal. I think Nalb in a good form is one of Nadals biggest threat on clay even at the french open. Nadal has yet to play Nalb in a grandslam. I would love to see how that match would go. Any grandslam, I dont really care. Nalb can take the ball really early, has a great 2 handed Bh that can even break down nadals great FH. On top of these 2 things nalbandian can REALLLLLY and i reallly punish Nadals 2nd serve unlike Mr. Federer.

Nalbandian is the Mary Pierce of Men's tennis He has one or two great tournaments a year. He will never beat Nadal in a Slam, sorry!

RagingLamb
02-02-2009, 02:37 AM
Yup, he's finished on clay.

Laba
02-02-2009, 02:44 AM
This thread makes no sense, mate.

One word answer; no.

You think he'll be too accustomed to playing on hard courts that it will be his downfall on clay? Hmm... you do realize that he'll have a DC tie against Serbia on the dirt (I'm assuming Spain picks the surface) along with Monte Carlo, Rome and Madrid for preparation, don't you?

BackhandMissile
02-02-2009, 07:01 AM
One thing is for sure. If Nadal does suffer a surprise defeat at RG, then this is THE golden chance for Federer to complete his collection and it will do wonders for his confidence.

While he has lost to a few players outside of GS tournaments, only Nadal has really challenged him in GS's (with the exception of Djokovic last year).

Like he said, GS's are a different animal, and the same players who may beat him in other tournaments can't (yet) handle the mental pressure of the big stage.

Federer remains a favourite against anyone at a Grand Slam (except Nadal), on any of the three surfaces.

jenanun
02-02-2009, 07:07 AM
hell no. that means his ranking will drop to 4. (djokovic no.2 and murray no.3? no no no way!)
with bad luck federer may land on nadal side's of the draw and meet in sf...

SO he will do whatever he can to keep his no.2 and hopefully someone will take nadal out before final in wimbledon....

Action Jackson
04-04-2009, 10:08 AM
No.

pica_pica
04-04-2009, 10:36 AM
Stupid thread.
Can't be more excited about clay season.
I'm sure Rafa will still dominate, but I will keep an eye on Nole, Murray, Monfils and Delpo.
My sixth sense tells me that Nole will do well again on clay like last year, or even better.
Murray...wants to know how much he can improve on clay. He has the game, and he has a coach for clay season.
Monfils showed himself up last year.
Delpo has new confidence found and I think he's good on clay?

heya
04-04-2009, 10:53 AM
Federer losing and depending on his subordinate child to come
to his beck and call, will only make Nadal and Roddick feel happy again.

Nathaliia
04-04-2009, 10:58 AM
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/tell-me-when-its-over.jpg

Bazooka
04-04-2009, 11:06 AM
Silly thread.

The fact that he's achieved his best results ever in his worst surface means he will be stronger than ever in clay.

He has adapted his game? sure, but in no way it will hurt his clay game. He has improved serve, and has a more aggressive BH. His forehand and legs are the same, and he's simply better than ever mentally. The only two that can defeat him on clay for sure are injury and illness.

Del Potro? Ballbashers are not good in clay. Nalbandian? could only take him indoors, if he can't take him in IW, keep dreaming about RG.

Murray and Djokovic are more serious menaces, if they are at 100% and for some reason Nadal isn't. Those have a chance.

Roger? ... for his own good, I hope he doesn't reach a final with Rafa again, enough said.

Venle
04-04-2009, 11:28 AM
Yes please. I mean, Rafa is good but I want someone else to win, too. FO is getting dull. Last year proved it.

sammy01
04-04-2009, 11:35 AM
not really seeing the thread starters point. nadal right now has no challengers on clay and no one looking likely. i forget what year it was rafa took fed to 5 sets in miami (or was it IW?) and that was the 1st sign rafa would challenge fed or overtake him. nadal hasn't even been pushed at RG, no close encounters, even if there was someone pushing him now like rafa did to fed all those years ago, it would still be a couple of years before said player was both confident and good enough to pull off the win.

of course a suprise loss can happen, but of any player on any surface at any tournament, i would pick nadal at the french as least likely to suffer a 'suprise' loss.

NadalSharapova
04-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Nadal has never even been challenged in his 4 years at Roland Garros, now he's a better player than ever so will defend it with ease. The question is will he drop a set? I don't think he will.