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Nadal's once chance at immortality

FedFan_2007
01-29-2009, 10:34 PM
If he wins 3 slams in 2009/2010 he would have won 11 out his first 27 equaling Borg's career mark. If he wins 7 out of the 8, then 12/27 would make him GOAT.

MalwareDie
01-29-2009, 10:38 PM
... Mugboar will fall flat on his face. And winning slams was more difficult during Borg's time and nothing Mugdull does will ever compare to what Borg has done.

Henry Kaspar
01-29-2009, 10:42 PM
Five consecutive Coupes des Mousquetaires (FO titles) would also make him immortal.

Andi-M
01-29-2009, 10:46 PM
I have often wondered why Nadal is never talked of as a potential GOAT.

He could do it over the next 5-6 years or so, but 7/8 next slams. Not a chance.

Mansave_75
01-29-2009, 10:48 PM
He will prove this year his immortality, I think he could possibly win 2-3 GS titles this same year. He can sum to his credit 7-8 GS at the end of 2009; And He's ONLY 22!
Let's wait and see.

FedFan_2007
01-29-2009, 10:58 PM
Mansave - if he wins 3 GS this year he'll do it after turning 23.

GlennMirnyi
01-29-2009, 10:59 PM
He's already the GMOAT.

Mansave_75
01-29-2009, 11:06 PM
Mansave - if he wins 3 GS this year he'll do it after turning 23.
I meant he's right now 22, on june he will be 23.
BTW I'd like to have a comparative between both Rafa and Federer at this same stage, who had more GS titles? I'm so curious about that.
At the age 22 and half how many Slams Federer had?
Thanks in advance.
:worship:

duong
01-29-2009, 11:10 PM
I meant he's right now 22, on june he will be 23.
BTW I'd like to have a comparative between both Rafa and Federer at this same stage, who had more GS titles? I'm so curious about that.
At the age 22 and half how many Slams Federer had?
Thanks in advance.
:worship:


it's easy : just two.

Yes Nadal is tremendous.

But Wilander also had more than Federer at the same age.

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2009, 11:14 PM
I don't think Nadal will be able to continue playing his current style of tennis for long enough to get enough slams to be compared with Sampras and Federer in the minds of most people. I think at some point he will need to adjust his game to one that is less demanding on his body. Sampras was able to do that. As he got older he moved from an all court player to a pure serve and volleyer, and that added several more years and slams to his career. I'm not saying that Nadal needs to become a serve and volleyer, but I'd like to see him start trying to end points sooner.

adee-gee
01-29-2009, 11:17 PM
I don't think Nadal will be able to continue playing his current style of tennis for long enough to get enough slams to be compared with Sampras and Federer in the minds of most people. I think at some point he will need to adjust his game to one that is less demanding on his body. Sampras was able to do that. As he got older he moved from an all court player to a pure serve and volleyer, and that added several more years and slams to his career. I'm not saying that Nadal needs to become a serve and volleyer, but I'd like to see him start trying to end points sooner.
Spot on.

He hasn't really got a big enough serve to have a huge career, when he starts losing a yard in his step he's in trouble. He's hitting more forehand winners than ever at the moment, but it won't be enough when he slows down and can't rely on a big serve to get him cheap points. I certainly don't see him at the top of the game when he reaches 30 or so if his knees have held out until then.

duong
01-29-2009, 11:18 PM
I meant he's right now 22, on june he will be 23.
BTW I'd like to have a comparative between both Rafa and Federer at this same stage, who had more GS titles? I'm so curious about that.
At the age 22 and half how many Slams Federer had?
Thanks in advance.
:worship:

Actually Federer had 2 (just won the Aus open 2004)

Borg had 6 (Nadal 5, maybe 6 on sunday), Sampras, McEnroe, Becker and Wilander 4, Connors, Courier and Edberg 3, Hewitt 2, Agassi 1 ... Lendl 0 :rolleyes:

Fedex
01-29-2009, 11:20 PM
I have often wondered why Nadal is never talked of as a potential GOAT.



Because he has only won one Grand Slam title outside of Paris... that's why.

duong
01-29-2009, 11:20 PM
I don't think Nadal will be able to continue playing his current style of tennis for long enough to get enough slams to be compared with Sampras and Federer in the minds of most people. I think at some point he will need to adjust his game to one that is less demanding on his body. Sampras was able to do that. As he got older he moved from an all court player to a pure serve and volleyer, and that added several more years and slams to his career. I'm not saying that Nadal needs to become a serve and volleyer, but I'd like to see him start trying to end points sooner.

in other words you can also say that Sampras was a king of aces when he won his final slams :rolleyes:

ORGASMATRON
01-29-2009, 11:21 PM
All i can say is if Roger wins the AO its over for Rafa being a goat. It will then be 14-5, with Roger out of the slump and wil win at least 16 slams in total. This will be impossible for Mugdull to even come close to. Besides Rafa will inevitably burn out.

Mansave_75
01-29-2009, 11:22 PM
it's easy : only one.

Yes Nadal is tremendous.

But Wilander also had more than Federer at the same age.

Thanks a lot!.
So at the age of 22 and half, Roger only took 1 Slam, Wimbledon '03.
As I Nadal fan I'm agree with some people about his endurance, or sport longevity, as I don't see Rafa playing at 30 or more.
So he'll have so difficult trying to reach the GOAT 12-14 Slams in his entire career; but it's not imposible too.
With Rafa you never know...;)

duong
01-29-2009, 11:27 PM
Even if Nadal doesn't become a server-volleyer :lol:,

if Nadal is able to imitate Lendl, he will still win 2 grand slams in ... 2013.

if Nadal is able to imitate Connors, he will win 2 grand slams in ... 2016 :lol:

But if he is like Wilander, he will not win any grand slams after next year :lol:

duong
01-29-2009, 11:29 PM
Thanks a lot!.
So at the age of 22 and half, Roger only took 1 Slam, Wimbledon '03.
As I Nadal fan I'm agree with some people about his endurance, or sport longevity, as I don't see Rafa playing at 30 or more.
So he'll have so difficult trying to reach the GOAT 12-14 Slams in his entire career; but it's not imposible too.
With Rafa you never know...;)

Yes of course Rafa is able to do that, no doubt.

But I had made a mistake : Roger had just won his second one at Nadal's age :D

Mansave_75
01-29-2009, 11:33 PM
Yes of course Rafa is able to do that, no doubt.

But I had made a mistake : Roger had just won his second one at Nadal's age :D

Thanks again for updating your info. :worship:
So Roger had 2 Slams at this same stage...Rafa can have 6 on next sunday, let's keep our fingers crossed. ;)
That gives him a chance of becoming the new GOAT. :)

Quadruple Tree
01-29-2009, 11:33 PM
in other words you can also say that Sampras was a king of aces when he won his final slams :rolleyes:

Even if he was, the serve is still part of the game, so I don't really see a problem with a guy using his biggest weapon to win matches. That is like disparaging Nadal by calling him a king of topspin. However, what you say is wrong. I guess you missed the and volley part of serve and volley. Sampras had some of the greatest touch volleys in the history of the game. It is unfortunate that you are unable to appreciate the skill and instinct involved of a great net player like Sampras. That is your loss, though.

General Suburbia
01-29-2009, 11:33 PM
He's already the GMOAT.
Grand Master Of All Time.

ORGASMATRON
01-29-2009, 11:39 PM
Grand Master Of All Time.

:lol: :yeah:

duong
01-29-2009, 11:43 PM
Even if he was, the serve is still part of the game, so I don't really see a problem with a guy using his biggest weapon to win matches. That is like disparaging Nadal by calling him a king of topspin. However, what you say is wrong. I guess you missed the and volley part of serve and volley. Sampras had some of the greatest touch volleys in the history of the game. It is unfortunate that you are unable to appreciate the skill and instinct involved of a great net player like Sampras. That is your loss, though.

What I mainly mean is that :

- this weapon is a huge advantage for a player when he gets older, because you don't lose that when you get older (even now Sampras serves greatly)

- this weapon has this great advantage that it's enough to make a point without playing any other shot ... which is not the case of topspin

- when I hear people speaking of a player who has a "great mental" because he saved many breakpoints, I remember that the greatest in that matter last year was Ivo Karlovic. Not sure he has the greatest mental of all. Probably means that it's easier mentally when you have such a weapon.

- Sampras was a great volleyer but I remember his final matches and I wonder if there weren't more aces than volleys ... it was incredible.

No I didn't appreciate much the time of "kings of aces", I have to admit.
But I appreciated a lot their "and volley" part : problem was that I couldn't see much of it when it was Ivanisevic or Forget for instance.

And look who were my favorite players. You will understand that I can appreciate volleys :lol:

GlennMirnyi
01-29-2009, 11:46 PM
Grand Master Of All Time.

Greatest moonballer of all time.

MisterQ
01-29-2009, 11:47 PM
I've generally thought of 6 majors as the lower limit of "The Greats" -- probably because Becker and Edberg each won 6. It's a random number, admittedly, but winning this title in Australia would cement Nadal in this company for me.

leng jai
01-29-2009, 11:49 PM
5 slams = clowny mug or muggy clown.

MalwareDie
01-29-2009, 11:57 PM
5 slams = clowny mug or muggy clown.

Or muggy clown of a mug

GlennMirnyi
01-30-2009, 12:03 AM
Or muggity mug clown of a muggity muggy mug.

BlueSwan
01-30-2009, 07:17 AM
Posters on MTF have been talking about Nadal burning out due to his playing style since 2005. So far he has only gotten better for each passing year. Also he HAS changed his game. He now relies far less on his defensive skills and finishes off points much sooner than he used to. The days of three hour best of three set Nadal matches are over.

Face it - Nadal is here to stay. Sure history tells us that players who break through at an early age also burn out sooner and that MIGHT happen to Nadal as well. But it's not happening anytime soon. He probably won't get anywhere near Federers tally of Grand Slam titles, but he'll definitely set the record for most Masters titles (especially since Federer seem incapable of winning Masters titles at the moment) and he'll end up with at least 10 slams, as well as the title as the undisputed clay court GOAT.

Mimi
01-30-2009, 07:26 AM
i never have that high expectation for him, actually many of the posters said his 2005 FO would be his only slam ;), now he has 5 which includes the biggest prize wimby, I was satisfied, i won't be unrealistic to think he could win 14 given his injury-phrone body, if he just wins 2-3 more to equal the great Lendi/Agassi/Mcenroe/Boris/Edberg, I would be very pleased :cool:

rafa_maniac
01-30-2009, 07:32 AM
I agree with Mimi, I don't expect Rafa to contend for GOAT status or win the most slams ever, and I don't care. I'd be happy with Agassi levels, 8-9 Slams, which is what I conservatively expect of him, though I hope he reaches double figures. A year ago I only wanted two things, for Rafa to win Wimbledon, and for him to reach #1 at least once. He did both (and won Olympic Gold!), I'm forever satisfied, and everything else that comes his way is a wonderful bonus. I would really like to see him get at least one HC slam in his career though.

opeth84
01-30-2009, 07:46 AM
It's amazing how much time the haters have for Nadal threads. You would think you would have something better to do with yur time but maybe not:p

I really don't beleive Nadal has a chance of going down as the greatest of all time either.But stupid comments about mug era and Borgs era had much better competition is all garbage. If tennis is in such a bad state then why do u whingers keep watching?

Mimi
01-30-2009, 07:52 AM
great, I think the same as you, for me, the biggest prizes for tennis is that Wimby trophy and No.1 spot, now rafa got both, I can die peacefully :angel::p

I agree with Mimi, I don't expect Rafa to contend for GOAT status or win the most slams ever, and I don't care. I'd be happy with Agassi levels, 8-9 Slams, which is what I conservatively expect of him, though I hope he reaches double figures. A year ago I only wanted two things, for Rafa to win Wimbledon, and for him to reach #1 at least once. He did both (and won Olympic Gold!), I'm forever satisfied, and everything else that comes his way is a wonderful bonus. I would really like to see him get at least one HC slam in his career though.

Yves.
01-30-2009, 08:22 AM
Nadal will never win a hardcourt slam.

Mimi
01-30-2009, 08:37 AM
Life can never be perfect, even the GOAT Roger has yet to win French Open, so I will be ok if rafa never wins a hardcourt slam :angel:
Nadal will never win a hardcourt slam.

ClaudiuS
01-30-2009, 11:42 AM
Nadal has already made his entry into the history books by his French Open titles. He won't reach the number 12 in won Grand Slams but I think, but if he wins this French Open which most probably he will. He's going to get a vast recognition. 5 RG in a row.

ClaudiuS
01-30-2009, 11:45 AM
But in achievements like, won titles, GS finals,...weeks as Number 1, etc..Nadal will never pass Federer.

So Federer will be always a bigger name in the history books than Nadal, despite what the h2h says.

Thanos
01-30-2009, 11:45 AM
immortality :scratch: hes going to become a vampire??