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About Rafa's draw

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 08:29 PM
Rafa has had shitty opponents while Nando has disposed of AO 'favorite' Murray and the Tsongnator. Do you think that will cost Rafa or do you think Nando will be tired?

MalwareDie
01-28-2009, 08:31 PM
It will be in favor of Mugdull because his opponents are awful or were tired. Verdasco's draw was much harder but I am questioning his ability to win because Murray caught the flu right before the match against Melzer and Tsonga has been injured since the beginning of the Open, and yet he was still unable to beat both of them in straight sets.

Voo de Mar
01-28-2009, 08:33 PM
That's the benefit of being at the Top, you can't play against the best opponents until QF or SF :shrug: Nadal was lucky with first two round jokes though. Rochus and Karanusic are completely useless on this level, Rochus especially against players like Rafa, at least he was in the last 16 in 2000 in contrary to Karanusic :o

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 08:34 PM
It will be in favor of Mugdull because his opponents are awful or were tired. Verdasco's draw was much harder but I am questioning his ability to win because Murray caught the flu right before the match against Melzer and Tsonga has been injured since the beginning of the Open, and yet he was still unable to beat both of them in straight sets.

Mugdull :haha:

MalwareDie
01-28-2009, 08:39 PM
That's the benefit of being at the Top, you can't play against the best opponents until QF or SF :shrug:Ranking isn't everything because a player can be high ranked with a lot of luck. Berdych is an underrated player who would have knocked out any of other top eight seeds had he been in a different portion of the draw.

Nadal was lucky with first two round jokes though.

Mugdull's whole draw was a joke. Rochus, Karanusic, Hass, a tired Gonzalez, and Simon are not that hard to beat.

Voo de Mar
01-28-2009, 08:42 PM
Haas, Gonzalez and Simon at least are players with good results in important tournaments. But I'm sick of matches Nadal vs. Rochus/Karanusic. I didn't even watch it, it's a waste of time if you're not a Nadal fan :o

Henry Kaspar
01-28-2009, 08:54 PM
It will be in favor of Mugdull because his opponents are awful or were tired.

Ohohoooo, someone is covering his bases.... :lol:

It so happens that the #1 seed tends to have an easier draw than the # 14 seed. This is why there are seeding lists.

Henry Kaspar
01-28-2009, 08:55 PM
.... and Simon are not that hard to beat.

Maybe Roger Federer has a comment on this one, or two.

Chair Umpire
01-28-2009, 09:00 PM
Oh lord, whining already?

marcRD
01-28-2009, 09:07 PM
Rafas draw was not easy to begin with but just opened up for him. He hasnt faced any power player yet which is kind of strange at this stage in a grand slam. This is his chanse I would say, but then I said the same in USOPEN when he was beaten by Youzhny 2006 and in AO 2008 when Tsonga just beat the crap out of him.

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 09:08 PM
No, Rafa should be whining.

Johnny Groove
01-28-2009, 09:09 PM
Fedtards :baby:

Chair Umpire
01-28-2009, 09:10 PM
why he should be whining? After all he has had the easiest draw, isn't it? :rolleyes:

FedFan
01-28-2009, 09:16 PM
A round robin system would guarantee fairer draws in my eyes, though I know it is not easy to realize and maybe not very attractive during the group qualification.

But it could compensate bad luck and once the group is completed there would be highly competitive matches with all the in-form players.

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 09:17 PM
Cos Roger is going to tear him apart in the finals, thats if he gets there :lol:

Matt01
01-28-2009, 09:28 PM
Cos Roger is going to tear him apart in the finals, thats if he gets there :lol:


A a Fedtard one would think that you know the H2H between Roger and Rafa :confused:

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 09:32 PM
A a Fedtard one would think that you know the H2H between Roger and Rafa :confused:

Oh please im so tired of this silly argument. Roger leads Rafa on both hard and grass h2h, IOW he wins the battle of surfaces. Its only on clay where Mugdull with his moonballing got the better of Roger. Who gives a shit about that. 13>5.

Matt01
01-28-2009, 09:36 PM
Oh please im so tired of this silly argument. Roger leads Rafa on both hard and grass h2h, IOW he wins the battle of surfaces. Its only on clay where Mugdull with his moonballing got the better of Roger. Who gives a shit about that. 13>5.


LOL...I know it must be hard for you that Rafa kicked Roger's ass in two Slam finals last year and so many other times...but that doesn't mean that you should switch off your brain. The numbers are clear and don't lie :wavey:

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 09:45 PM
LOL...I know it must be hard for you that Rafa kicked Roger's ass in two Slam finals last year and so many other times...but that doesn't mean that you should switch off your brain. The numbers are clear and don't lie :wavey:

I dont see how i am lying. See for yourself http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=nadal&player2=federer

I really hope Rafa wins his semi so Roger can but Rafa in his place once and for all.

Foxy
01-28-2009, 09:46 PM
Oh please im so tired of this silly argument. Roger leads Rafa on both hard and grass h2h, IOW he wins the battle of surfaces. Its only on clay where Mugdull with his moonballing got the better of Roger. Who gives a shit about that. 13>5.

Rafa leads H2H on outdoor hard 2:1.

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 09:51 PM
Rafa leads H2H on outdoor hard 2:1.

Its still hard.

Foxy
01-28-2009, 09:55 PM
Its still hard.

AO is outdoors for the most part.

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 10:05 PM
AO is outdoors for the most part.

I know. Yet Rafa has been in 2 semi-finals when it comes to grand slams, while Roger has won 8.

Andi-M
01-28-2009, 10:09 PM
I dont see how i am lying. See for yourself http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=nadal&player2=federer

I really hope Roger wins his semi so Rafa can put Roger in his place once and for all.

Ahhh thats better.

Arkulari
01-28-2009, 10:12 PM
the one who got the easiest draw this year was Roddick, his biggest threat was Djoker in the QF, the rest he simply cruised ;)

both Roger and Rafa got some bad match-ups in their sides like Tsonga, Simon, Berdych ;)

Arkulari
01-28-2009, 10:14 PM
the one who got the easiest draw this year was Roddick, his biggest threat was Djoker in the QF, the rest he simply cruised ;)

both Roger and Rafa got some bad match-ups in their sides like Tsonga, Simon, Berdych ;)

RIboy
01-28-2009, 10:15 PM
Rafa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roger on clay
Rafa >>>>>>>> Roger on hard
Rafa >>>>>> Roger on grass
Roger >>>>>>>>>> Rafa in haircut

hope this helps

Clara Bow
01-28-2009, 10:21 PM
Simon are not that hard to beat.

I guess Nole, Roger and Rafa did not get that memo when they lost to him in 2008. :confused:

RedFury
01-28-2009, 10:29 PM
A round robin system would guarantee fairer draws in my eyes, though I know it is not easy to realize and maybe not very attractive during the group qualification.

But it could compensate bad luck and once the group is completed there would be highly competitive matches with all the in-form players.

It's not that "it is not easy to realize" but that it is rather impossible to do so.

Don't believe me? Try figuring out how many matches a player would have to play in a 64 man round robin and then, say, have the top four from each group go into single elimination -- they'd be there practically all year unless you plan to have then play around the clock.

SaFed2005
01-28-2009, 10:32 PM
I guess Nole, Roger and Rafa did not get that memo when they lost to him in 2008. :confused:

Beating them in slam is what counts and that has yet to happen.

Matt01
01-28-2009, 10:42 PM
I dont see how i am lying. See for yourself http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=nadal&player2=federer


Thanks. I don't care about wins in MM tounaments that happened lightyears ago. Last year they met 4 times and Roger won whopping 3 sets :hug:

thrust
01-28-2009, 10:47 PM
Oh please im so tired of this silly argument. Roger leads Rafa on both hard and grass h2h, IOW he wins the battle of surfaces. Its only on clay where Mugdull with his moonballing got the better of Roger. Who gives a shit about that. 13>5.

Roger does! Just like Agassi cared about his record against Sampras. Besides, Rafa had nothing to do with his draw.

Yves.
01-28-2009, 10:50 PM
This is not in favor of Nadal, he'll get overpowered by Verdasco, who has had a fantastic tournament :yeah:

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 10:52 PM
Roger does! Just like Agassi cared about his record against Sampras.

Sure he does but he cares more about being ahead in the batlle of surfaces.

Manila ESQ
01-28-2009, 10:58 PM
Wasn't there a thread before saying Rafa won't win because of the draw? The thread listed Rafa's possible opponents and concluded that he can't beat them.

Now, we see this thread...

FedFan_2007
01-28-2009, 11:07 PM
Cos Roger is going to tear him apart in the finals, thats if he gets there :lol:

Pretty much agree. Roger is going to rip apart anyone in the final.

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 11:12 PM
Pretty much agree. Roger is going to rip apart anyone in the final.

;)

Chair Umpire
01-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Wasn't there a thread before saying Rafa won't win because of the draw? The thread listed Rafa's possible opponents and concluded that he can't beat them.

Now, we see this thread...

Yep, I guess is this: Nadal's path to the title. (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=136766)

And here a "preview":

Nadal will be Haasinated, if he squeaks by then he will be Gonzaled in the 4th round! :banana:

Man, funny stuff from the Fedtards. :haha: :haha:

ORGASMATRON
01-28-2009, 11:35 PM
Yep, I guess is this: Nadal's path to the title. (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=136766)

And here a "preview":



Man, funny stuff from the Fedtards. :haha: :haha:

Thank God im not a Fedtard :o

Chair Umpire
01-28-2009, 11:44 PM
Sure, just a Fedtard would be able to post such an elaborated comment like these...

Well Rafa is Fed's achilles heel, its his one weakness. All superhero's have one weakness, didnt you know that?

Well at least Fed is a superhero, i'll take it

Besides you need an evil if theres going to be a good and thats where Rafa comes in. Oh yeah and dont forget the Djoker, seems Roger and Batman have something in common with after all.

...to explain Roger's H2H against Rafa. :haha: :haha:

superslam77
01-28-2009, 11:44 PM
dull to send mowgli shots to backhand then in the final to send mowgli shots to backhand again.

game over, someone please tell me a good betting house :help:

ORGASMATRON
01-29-2009, 12:07 AM
Sure, just a Fedtard would be able to post such an elaborated comment like these...





...to explain Roger's H2H against Rafa. :haha: :haha:

Yeah i remeber those, wernt they great?!

marcRD
01-29-2009, 05:45 AM
Let us say like this, Federer would not want to play Simon and Nadal prob wouldnt like to play Safin, Del Potro and Berdych (specialy Berdman).

rafa_maniac
01-29-2009, 05:59 AM
Wait... I thought there was no way Nadal was going to make the final with his "difficult" draw? :spit: Now that Rafa's made it look easy, I'm not surprised to see this thread :rolleyes: Gonzo WAS a tough 4th round opponent, not Rafa's fault the guy took 4+ hours to dispose of his third round opponent, and tired himself out (not that I think it would have made much difference to the result either way). Simon is a tough quarters opponent in anyone's book these days, or do you think Del Potro would have been a more adequate challenge? :tape: And Verdasco has been much more impressive in this tournament than Roddick :wavey:

marcRD
01-29-2009, 06:06 AM
Wait... I thought there was no way Nadal was going to make the final with his "difficult" draw? :spit: Now that Rafa's made it look easy, I'm not surprised to see this thread :rolleyes: Gonzo WAS a tough 4th round opponent, not Rafa's fault the guy took 4+ hours to dispose of his third round opponent, and tired himself out (not that I think it would have made much difference to the result either way). Simon is a tough quarters opponent in anyone's book these days, or do you think Del Potro would have been a more adequate challenge? :tape: And Verdasco has been much more impressive in this tournament than Roddick :wavey:

Ia agree with all you have said but cmon now, Gonzo had his whole legs bandaged after the 5 set marathon in the third round. Simon was though but didnt have the power of Monfils to beat Nadal, Verdasco is a good matchup for Nadal.

You must admit Nadal is a little lucky to face these players instead of Monfils, Tsonga and Murray. Other than that I dont consider Federers way to the final that much more impressive, except Birdman who really was on fire in that match.

rafa_maniac
01-29-2009, 06:14 AM
Ia agree with all you have said but cmon now, Gonzo had his whole legs bandaged after the 5 set marathon in the third round. Simon was though but didnt have the power of Monfils to beat Nadal, Verdasco is a good matchup for Nadal.

You must admit Nadal is a little lucky to face these players instead of Monfils, Tsonga and Murray. Other than that I dont consider Federers way to the final that much more impressive, except Birdman who really was on fire in that match.

What I mean is, Gonzo hasn't had the game to beat the "new" Nadal in a couple of years as witnessed by least year's Olympic final, so had Gonzalez had the fitness covered, I doubt it would have made much difference. After all, it was a relatively short three set match, and there was no obvious physical hinderance to Gonzalez in the first set or two, which he lost convincingly.