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Is it fair that in AO semifinals are on different day?

shawshank
01-28-2009, 05:12 PM
Aussie is the only GS where they play one semifinal on Thursday and one on Friday. Whay can't they do the same like in RG, Wimby (both friday)or US (both saturday)?
In such a tough conditions having one day more of rest before final might be a crucial factor on Sunday.
Roger vs Andy should be deffinitely played on Friday.

Xoman
01-28-2009, 05:19 PM
No, it is not fair. And you beat me to it. I was thinking of starting a thread about this.
I say that Roger vs Andy should be played on Friday. Otherwise the winner of that semifinal gets an slight advantadge.

But it doesn't matter. Nadal will win this GS regardless. :-)

safinafan
01-28-2009, 05:19 PM
This is good for Rafa and Verdasco, if Roger plays on friday and reachs the final he will be really tired (i hope so). :devil:

marcRD
01-28-2009, 05:30 PM
It is not fair, but at the same time it wouldnt have mattered for Federer or Roddick as much as it matters for Nadal to have 1 or 2 days of rest.

marcRD
01-28-2009, 05:31 PM
This is good for Rafa and Verdasco, if Roger plays on friday and reachs the final he will be really tired (i hope so). :devil:

Federer is never tired and he will play on thursday while Nadal will play on friday so please start complaining about "the incredible injustice against Nadal/Verdasco" instead of enjoying your good fortune.

groundstroke
01-28-2009, 05:46 PM
federer plays on thursday by the way

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7836077.stm

A_Skywalker
01-28-2009, 06:11 PM
Its not fair obviously, just like it wasnt fair in USO this year

madmanfool
01-28-2009, 06:19 PM
I don't see the problem. If Roger plays thursday he gets two days for the final. If he plays on friday he gets two days for his semifinal. Not much difference if you ask me?

Andi-M
01-28-2009, 06:26 PM
Its a granslam Roger always has to get extra time off before the final. i think its in the rules someowhere.

BlueSwan
01-28-2009, 06:33 PM
I think several players have stated in the past that having two days of rest disrupts their rhythm. You get into the rhythm of playing every other day. So basically you could make the argument either way.

But lets face it. This will be a final between Federer and Nadal. Neither of them will be tired on sunday. Even if Rafa has to play a 5 hour match against Verdasco (which he won't, he'll finish him in 3 or 4 sets), he'll be more than ready. Not only is he incredibly fit, but he has also used very little energy during this tournament, not losing a single set in the process.

Magus13
01-28-2009, 06:44 PM
Please dont be stupid. Feds half of the draw started a day earlier, thats why that half of the draw will get an extra day at some point in the tournament. Nadal's half had an extra day to to practice and aclimate to the courts before match play. If Nadal was second seed, he would be in that half. Been done like this every year. No one complains except tards on MTF. The US Open is much worse with finals the day after the semis. Wimmbledon has the second Sunday off which allows both halves of the draw to catch up. All four players left are in incredible shape and should not need the extra day. In the AO all semmis are early night matches and so is the the final. Enjoy and stop complaining.

El Legenda
01-28-2009, 08:08 PM
its fair. end of thread.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
01-28-2009, 09:46 PM
What nonsense. If you were talking about the US Open, you might have a point. But there is no advantage in having 2 days off rather than 1- could even be a disadvantage.

Diprosalic
01-29-2009, 10:37 AM
But there is no advantage in having 2 days off rather than 1- could even be a disadvantage.

i agree. especially if you are new to GS finals and you are nervous two days waiting and doing nothing could be tricky.

this is obviously not the case with federer but it might trow him off his usual rest/play schedule. he won't have a big fight against roddick so he doesn't need the extra day rest.

nkhera1
01-29-2009, 10:53 AM
The only place where the semis can be a bit unfair is the US Open where I don't understand why they play the semis the day before. The winner of friday's match will still get plenty of rest.

SaFed2005
01-29-2009, 10:57 AM
Its a granslam Roger always has to get extra time off before the final. i think its in the rules someowhere.

Yes its in the rulebook clearly just like the rulebook also requires Nadal to have a cakewalk draw every slam.

wilmar
01-29-2009, 11:19 AM
I don't see the problem. If Roger plays thursday he gets two days for the final. If he plays on friday he gets two days for his semifinal. Not much difference if you ask me?

There is a difference.

If Federer plays Friday, he may have an extra day between the Quarters and Semis. It is fair because Roddick has the same amount of rest. And importantly, this has no direct bearing on the other Semis because they won't play each other yet.

But now Federer plays Thursday, he will have an extra day as opposed to his Final's opponent from the Top half of the draw, resulting in different rest time between players for the Final. And this is not fair.

Of course some may claim this is making a mountain out of a molehill. Still, it is surely within the organisers' scope to make the appropriate scheduling. There are only so many matches left so stadium availability is not an issue. Also, isn't it illogical to have 3 (2 women + 1 men) semis on Thursday and only 1 on Friday?

Sebby
01-29-2009, 11:39 AM
No.

orangehat
01-29-2009, 11:42 AM
I don't see how people can make such big stories of such small issues. It's just a day, innit? If this is bad, look at other scheduling issues, e.g in the Premier League. It's a thousand times worse than here.

Bilbo
01-29-2009, 11:45 AM
no, but if so the #1 should have a day more rest and not the other way around imo. it's due to because they start with the 2nd half of the draw on the 1st day which is weird.

crude oil
01-29-2009, 11:46 AM
too much of a break for federer before the final...this not bode well imo

Ozon
01-29-2009, 12:08 PM
I would prefer both semifinals being played on Friday! Makes absolutely no sense, that there's only one single match tomorrow! But I think it's still better than the way it is done at the US Open. There I see a disadvantage for the second semifinal!

Athletics1982
01-29-2009, 12:20 PM
It's not fair, for example, now Federer advances to Final, he can see whole another semifinal match to find out how to deal with Nadal or Verdasco, but will Nadal see whole match to find out how to deal with Federer or Roddick? Nadal or Verdasco must find out how to win semifinal, but Federer can find out how to win finals, so it's advantenge to Federer

yavore
01-29-2009, 01:30 PM
Yes its in the rulebook clearly just like the rulebook also requires Nadal to have a cakewalk draw every slam.

It's actually the Fed's half of the draw which is usually childishly easy. If you can get out of your Fed:worship: condition for a minute, you wold notice that each and every time the slam draws are suspiciously gentle to the pampered swissmiss.

Of course it's very important for TV networks to satisfy people like you and have your beloved ones passing safely to the final;)

scarecrows
01-29-2009, 01:42 PM
I don't think it's fair but why the need to mention certain players when making this discussion? This happens every year in AO and it's not done to favour one player or one half of the draw. If Nadal and Federer made the final last year Nadal would have had 1 day more of rest

Henry Kaspar
01-29-2009, 04:16 PM
I guess statistical evidence would be useful as for how often the guy with the 2-day rest won compared to the guy with the one-day rest.

MalwareDie
01-29-2009, 04:26 PM
It's actually the Fed's half of the draw which is usually childishly easy. If you can get out of your Fed:worship: condition for a minute, you wold notice that each and every time the slam draws are suspiciously gentle to the pampered swissmiss.

Only delusional Mugboartards believe this. Nadal's draw was the easiest next to Roddick's.

scarecrows
01-29-2009, 04:48 PM
I guess statistical evidence would be useful as for how often the guy with the 2-day rest won compared to the guy with the one-day rest.

I checked the last 5

2005 and 2007 - Thursday semifinalist won the title (ie. Safin and Federer)
2004, 2006, 2008 - Friday semifinalist won (ie. Federer (2), Djokovic)

(dont know if in any of those editions both semifinals were on the same day :o)

Certinfy
01-29-2009, 05:34 PM
I checked the last 5

2005 and 2007 - Thursday semifinalist won the title (ie. Safin and Federer)
2004, 2006, 2008 - Friday semifinalist won (ie. Federer (2), Djokovic)

(dont know if in any of those editions both semifinals were on the same day :o)Lol nice!

So from that, Fed has already won the AU Open. lol

maki925
01-29-2009, 06:42 PM
No way!:mad:

bad gambler
01-29-2009, 07:04 PM
I appreciate that the second SF is scheduled at night purely from a ratings perspective but if they were going to play both SF's on different days, the second one should at least be played during the day.

Ivanatis
01-29-2009, 07:09 PM
With the day they got free before the final it's fine the way it is. With both semis held at night session there shouldn't be an impact on the finalists' freshness.

shawshank
01-29-2009, 07:14 PM
Only delusion Mugboartards believe this. Nadal's draw was the easiest next to Roddick's.

You must be joking! Do you really think that Safin, Berdych, Del Potro and Roddick are more diffuclt players than Haas, Gonzalez, Simon, Verdasco? You must be joking. Federer loves to play with all the opponents he had. So c'mon, that was a real cakewalk draw!!

MacTheKnife
01-29-2009, 07:23 PM
There's no equatable way to manage this unless they play both semis at the exact same time on different courts. This is the way tennis has been for years. But these guys are in their 20's for God sakes. A day or two's rest is plenty in either case. Only exception is if an injury occurs, but that's the case for any match format and is always a factor no matter how much rest there is.

shawshank
01-30-2009, 03:40 PM
OK. Now I know the answer.
It is pathetic that semifinals are on different day! Roger will have one day more to rest after easy 3-setter. And Rafa? I hate this thing in Australian Open. And somehow those kind of things always seems to favour lucky Fed.
I will post here what Verdasco said about it after match with Rafa:

No, but I think, for sure, the semifinals supposed to be the same day, both semifinals, because I think, you know, is the most fair for everybody, no? Because like right now, yesterday Federer play three sets, and today Rafa play five sets, five hours, and he will have one day less, and with a semifinal much longer.

I think that for sure they supposed to play the two semifinals like the womans, the same day. And I think also with two weeks, you have enough days to make the schedule right and have it like this.

But I don't know why they did it, no? I promise, I didn't know that Federer was playing yesterday. I thought that yesterday was playing only girls, and today two semifinals. When I saw that he was playing yesterday, I was a little bit in shock. I was like, Why he's playing one day before us? He will have much recover, and in the final he will have a little bit more of advantage because he had one day more.

I think this is one thing that for sure they need to change. If they hear me here, the guys from Australian Open, I'm so happy because I make semifinals here, and is my biggest tournament. But I think that for sure they need to make it better.

And I think if they put the two semifinals the same day, is gonna be more fair for everybody, for all the four players.

One more time- it is so unfair!

scarecrows
01-30-2009, 03:56 PM
I dont remember Djokovic fans complaining last year about this issue

Magus13
01-30-2009, 03:57 PM
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::baby::baby::baby:

Stop looking for excuses. Right now it is 3am in Australia. Lets say Nadal gets to sleep by 4am, sleeps 10 hours, wakes up at 2pm gets some food and treatment. Relaxes in the evening, either does nothing or has a light hit indoors or ouside at night for an hour, goes to bed by 12, wakes up at 10am, has breakfast, gets treatment, has an afternoon hitting session and plays the final at 7:30 pm. Plenty of rest, treatment and no excuses. If a world class athlete can't recover after a day off than he doesn't deserve it. This was Nadal's first five setter. He'll be fine Stop crying and bitching.

ORGASMATRON
01-30-2009, 03:59 PM
Well if this is the case then you have 2 days without men's singles play, which is of course completely unacceptable.

Aenea
01-30-2009, 04:03 PM
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::baby::baby::baby:

Stop looking for excuses. Right now it is 3am in Australia. Lets say Nadal gets to sleep by 4am, sleeps 10 hours, wakes up at 2pm gets some food and treatment. Relaxes in the evening, either does nothing or has a light hit indoors or ouside at night for an hour, goes to bed by 12, wakes up at 10am, has breakfast, gets treatment, has an afternoon hitting session and plays the final at 7:30 pm. Plenty of rest, treatment and no excuses. If a world class athlete can't recover after a day off than he doesn't deserve it. This was Nadal's first five setter. He'll be fine Stop crying and bitching.

:lol:


Would you say the same if the things were reversed and Federer were the one playing a 5 setter today and having less time to recover? I can imagine Fedtards bitching and whining if this was to happen :lol:

AsianSensation
01-30-2009, 04:04 PM
:bigcry::bigcry::bigcry::baby::baby::baby:

Stop looking for excuses. Right now it is 3am in Australia. Lets say Nadal gets to sleep by 4am, sleeps 10 hours, wakes up at 2pm gets some food and treatment. Relaxes in the evening, either does nothing or has a light hit indoors or ouside at night for an hour, goes to bed by 12, wakes up at 10am, has breakfast, gets treatment, has an afternoon hitting session and plays the final at 7:30 pm. Plenty of rest, treatment and no excuses. If a world class athlete can't recover after a day off than he doesn't deserve it. This was Nadal's first five setter. He'll be fine Stop crying and bitching.

Preach it! :worship: And Nadal looks as healthy as an ox, I see nothing to suggest he still has knee problems.

scarecrows
01-30-2009, 04:06 PM
I can imagine Fedtards bitching and whining if this was to happen :lol:

I'm sure they would, and they would be pathetic as well

zethand
01-30-2009, 04:21 PM
Why you care? Are you gonna bet? Then consider it, but if not, it is not your problem. It is Nadals problem, and he will deal with that...

swann
01-30-2009, 04:28 PM
It's not "bitching and whining", it's just not fair. I don't care that Nadal is 20 years old and he's supposed to recover in time, I don't care who is it in this situation (Nadal or Federer or Tsonga or whatever); why must a player have a day of rest in surplus? Just because it's good marketing and brings more money? It's so fucked up, the 2 players must have the same chances.

marcRD
01-30-2009, 04:31 PM
I remember in Rome 2006 Federer played 2 3 set matches in a row which both went to around 3 hours against Almagro and Nalbandian and then went on to play an epic 5 set match against Rafa in the final. First of all I dont think he was tired in the last set, neither that it had any effect on the outcome of that match but what I want to ask is why would fans of Nadal make a big deal out of this while Federer fans rarely make a big deal when Federer has to play many difficult matches in a row?

Andi-M
01-30-2009, 04:35 PM
Q. About Nadal having one day less to rest, don't you think that players should do something to avoid these problems all the time? At the US Open they play Saturday the semifinal before the final. Here they play one day, then the next. Don't you think you, as players, should start to do something?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: I will speak with them in next tournament (smiling).

No, but I think, for sure, the semifinals supposed to be the same day, both semifinals, because I think, you know, is the most fair for everybody, no? Because like right now, yesterday Federer play three sets, and today Rafa play five sets, five hours, and he will have one day less, and with a semifinal much longer.

I think that for sure they supposed to play the two semifinals like the womans, the same day. And I think also with two weeks, you have enough days to make the schedule right and have it like this.

But I don't know why they did it, no? I promise, I didn't know that Federer was playing yesterday. I thought that yesterday was playing only girls, and today two semifinals. When I saw that he was playing yesterday, I was a little bit in shock. I was like, Why he's playing one day before us? He will have much recover, and in the final he will have a little bit more of advantage because he had one day more.

So I don't know why they did it. And I think that, for sure, they need to change it.

nateyang
01-30-2009, 04:41 PM
I remember in Rome 2006 Federer played 2 3 set matches in a row which both went to around 3 hours against Almagro and Nalbandian and then went on to play an epic 5 set match against Rafa in the final. First of all I dont think he was tired in the last set, neither that it had any effect on the outcome of that match but what I want to ask is why would fans of Nadal make a big deal out of this while Federer fans rarely make a big deal when Federer has to play many difficult matches in a row?

Ok this is not point in the discussion here. In your case, Federer and Nadal were scheduled to play on the same day. How long they managed to win their match was up to them. There was no bias to any player, from the scheduling point of view. In the AO case, Federer has already had one more day of rest compared to Nadal, regardless of how they do in their semis.

marcRD
01-30-2009, 04:49 PM
Ok this is not point in the discussion here. In your case, Federer and Nadal were scheduled to play on the same day. How long they managed to win their match was up to them. There was no bias to any player, from the scheduling point of view. In the AO case, Federer has already had one more day of rest compared to Nadal, regardless of how they do in their semis.


Yes, but this has been done for ages in the australian open, last year Rafa would have had more rest than Federer and Tsonga really did have more rest than Djokovic but still couldnt win the tournament. This is the first year I hear so many people complain about it.

Art&Soul
01-30-2009, 04:55 PM
Yes, but this has been done for ages in the australian open, last year Rafa would have had more rest than Federer and Tsonga really did have more rest than Djokovic but still couldnt win the tournament. This is the first year I hear so many people complain about it.
Only Rafatards complain about it and tha't the excuses they will come up with if Nadull lost on Sunday :baby::baby::baby:

Modetopia
01-30-2009, 05:07 PM
I checked the last 5

2005 and 2007 - Thursday semifinalist won the title (ie. Safin and Federer)
2004, 2006, 2008 - Friday semifinalist won (ie. Federer (2), Djokovic)

(dont know if in any of those editions both semifinals were on the same day :o)
No one complain about this before even Djoktards, Rafatards:o

Beforehand
01-30-2009, 05:51 PM
I think I'd hear this as an issue if it were a "Day off and no day off." situation, but since having a day off is the standard, I think this is kind of a "meh" point for me. And again, having two days isn't always better necessarily. Maybe if you want to take five-and-a-quarter hours to get through a round...

TMJordan
01-30-2009, 05:52 PM
Everyone is out to get poor Raf :tears:

Magus13
01-30-2009, 05:53 PM
:lol:


Would you say the same if the things were reversed and Federer were the one playing a 5 setter today and having less time to recover? I can imagine Fedtards bitching and whining if this was to happen :lol:

If it was Fed I would say the same thing. I'm a Fed fan who respects Nadal. Fed has had his share of tough draws, difficult scheduling issues and I always say a player should man up. People who have real jobs in this economy are the ones who have it tough day in and day out. For these guys to have one or two days off isn't problem. Just because some fans say idiotic shit doesn't justify other fans when the say the same crap.

HarryMan
01-30-2009, 05:57 PM
Poor Rafito :awww:

Maybe if Nadull didn't run like an energized bunny, played less physical, he would be in a much better shape for the final.

5 hour on brutal hardcourts+his physical gamestyle+ semi going until over midnight+Federer getting one extra day = Nadull being toast for Fed on Sunday :awww:

uNIVERSE mAN
01-30-2009, 08:10 PM
I agree with most of the sentiments here, the scheduling has been like this forever and one tough match doesn't change anything. The real problem herein lies with Nadal's style. He seriously needs to adapt his gamestyle, for an 18-19 yr old to chase everything down and play like every point is match point against is all cute and dandy, but at this point in his career he needs to pick and choose his surges, turn it into Sampras mode, going all out all the time is not in the cards anymore, it's counterproductive for his career here on out, play the big points, conserve energy, and stop the 40-0 chasing down dropshots crap. It's a waste of energy.

Matt01
01-30-2009, 08:47 PM
Only Rafatards complain about it and tha't the excuses they will come up with if Nadull lost on Sunday :baby::baby::baby:


So Verdasco is a Rafatard, too? :p

decrepitude
01-30-2009, 08:47 PM
Nobody on this thread seems to have taken into account the fact that if both semi-finals were played on one day, one of them would have the disadvantage of playing in the ridiculous heat of the day. Or, if both matches were played at the same time (and I can see the TV companies loving that!) one would have the disadvantage of playing on Hisense with different conditions to where the final would be played.

decrepitude
01-30-2009, 08:53 PM
I'm sick of getting messages about the poxy server - sorry, that should read p r o x y server. On second thoughts, let the first one stand. . .

What on earth is wrong with MTF?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
01-30-2009, 09:11 PM
A lot of whining about how Federer has two days' break and poor Rafa will be tired after his long match. Well, duh. If you don't have anything to show beyond running and moonballing then of course you are going to have to grind out some long matches and of course you are going to be tired at the end of them. That has nothing to do with the schedule. A day's break is more than enough. The problem isn't the schedule, it's his style of play.

As for Federer, if he cannot win this final then he does not deserve to equal Sampras, ever. From what I have seen he is far superior to Nadal on this surface. For the first time in ages he has found his best form. And he is not up against the aggressive, free-hitting player who beat him at Wimbledon - he is up against a cheap moonballer. We all know what Nadal is going to try on Sunday (windmill cross-court F/H and hope for the short reply or error) but if Federer cannot handle this cheap nonsense by now he doesn't deserve to win anything.

valexie03
01-30-2009, 09:13 PM
Poor Rafito :awww:

Maybe if Nadull didn't run like an energized bunny, played less physical, he would be in a much better shape for the final.

5 hour on brutal hardcourts+his physical gamestyle+ semi going until over midnight+Federer getting one extra day = Nadull being toast for Fed on Sunday :awww:

:yeah:

KittyMac
01-30-2009, 09:19 PM
So Verdasco is a Rafatard, too? :p

Verdasco came across as a bit of an idiot here, feigning surprise that Federer was playing on the Thursday!! The side of the draw that begins first has played the semi on a Thursday and the side of the draw that begins second plays the semi on a Friday - it's been that way for years. He must have been asleep in past years, or not bothered to look beyond the first week. Thankfully Rafa put that one right when he reminded the interviewer that he would have had the Thursday advantage (if there is one) in 2008.

For example, Federer played the Friday match in 2006 and Baghdatis had an extra day. This of course was not anything like what happened today with Nadal v Verdasco which if it had been a regular 3 setter would not have been such an issue.

To answer the OP's question - no it's not - but as has been said - premium money from night TV is what keeps these tournaments going and pays the increasingly large prizemoney cheques these guys are getting (never mind the millions the top players get in sponsorship to be seen on prime time TV). This only causes accusations of unfairness - but the suggestion it is a deliberat fix is also unfair - who knows - maybe the players will campaign to make changes in the light of these issues, or maybe they will just take the money and run!:devil:

Aliciasace
01-30-2009, 09:23 PM
Haha I agree. In alll honesty i think verdasco deserved to win the match a lot more today.

MalwareDie
01-30-2009, 09:24 PM
And he is not up against the aggressive, free-hitting player who beat him at Wimbledon - he is up against a cheap moonballer.

Mugboar has never been an aggressive free-hitting player. He is a full time moonballer.

MalwareDie
01-30-2009, 09:27 PM
So Verdasco is a Rafatard, too? :p

Yeah, he is.

Henry Kaspar
01-30-2009, 09:34 PM
Who are "Mugdull" and "Mugboar"?



Oh I see! Elementary school yard slang for one of the two greatest tennis champions of our time.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
01-30-2009, 09:57 PM
Mugboar has never been an aggressive free-hitting player. He is a full time moonballer.

Give him his dues. There is a lot to admire about him, especially at Wimbledon when he plays his aggressive game. But that should have been Verdasco's match. The fact that Nadal slowly strangled the life out of him over five sets was a travesty. And if he somehow manages to moonball Federer to death in the final, it will be an even bigger travesty.

MacTheKnife
01-30-2009, 10:53 PM
I'm sick of getting messages about the poxy server - sorry, that should read p r o x y server. On second thoughts, let the first one stand. . .

What on earth is wrong with MTF?

I have the same problems. This is the sloooooooooowest message board I've ever been on.

moon language
01-30-2009, 11:03 PM
Give him his dues. There is a lot to admire about him, especially at Wimbledon when he plays his aggressive game. But that should have been Verdasco's match. The fact that Nadal slowly strangled the life out of him over five sets was a travesty. And if he somehow manages to moonball Federer to death in the final, it will be an even bigger travesty.

Give me a break. Nadal had so many more break chances, he put himself in a winning position more often and fully deserved it.

Henry Kaspar
01-30-2009, 11:18 PM
Give me a break. Nadal had so many more break chances, he put himself in a winning position more often and fully deserved it.

If anything it's disquieting that Nadal could use so few of them -- 4 out of 20. Verdasco used 2 out of 4, Federer the day before 4 out of 13. Verdasco played a heroic match, but Nadal should have been able to break away earlier.