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Nadal analysis – what was really wrong with him today?

Stefanos13
01-28-2009, 11:40 AM
He hasn't lost a set yet but today against Simon he:
– made too many unforced errors
– appeared sloppy and seemed out of sorts
– returned 'short'
– hardly used his backhand as a weapon as he usually does
– kept chipping
– lacked confidence.

Is he tired already? was it Simon? his confidence? I don't get it

GugaF1
01-28-2009, 11:42 AM
I didnt watch the match with Simon. But damn, you have have high expectations man, He won in straight sets what else is he supposed to do to make it look better.

orangehat
01-28-2009, 11:43 AM
he lacked confidence? The only possibility was that he was a bit weary of the hard courts, but still that didn't show with some excellent shots he made. He didn't have many problems, considering that of simon's, so there's not much to moan about IMO. A win is a win and 1 against a player ranked #7 in the world is no mean feat. Federer had his off day against Berdych and this was probably Nadal's.

Primus
01-28-2009, 11:43 AM
I've got a feeling that he was under pressure. He's shots were just too regular and realy he didn't go for any big forhands at all. And backhand..80% sliced shots.

rafa_maniac
01-28-2009, 11:44 AM
There were reports floating around that he had a sore back, but he didn't seem physically hindered on court. I think he was just unsettled by the conditions for some reason, and as Federer after his 4th round match can attest, sometimes even the best just have a poor day at the office :shrug: He wasn't going to play as flawlessly as he has for all 7 matches, better the slump came today than in the possible final. Important thing is he got the job done somehow.

Action Jackson
01-28-2009, 11:45 AM
Simple, the roof being closed meant the court doesn't get the heat on it, which in turn means Nadal's heavy topspin shots don't get up as high on the opponent as they would with no roof.

In addition the humidity makes the air heavier and that impacts on the effectiveness of Nadal's shots.

Did he win? Yes, end of story.

Bilbo
01-28-2009, 11:45 AM
he won in straight sets against simon who isn't a good matchup for him. what more do you want?

iriraz
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
It`s ridiculous what posts are made.He won in straight sets and not good enough?Maybe he didn`t play his best but whenever the set got to 5-5 he stepped it up.
Maybe u should make a threat complaining why Federer played so badly and didn`t beat Del Potro 6-0 6-0 6-0 yesterday

PiggyGotRoasted
01-28-2009, 12:13 PM
Maybe because he is a hard court mug and the only reason he can beat players like simon and gonzalez is either because they are tired from a 5 set match like 6 hours before their match starts(This happened like 4 times at wimbledon) or he gets lucky that against him other players simply play bad on cruicial points such as simon today or he gets hawk eye calls like 1mm inside the line when it was obvious it was out and hawk eye made a mistake inside its 5mm margin of error.

Deivid23
01-28-2009, 12:18 PM
:haha:

Bernard Black
01-28-2009, 12:21 PM
Simple, the roof being closed meant the court doesn't get the heat on it, which in turn means Nadal's heavy topspin shots don't get up as high on the opponent as they would with no roof.

In addition the humidity makes the air heavier and that impacts on the effectiveness of Nadal's shots.

Did he win? Yes, end of story.

I was just gonna say he had a bad day at the office, end of story, but I'll go with your better explanation :lol:

Stefanos13
01-28-2009, 12:22 PM
I've got a feeling that he was under pressure. He's shots were just too regular and realy he didn't go for any big forhands at all. And backhand..80% sliced shots.

yep – he didn't seem to trust the backhand for a winner. I hope it's not the sore back (according to rumours – posted by someone else here). It could be a combination of a number of factors but he did look delirious with the win :)

MsTree
01-28-2009, 12:24 PM
I think you'll find Simon was wrong with him today but not wrong enough :sad:

groundstroke
01-28-2009, 12:57 PM
Simon hit deeper than the likes of the mugs Nadal has had to play - eg ROCHUS.

Ad Wim
01-28-2009, 01:01 PM
It's just one of those matches you always have in GSs. Federer had it against Berdych, and now Nadal has it. Only his standard is so high and Simon is not good enough, so it was still in straight.

He will be there in the semis, straight sets against Nadal, and then in 4 against Federer to take the title.

tennizen
01-28-2009, 01:10 PM
Rafa:worship: The man in control

RAFAEL NADAL: No, I never like the comparisons between years. This year I am playing more regular than last year, no? I think last year I played against Troicki saving set points, against Serra I think easy. Next I played against Simon, saving set points. Today tough match, too, without playing very well, and against Mathieu I didn't play very well.

The feeling I am playing well. I only had little bit worse match the second round, but for the rest I played very good third round. Against González and Simon I think was very good matches.

Today was tough, because play against Simon is always difficult. I can't play exactly my rhythm because when I play my rhythm with the forehand trying to change directions with the forehand for him is good, no? I think he feels very well two meters behind the line and running all the time.

I think I had to change a little bit the strategy, trying to play a little bit more slice, short balls, try to change the rhythm, no? Play higher, play lower. So that's what I try today.

fred perry
01-28-2009, 02:21 PM
he played right handed.

JolánGagó
01-28-2009, 02:35 PM
I think he feels very well two meters behind the line and running all the time.

Did he just call Simon rabbit? :scratch:

:lol:

the biscuit
01-28-2009, 02:38 PM
Did he just call Simon rabbit? :scratch:

:lol:

Takes one to know one. :D

safinafan
01-28-2009, 02:39 PM
And Nadal is always asking no? in his interviews :haha:

VolandriFan
01-28-2009, 03:06 PM
He finally played a decent opponent with a brain, some foot speed and deep groundstrokes, who was also playing below his best. The roof had nothing to do with Nadal hitting short top spin and slice backhands from the second set onwards. It did impact on his confidence though, noting the ineffectiveness of his forehand spin into Gilles' backhand, which was a contributing factor to those issues.

marcRD
01-28-2009, 03:32 PM
Gilles made more winners and unforced than Nadal, Nadal played amazing defensive tennis again. He seems to be back to his old self on hardcourt, good for him he will face Verdasco and not Tsonga in semifinal. I still have Nadal as the winner of AO 2009, he is too bad of a matchup for Federer in my opinion even when he plays defensive tennis like he did today.

rofe
01-28-2009, 03:35 PM
Something is definitely wrong with Nadal. It took him three sets to defeat Simon. :sad:

It will still be enough for this Spartan to beat his minion in the SF. :worship:

NYCtennisfan
01-28-2009, 03:37 PM
Absolutely nothing was wrong with Nadal. Simon moves a lot better than the other players Nadal has faced and gets balls back with depth and oftentimes pace. It's not as easy to just hit a couple of good FH's and win the point against him. Haas and Gonzo didn't get to half the balls that Simon got to. Add to this that a player like Gonzo has a really weak BH that can be exploited which makes it easier to win rallies and you have an 'off looking Nadal.' At no point did you feel that Simon could win this match even though he played really well at times.

Sebby
01-28-2009, 04:30 PM
Give me a break. The guy won in straights :rolleyes:

The_Nadal_effect
01-28-2009, 04:32 PM
Nadal has two levels. The moonballing level from where he began. After all, he started as a claycourter.
The high-octane level where he flattens his forehand more and hits the corners with ease. The first one showed up today.

Snowwy
01-28-2009, 04:35 PM
Simple, the roof being closed meant the court doesn't get the heat on it, which in turn means Nadal's heavy topspin shots don't get up as high on the opponent as they would with no roof.

In addition the humidity makes the air heavier and that impacts on the effectiveness of Nadal's shots.

Did he win? Yes, end of story.

I thought they said the humidity was very low yesterday?

Stefanos13
01-28-2009, 04:39 PM
Having read his interview, the matter became a little clearer: he tried to use a different strategy against Simon because he was aware of his forehand and ability to play from well behind the the baseline. The strategy worked (obviously) but I personally think he stuck to it too much by slicing all the time and therefore not attempting any winners with the backhand.

The_Nadal_effect
01-28-2009, 04:51 PM
Having read his interview, the matter became a little clearer: he tried to use a different strategy against Simon because he was aware of his forehand and ability to play from well behind the the baseline. The strategy worked (obviously) but I personally think he stuck to it too much by slicing all the time and therefore not attempting any winners with the backhand.

That 'different strategy' thing was an excuse. He just wasn't in any rhythm to play better. Simon was thrashing his moonballs in the second set. So where is the question of strategy? He just wasn't at his highest level.

kobulingam
01-28-2009, 04:53 PM
He is also feeling the wear and tear. Shoulder and back are sore.

Stefanos13
01-28-2009, 04:55 PM
He is also feeling the wear and tear. Shoulder and back are sore.
is that a fact or a rumour?

Xoman
01-28-2009, 05:27 PM
"what was really wrong with him today?"

Nothing was wrong with Nadal. He played Simon who happens to be ranked #6. He won in 3 sets not without difficulty.
Let's move on.

MissMelly2U
01-28-2009, 06:36 PM
Simon is ranked in the top 10. You should expect him to be a challenging opponent for Nadal. Overall, I think Nadal did very well to win the match in 3 sets; however, I do think that Simon exposed some of his vulnerabilities.

Roddickominator
01-30-2009, 06:25 PM
Against Nando we saw even more of this useless slicing...and when he used the two-hander it was often weak and short in the court. Of course, he did make a few nice backhands, but they were lacking in comparison to his usual form. I wonder what is wrong with Rafa.

Jozie
01-30-2009, 06:27 PM
Nothing wrong with Rafa. Do not underestimate Verdasco!

kobulingam
01-30-2009, 06:27 PM
Against Nando we saw even more of this useless slicing...and when he used the two-hander it was often weak and short in the court. Of course, he did make a few nice backhands, but they were lacking in comparison to his usual form. I wonder what is wrong with Rafa.

Yeah, he's slicing cross court 80% of the time. This will kill him against Federer (right into Fed's forehand, which can rip the slice).

Foxy
01-30-2009, 07:22 PM
Yeah, he's slicing cross court 80% of the time. This will kill him against Federer (right into Fed's forehand, which can rip the slice).

Against Simon he sliced to opponent's backhand. So he will do it against Roger too in order to get forehand opening and we all know how it is going to turn out in most cases.

«Ivan»
01-30-2009, 07:45 PM
He hasn't lost a set yet but today against Simon he:
– made too many unforced errors
– appeared sloppy and seemed out of sorts
– returned 'short'
– hardly used his backhand as a weapon as he usually does
– kept chipping
– lacked confidence.

Is he tired already? was it Simon? his confidence? I don't get it

it happened better player.
but what was wrong with rafa?oh,it takes time.
he could try to stay nearer to baseline, 138 metres nearer.

connectolove
01-30-2009, 08:54 PM
Nadal's problem was Verdasco.

MsTree
01-30-2009, 09:11 PM
Wish these pesky opponents would stop getting in the way of Rafa's immaculate perfection :devil: