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Tsonga or Murray? Think About It?

desigundah
01-27-2009, 08:18 AM
Leading up to the Oz Open everyone wanted to talk about how Murray was a part of the big 3 and possibly the best hard court player in the world. But really, lets look at it deeper. Maybe Tsonga is the better player of the two?

Yes, Murray has owned Federer of late and has taken matches from both Nadal and Djokovic. But lets take a look at what Tsonga has done. The big Frenchman has beaten Novak Djokovic three times in a row. He won his last match against Murray, coincidentally here at the Aussie Open last year and beat Nadal on a grand stage, at the semis last year at the Australian Open.

So my question is, with a clear head, who do you think the better player is? Is Murray the next big thing for tennis, or is Tsonga?

Clydey
01-27-2009, 08:25 AM
Leading up to the Oz Open everyone wanted to talk about how Murray was a part of the big 3 and possibly the best hard court player in the world. But really, lets look at it deeper. Maybe Tsonga is the better player of the two?

Yes, Murray has owned Federer of late and has taken matches from both Nadal and Djokovic. But lets take a look at what Tsonga has done. The big Frenchman has beaten Novak Djokovic three times in a row. He won his last match against Murray, coincidentally here at the Aussie Open last year and beat Nadal on a grand stage, at the semis last year at the Australian Open.

So my question is, with a clear head, who do you think the better player is? Is Murray the next big thing for tennis, or is Tsonga?

Murray also beat Nadal in the semis of a slam. Murray has achieved more. 9 titles to 2 (2 MS titles to 1 MS title) and has a better record over the top 3. And yes, Tsonga won their last match, but you can hardly say that Murray is the same player he was in 2008. And even if he was, what does that prove? Murray has won his last 2 matches against Nadal and his last 3 against Federer. That doesn't mean he's a better player than them.

With a clear head, looking at it objectively, Murray is the better player. Will that change? We'll have to wait and see what happens this year. Right now, the facts don't support what you're suggesting.

It should be noted that Tsonga won Paris, which is the very last MS of the year. It's a known fact that most players turn up for the bonus fee.

nkhera1
01-27-2009, 08:26 AM
Tsonga has to become more consistent. It's easier to post good wins on your favorite surface every once in a while but the good players do it week in and week out.

nkhera1
01-27-2009, 08:28 AM
Murray also beat Nadal in the semis of a slam. Murray has achieved more. 9 titles to 2 (2 MS titles to 1 MS title) and has a better record over the top 3. And yes, Tsonga won their last match, but you can hardly say that Murray is the same player he was in 2008. And even if he was, what does that prove? Murray has won his last 2 matches against Nadal and his last 3 against Federer. That doesn't mean he's a better player than them.

With a clear head, looking at it objectively, Murray is the better player. Will that change? We'll have to wait and see what happens this year. Right now, the facts don't support what you're suggesting.

It should be noted that Tsonga won Paris, which is the very last MS of the year. It's a known fact that most players turn up for the bonus fee.

Agreed, but hasn't Murray only beaten Nadal once?

Clydey
01-27-2009, 08:31 AM
Agreed, but hasn't Murray only beaten Nadal once?

Yeah. I cheekily counted the exhibition this year, since they both visibly played their hearts out. Strictly, it is just the one win, though.

nkhera1
01-27-2009, 08:37 AM
Yeah. I cheekily counted the exhibition this year, since they both visibly played their hearts out. Strictly, it is just the one win, though.

Ok. I didn't think about that one. I was wondering where you got that other win from, so I went to the ATP site and only saw that one win.

ORGASMATRON
01-27-2009, 08:39 AM
Murray is clearly better at this point. He just lost to a guy who was playing in the zone. People are making way too much of this loss.

«Ivan»
01-27-2009, 08:41 AM
murray is a joke,tsonga is pro tennis player.simple as that.

murray?:haha:

reggie1
01-27-2009, 08:41 AM
I think the biggest factor with Tsonga will be if he can stay injury free. I always view Tsonga as somewhat of a Maverick with an explosive game. Murray is more consistent and grinds his opponents down imo. I think Murray will have the better career simply because Tsonga's body is fragile. It's a shame really as I think Jo is very enjoyable to watch, anybody who plays with heart and spirit is always fun to watch imo.

Puschkin
01-27-2009, 08:44 AM
Is Murray the next big thing for tennis, or is Tsonga?
neither.

habibko
01-27-2009, 08:46 AM
let's leave their H2H record against each other or Fed & Nadal out because this is not the proper way to compare two players, it's about titles, Grand Slam performance and ranking.

so far Murray has the edge, but will this change soon? we shall see.

HattonWBA
01-27-2009, 08:51 AM
Murray also beat Nadal in the semis of a slam. Murray has achieved more. 9 titles to 2 (2 MS titles to 1 MS title) and has a better record over the top 3. And yes, Tsonga won their last match, but you can hardly say that Murray is the same player he was in 2008. And even if he was, what does that prove? Murray has won his last 2 matches against Nadal and his last 3 against Federer. That doesn't mean he's a better player than them.

With a clear head, looking at it objectively, Murray is the better player. Will that change? We'll have to wait and see what happens this year. Right now, the facts don't support what you're suggesting.

It should be noted that Tsonga won Paris, which is the very last MS of the year. It's a known fact that most players turn up for the bonus fee.

I could not have put it better, this is what i think also for the same reasons, Murray is a better player but as mentioned that may change, who knows, but i cant believe what people are making of this loss. Fernando played great and Murray was not at his best thats it.

JolánGagó
01-27-2009, 09:35 AM
Tsonga is a clown and his body seems to be made of crystal. His name and Muzza's shouldn't be together in the same sentence of a serious tennis conversation.

vincayou
01-27-2009, 11:10 AM
Tsonga is a clown and his body seems to be made of crystal. His name and Muzza's shouldn't be together in the same sentence of a serious tennis conversation.

It would have been easier to see them in the same sentence of a tennis conversation if Murray had managed to reach QF though.

TheBoiledEgg
01-27-2009, 11:34 AM
Tsonga, no doubt about it
he'd probably be #3 had he not missed nearly half last yr.

Clydey
01-27-2009, 11:40 AM
Tsonga, no doubt about it
he'd probably be #3 had he not missed nearly half last yr.

Yes, there's no doubt about it. You know, other than Murray completely dwarfing his achievments.

ReturnWinner
01-27-2009, 11:45 AM
well Tsonga has a way bigger game and has picks of higher tennis but Murray is fitter and more consistent.

vincayou
01-27-2009, 11:51 AM
Tsonga has an explosive game which asks a lot to his body. Their level is close (and high), but Murray will be able to play much more tournaments.

IAMlegend
01-27-2009, 12:20 PM
Murray has played a lot more tennis than Tsonga and has a chance at developing his game. Let's face it we'll still don't know what the ceiling is with Jo.

Andi-M
01-27-2009, 12:29 PM
Murray and Tsonga are both the next big things!

Tsonga will never be top 2 though just dosent have the consistancy, but may win a number of big titles incuding GS's.

Whereas Murray will win GS's but, he'll rack up a good few AMS's and a good few more MM and will be no 1 in the world.

MurrayFan1
01-27-2009, 12:54 PM
I hate to say it, but Tsonga looks so much better right now. Tsonga is so much better on big points and has a miles better mentality. I feel Nadal/Federer/Djokovic may fear Tsonga more as well.

scoobs
01-27-2009, 12:59 PM
In terms of achievements thus far, there's not miles between them

Murray 1 slam final, ditto Tsonga
Murray 2 AMS wins, 1 for Tsonga
Murray wins over Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Tsonga lacks wins over Federer but has wins over Nadal and Djokovic.
Tsonga has less smaller title wins than Murray but they're hardly a major benchmark for the sport - it's slams that matter.

If Tsonga can remain injury free and reproduce his somewhat high risk game consistency, he could be well up there too.

gjr
01-27-2009, 01:23 PM
Need to see what Tsonga can do in a full season first. Murray was on course the other year for a break through season but got injured. Last year he was average for the first half then really stormed the 2nd half. Lets see if Tsonga can get a full season in and see where he is in the pecking order.

Jōris
01-27-2009, 01:31 PM
If Tsonga cuts down on the unforced errors, I believe he'll be playing for a top 3 spot.

anousleshommes@h
01-27-2009, 03:02 PM
Tsonga, no doubt about it
he'd probably be #3 had he not missed nearly half last yr.



AMEN!

anousleshommes@h
01-27-2009, 03:03 PM
Tsonga has an explosive game which asks a lot to his body. Their level is close (and high), but Murray will be able to play much more tournaments.

AGREE 100%

Chileno
01-27-2009, 03:59 PM
Tsonga and Murray will be around the Top10...but neither will ever be number 1.

chammer44
01-27-2009, 06:06 PM
I like both.

Both will win a few slams.

Tsonganator
01-27-2009, 06:07 PM
I don't see how a bigger power game is harder on the body, seeing as the points end quicker. I think Murray has an advantage in tournaments in that his game matches up better with Fed and Fed is often a guy you have to go through to win. If Tsonga makes the final to face Fed (who will obviously beat duck) it will be interesting to see what the result will be if Tsonga plays well. Madrid was a bit of a fluke as Tsonga played horribly, but this final, were it to happen, would be more revealing. Sure, everyone's comparing results, but thats hardly accurate considering Tsonga's injuries and longer time for development.

Clydey
01-27-2009, 06:40 PM
I hate to say it, but Tsonga looks so much better right now. Tsonga is so much better on big points and has a miles better mentality. I feel Nadal/Federer/Djokovic may fear Tsonga more as well.

I seriously doubt it. Complete kneejerk reaction to one loss. Tsonga took a beating when he played Federer in Madrid, and then went on to lose to Murray.

roberthenman
01-27-2009, 11:04 PM
murray is the better

Clydey
01-28-2009, 07:04 AM
AMEN!

:haha: :haha:

FedFan_2007
01-28-2009, 07:10 AM
How the hail does Murray "own" Federer when Federer is 1-0 in grand slams against him? Murray can win all the MM matches he wants, nobody cares.

Clydey
01-28-2009, 07:12 AM
How the hail does Murray "own" Federer when Federer is 1-0 in grand slams against him? Murray can win all the MM matches he wants, nobody cares.

Who said anything about Murray owning Federer?

JediFed
01-28-2009, 07:16 AM
Murray?

Surprised folks say he'll never reach number 1. He'll be the second number 1 of his generation.

Generation 1

Hewitt - Safin - JCF - Roddick - Federer

Generation 2

Nadal - Murray

Andi-M
01-28-2009, 09:30 AM
Murray?

Surprised folks say he'll never reach number 1. He'll be the second number 1 of his generation.

Generation 1

Hewitt - Safin - JCF - Roddick - Federer

Generation 2

Nadal - Murray


Agreed. Next 5 years or so is all Nadal and Murray. Others will win slams also but these 2 will be the major force.

JolánGagó
01-28-2009, 12:01 PM
Leading up to the Oz Open everyone wanted to talk about how Murray was a part of the big 3 and possibly the best hard court player in the world. But really, lets look at it deeper. Maybe Tsonga is the better player of the two?

Stop trolling. Nuff said.

groundstroke
01-28-2009, 12:06 PM
...........And Tsonga is out to Mugdasco.

oranges
01-28-2009, 12:19 PM
:haha: :haha:

:lol: You can touch that relief at JW going out. How dare anyone disagree with the utter and unparalleled Muzz genuis

Clydey
01-28-2009, 04:35 PM
:lol: You can touch that relief at JW going out. How dare anyone disagree with the utter and unparalleled Muzz genuis

Let's face it, neither are as good as Ancic, right?

oranges
01-28-2009, 04:38 PM
Let's face it, neither are as good as Ancic, right?

Both are a thorn in your eye, that's good enough for me :lol:

JolánGagó
01-28-2009, 04:43 PM
Let's face it, neither are as good as Ancic, right?

:haha: :haha:

mention Ivanicevic in the same line too and we'll have an explosive orgasm here.

EDIT. (:secret: but you must refer to them as Mario and Goran to get the desired effect)