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AO R4: Federer def. Berdych 4-6, 6-7, 6-4, 6-4, 6-2

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jeremda01
01-25-2009, 07:56 AM
Well done Feds!

Lullaby
01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Epic choke from bird brain ...

Knightmace
01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Roger You Are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!:worship:

Berdych you played amazing.

Amazing points Roger.:D

Deivid23
01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Federer has the heart of the champions and Berdych is a fucking gutless choking retard. That pretty much says it all

Cloudygirl
01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
Biggest choke I have ever seen in my life.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 07:57 AM
First 2 sets Roger didnt show up. Third set Berdick handed the match to Roger on a platter. End of story.

tangerine_dream
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
What a classic, monumental choke from Berdbrain. :haha: He should play for Argentina's DC team.

Byrd
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
FedFan and ruanz trying to climb back up the cliff face :haha:

RogerFan82
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Spartan Rog !!!!! :yeah:

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Third set, 7th game. After 3 disastrous volleys and one netted smash in a service game which he should have won at love, Mr. Berdych has left the building not to be seen down under until 2010.

Clydey
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Embarrassing choke from Berdych. That game in the middle of the 3rd set was just awful. Those missed volleys and the ridiculous smash attempt that ended up looking like a failed dropshot.

Langers
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Biggest choke in tennis history.

Diprosalic
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
you don't mess with switzerland : (

FairWeatherFan
01-25-2009, 07:58 AM
Even when Federer was down two sets, this result was never in doubt.

BlueSwan
01-25-2009, 07:59 AM
Today is my birthday. I knew Roger wouldn't let me down. ;-)

Mrs. B
01-25-2009, 07:59 AM
Roger! what a comeback!!! :banana:

Nathaliia
01-25-2009, 07:59 AM
As much as one thrilla against Tipsarevic it was Federer who won and not Tipsarevic who lost, here the main credits go to Berdych for blowing it away.

At least we have an answer if Federer would lose a set at this AO.

finishingmove
01-25-2009, 07:59 AM
nice smash from birdshit in the 3rd set.

lina_seta
01-25-2009, 07:59 AM
i dont fancy roger's chances for the title... he doesnt seem to be able to raise his game at the right times... it was more of a birdman producing more errors and roger slightly better

Kolya
01-25-2009, 08:00 AM
A waste of time this Berdych.

Loftra
01-25-2009, 08:00 AM
Berdych challenged a call in the first game of the third set but hawk eye didn't work. The umpire had to go with the line judge and, expectedly, Berdych melted down to give away the match after two sets to love up.

HarryMan
01-25-2009, 08:00 AM
What a fight of the champion!! :worship:

Clearly Berdych was the better player in better parts of the first 4 sets and Fed finds a way to win

What a legend Federer is :D

BlueSwan
01-25-2009, 08:00 AM
This is bad omen for Rogers chances this year. I feel that the winner of this tournament will be found in the upper half of the draw, with Nadal and Murray as the obvious favourites.

scarecrows
01-25-2009, 08:00 AM
lucky one for the swiss

SF will be his last stop

Smasher
01-25-2009, 08:01 AM
Berdych was launching winners all over the place in the 1st two sets. No real surprise his level dropped and Federer's improved enough at the same time

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 08:01 AM
Tomas Berdych, you have the mental capacity of an amoeba. Well done. :rolls:

Roger, you proved yet again what a champion you are, and just how hard you are to put away, but you better thank your lucky stars that you decided to play that way against this particular opponent because if you play that way against someone with balls... :bigwave:

L James
01-25-2009, 08:01 AM
What a mental midget Berdych is. Even looked satisfied with his efforts there after the match, looks like he's happy just to be the pigeon of other champions rather than a winner himself.

That smash in the 3rd set that landed at his own feet :haha:

orangehat
01-25-2009, 08:01 AM
Berdych just wasnt good enough on serve.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:02 AM
Nice effort Berdych, good on court attitude :yeah: But go on the practise court to train smashes 10 hours per day, then come back to a Grand Slam event with hope for something better than 4th round or 1/4 final ;)

tealeaves
01-25-2009, 08:02 AM
WOW, I never expected he can come back LIKE THIS.

agree that 3rd set is pivotal :o
Berdych sucked so bad :o
and never returned.

Xristos
01-25-2009, 08:02 AM
Never in doubt.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:02 AM
Today is my birthday. I knew Roger wouldn't let me down. ;-)

Happy birthday! :)

bad gambler
01-25-2009, 08:02 AM
7th game in the 3rd set where Berdych missed a couple of straightforward bh volleys was probably the turning point.

One that got away because you don't give Federer a second chance

asmazif
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
Fed somehow finds a way to win, even though Berdych was clearly the better player for the majority of the match, so many missed opportunities...

biological
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
Roger you are a champion :worship: Awwwwesome comeback.

marcRD
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
lucky one for the swiss

SF will be his last stop

Nah, Djokovic is atleast as unimpressive as Federer and both him and Roddick are pigeons of Federer. I dont see him losing before the final, but as this match showed us, you never know.

Acer
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
Amazing comeback Roger!

kyleskywalker007
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
What a classic, monumental choke from Berdbrain. :haha: He should play for Argentina's DC team.

That was classy:rolleyes:

Collective
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
Good fight from Roger... after having that careless look and body language for 2.5 sets, he came back emotionally, started screaming and fighting... good stuff. Hope Berdych's is AO's Andreev ;)

WTF happened with the HawkEye? Ridiculous.

Langers
01-25-2009, 08:03 AM
How was this an 'awesome comeback'? It was an awesome choke by Tomas, that's all.

anon57
01-25-2009, 08:04 AM
Federer was awful in the first two sets and Berdych was hitting winners all over the place and in the third Berdych realized he was winning and just went away, playing one of the worst games ever at 3*-3 to get broken:o. With the way both of them were playing for the first sets Berdych really should have finished the match in three:shrug:
Glad Federer managed to get the win but he won't be winning the tournament playing live that.

dylan24
01-25-2009, 08:04 AM
fed on his last legs.
if he somehow gets to final vs murray or nadal
its going to be ugly for the swiss

Michael Bluth
01-25-2009, 08:05 AM
Biggest choke in tennis history.

Nah, I still think Coria at Roland Garros in 04 takes the cake.

teleri
01-25-2009, 08:05 AM
Roger if you play like this again,Del Poro or Nole will kick your butt as hard as they can.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:05 AM
i dont fancy roger's chances for the title... he doesnt seem to be able to raise his game at the right times... it was more of a birdman producing more errors and roger slightly better

I have to agree. If he plays this way he's fuct against anyone but Birdshit. I cant see him sink this low again, or at least its impossible to sink any lower.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 08:05 AM
FedFan and ruanz trying to climb back up the cliff face :haha:

Not true! I have already removed "the monster" from my back and I don't care anymore about winning 15 slams. Roger is a fucking legend, and that is good enough for me.

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:05 AM
WTF with Roger and 4th rounds? last year he made us suffer with Andreev at the USO, maybe this year is the same and he will play better in later rounds :o

his first two sets were SO bad, and how about the one that looked just like a WTA match? where neither one could handle the service? :unsure:

Roger was awesome in the fifth set, he made an incredible shot in there ;)

lina_seta
01-25-2009, 08:06 AM
Nah, I still think Coria at Roland Garros in 04 takes the cake.

absolutely
never seen any tennis player cry so hard in a post match interview

Flibbertigibbet
01-25-2009, 08:06 AM
That Federer-Andreev match was pretty mediocre-to-awful on Federer's part, too, and we saw what happened in the semis and the final.

RagingLamb
01-25-2009, 08:06 AM
As if it needed saying, Berdych threw it away.

osalsyst
01-25-2009, 08:06 AM
Berdych came out to play today and then Birdshit crashed the party out of nowhere in the third set. What a hilariously awful seventh game that was.

Great win Fed! Please don't play like that again though.

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 08:07 AM
In this match it never came down to Federer, it has Tomas name all over it. Roger played the best he could during the course of all 5 sets (and he did played good especially the defense and serve), but still it was all about the level Berdych was playing. When "his switch" was ON he was winning everything, as soon as he switched off it was all over and Federer was allowed to get on top. Tomas has done this a few times in the past.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:07 AM
Berdych didn't win a game when Federer had a BP, pretty embarrassing achievement for more than 3 hour match :o

marcRD
01-25-2009, 08:07 AM
It was not the biggest choke in history, Berdych was never even up a break in the 3 last sets and never was in a position where he could close the match.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:08 AM
How was this an 'awesome comeback'? It was an awesome choke by Tomas, that's all.

I agree wholeheartedly. Roger didnt do a single thing differently the whole match, he just got some confidence when he saw Birdshit would do everything in his power not to win the match. That would give anyone confidence, dont you think?

leng jai
01-25-2009, 08:08 AM
Berdych is the new Rafter.

DartMarcus
01-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Great volleys Birdman!!! Also some amazing smashes and incredible mental strengh!!! :lol:

Fedex
01-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Even when Federer was down two sets, this result was never in doubt.

True. You knew a choke from Berdych was forthcoming and you knew Federer would start to put some pressure on him.

Not surprisingly, Berdy collapsed.

What a waste of talent that guy is.

Steelq
01-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Lucky one Roger.At the end of match Berdych looked even more satisfied than Federer,what a champ.:haha:

Fedex
01-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Berdych is the new Rafter.

I can't see Berdych winning two slams.

RogerFan82
01-25-2009, 08:09 AM
Come on Rog ! 3 more matches in 7 days including a 2 day break (friday & sat) if you manage to make the final. You can do this!! Slam number 14 next sunday. :yeah:

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
Not true! I have already removed "the monster" from my back and I don't care anymore about winning 15 slams. Roger is a fucking legend, and that is good enough for me.

I wish i could believe you. If you are serious well then i agree with you.

yellowboy906
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
berdych didn't choke. he lost because federer decided to wake up after he lost the first 2 set.

Flibbertigibbet
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
It was not the biggest choke in history, Berdych was never even up a break in the 3 last sets and never was in a position where he could close the match.

Shhhh. Reason is a tough one sometimes.

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
It was not the biggest choke in history, Berdych was never even up a break in the 3 last sets and never was in a position where he could close the match.

It was an epic choke in the way that Berdych mentally colapsed beyond belief, rather than because he came so so close only to lose.

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
That Federer-Andreev match was pretty mediocre-to-awful on Federer's part, too, and we saw what happened in the semis and the final.

I'm hoping for that as well :lol:

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 08:10 AM
Roger didn't win; Berdych lost.

My God, time for an early retirement.

Deshna
01-25-2009, 08:11 AM
terrible match by Federer. surprisingly win

mickymouse
01-25-2009, 08:11 AM
That's how it has been with Federer for the past year, hasn't it? You never know what to expect from him anymore; he could be sizzling one match and a dud the next.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:11 AM
I'm hoping for that as well :lol:

Me 3.

Fedex
01-25-2009, 08:12 AM
In this match it never came down to Federer, it has Tomas name all over it. Roger played the best he could during the course of all 5 sets (and he did played good especially the defense and serve), but still it was all about the level Berdych was playing. When "his switch" was ON he was winning everything, as soon as he switched off it was all over and Federer was allowed to get on top. Tomas has done this a few times in the past.

:haha: :haha: :rolls:

Sure, sure he did buddy.... Roger was just terrific in this match!!

FNT
01-25-2009, 08:12 AM
Oh, come on, it was inevitable that Berdych would stop painting lines sooner or later, his level in first 2,5 sets was ridiculous.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:13 AM
Biggest chokefest in history, Birdick owning Tod Martin in the choke department.

Foxy
01-25-2009, 08:13 AM
fed on his last legs.
if he somehow gets to final vs murray or nadal
its going to be ugly for the swiss

Unfortunately not. He will have a day rest more than Mur/Nad.

mickymouse
01-25-2009, 08:13 AM
Oh, come on, it was inevitable that Berdych would stop painting lines sooner or later, his level in first 2,5 sets was ridiculous.

well, in MTF, as long as a player can't maintain his level for 5 sets, it's a choke, particularly if it's against one of the top 3.

L James
01-25-2009, 08:14 AM
Nice effort Berdych, good on court attitude :yeah: But go on the practise court to train smashes 10 hours per day, then come back to a Grand Slam event with hope for something better than 4th round or 1/4 final ;)

Berdych knows how to hit a smash. He just doesn't know how to not choke in important situations ;)

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:14 AM
biggest choker: Coria in RG 2004, how do you lose a 5-set GS final (when you made your rival eat a bagel and were 2-0) against the talented-but-headcase Gaudio? :unsure:

Tomas did his fair share on losing this one, but the fifth set was all about Roger ;)

rofe
01-25-2009, 08:14 AM
Yeah Fed - you the man! Excellent comeback from Fed; reduced his error count in the 3rd set and never looked back.

To people who think Berdych choked - you guys know nothing about this match. Fed was always a break up in the 3rd set and Berdych was never in a position to serve for the set and match.

Berdych played some excellent tennis in the first two sets - he was just going for broke with every shot and it worked. He was overpowering Fed. As expected, it was simply too hard for him to sustain it. That is an inherent problem with flat hitters, their margin of error is so low that their game invariably breaks down.

neenah
01-25-2009, 08:14 AM
Roger Federer is my hero. :D

nobama
01-25-2009, 08:15 AM
Berdych totally choked but anyone who says it was totally expected is full of shit. At least 3 times Fed broke only to get broken right back. Fact is this isn't a Masters or MM event. It's a slam and (and not RG against Nadal) so Fed won't go down without a fight. Won't win the tournament with this level though so he really needs to step it up. :(

yellowboy906
01-25-2009, 08:15 AM
fed on his last legs.
if he somehow gets to final vs murray or nadal
its going to be ugly for the swiss

dylan, is that you? do you remember me?:):D

nobama
01-25-2009, 08:16 AM
Yeah Fed - you the man! Excellent comeback from Fed; reduced his error count in the 3rd set and never looked back.

To people who think Berdych choked - you guys know nothing about this match. Fed was always a break up in the 3rd set and Berdych was never in a position to serve for the set and match.

Berdych played some excellent tennis in the first two sets - he was just going for broke with every shot and it worked. He was overpowering Fed. As expected, it was simply too hard for him to sustain it. That is an inherent problem with flat hitters, their margin of error is so low that their game invariably breaks down.Stop it. You're not allowed to make sense in GM. :p

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 08:16 AM
choke ?

-Berd didnt serve for the match
-he wasnt up a break at any time in the last 3 sets

NO choke, silly bastards

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 08:17 AM
congrats Fed, but dont push the ball around ffs - you're not Murray or Nadal

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:18 AM
Roger Federer is my hero. :D

Not for me today, im very mad at Roger :o

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:19 AM
Agreed, Roger was pushing his ass off. Playing brainless tennis but managed to win? Maybe im missing something.

Bilbo
01-25-2009, 08:20 AM
expected one

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 08:21 AM
Not for me today, im very mad at Roger :o

I wasn't mad at all. I was actually resigned to the defeat the way Berdych was blasting winners all over the court. It seemed to me Roger himself simply stopped obsessing about having to win and just found a way to win. That's difficult to relate, but that's my interpretation of the events.

Modetopia
01-25-2009, 08:21 AM
we got chokebird in the house.:p

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 08:22 AM
choke ?

-Berd didnt serve for the match
-he wasnt up a break at any time in the last 3 sets

NO choke, silly bastards

Nadal actually had the most massive choke in history at 2005 Miami, had MATCH points!!!!

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 08:23 AM
I don't understand how anyone could have seen that game in the 3rd set and claim that choking had nothing to do with this result :confused:

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:23 AM
I wouldn't call this Berdych's performance "a choke". As Corey Feldman said, he wasn't even a break up in losing sets... The closest distance for him to win this match was 9 points (when he had GP to lead 4:3) - it's a very far distance. Obviously he fucked up 7th game of the third set but if he won it, no-one would have been convinced about his victory in this match.

scarecrows
01-25-2009, 08:23 AM
Unfortunately not. He will have a day rest more than Mur/Nad.

arent both semis on friday?

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:23 AM
Nadal actually had the most massive choke in history at 2005 Miami, had MATCH points!!!!

then what was Rome 06? :retard:
Roger had the match on his bag and yet Rafa managed to come back ;)

Lunaris
01-25-2009, 08:23 AM
biggest choker: Coria in RG 2004, how do you lose a 5-set GS final (when you made your rival eat a bagel and were 2-0) against the talented-but-headcase Gaudio? :unsure:
Wasn't Coria injured? I remember he could barely move.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 08:24 AM
Ironically enough, this thread is reminiscent of that which ensued following Roger's grueling 5-set triumph over Igor Andreev at last year's USO to reach the quarters. Suffice it to say, he actually would go on to defeat both Djokovic and Murray en route to his 13th Grand Slam title.

Not that such mundane details denote any particular importance.

marcRD
01-25-2009, 08:24 AM
Also Berdych was playing at a ridiculous high level for the first 2 sets, 8 ues when bombing winners all over the court like he was doing is just silly. You cant expect him to play like superman for 5 sets, at somepoint bombing balls all down the line would get some ues from his side and Federer had very few ues in the 3 last sets, was not giving away points for free like in the first 2 sets. It was a change from both guys, but Berdych was still playing good tennis in the 3rd and 4th set.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 08:25 AM
Not it was not all about Berdych in this match, but he certainly contributed to his demise in the third set after playing superbly in the first two and the No. 2 looking like crap :o The Czech's level dipped but Fed also cut down on his errors and played much better in the last two and a half sets or so. I'd certainly not use this match as a predictor of how he'll do in future rounds - but...

While Federer can take positives from how he finished it off, he should also take a long hard look at what got him into such a deep hole to begin with. Personally I was disappointed to see the Swiss not move forward more and content to stay far back and be run around by the Big Berd rather than attempting to do the same.

marcRD
01-25-2009, 08:25 AM
Wasn't Coria injured? I remember he could barely move.

Just because his head told him he was injured doesnt mean he was actually injured.

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Ironically enough, this thread is reminiscent of that which ensued following Roger's grueling 5-set triumph over Igor Andreev at last year's USO to reach the quarters. Suffice it to say, he actually would go on to defeat both Djokovic and Murray, two players ranked in the top 5, en route to his 13th Grand Slam title.

Not that such mundane details denote any particular importance.

Maybe if the crowd boos Djokovic again and if Murray doesn't get a deserved day of rest, Fed might have another shot :cool:

MrChopin
01-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Fed got better and better as the match went on. He found a consistent ground game in the second, then his serve midway through the 3rd. Once that happened, the result was really NID as Fed made Berdych's just-hit-winners tactic a lot more difficult. Until then, Fed was too passive on to many aspects, and Berdych was making him pay for it. The only thing Fed did well throughout the entire match was hit that angled cc bh slice while on the run.

All said, that's three Top 35, good hardcourt opponents in four rounds, two against guys playing quite well. His draw only gets tougher from here on out, but of course users will continue saying stupid shit like "retire you mug" while praising Nadal and the like as they beat up on scrubs and the exhausted.

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Coria started to "feel" the injuries after he wasted his MPs :rolleyes:

rofe
01-25-2009, 08:28 AM
Not it was not all about Berdych in this match, but he certainly contributed to his demise in the third set after playing superbly in the first two and the No. 2 looking like crap :o The Czech's level dipped but Fed also cut down on his errors and played much better in the last two and a half sets or so. I'd certainly not use this match as a predictor of how he'll do in future rounds - but...

While Federer can take positives from how he finished it off, he should also take a long hard look at what got him into such a deep hole to begin with. Personally I was disappointed to see the Swiss not move forward more and content to stay far back and be run around by the Big Berd rather than attempting to do the same.

You do not move forward on poor approaches and Fed's groundstrokes were not penetrating the court (if they landed in that is). I am glad he stayed back.

ORGASMATRON
01-25-2009, 08:28 AM
I wasn't mad at all. I was actually resigned to the defeat the way Berdych was blasting winners all over the court. It seemed to me Roger himself simply stopped obsessing about having to win and just found a way to win. That's difficult to relate, but that's my interpretation of the events.

Yes difficult to relate i agree. Rogers slice was 30% of its best. It sat up , it fell midcourt and went to the Birdick forhand. IMO Roger could at least have tried to make Birdick choke, but Birdick did it anyway. I dont know if Roger himself realizes how lucky he is.

mickymouse
01-25-2009, 08:30 AM
I don't understand how anyone could have seen that game in the 3rd set and claim that choking had nothing to do with this result :confused:
Was he up a break or serving for the match at that point? No, he wasn't. Even if he had won that game, there's no guarantee that he'd have won the match.

marcRD
01-25-2009, 08:30 AM
Maybe if the crowd boos Djokovic again and if Murray doesn't get a deserved day of rest, Fed might have another shot :cool:

Please, it is just silly to make these kind of excuses. Murray should only blame himself for playing tennis the way he does which makes a day of rest so important to him, never has a day of rest made a differense in how Federer will play the next day. Djokovic can also only blame himself for getting booed and I still cant see Djokovic beating Federer when Federer was playing at such a high level. Federer owns Djokovic 7-2 and I dont consider him as dangerous for Federer as Murray and Nadal.

sunsfuns
01-25-2009, 08:32 AM
Bit lucky for Roger, but he won and has an opportunity to improve and play better. Can't say the same about Thomas...

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:32 AM
Berdych:

1. wasn't 2-0 5-0 in the third
2. didn't have any MPs

ergo, he didn't really choke, even if I think that the hawk-eye failure messed up with his mind a bit :unsure:

also, I think in the last two sets Berdych wasn't giving all he did on the first two because he was injured, he got a medical time-out :shrug:

anon57
01-25-2009, 08:33 AM
Was he up a break or serving for the match at that point? No, he wasn't. Even if he had won that game, there's no guarantee that he'd have won the match.
Berdych wasn't up a break or anything and if Berdych had held the match result may still have been the same but it was still a very poor game from Berdych to get broken the way he was. :shrug:

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 08:34 AM
Was he up a break or serving for the match at that point? No, he wasn't. Even if he had won that game, there's no guarantee that he'd have won the match.

You're right. He wasn't up a break. He was up TWO SETS. :lol:

Skyward
01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
Federer has the heart of the champions and Berdych is a fucking gutless choking retard. That pretty much says it all

For "a gutless chocking retard" he has a good 5 sets record. :shrug:

scarecrows
01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
Coria started to "feel" the injuries after he wasted his MPs :rolleyes:

:cuckoo:

he had MPs in the 5th and started cramping in the 3d

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
I wouldn't call this Berdych's performance "a choke". As Corey Feldman said, he wasn't even a break up in losing sets... The closest distance for him to win this match was 9 points (when he had GP to lead 4:3) - it's a very far distance. Obviously he fucked up 7th game of the third set but if he won it, no-one would have been convinced about his victory in this match.

Must you be literally serving for the match to choke? Can't you be in a COMMANDING position, realise it, they plays same absolutely horrible tight tennis? I consider that choking completely. The 4th and 5th sets were all about Federer, he's just a better player and that became obvious, but Berdych could definately have taken control of that third if he had the mental strength to do so.

nsidhan
01-25-2009, 08:35 AM
Hahahaha Mary Carillo from ESPN just called Berdych, "Beard"ich :lol:

Anyways, monumental choke from the Bird-man.

That 28 stroke rally at the end of the fourth set was :drool:

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:36 AM
he had MPs in the 5th and started cramping in the 3d

That's true.

HarryMan
01-25-2009, 08:37 AM
Truth be told, Murray will need atleast a week's time to recover from the brutal assault at the hands of Nadal, should both of them reach the semi final. That would be a war zone.

And if its a Fed - Muzza final, the excuses from the MuzzaGOAT fans will be great to read :D

amonb
01-25-2009, 08:38 AM
Fed hasn't got a hope in hell of winning this title!!!!!!! No.4 in the world this time next year!!!!!!!!

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:39 AM
:cuckoo:

he had MPs in the 5th and started cramping in the 3d

yeah, Coria's "strategic" cramps, like the ones he got playing Gaston in Buenos Aires and Hamburg in 2003, and when he was really winning there, BAM! no more cramps :rolleyes:

so excuse me if I don't believe it :cool: :o

prima donna
01-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Also Berdych was playing at a ridiculous high level for the first 2 sets, 8 ues when bombing winners all over the court like he was doing is just silly. You cant expect him to play like superman for 5 sets
I agree. In fact, at one point, I found myself feeling so bemused by Berdych's performance that I simply turned off the television, as it seemed impossible to withstand such a barrage of winners -- for any player, not only Roger.

At any rate, as much as I hate clichès: Live by the sword die by the sword, which is just what Berdych did. Moreover, he was able to propel himself to an impressive lead that, nevertheless, seemed uncharacteristically surmountable.

One just got the feeling that sooner or later, he'd start to misfire or suffer a lapse of concentration -- which is just what happened, and in Roger's case, turned out to be just what the doctor ordered. A perfect recipe for mounting a comeback.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:40 AM
Must you be literally serving for the match to choke?

No, but Berdych wasn't even 3:0 or 4:1 up in the third. He came back from break down twice in the 3rd set what maybe affected his poor play in the 7th game. Actually it's an irrelevant issue was it a choke or wasn't, especially since we haven't a clear and generally accepted definition of choking :) The fact is - Berdych wasn't very close to win this match.

Lunaris
01-25-2009, 08:41 AM
:cuckoo:

he had MPs in the 5th and started cramping in the 3d
Thanks, I will just ignore the retards.

scarecrows
01-25-2009, 08:41 AM
yeah, Coria's "strategic" cramps, like the ones he got playing Gaston in Buenos Aires and Hamburg in 2003, and when he was really winning there, BAM! no more cramps :rolleyes:

so excuse me if I don't believe it :cool: :o

http://www.maxbashing.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

i didnt say they were real or not
just that he didnt start complaining after wasting mps

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:43 AM
http://www.maxbashing.com/forum/images/smilies/wtf.gif

i didnt say they were real or not
just that he didnt start complaining after wasting mps

I know, my bad :o

still, I think Coria totally choked when he was 6-5 40-15 in the last set ;)

:wavey:

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 08:43 AM
Actually it's an irrelevant issue was it a choke or wasn't, especially since we haven't a clear and generally accepted definition of choking :)

Obviously, to me it's about the mindset more than the score, although the latter influences the former, which it did today.

RagingLamb
01-25-2009, 08:43 AM
I wouldn't call this Berdych's performance "a choke". As Corey Feldman said, he wasn't even a break up in losing sets... The closest distance for him to win this match was 9 points (when he had GP to lead 4:3) - it's a very far distance. Obviously he fucked up 7th game of the third set but if he won it, no-one would have been convinced about his victory in this match.


where does it say you have to be up a break or have match point to choke?

he missed easy winners during key moments -> choke.

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 08:45 AM
No, but Berdych wasn't even 3:0 or 4:1 up in the third. He came back from break down twice in the 3rd set what maybe affected his poor play in the 7th game. Actually it's an irrelevant issue was it a choke or wasn't, especially since we haven't a clear and generally accepted definition of choking :) The fact is - Berdych wasn't very close to win this match.

You are in serious denial. Federer's game didn't suddenly get better; Berdych's game was the opposite and he went on an massive downward spiral.

Have you ever played anything competitively in your life? A video game? A game of basketball? Do you know what momentum is? Berdych had it and choked it away.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:46 AM
where does it say you have to be up a break or have match point to choke?

he missed easy winners during key moments -> choke.

Ok, I don't see any sense to argue about it, for me more important is that he lost 2-0 lead, it's always a bad sign for one player and a good one for the other.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 08:46 AM
You do not move forward on poor approaches and Fed's groundstrokes were not penetrating the court (if they landed in that is). I am glad he stayed back.
I'll defer to your assessment as I'm no tactical expert on tennis, but I felt while watching that Federer would likely be better off to try mix things up a bit more... A difficult task considering how Berdych was playing early on, I admit, but I believe he actually did it to some extent when he got got the first break back in the opening set e.g. bringing Berdych forward and exploiting his (lack of) movement. But Fed then retreated back to his defensive tactics and seemed resigned to just being pounded by Berdych's FH while scrambling well behind the baseline... For a while there I thought I was watching Monfils intead :eek:

GuiroNl
01-25-2009, 08:47 AM
No, but Berdych wasn't even 3:0 or 4:1 up in the third. He came back from break down twice in the 3rd set what maybe affected his poor play in the 7th game. Actually it's an irrelevant issue was it a choke or wasn't, especially since we haven't a clear and generally accepted definition of choking :) The fact is - Berdych wasn't very close to win this match.

What do you mean Berdych wasn't very close to win this match? You don't have to be a break up to be very close to win the match. I'm sure many Federer fans had given up on the match already and many other people thought Berdych was going to take this match.

And Berdych probably realised this himself, that this was his chance to do it, and couldn't handle that.

Choke if you ask me.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:47 AM
Have you ever played anything competitively in your life? A video game? A game of basketball? Do you know what momentum is? Berdych had it and choked it away.

Many times, maybe even more than you considering I started to play the football matches when I was 6 and now I'm 5 years older than you.

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 08:48 AM
where does it say you have to be up a break or have match point to choke?

he missed easy winners during key moments -> choke.so did Federer

all players miss shots on big points

must be 200 chokes already during this tournament then

prima donna
01-25-2009, 08:50 AM
You are in serious denial. Federer's game didn't suddenly get better; Berdych's game was the opposite and he went on an massive downward spiral.

Have you ever played anything competitively in your life? A video game? A game of basketball? Do you know what momentum is? Berdych had it and choked it away.
In spite of your rather awkward comparison between a video game and a tennis match being played at a Grand Slam event, you've yet to explain to us how exactly Berdych "choked" -- I'm waiting.

l_mac
01-25-2009, 08:51 AM
arent both semis on friday?
No, one on Thursday, one on Friday.
.

All said, that's three Top 35, good hardcourt opponents in four rounds, two against guys playing quite well. His draw only gets tougher from here on out, but of course users will continue saying stupid shit like "retire you mug" while praising Nadal and the like as they beat up on scrubs and the exhausted.

:haha:

Missed the match, but thrilled Rogi lives to fight another day :bigclap:

Arkulari
01-25-2009, 08:51 AM
yeah, playing against one of the greatest players ever in a full arena that supports him while injured is a total choke :o

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 08:52 AM
What do you mean Berdych wasn't very close to win this match?

For me it means to be within at least two points from victory but the tennis scoreline system causes that we cann't equal all matches even in these conditions. It's a completely different story when you for example leading 7-5 5:4 (30-30) against a big server on his serve to lose the match than when you leading for example 6-3 1-6 6:6 (5:0) having two serves...

Bilbo
01-25-2009, 08:54 AM
the people who talk about a choke must still be thinking of Berdych being the real deal

RagingLamb
01-25-2009, 08:54 AM
so did Federer

all players miss shots on big points

must be 200 chokes already during this tournament then


I didn't say every single missed shot during a big moment is a choke.

But he kept on missing easy winners. Not one, not two, but a lot. You can't say that was just error. His nerves got to him, and he threw it away. Make no mistake about it.

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 08:55 AM
In spite of your rather awkward comparison between a video game and a tennis match being played at a Grand Slam event, you've yet to explain to us how exactly Berdych "choked" -- I'm waiting.

Federer himself just said in his press conference that Berdych felt the pressure.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 08:56 AM
Federer himself just said in his press conference that Berdych felt the pressure.
Okay, so you're not interested in answering my question. That's fine.

calvinhobbes
01-25-2009, 08:59 AM
Roger spent one set to be inside the match. This is why he nonchalantly was broken in the first game. In the second set he took his pace, but a slip in the tie break put him in a most dangerous position. The other three were normal sets for a fairly better player, in spite of Byrds efforts. I dont see any choke from Berdych as he maintained his game level except during the problem in his left leg. After the medical break from Berdych, I feared Fed would choke, as is his inveterate custom. Fortunately he took this with outstanding patience. All in all, not one of the best performances by Roger, although one of the most nerve-taking.

MIMIC
01-25-2009, 09:00 AM
Okay, so you're not interested in answering my question. That's fine.

A choke isn't something palpable that you can see or read in black and white. You can pretend to be oblivious to this new phenomenon of choking but I'm not going to go back and forth with you. 90% of those watching the match would call it a choke but if you need it explained to you college thesis style, I'm not going to do it.

Ignorance is bliss, so enjoy.

MrChopin
01-25-2009, 09:05 AM
:haha:

Missed the match, but thrilled Rogi lives to fight another day :bigclap:

Indeed! I enjoy nothing more than the thought of him taking another tournament-director-aided slam against whoever is exhausted from the Nadal-Murray match, which will inevitably be played Sunday morning after rainy weatherer arrives on Friday and Saturday.

finishingmove
01-25-2009, 09:06 AM
this match was all about berdych, your friends with eyes can tell you this, and believe them.

choke or not, call it whatever u want.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 09:09 AM
A choke isn't something palpable that you can see or read in black and white. You can pretend to be oblivious to this new phenomenon of choking but I'm not going to go back and forth with you. 90% of those watching the match would call it a choke but if you need it explained to you college thesis style, I'm not going to do it.

Ignorance is bliss, so enjoy.

I didn't ask for a definition, to expand on my query, I'd be interested to know how and when Berdych squandered any opportunity to win the match. In other words, at what point was he in the position to "choke" ?

Of course he felt the pressure after racing to a sizable lead. However, there was still plenty of work to be done, which is why the notion that he choked simply because he was unable to win three sets against a player of Fed's caliber seems absurd.

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 09:10 AM
:haha: :haha: :rolls:

Sure, sure he did buddy.... Roger was just terrific in this match!!

He was IMO, you seen him playing better defense in last year and more ? Just because someone wins sets after previously losing sets doesn't mean necessarily that he upped his level. Roger was very consistent during the course of the match, it was Tomas level fluctuating from unbelievably excellent in the first 2 sets to extremely awful at some stages in the last 3 sets. Federer is playing very good and he is still a first favorite for the title in my eyes. Neither Del Potro or Djokovic can play at this moment as Berdych in those first 2 sets. If Federer manages to keep his level of play from this match he is a lock down for the final. But Nadal/Murray is a completely different match up, and he will have to come up with consistency on different areas in his game.

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 09:14 AM
19 straight GS quarter finals

can it be 19 straight semis, me thinks not.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 09:16 AM
This thread is further proof that 'choke' is one of the most misused and overused words on MTF, maybe only second to 'mug' :rolleyes: By the definition some people are trying to establish here, any WTA player who loses a match after winning the first set is a choker, regardless of whether or not she ever led in the second set or was close to victory at any point.

Seriously, how can anyone put what happened here in the same category as Cornet blowing a 5-2 lead in the third, then two consecutive MPs on serve at 5-4 earlier today? Feeling pressure and losing momentum are part of the game but that doesn't make each and every instance a choke - it's when and how they happen that matters, plus how both players respond.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 09:17 AM
Of course he felt the pressure after racing to a sizable lead. However, there was still plenty of work to be done

Exactly.

Federer has already played 838 singles matches in pro-career (the Berdych match was No. 839th) and he had been so many times *3:4 in a set after many configurations, that is almost impossible to count it all. For such an experienced player being 3:4 isn't a big deal. Of course he was 0-2 down in sets but it also nothing new for him. In the other words I can freely imagine that even if Berdych won that 7th game, the final scoreline would be identical.

dijus
01-25-2009, 09:18 AM
No, but Berdych wasn't even 3:0 or 4:1 up in the third. He came back from break down twice in the 3rd set what maybe affected his poor play in the 7th game. Actually it's an irrelevant issue was it a choke or wasn't, especially since we haven't a clear and generally accepted definition of choking :) The fact is - Berdych wasn't very close to win this match.

you must be kidding me, mate :lol:

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:19 AM
Exactly.

Federer has already played 838 singles matches in pro-career (the Berdych match was No. 839th) and he had been so many times *3:4 in a set after many configuration, that it's almost impossible to count it all. For such an experienced player being 3:4 isn't a big deal. Of course he was 0-2 down in sets but it also nothing new for him. In the other words I can freely imagine that even if Berdych won that 7th game, the final scoreline would be identical.

I disagree. I think if Birdy is up 4-3*, then Fed most likely has to get to tiebreaker which he will lose. That 3-3 game was decisive, I knew it at the time.

Serenidad
01-25-2009, 09:20 AM
Berdych @ net.

Nice choke to give Fred the match. He should be out of the tournament.

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 09:21 AM
it's when and how they happen that matters, plus how both players respond.

Exactly, which is why to ME today was a choke from Berdych even though he was never technically on the verge of winning. Mentally, he cracked at a very important moment in the match.

dijus
01-25-2009, 09:21 AM
the thread title should be Berdych LOST TO Federer, not Federer def. Berdych...

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 09:22 AM
must be a world record thread for the word "choke"

prima donna
01-25-2009, 09:26 AM
Exactly.

Federer has already played 838 singles matches in pro-career (the Berdych match was No. 839th) and he had been so many times *3:4 in a set after many configuration, that it's almost impossible to count it all. For such an experienced player being 3:4 isn't a big deal. Of course he was 0-2 down in sets but it also nothing new for him. In the other words I can freely imagine that even if Berdych won that 7th game, the final scoreline would be identical.
You've hit the nail on the head. In addition, there seems to be a tendency on the part of fans, particularly those posting on this forum, to presuppose that exquisite and flawless tennis, against any top player, can be sustained without interruption.

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Exactly.

In the other words I can freely imagine that even if Berdych won that 7th game, the final scoreline would be identical.

I can't agree with you there, there is no way to tell how that might ended. Winning that game might have brought back the confidence he got in first two sets and make Federer a bit more nervous. Sometimes that is all it takes to win or lose a match.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 09:28 AM
Roger was very consistent during the course of the match, it was Tomas level fluctuating from unbelievably excellent in the first 2 sets to extremely awful at some stages in the last 3 sets.
This I don't completely agree with - thought Fed started off the match fairly shaky and did not look very sharp for much of the first two sets or so. He definitely settled down after that and then, IMO, really elevated his game in the last couple of sets.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:29 AM
You've hit the nail on the head. In addition, there seems to be a tendency on the part of fans, particularly those posting on this forum, to presuppose that exquisite and flawless tennis, against any top player, can be sustained without interruption.

:worship: Total agreement.

I can't agree with you there, there is no way to tell how that might ended. Winning that game might have brought back the confidence he got in first two sets and make Federer a bit more nervous. Sometimes that is all it takes to win or lose a match.

:worship::worship: I'm amazed at how few people understand how fragile a player's confidence is. It can turn on a dime.

scoobs
01-25-2009, 09:29 AM
Well it's good that Roger escaped this situation to come back and win in 5, with help or not, but going down 2 sets to Berdych is still not something he should be letting happen.

silverarrows
01-25-2009, 09:30 AM
First of all,I want to know the real and official definition of the word "choke" in tennis.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:31 AM
Well it's good that Roger escaped this situation to come back and win in 5, with help or not, but going down 2 sets to Berdych is still not something he should be letting happen.

Honestly the way Tomas was playing in those first 2 sets, nothing Roger could do but watch the winners whizz by. He simply got a bit lucky that Berdych tightened up in the 3rd set during that 7th game. Otherwise, Roger would be going home now as 3-set loser.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:32 AM
First of all,I want to know the real and official definition of the word "choke" in tennis.

Anything Fed-haters say it is.

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 09:32 AM
You've hit the nail on the head. In addition, there seems to be a tendency on the part of fans, particularly those posting on this forum, to presuppose that exquisite and flawless tennis, against any top player, can be sustained without interruption. It just doesn't work that way, which is why it's crucial that players be able to adapt their games.

One didn't get the feeling that Berdych came into today's match with a plan B.

When you miss 3 easy volleys and yes they were easy volleys, this is a choke, it wasn't stupendously brilliant play from Federer and anyone who thinks so, doesn't know backhand from backyard.

Berdych didn't have that many unforced errors in the match, but what it doesn't tell you is when they occured and they were at very important parts of the match, especially when Berdych had momentum in his favour, so yes this classifies as a choke.

Federer played well in the 5th set other than that he hung in there and took the chances when they came his way, he did what he needed to do to win the match.

zicofirol
01-25-2009, 09:34 AM
some fedfans here are funny... THis was nothing more than a choke by berdych, thats it. IT wasn't an epic comeback it was an epic choke...

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:34 AM
Federer played well in the 5th set other than that he hung in there and took the chances when they came his way, he did what he needed to do to win the match.

Which is exactly why he is a 13-time slam champ and Berdych has 0.

zicofirol
01-25-2009, 09:35 AM
When you miss 3 easy volleys and yes they were easy volleys, this is a choke, it wasn't stupendously brilliant play from Federer and anyone who thinks so, doesn't know backhand from backyard.

Berdych didn't have that many unforced errors in the match, but what it doesn't tell you is when they occured and they were at very important parts of the match, especially when Berdych had momentum in his favour, so yes this classifies as a choke.

Federer played well in the 5th set other than that he hung in there and took the chances when they came his way, he did what he needed to do to win the match.

great minds great minds...

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 09:35 AM
some fedfans here are funny... THis was nothing more than a choke by berdych, thats it. IT wasn't an epic comeback it was an epic choke...

So you say.... I say it was an epic comeback, and Roger's roar at getting the double-break in the 5th said it all. I believe Roger's feeling about the match more then some random Rafatard.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 09:37 AM
First of all,I want to know the real and official definition of the word "choke" in tennis.
Well, the arbitrary definitions are multitudinous; almost infinite. On a serious note, "choke" has become a euphemistic way of describing any match which doesn't turn out the way people feel it should have. For instance, if someone's favorite plays a brilliant set or two, then suddenly anything less than a victory is defined as a choke rather than a letdown.

dijus
01-25-2009, 09:37 AM
So you say.... I say it was an epic comeback, and Roger's roar at getting the double-break in the 5th said it all. I believe Roger's feeling about the match more then some random Rafatard.

:haha: the funniest thing would be if you really believe in this total BS :haha:

scoobs
01-25-2009, 09:38 AM
Honestly the way Tomas was playing in those first 2 sets, nothing Roger could do but watch the winners whizz by. He simply got a bit lucky that Berdych tightened up in the 3rd set during that 7th game. Otherwise, Roger would be going home now as 3-set loser.
I think Roger is a better player and if he's got control over his own game he can disrupt a guy like Berdych from being able to just flash winners by for 2 sets and a bit.

silverarrows
01-25-2009, 09:38 AM
This argument will never end because almost every poster here has different definition and interpretation of the word "choke".

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 09:42 AM
This I don't completely agree with - thought Fed started off the match fairly shaky and did not look very sharp for much of the first two sets or so. He definitely settled down after that and then, IMO, really elevated his game in the last couple of sets.

I said very - not entirely, he is not a robot. And don't you think that was the result of Berdych game? Federer never changed any tactics, did not had a different game-plans on different stages of the match(except on serve, he had plenty of canny serves). I do quite agree with few people in here: Berdych did won the first two sets and comparing to that level of play he did lost the next 3.

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 09:42 AM
great minds great minds...

I think I can back my judgement on this, considering I was there in the stadium and had a good view of things develop and change pattern.

It's like Berdych played very well at the start and Roger wasn't allowed to play well, but he hung around, took his chances and was able to get the W, not hard to fathom.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 09:42 AM
When you miss 3 easy volleys and yes they were easy volleys, this is a choke, it wasn't stupendously brilliant play from Federer and anyone who thinks so, doesn't know backhand from backyard.

I understand that you're emotionally invested in Berdych's results, so I'll just assume that you're able to distinguish between a letdown and a so-called choke.

On a side note: I don't recall anyone having claimed that Roger played brilliantly to win the match. Thus, it seems a bit of a reach to cite that factor in support of your argument.

All chokes are letdowns, but not all letdowns are chokes.

zicofirol
01-25-2009, 09:43 AM
So you say.... I say it was an epic comeback, and Roger's roar at getting the double-break in the 5th said it all. I believe Roger's feeling about the match more then some random Rafatard.

Ahh yes... the common assumption of a fedtard you criticize federer your a rafatard... and its the same for the other way around...

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 09:45 AM
Honestly the way Tomas was playing in those first 2 sets, nothing Roger could do but watch the winners whizz by. He simply got a bit lucky that Berdych tightened up in the 3rd set during that 7th game. Otherwise, Roger would be going home now as 3-set loser.

It is quite pleasing seeing you being objective. :yeah:

zicofirol
01-25-2009, 09:45 AM
I think I can back my judgement on this, considering I was there in the stadium and had a good view of things develop and change pattern.

It's like Berdych played very well at the start and Roger wasn't allowed to play well, but he hung around, took his chances and was able to get the W, not hard to fathom.

I still think it was a choke, how Berdych lost is what matters and you hit it on the head he crumbled at the important points from the 3rd set on...

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 09:47 AM
I understand that you're emotionally invested in Berdych's results, so I'll just assume that you're able to distinguish between a letdown and a so-called choke.

On a side note: I don't recall anyone having claimed that Roger played brilliantly to win the match. Thus, it seems a bit of a reach to cite that in support of your argument.

All chokes are letdowns, but not all letdowns are chokes.

I understand you are being a prick, but I deal with that and respect that. I don't get emotional over results, that would be be people like FedFan_2007, who contemplated suicide, if Fed lost the number 1 ranking and didn't follow through.

I am a Gaudio fan, I think I know what a choke is. Nice try, but if people deny Berdych tightened up, when you are missing shots at vital points in a match, and missing them clearly and weren't doing that before, that is not a letdown.

Most people on MTF think a choke, is when a player loses the toss of a coin. If you want a serious discussion, then let me know, but I know you are just yanking the chain.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 09:49 AM
It's like Berdych played very well at the start and Roger wasn't allowed to play well.
Interesting. We must have seen two different matches -- or so it seems. Based on this logic, Roger hasn't been "allowed" to play well for the last 12 months, given the ubiquitous presence of his erratic forehand, which was on display throughout this match.

dijus
01-25-2009, 09:49 AM
I understand that you're emotionally invested in Berdych's results, so I'll just assume that you're able to distinguish between a letdown and a so-called choke.

On a side note: I don't recall anyone having claimed that Roger played brilliantly to win the match. Thus, it seems a bit of a reach to cite that factor in support of your argument.

All chokes are letdowns, but not all letdowns are chokes.

:lol:

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Interesting. We must have seen two different matches -- or so it seems. Based on this logic, Roger hasn't been "allowed" to play well for the last 12 months, given the ubiquitous presence of his erratic forehand, which was on display throughout this match.

I forgot Roger played well against Safin, give it up.

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 09:51 AM
I can't agree with you there, there is no way to tell how that might ended. Winning that game might have brought back the confidence he got in first two sets and make Federer a bit more nervous. Sometimes that is all it takes to win or lose a match.

It would have been that way, I don't challenge it. It would have been 6-4 7-6 6-3 if Berdych won 7th game but it would have been also as it is, so 4-6 6-7 6-4 6-4 6-2. It's pointless to persistent what would've been if some things changed itself in the past. I'm only saying that Berdych wasn't very close to win this match. He choked or not - it's a neverending discussion like in many other cases, all depends how we interpret the words. I say it wasn't a choke, someone says "it was a choke" and I don't see any problem with a different opinion than mine, for the reason I was talking about earlier. Therefore I don't consider as a good way to make a personal trip toward me, as that person with nick MII (something) did.

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 09:51 AM
It's like Berdych played very well at the start and Roger wasn't allowed to play well, but he hung around, took his chances and was able to get the W, not hard to fathom.

:yeah:

Eden
01-25-2009, 09:52 AM
I didn't expected that Roger would struggle so much with Tomas, although they already had a few tight sets in the past which could have gone either way.

Hopefully the first two sets give Tomas the confidence for the rest of the season. It would be great to see him having good results this year :)

Congrats to Roger for the victory :)

Mechlan
01-25-2009, 09:53 AM
Glad Roger got the W, that's all that matters in the end. He's capable of playing great and strewing errors the next match, 2008 showed us that. If he brings his best he has a shot at this title, if not, well, there are several other candidates as well.

dijus
01-25-2009, 09:59 AM
It would have been that way, I don't challenge it. It would have been 6-4 7-6 6-3 if Berdych won 7th game but it would have been also as it is, so 4-6 6-7 6-4 6-4 6-2. It's pointless to persistent what would've been if some things changed itself in the past. I'm only saying that Berdych wasn't very close to win this match. He choked or not - it's a neverending discussion like in many other cases, all depends how we interpret the words. I say it wasn't a choke, someone says "it was a choke" and I don't see any problem with a different opinion than mine, for the reason I was talking about earlier. Therefore I don't consider as a good way to make a personal trip toward me, as that person with nick MII (something) did.

Voo, I respect you and your maniacal stats obssesion, but how can you write such bullshit like Berdych was not very close to win this match and did not choke in 3rd set?

HeretiC
01-25-2009, 10:03 AM
I say it wasn't a choke, someone says "it was a choke" and I don't see any problem with a different opinion than mine, for the reason I was talking about earlier.

I did not use the "choke" term simply because pepole are comprehending that word differently. Berdych had a game, a result and a momentum in his favor. And he crumbled... Not going into definition if that is a choke or not.

GlennMirnyi
01-25-2009, 10:03 AM
Berdych wasn't ever a break up in the third, never had MP, never served for the match.

He didn't choke.

silverarrows
01-25-2009, 10:04 AM
I have a question. If a player was not even close to winning the match, and all of a sudden he makes plenty of errors, is it officially defined as "choke"???

Commander Data
01-25-2009, 10:04 AM
People get over it. Fed won. end of story.choke, no choke..nobody cares next sunday. Lets move on...to the final that is :D

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 10:05 AM
It is quite pleasing seeing you being objective. :yeah:

You know I do have eyes and I can admit when one player is playing flat out better then Roger. Heck, I'm even willing to admit that Berdych is more talented physically speaking but lacking the brains to be a champion.

Kuhne
01-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Don't really come to this place anymore cos the place has gone from being a tennis forum to a gay anal sexfest but I just come here to say that Fed will win his 14th grand slam and whoever thought he was going to lose here and got his hopes up after fed lost the second set.. please mail me your tears, I want to taste them.. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS hahhaahahahahahah fuckers bye

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 10:05 AM
Voo, I respect you and your maniacal stats obssesion, but how can you write such bullshit like Berdych was not very close to win this match and did not choke in 3rd set?

I've written earlier why. He was close, not very close, and my opinion isn't authoritarian because there are things we can't measure. What can I say more? People have different sense of time, and also different sense of distances. Something what's close for one person, is far for the other, it's a normal life thing :shrug:

dijus
01-25-2009, 10:07 AM
Berdych wasn't ever a break up in the third, never had MP, never served for the match.

He didn't choke.

did you watch the match, Gu?

Corey Feldman
01-25-2009, 10:07 AM
to choke or not to choke, that is the question.

someone make a poll

finishingmove
01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Don't really come to this place anymore cos the place has gone from being a tennis forum to a gay anal sexfest but I just come here to say that Fed will win his 14th grand slam and whoever thought he was going to lose here and got his hopes up after fed lost the second set.. please mail me your tears, I want to taste them.. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS hahhaahahahahahah fuckers bye

good to hear that, champ.

silverarrows
01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
still no answer to my question... :wavey:

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
I have a question. If a player was not even close to winning the match, and all of a sudden he makes a plenty of errors, is it officially defined as "choke"???

Interpret it how you want. If you make 3 or 4 basic errors, yes schoolboy errors when it's your break point, or game point and the like, considering it's a big time in the match.

If the opponent hits 3 or 4 clean winners, then it's not exactly a choke or tightening up is it? Got to look at each individual situation differently.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
I forgot Roger played well against Safin, give it up.
Are you going to discuss the merits of your claim that Berdych choked or continue inundating me with non sequitur after non sequitur ? Another interesting detail is this notion that one player is "dominating" another by merely exchanging breaks (Federer was broken twice in the 2nd set after having broken Berdych twice (failure to consolidate) and also managed to retrieve one of the two breaks in the 1st set).

Berdych certainly played good tennis at times, but there was never a point when he was "dominating" the match. Although there was a point during which he proceeded to punish poorly and repetitiously placed second serves, followed by more than a dozen (easily) forehand errors on the part of his opponent, which culminated in a second set win following a closely fought tiebreak.

The moral of the story ? He played brilliantly and his opponent played atrociously, yet he only managed to sneak away with two sets. There's nothing in such a scenario that would suggest he was "disallowing" Roger to play well.

It's the same story (or should I say nightmare) that so many Federer supporters have been living for the past 12 months.

rwn
01-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Maybe if the crowd boos Djokovic again and if Murray doesn't get a deserved day of rest, Fed might have another shot :cool:

If someone can´t handle those situations he doesn´t deserve to win. As simple as that.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 10:11 AM
Just realized that no one seems to have posted any stats from this match yet... Looking at the numbers, perhaps Federer wasn't playing as poorly as he appeared to me early on - it was Berdych's blistering shots that made him look so bad :confused: Overall it was actually a fairly even and high quality match, which is why I reject the notion that the final result was due only to one player's actions.

Berdych vs. Federer

1st Srv: 61% vs. 67%
Aces: 8 vs. 20
DFs: 2 vs. 5
UEs: 42 vs. 40
1st Srv: 71% vs. 71 %
2nd Srv: 46% vs. 46 %
Ws: 58 vs. 61
Recv. Pts: 59/159 37% vs. 59/151 39 %
BPs: 5/12 42% vs. 8/12 67 %
Net Pts: 28/56 50% vs. 24/35 69%
Total Pts: 151 vs. 159

The W/UE ratio by set is particularly telling IMO:

Ist: 11/3 vs. 13/13
2nd: 16/7 vs. 12/11
3rd: 9/13 vs. 12/4
4th: 19/11 vs. 13/3
5th: 3/8 vs. 11/9

Of course the 'official' numbers still have some margin for error but, overall, they seem to paint a different picture of this match than what most here (even myself at times) are trying to create.

shawshank
01-25-2009, 10:12 AM
First 2 sets Roger didnt show up. Third set Berdick handed the match to Roger on a platter. End of story.

Wasn't he supposed to win AO without losing a single set?

Voo de Mar
01-25-2009, 10:13 AM
to choke or not to choke, that is the question.

someone make a poll

:spit:

GlennMirnyi
01-25-2009, 10:18 AM
did you watch the match, Gu?

Yeah. Every point of it, except for a few points where ESPN lost the signal late in the fourth set.

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 10:18 AM
Are you going to discuss the merits of your claim that Berdych choked or continue inundating me with non sequitur after non sequitur ? Another interesting detail is this notion that one player is "dominating" another by exchanging breaks (Federer was broken twice in the 2nd set after having broken Berdych and also managed to retrieve one of the two breaks in the 1st set).

Berdych certainly played good tennis at times, but there was never a point when he was "dominating" the match. Although there was a point during which he proceeded to punish poorly and repetitiously placed second serves, followed by more than a dozen (easily) forehand errors on the part of his opponent, which culminated in a second set win following a closely fought tiebreak.

The moral of the story ? He played brilliantly and his opponent played atrociously, yet he only managed to sneak out with two sets. There's nothing in such a scenario that would suggest he was "disallowing" Roger to play well.

I have already explained how Berdych got tight and played the big points poorly when in a position if good enough to take the match in 3 sets, but he wasn't good enough to do so. Did he capitalise on his excellent lead up work in those rallies, where he had Federer in defensive positions, begging for the easy put away. No, he didn't do that and wasn't good enough to do that, therefore he got the result he deserved.

If it wasn't because of Federer's excellent or brilliant play in this important stage of the match, then what was it then? Berdych was playing at an excellent level in the first 2 sets, if he wasn't, then his winner to unforced ratio would have been a lot lower than it was, especially coming from an aggressive player or do you want to dispute that as well, but this being said, it doesn't tell you when the errors were made, hence the timing of them is important and many of them were at big points in the match.

In other words, there was excellent lead up work, with no end product.

Roger hasn't been "allowed" to play well for the last 12 months and forgetting that he played very well against Safin in his last match, selective memory and that US Open final as well against Murray.

DrJules
01-25-2009, 10:31 AM
When you miss 3 easy volleys and yes they were easy volleys, this is a choke, it wasn't stupendously brilliant play from Federer and anyone who thinks so, doesn't know backhand from backyard.

Berdych didn't have that many unforced errors in the match, but what it doesn't tell you is when they occured and they were at very important parts of the match, especially when Berdych had momentum in his favour, so yes this classifies as a choke.

Federer played well in the 5th set other than that he hung in there and took the chances when they came his way, he did what he needed to do to win the match.

The winner to unforced errors defined the match for Federer and from set 3 he played very well:

1st set: 13 winners, 13 unforced errors
2nd set: 12 winners, 11 unforced errors
3rd set: 12 winners, 4 unforced errors
4th set: 13 winners, 3 unforced errors
5th set: 11 winners, 9 unforced errors

Federer started to win when he started to control the flow of unforced errors. 25 winners to 7 unforced errors in sets 3 and 4. It is the unforced error count which has caused Federer so many problems in the last year.

dijus
01-25-2009, 10:31 AM
Yeah. Every point of it, except for a few points where ESPN lost the signal late in the fourth set.

clearly choke in 7th game of 3rd set mate...

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 10:36 AM
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The winner to unforced errors defined the match for Federer and from set 3 he played very well:

1st set: 13 winners, 13 unforced errors
2nd set: 12 winners, 11 unforced errors
3rd set: 12 winners, 4 unforced errors
4th set: 13 winners, 3 unforced errors
5th set: 11 winners, 9 unforced errors

Federer started to win when he started to control the flow of unforced errors. 25 winners to 7 unforced errors in sets 3 and 4. It is the unforced error count which has caused Federer so many problems in the last year.

Fed is not losing from a double break up in a 5th set, so like I said, you have to look when those errors were made. Making a few at 40-0 or 15-40, then winning the game, the stats don't tell you that do they?

Berdych didn't finish what he started and Federer took advantage, never thought that because of Berdych's superior play in the first two sets, that Federer was pressed to go for more, it's something that Fed has been doing to opponents for years.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 10:36 AM
Roger hasn't been "allowed" to play well for the last 12 months and forgetting that he played very well against Safin in his last match, selective memory and that US Open final as well against Murray.
Allow me to clarify that, for the most part, Roger's movement has been mediocre and his forehand rather errant, although there have been exceptions to this rule -- lest we get lost in semantics, but for the most part, he's played poorly more often than not.

Berdych is not, and will not be, the last beneficiary of Roger's inconsistent forehand. In fact, I'd be willing to place a wager that before all is said and done, today's less-than-satisfactory performance will have been duplicated.

I think that what it boils down to is the hyperbolic usage of language. It does seem rather farfetched that people would use the term "choke" and suggest that a scoreline of 4-6, 6-7 somehow is indicative of one player imposing his will so forcefully as to shatter the will, and thus the game of his opponent.

Roger committed 22 errors (25 winners), while Berdych struck 27 winners (10 UFE) over the course of the first two sets, if people are so blind as to fail to see why these stats are significant, then I'm most likely fighting a futile battle.

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 10:39 AM
Wasn't he supposed to win AO without losing a single set?

No, that's Andy Murray.

ballbasher101
01-25-2009, 10:40 AM
Glad Federer pulled through, watching Federer nowadays requires nerves of steel.

DrJules
01-25-2009, 10:41 AM
Fed is not losing from a double break up in a 5th set, so like I said, you have to look when those errors were made. Making a few at 40-0 or 15-40, then winning the game, the stats don't tell you that do they?

Berdych didn't finish what he started and Federer took advantage, never thought that because of Berdych's superior play in the first two sets, that Federer was pressed to go for more, it's something that Fed has been doing to opponents for years.

I feel that Federer shows less patience in the last year and has tried to shorten points too quickly with too many over attacking shots. His dominant period was based on more controlled aggression relying on this court coverage to stay in points and playing the percentages better.

bandabou
01-25-2009, 10:41 AM
:lol: Ok, so Berdych choked..does that make the Fed-haters feel any better?! A w is a w..period!

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 10:41 AM
I think that what it boils down to is the hyperbolic usage of language. It does seem rather farfetched that people would use the term "choke" and suggest that a scoreline of 4-6, 6-7 somehow is indicative of one player imposing his will so forcefully as to shatter the will, and thus the game of his opponent.

Talking of hyperbole... :rolleyes: I don't think anyone's suggesting that, rather that Berdych was in a comfortable position, and outplaying his opponent, then mentally cracked.

Action Jackson
01-25-2009, 10:49 AM
Allow me to clarify that, for the most part, Roger's movement has been mediocre and his forehand rather errant, although there have been exceptions to this rule -- lest we get lost in semantics, but for the most part, he's played poorly more often than not.

Berdych is not, and will not be, the last beneficiary of Roger's inconsistent forehand. In fact, I'd be willing to place a wager that before all is said and done, today's less-than-satisfactory performance will have been duplicated.

I think that what it boils down to is the hyperbolic usage of language. It does seem rather farfetched that people would use the term "choke" and suggest that a scoreline of 4-6, 6-7 somehow is indicative of one player imposing his will so forcefully as to shatter the will, and thus the game of his opponent.

Roger committed 22 errors (25 winners), while Berdych struck 27 winners (10 UFE) over the course of the first two sets, if people are so blind as to see why these stats are significant, then I'm most likely fighting a futile battle.

It's not like Roger gets thrashed at regular intervals, by people other than Nadal on clay. But like I have said numerous times already, it actually matters when you make the unforced errors and in that 3rd set which Berdych needed to take, especially when they were having breakathon and had chances to consolidate a lead, but wooden forehand volley clearly wide, and it was not because of a shoelace ripping forehands.

He isn't as good as he was, it happens, but still good enough to win today.

GlennMirnyi
01-25-2009, 10:51 AM
clearly choke in 7th game of 3rd set mate...

Nah, he just went back to his normal level.

prima donna
01-25-2009, 10:53 AM
Talking of hyperbole... :rolleyes: I don't think anyone's suggesting that, rather that Berdych was in a comfortable position, and outplaying his opponent, then mentally cracked.
No. He made a few errors, but easily could have broken back (as he had done in the previous two sets) or even redeemed himself in the 4th set, as he was still enjoying a rather comfortable lead at this stage. It just didn't happen. There was no choking involved.

We're creating a precedence which would essentially justify using the word "choke" as a way to interpret any sort of failure. Admittedly, it was a gargantuan letdown, however all this talk of choking is sheer hyperbole.

rafa_maniac
01-25-2009, 10:58 AM
No. He made a few errors, but easily could have broken back (as he had done in the previous two sets) or even redeemed himself in the 4th set, as he was still enjoying a rather comfortable lead at this stage. It just didn't happen. There was no choking involved.

We're creating a precedence which would essentially justify using the word "choke" as a way to interpret any sort of failure. Admittedly, it was a gargantuan letdown, however all this talk of choking is sheer hyperbole.

A few errors? Honestly, this just comes off as sticking your head in the sand. He made about half a dozen of the most laughable UEs you will ever see in professional men's tennis. End of. That's called choking. Not mentally being able to deal with being in a commanding position in a match. AT THAT POINT it had nothing to do with Berdych simply losing, or Federer simply winning as with the 4th and 5th sets which I agree had nothing to do with choking.

GlennMirnyi
01-25-2009, 10:59 AM
Choking is what Nadull did against Simon in Madrid.

This is nowhere close.

End of story.

Next.

Aurora
01-25-2009, 11:05 AM
yes, Berdych didn't lose a big lead in points - just a slight mental edge: he didn't allow Federer to get his rhythm for 2 sets, it was gonna be tough either way to keep that from happening in the third and Roger stepped in.

For once I agree with Prima Donna and GlennMirnyi, this "choke" talk is getting ridiculous.

Berdych played well, but Federer slightly upped his level in the third while Berdych took a bit off - you have all seen it a thousand matches, it's called change of momentum.

Primus
01-25-2009, 11:06 AM
Choking is what Nadull did against Simon in Madrid.

This is nowhere close.

End of story.

Next.

Fail.

Eather you are a choker or you're not. Nadal proved zillion time he's the real deal. Everyone looses, even the best ones. So stop bitchin nonsense..

prima donna
01-25-2009, 11:08 AM
A few errors? Honestly, this just comes off as sticking your head in the sand. He made about half a dozen of the most laughable UEs you will ever see in professional men's tennis.
Presumably you're referring to the botched volleys in the 3rd set, correct ? Sure. Those were a few bad errors, but it happens. Actually, it seemed to follow the pattern of the match, inasmuch as both had been broken, for one reason or another, yet managed to break back.

It was that type of match, and no, Berdych did not commit "half a dozen" errors. He botched three volleys, went to his seat, came back and allowed Fed to serve his way into a 4th set. Simple as that.

Once again, it was a letdown of epic proportions, but there was no choking involved, and even if such were the case, one would have to ignore the fact that Berdych managed to lose the 4th set (after being up 30-0 on Roger's serve near the end of the set) and then faded away into obscurity in the 5th set.

dijus
01-25-2009, 11:08 AM
Choking is what Nadull did against Simon in Madrid.

This is nowhere close.

End of story.

Next.

will you grow up one day and finally stop trolling?

GlennMirnyi
01-25-2009, 11:13 AM
will you grow up one day and finally stop trolling?

:lol:

Trolling = saying Berdych choked.

Berdych just played two sets way above his usual level. Then his level dropped and he lost.

Choking... :rolleyes:

feuselino
01-25-2009, 11:15 AM
Puh, great comeback after being down 0-2. 4 down, 3 to go.

Andi-M
01-25-2009, 11:17 AM
Well done Berdych Just confirming what everbody already knew about you enjoy your slamless career ranked between 11 and 30.

dijus
01-25-2009, 11:18 AM
:lol:

Trolling = saying Berdych choked.

Berdych just played two sets way above his usual level. Then his level dropped and he lost.

Choking... :rolleyes:

yeah, those easy volleys and smash missed were just Fedex magic, weren't they? :rolleyes:
Berdych lost that match, not Fedex won it

shawshank
01-25-2009, 11:20 AM
Choking is what Nadull did against Simon in Madrid.

This is nowhere close.

End of story.

Next.

Can't you see that Rafa is the only player on the tour who never choke? If the match is really tight, he will always win it! He never looses a set while leading with a break. And I undestand that this must hurt you, it's ok!:devil:

MatchFederer
01-25-2009, 11:20 AM
Ladies and gentleman, it is quite simple.


The facts are this:

Berdych choked away a GAME.

Berdych did NOT choke away the match.

Federer's level of play steadily improved throughout the match which coincided with...

Berdych's drop in level from God like to human.

The only contestable point is...

Did Berdych just choke away a game or can it be reasonably argued that it was a set, but even here he was to my mind too far away from the winning post for it to be called choking the set away.

shawshank
01-25-2009, 11:27 AM
Ladies and gentleman, it is quite simple.


The facts are this:

Berdych choked away a GAME.

Berdych did NOT choke away the match.

Federer's level of play steadily improved throughout the match which coincided with...

Berdych's drop in level from God like to human.

The only contestable point is...

Did Berdych just choke away a game or can it be reasonably argued that it was a set, but even here he was to my mind too far away from the winning post for it to be called choking the set away.

That's 100% true!

Certinfy
01-25-2009, 11:36 AM
Great 2 sets by Berdych, blew me away, then that game in the 3rd with the volleys and smash ruined it for him.

By anyway if Berdych can play the way he did in the 1st 2 sets constantly, it would be interesting.

raffiki
01-25-2009, 11:39 AM
Federer has beaten Berdych the last 7 times they've met. Berdych only managed to win one set out of those 7 matches. The fact he pushed Federer to 5 sets shows how well Berdych was playing in the first couple of sets, and how badly Federer was playing. Berdych didn't choke away the match at all. He needs to go away and practice at the net! But his attitude THROUGHOUT the match was positive, and not that of a choker. The last game of the match he played very positively, and still believed he had a chance of winning.

Great win for Federer though. Just worried about the first couple of sets as it didn't look as though his heart was in it...

Mateya
01-25-2009, 11:40 AM
Expected result if I take out first two sets :spit: :spit:

Berdych should play like this more often.

Nidhogg
01-25-2009, 11:41 AM
Berdych sure knows how to generate pace with his forehand. Lucky one for Fed, even though he did well to reduce his UE's while Tomas started to hit more of them.

ReturnWinner
01-25-2009, 11:52 AM
Berdych wasted the whole match in 3-3 in the second :rolleyes:
wasting four game points and hitting many ues , with two stupid errors like that overhead missed , that was the turning point.
he was outplaying Fedmug until there.

Rumour
01-25-2009, 12:00 PM
I have a question. If a player was not even close to winning the match, and all of a sudden he makes plenty of errors, is it officially defined as "choke"???
If you make 3 or 4 basic errors, yes schoolboy errors when it's your break point, or game point and the like, considering it's a big time in the match.
Assuming you're referring to that Berdych service game in the middle of the third set, no one would disagree that losing it from 40-0 up the way he did was a choke in that specific situation. However, can anyone claim without a doubt that it alone was what cost him the match as a whole? What if it had happened at the start of the set or was switched with the earlier break? Now if it had happened at 5-5 the 'overall match choke' argument would have real merit in my view.

To me, a choke that costs a player an entire match - as opposed to a game or set - happens when he clearly controls his own destiny regarding the final outcome. In other words, the match is on his racquet and he actually has a chance to end it with a single shot or the next handful, particularly on serve but also when able to get the ball in play on BPs or when the opponent must hold to stay alive. The other player has to either hit a winner or hope for/force an error just to remain in it, nothing else or it's all over.

A momentum swing on serve in the middle of a set, however huge, does not qualify IMO because it assumes that the opponent would inevitably have lost had the frontrunner not screwed up at that particular moment. Even if Berdych had successfully gotten out of that game, would he definitely have gone on to win? There are similar major turning points in practically every match that occur at various times, including the first set, where certain people are convinced that if Player X had only made that one shot or avoided those couple of UEs, he would absolutely have won it.

To me, it's about a combination encompassing attitude e.g. arguing calls, cursing, bowed head or slumped shoulders; magnitude e.g. blowing a big lead on serve or numerous BPs); nature e.g. screwing up an easy peasy shot, especially if it's normally a strength; opponent e.g. sitting back vs. hitting clutch serves or winners; and timing e.g. end of set, consolidating a break, about to serve out the match. No question Federer was in deep trouble today and given a reprieve in the third set, but he also played an active part in his victory and didn't just pass the entire time being a spectator to Berdych's costly mistakes.

Monteque
01-25-2009, 12:31 PM
Not so many players that have experience leading 2 set to love to the guy name "ROGER". So thats why every brainless fed-haters here said Birdshit choked. Because they just want to blame the brilliance of Roger. They cant say Safin or Korolev choked because it was a clear win for Roger, and when Federer was down 2 sets and they have a zillion reasons to bitch around in here. Thats why this thread content is now reaching 17th page. They just cant hold their emotion looking Fed was so brilliant in the 2 previous games.


Can't you see that Rafa is the only player on the tour who never choke? If the match is really tight, he will always win it! He never looses a set while leading with a break. And I undestand that this must hurt you, it's ok!

So you are new in tennis. I said this must be hurt you.It's ok.

aussie_fan
01-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Yep, that game 7th game in the 3rd set everyone talks about, really cost him, missed some absoulte sitter. Roger slowly picked up his game as the match worn up but had of Tomas held his serve it could of been a different story.

Commander Data
01-25-2009, 12:39 PM
For me: A choke is when a player starts to play considerable worse on a match deciding moment because of mental problems and pressure. Birdman made some stupid UE in the 3rd on the other hand it didn't seemed like a mtach decinding moment then. There had been quite a few breaks alreqady in that 3rd set. So it was really not clear that the momentum would shift after that break. So I don't see a classic choke.

groundstroke
01-25-2009, 12:44 PM
Berdshit is unbelievable, he really does amaze you at times, at 2 sets down, everyone was thinking "When will Berdych choke?". That game in the 3rd set... criminal, it was terrible beyond belief how bad he played that game.

Then Federer used his experience, but Tomas throws away another match he really should have won..

Commander Data
01-25-2009, 12:45 PM
Fed's Game did't look very impressive though. He if plays anywhere near that level against Murray or Nadal he will get a spanking, already Roddick or Djoker would take him out. Will be interesting to see if he can indeed gear up now.

I hoped that Federer will return as a transformed player after the Offseason. But lets fact it; He is not the player he was 2 years ago. He is still good and I hope he breaks Sampras Slam record. But his game has become weaker. For me he is now the underdog when playing Murray/Nadal.

federernadalfan
01-25-2009, 12:51 PM
fed :woohoo: choke by birdman keeps you in the tournament

CescAndyKimi
01-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Federer will lose soon, let him waste all his energy getting past bird brains.

groundstroke
01-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Fed's Game did't look very impressive though. He if plays anywhere near that level against Murray or Nadal he will get a spanking, already Roddick or Djoker would take him out. Will be interesting to see if he can indeed gear up now.

I hoped that Federer will return as a transformed player after the Offseason. But lets fact it; He is not the player he was 2 years ago. He is still good and I hope he breaks Sampras Slam record. But his game has become weaker. For me he is now the underdog when playing Murray/Nadal.

Berdych has always had the potential to beat Federer, and he did it a couple of years back, and he's beaten Nadal too.

It's no surprise that Berdych took 2 sets, he really should be up there with the best of them.. but he chokes a lot, absolute headcase and today he proved it.

Federer cannot stay 23 or 24 forever, Federer with mono from AO 2008 would have lost this match, in this heat, but no, Federer took this and it's important for him to get more matches under his belt.

He'll beat Roboduck or Djokovic if they come up against him.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Keep the hate flowing, it just convinces me more that my position is correct.

dam0dred
01-25-2009, 01:22 PM
Great win and fight from Roger.

After the 5 setter against Andreev at last years US Open everone was predicting his demise there too. I wouldn't count him out yet. :)

Mansave_75
01-25-2009, 01:22 PM
Great done Roger, you're still a great champ. ;)

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 01:24 PM
The haters will continue to count him out, curse him and put him on the scrap pile. They are irrelevant.

Allez, Vamos, Adje and SPARTA!

habibko
01-25-2009, 01:25 PM
I just woke up (slept after the first two sets) and look what happened :lol:, glad he stayed there, I wouldn't have liked hearing Berdych GOAT trolling for the rest of the year, he is my most disliked player of all time :(

anyway good job Rog, happy Berdych didn't have what it takes to get the win in the end :banana: I highly doubt Federer will play this badly again in this tournament but it won't surprise me if he did and lost after this.

FedFan_2007
01-25-2009, 01:28 PM
Have faith, Roger will take the title.