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Charisma

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 08:53 PM
Charisma is this undefinable quality that can make or break interest in a player. McEnroe had it, Lendl didn't, and hence McEnroe is better remembered than Lendl even though Lendl was much more succesful. Agassi had it, Sampras didn't. Ashe had it, Borg had it, Becker had it, Rafter had it, Connors got more and more of it as he grew older. Edberg had it for some, not for others. Courier or Wilander arguably didn't have that much, and neither Stich or Kafelnikov. By contrast, somewhat lesser players like Noah, Leconte, or Ivanisevic had tons of it, and are, as a result, fondly rembered.

Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.

High: Federer (as a person he is actually not very charismatic, but his game his), Djokovic, Monfils, Gonzalez, Hewitt

Medium: Murray, Tsonga, Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake,

Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Ferrer

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 08:57 PM
Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.



Nadal isn't even close to being remotely charismatic.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:00 PM
Nadal isn't even close to being remotely charismatic.


I was only waiting for when this inevitable comment would arrive. Well, I disagree, sir, and I reckon so does most of the tennis world.

Arkulari
01-23-2009, 09:05 PM
I would say that Rafa is like Roger: very charismatic on court and people like them a lot because they are gentlemen (Rafa is a tad bit more shy than Roger but maybe that's because he's younger and doesn't speak english very well), but they aren't charismatic like Marat or Fabrice ;)

Very High: Tsonga, Safin, Santoro, Djoker (even if he usually does it in the wrong way, see USO against the Duck :p )
High: Roger, Rafa, Hewitt, Feli
Medium: Roddick, Murray, Simon
Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Wawrinka

dusk
01-23-2009, 09:06 PM
Charisma is this undefinable quality that can make or break interest in a player. McEnroe had it, Lendl didn't, and hence McEnroe is better remembered than Lendl even though Lendl was much more succesful. Agassi had it, Sampras didn't. Ashe had it, Borg had it, Becker had it, Connors got more and more of it as he grew older. Edberg had it for some, not for others. Courier or Wilander arguably didn't have that much, and neither Stich or Kafelnikov. By contrast, somewhat lesser players like Noah, Leconte or Ivanisevic had tons of it, and are, as a result, fondly rembered.

Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.

High: Federer (as a person he is actually not very charismatic, but his game his), Djokovic, Murray, Monfils, Gonzalez, Hewitt

Medium: Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake, Tsonga

Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Ferrer
I agree with all except for two.
Blake=Low
Tsonga=Very high

Velocifero
01-23-2009, 09:08 PM
imo Tsonga has a huge charisma , just look at how the public reacts when he wins a point etc... he knows how to play with the public

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:08 PM
I agree with all except for two.
Blake=Low
Tsonga=Very high

Fine as regards Blake; but Tsonga's charisma is kinda borrowed because he looks like Ali -- who was of course one of the most charismatic sportspersons ever.

LocoPorElTenis
01-23-2009, 09:09 PM
Tsonga is very charismatic, both the guy and the game.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:09 PM
imo Tsonga has a huge charisma , just look at how the public reacts when he wins a point etc... he knows how to play with the public

OK, you already outnumber me... ;)

partygirl
01-23-2009, 09:09 PM
I think Roger is extremely charismatic as a person.

In all honesty i don't know how a person can not be charismatic but have a game that is.:scratch::shrug:

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:10 PM
I think Roger is extremely charismatic as a person.

In all honesty i don't know how a person can not be charismatic but have a game that is.:scratch:shrug:

I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.

dusk
01-23-2009, 09:12 PM
I would add Robredo to "low" group.

oranges
01-23-2009, 09:13 PM
I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma. :shrug:

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 09:14 PM
Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma. :shrug:

:) I agree entirely. And his interviews are among the most dull as well.

partygirl
01-23-2009, 09:15 PM
I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.Maybe he is just boring then.:p

I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma. :shrug:This is true.

JMG
01-23-2009, 09:15 PM
High: Tsonga, Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Stepanek, Burgsmüller
Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Wawrinka, Robredo, Federer, Mayer

crude oil
01-23-2009, 09:15 PM
murray and charisma dont go together...he's a good players but a depressing fellow.

GlennMirnyi
01-23-2009, 09:15 PM
Nadull is, as his name says, dull. Completely dull. His face has that blank, dull expression, that shows he probably doesn't have much inside the head.

Tsonga is charismatic. He's the new Safin, charisma-wise, minus the crybabiness.

dusk
01-23-2009, 09:16 PM
I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma. :shrug:

I remember that Nadal has been attracting crowd since he showed up on ATP. He's definitely not as charismatic as Tsonga, Baghdatis etc, but he never lacked teh crowd. Perhaps it's his looks.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:17 PM
I also don't consider Nadal particularly charismatic. You think he would be liked as much if he had poorer results? Charismatic guys - Baghdatis, Tsonga, attract crowd support like crazy wherever they go, without necessarily having outstanding results. Success can do wonders to attract fans, but it's not necessarily a sign of charisma. :shrug:

Well,charisma, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I find Nadal very charismatic, his emotional intensity is on a level with McEnroe or Becker, but instead of swearing it finds its expression in cleaning lines, arranging water bottles, pulling his pants, you name it.

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 09:19 PM
pulling his pants

...

biological
01-23-2009, 09:20 PM
I reckon Roger's very charismatic when he goes all silly and giggles and is generally adorable. The Basel (07?) interview where he couldn't stop laughing, for example.

Santoro of course :yeah:

GlennMirnyi
01-23-2009, 09:26 PM
murray and charisma dont go together...he's a good players but a depressing fellow.

Miserable git is the correct term. :p

oranges
01-23-2009, 09:30 PM
Well,charisma, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I find Nadal very charismatic, his emotional intensity is on a level with McEnroe or Becker, but instead of swearing it finds its expression in cleaning lines, arranging water bottles, pulling his pants, you name it.

:lol: You're not seriously suggesting that arranging bottles and any similar ritual contributes to charisma? Emotional intensity - OK, but in ways he celebrates points and stuff, not his OCD. Still, I'd never put him anywhere near Tsonga, Safin or Marcos.

leng jai
01-23-2009, 09:30 PM
Nadull is not charismatic. The only reason he draws crowds is because of his ranking and the fact that his moonballing amazes clueless casual fans who know nothing about the game.

q.j.
01-23-2009, 09:35 PM
Nadull is not charismatic. The only reason he draws crowds is because of his ranking and the fact that his moonballing amazes clueless casual fans who know nothing about the game.

:lol:

soo true.

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 09:36 PM
Nadull is not charismatic. The only reason he draws crowds is because of his ranking and the fact that his moonballing amazes clueless casual fans who know nothing about the game.

Can't disagree with any of this.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:37 PM
:lol: You're not seriously suggesting that arranging bottles and any similar ritual contributes to charisma? Emotional intensity - OK, but in ways he celebrates points and stuff, not his OCD. Still, I'd never put him anywhere near Tsonga, Safin or Marcos.

I am. Eccentrics definitely contribute to charisma.

Bagdhatis, by contrast, I wouldn't rank terribly highly. He's fun but lacks stature. Not my type.

scarecrows
01-23-2009, 09:40 PM
I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.

and you're excited when nadal gives interviews?

richie21
01-23-2009, 09:41 PM
Very high: Tsonga,Djokovic,Monfils,Baghdatis

High: Stepanek(there has to be a reason why he can attract all those cute girls :eek:),Safin,Nadal,Roddick

Low: Federer,Nalbandian,Murray

Very low: Gasquet,Davydenko,Soderling

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:42 PM
and you're excited when nadal gives interviews?

No, but I don't fall asleep.

FedFan_2007
01-23-2009, 09:42 PM
Tsonga easily the most charismatic among the slam contenders. Santoro is the best.

Mateya
01-23-2009, 09:42 PM
In which group would you put Simon, PHM, Ferrero, Almagro and similar mugs? :)
Somewhere in the middle, imo.

leng jai
01-23-2009, 09:42 PM
and you're excited when nadal gives interviews?

Of course, no?

richie21
01-23-2009, 09:44 PM
In which group would you put Simon, PHM, Ferrero, Almagro and similar mugs? :)
Somewhere in the middle, imo.


Yeah i guess.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 09:44 PM
Of course, no?
:rolls: :lol: :rolls:

richie21
01-23-2009, 09:45 PM
Of course, no?


:haha::haha:

oranges
01-23-2009, 09:46 PM
I am. Eccentrics definitely contribute to charisma.

Bagdhatis, by contrast, I wouldn't rank terribly highly. He's fun but lacks stature. Not my type.

Well, it shouldn't be your type, but what truly attracts a considerable amount of people. I doubt you'll find many who'd pick bottles ritual or ass picking as the thing that wins them over even among Nadalettes. It has to be fun eccentricities, like Goran obsessively watching teletubbies to win Wimbledon :lol:

biological
01-23-2009, 09:50 PM
I don't find Tsonga charismatic so much as a bit irritating :shrug: But then I guess it's a subjective thing.

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 09:51 PM
Of course, no?

I just noticed your username sounds like the Cantonese way of saying handsome guy. Is this a coincidence?

Nathaliia
01-23-2009, 09:51 PM
leng jai has more charisma than Haas

MalwareDie, yes this is what his nickname means; his name is Adrian but he's Chinese living in Australia (oh, and I am his spokeswoman!)

maria_marie
01-23-2009, 09:55 PM
In which group would you put Simon, PHM, Ferrero, Almagro and similar mugs? :)
Somewhere in the middle, imo.

Almagro has NO charisma whatsoever. Kohlschreiber as well.

GlennMirnyi
01-23-2009, 09:57 PM
Of course, no?

Maybe, no?

habibko
01-23-2009, 09:58 PM
Nadull is not charismatic. The only reason he draws crowds is because of his ranking and the fact that his moonballing amazes clueless casual fans who know nothing about the game.

it has to do with his body and muscles too :o at least 80% of Nadal's fans are girls from what I see.

and you're excited when nadal gives interviews?

bull's eye, you just nailed it ;)

Federer's interviews are by far more interesting than Nadal's, maybe it has to do with the language, but even his translated Spanish interviews aren't too different, he just has to give his best no? and the most important thing is to feel good and play well no? and he has a tough opponent and he needs to play well no? not to mention he has to give his best no? and in the case he loses he doesn't feel very well no? has to continuing doing his best next time no? and if he loses the first set the match will complicate no?

Rafa has many things but Charisma is certainly not one of his traits.

scarecrows
01-23-2009, 10:03 PM
Federer's interviews are by far more interesting than Nadal's, maybe it has to do with the language, but even his translated Spanish interviews aren't too different, he just has to give his best no? and the most important thing is to feel good and play well no? and he has a tough opponent and he needs to play well no? not to mention he has to give his best no? and in the case he loses he doesn't feel very well no? has to continuing doing his best next time no? and if he loses the first set the match will complicate no?


maybe the guy doesnt fall asleep because he's counting the 'no's Nadal says.

Getta
01-23-2009, 10:13 PM
I don't find Tsonga charismatic so much as a bit irritating :shrug: But then I guess it's a subjective thing.

I also find Baghdatis a bit irritating. I'm not charmed by his "charisma", still Marcos managed to catch my attention for his game. So it's rather easy to ignore what really annoys me.

Henry Chinaski
01-23-2009, 10:19 PM
Charismatic: Gonzo, Gaudio, Tsonga, Baggy, Simon

can't really explain the last one. Like Henry said originally, it's indefinable.

vucina
01-23-2009, 10:27 PM
imo Tsonga has a huge charisma , just look at how the public reacts when he wins a point etc... he knows how to play with the public

Do you really think that was worthy of being your only post in over 3 years? Try harder in 2012.

rafa_maniac
01-23-2009, 10:33 PM
How predictable that this turned into a Fed vs Nadal thread :haha: To the OP, if you want a decent semi objective answer to this question you'd be better off polling the general public to find out who interests them and why, not the clowns on this forum.

Naranoc
01-23-2009, 10:35 PM
How predictable that this turned into a Fed vs Nadal thread :haha: To the OP, if you want a decent semi objective answer to this question you'd be better off polling the general public to find out who interests them and why, not the clowns on this forum.

How is it a Fed/Nadal thread? Only one poster drew a comparison between them.

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 10:38 PM
How is it a Fed/Nadal thread?

He/she is delusional. Apparently, having someone mention them in the same sentence automatically makes it a comparison thread.

green25814
01-23-2009, 10:41 PM
Federer is charismatic, he has an aura.

Nadal i dont find charismatic at all, (women seem to mistake his biceps for charisma) but im not a hater.

Tsonga is by far the most charismatic, with safin coming next. Murray on his day can make matches very emotional, but his dour scottish side is pretty notable. You could hardly call him flashy :p

Rafa_Fan
01-23-2009, 10:43 PM
On court I think has a decent amount of it. With the fist pumps and air jumping. But he is not up there with roddick and nadal though.

Henry Kaspar
01-23-2009, 10:50 PM
On court I think has a decent amount of it. With the fist pumps and air jumping. But he is not up there with roddick and nadal though.

Nadal > Federer >> Roddick, in my book.

I actually like Roddick, in interviews he's articulate and funny; but his predictable game, robot-like movements, stoic attitude, and daft baseball-cappy make him one of the less interesting players on-court for me.

LocoPorElTenis
01-23-2009, 10:51 PM
Among journeymen Delic is quite charismatic.

ORGASMATRON
01-23-2009, 11:00 PM
Stepanek, Isner, Murray, Anderson, Pavel, Granollers, Karanusic, De Voest, Berdych, Hewitt, etc.

GugaF1
01-23-2009, 11:17 PM
To say that Nadal is not charismatic is :retard:

Look at the attention the guy gets in each tournament from basically everyone. Tennis comentators, fans... go to youtube and see how many thousands tribute videos are there for him. From when he was a kid until now. People interested in his personal life, family, countless number of fans websites. About Half of the Avatars in here are sure to have something related to Nadal for good or bad.


Ranking hasn't got all to do with it. I remeber in 2004, the guy was ranked around the 40ties and there was already big time attention. His Davis Cup match with Roddick 2004 you had the feeling like he was like a top 5 player already. With all the buzz and comentators having orgasms about is potential.

Chrisma is such a vast term. I think Federer is charismatic and I don't find none of his interviews boring. He is just charismatic on a different aspect, more intelectual ,deep, thoughtful.. while Nadal is for his amazing simplicity. Both charismatic different ways. And like much of the players. There isnt just one way of being charismatic.

octatennis
01-23-2009, 11:20 PM
fed charismatic? you gotta be kidding me... take something into account, fed fans are going to say mono is the most charismatic so does nadal fans and then again with every single tard.

octatennis
01-23-2009, 11:23 PM
To say that Nadal is not charismatic is :retard:

Look at the attention the guy gets in each tournament from basically everyone. Tennis comentators, fans... go to youtube and see how many thousands tribute videos are there for him. From when he was a kid until now. People interested in his personal life, family, countless number of fans websites. About Half of the Avatars in here are sure to have something related to Nadal for good or bad.


Ranking hasn't got all to do with it. I remeber in 2004, the guy was ranked around the 40ties and there was already big time attention. His Davis Cup match with Roddick 2004 you had the feeling like he was like a top 5 player already. With all the buzz and comentators having orgasms about is potential.

Chrisma is such a vast term. I think Federer is charismatic and I don't find none of his interviews boring. He is just charismatic on a different aspect, more intelectual ,deep, thoughtful.. while Nadal is for his amazing simplicity. Both charismatic different ways. And like much of the players. There isnt just one way of being charismatic.


agree.

MrChopin
01-23-2009, 11:26 PM
I love to see him play but fall asleep when he gives an interview.

As a Nadal fan, I have to agree with this. Fed answers questions pretty much by the book, never deviating from things like "I have to play my best, no?" and "He is favorite, best player of all time."

Do you really think that was worthy of being your only post in over 3 years? Try harder in 2012.

Should have included a "Welcome to GM."

***

Safin is the most charismatic player. He's completely independent and yet wears his heart on his sleeve. That he has been a top 2 favorite here after not winning title since early '05 is proof of his unparalleled charisma.

ORGASMATRON
01-23-2009, 11:35 PM
Ok honestly i think guys with charisma is Safin, Nadal, Roger. Past players include Becker who had a scary big aura, Agassi and Noah. Im sure there is more then these.

green25814
01-23-2009, 11:37 PM
I think tsonga is more charismatic than safin, and im a fan of the guy.

GugaF1
01-23-2009, 11:45 PM
I think Kuerten had universal charisma appeal. To find someone who doesn't like him is as hard as to find a straight guy who doesn't appreciate a cute blond with nice brest and A$$. :angel:

Crazy Girl
01-23-2009, 11:49 PM
I think Kuerten had universal charisma appeal. To find someone who doesn't like him is as hard as to find a straight guy who doesn't appreciate a cute blond with nice brest and A$$. :angel::worship::worship::worship:

bokehlicious
01-23-2009, 11:50 PM
I think Kuerten had universal charisma appeal. To find someone who doesn't like him is as hard as to find a straight guy who doesn't appreciate a cute blond with nice brest and A$$. :angel:

I don't like Guga but am a straight guy who appreciates a cute blond with nice breast and ass :shrug:

vucina
01-23-2009, 11:56 PM
WTF is this P.A? Your sarcasm has reached new limits. Ajde Nole??? It's not funny at all, remove it.

GugaF1
01-23-2009, 11:57 PM
I don't like Guga but am a straight guy who appreciates a cute blond with nice breast and ass :shrug:



Well no offense, but by your usual comments in here which are somewhat quite odd about 99% of the time random. You still fit in the small category that I meant with the blond.
So don't sweat about it :wavey:

VolandriFan
01-24-2009, 12:00 AM
Hrbaty.

GlennMirnyi
01-24-2009, 12:04 AM
To say that Nadal is not charismatic is :retard:

Look at the attention the guy gets in each tournament from basically everyone. Tennis comentators, fans... go to youtube and see how many thousands tribute videos are there for him. From when he was a kid until now. People interested in his personal life, family, countless number of fans websites. About Half of the Avatars in here are sure to have something related to Nadal for good or bad.


Ranking hasn't got all to do with it. I remeber in 2004, the guy was ranked around the 40ties and there was already big time attention. His Davis Cup match with Roddick 2004 you had the feeling like he was like a top 5 player already. With all the buzz and comentators having orgasms about is potential.

Chrisma is such a vast term. I think Federer is charismatic and I don't find none of his interviews boring. He is just charismatic on a different aspect, more intelectual ,deep, thoughtful.. while Nadal is for his amazing simplicity. Both charismatic different ways. And like much of the players. There isnt just one way of being charismatic.

Mr. Bullshit strikes again.

He gets attention because he's high-ranked and because his game is so freaking bizarre. Crowds rarely cheer for him and actually mostly cheer against him, except in Spain. Only small children, women and Roddick-fans like Nadull.

All that buzz was fabricated by the Spanish press, as with everything that comes from there.

Charismatic = Safin. He goes to a tournament, ranked 60-something, plays shit, doesn't care and nobody says anything bad about him.

Crazy Girl
01-24-2009, 12:06 AM
Hrbaty.I'm not sure about charisma, he has a "positive charisma"...a sunny character...but surely Hrbaty is the most nice, kind, gentle, delicate, amusing and funny guy of atp!!! I adore him with all my heart! Fantastic Boy!!!!!:worship::worship::worship::worship:

partygirl
01-24-2009, 12:08 AM
women and Roddick-fans like Nadull.

No & No.
:p

nkhera1
01-24-2009, 12:11 AM
Federer's charisma hasn't translated well, at least from what I've seen, considering how dominant he has been . You rarely hear him mentioned in the same breath as Woods and others even though he was every bit as dominant. I think the Nadal Fed "rivalry" was good for both of them because it brought more exposure to both players, and now we are starting to hear more about Fed though it seems as if the press is becoming largely negative because he can "only" win one slam and make 2 other finals in a downyear (which just about every other player would trade for). Maybe that's why Nadal gets just as much if not more attention despite the fact that he still has a while to go to match all of Fed's accomplishments. I think also what helped Nadal was the whole sleeveless shirts and capri pants as well.

Roddickominator
01-24-2009, 12:12 AM
Nadal and Federer are both a complete bore. Fed is at least insightful in his interviews....but on court their personalities are dull and largely lifeless. A big reason why no one in America cares about tennis anymore. Roddick would be much more fun to watch if he were more of a jackass on court....wish he'd do the "TOO BIG" more often after big aces. I wish more players would play mind games like McEnroe did in his day...great stuff to watch and adds much drama and theater to matches.

GugaF1
01-24-2009, 12:18 AM
Mr. Bullshit strikes again.

He gets attention because he's high-ranked and because his game is so freaking bizarre. Crowds rarely cheer for him and actually mostly cheer against him, except in Spain. Only small children, women and Roddick-fans like Nadull.

All that buzz was fabricated by the Spanish press, as with everything that comes from there.

Charismatic = Safin. He goes to a tournament, ranked 60-something, plays shit, doesn't care and nobody says anything bad about him.

Lol Gustavo... You started watching tennis what 2005-6 If I remeber clearly from Orkut ? go spread your great "knowledge" in the tennis tip section "old tennis Wizard" Where your bull can fly with some first time lurkers. Spanish press... When you started watching tennis, Nadal was a high ranked player problably.

:haha:

There is no formula for charisma wise one. There are many types of charismas. Safin gets the "not caring" charimsa. While somone like Agassi got his charisma for the exact opposite, for his caring about everything surrounding the game. YOU don't think there is any good thing about Nadal or any of the players that you don't particularly like. It doesn't mean that the world outside of your mind is the same way. Get that? realize that there is a "world" outside of your likes and dislikes.

Ilovetheblues_86
01-24-2009, 12:23 AM
Söderling is the most charismatic, when he gets a prick and a detestable person, it´s formidable. BEST vile tennis mental crazy dude ever :worship:.

When Robredo tried to take that nude pics, was a move to get more charismatic :rolleyes::o

Ilovetheblues_86
01-24-2009, 12:29 AM
Federer's charisma hasn't translated well, at least from what I've seen, considering how dominant he has been . You rarely hear him mentioned in the same breath as Woods and others even though he was every bit as dominant. I think the Nadal Fed "rivalry" was good for both of them because it brought more exposure to both players, and now we are starting to hear more about Fed though it seems as if the press is becoming largely negative because he can "only" win one slam and make 2 other finals in a downyear (which just about every other player would trade for). Maybe that's why Nadal gets just as much if not more attention despite the fact that he still has a while to go to match all of Fed's accomplishments. I think also what helped Nadal was the whole sleeveless shirts and capri pants as well.

I agree, but charisma does not win games or give you money in sports, so it´s not an important thing for them since they are in the top :)

out_here_grindin
01-24-2009, 01:27 AM
I'd put Bahgdatis up on high.

Of the new kids on the block: Del Potro and Cilic are low. Gulbid is medium

The Freak
01-24-2009, 01:40 AM
Monfils, Tsonga, Nadal, Baghdatis, Safin, Hewitt, and Djokovic are the most charismatic on the court.

tennismaster882001
01-24-2009, 03:22 AM
Nadal charismatic? :haha:
Nice joke!

VolandriFan
01-24-2009, 03:28 AM
I'd put Bahgdatis up on high.

Of the new kids on the block: Del Potro and Cilic are low. Gulbid is medium

Del Potro is average, Cilic is low.

nkhera1
01-24-2009, 03:35 AM
I agree, but charisma does not win games or give you money in sports, so it´s not an important thing for them since they are in the top :)

It does give you endorsements which gives you a lot of money. I think Agassi had more endorsements than Sampras and he was perceived to be more charismatic even though Sampras was better.

Tutu
01-24-2009, 03:49 AM
I would say that Rafa is like Roger: very charismatic on court and people like them a lot because they are gentlemen (Rafa is a tad bit more shy than Roger but maybe that's because he's younger and doesn't speak english very well), but they aren't charismatic like Marat or Fabrice ;)

Very High: Tsonga, Safin, Santoro, Djoker (even if he usually does it in the wrong way, see USO against the Duck :p )
High: Roger, Rafa, Hewitt, Feli
Medium: Roddick, Murray, Simon
Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Wawrinka

OMG, :sobbing: Putting Simon and Roddick a having as littlemuch charisma as Murray just murders an otherwise OK post (bar where Nadal is placed). They are on opposite ends of the spectrum, both are great personalities whereas Murray is just. :yawn:

out_here_grindin
01-24-2009, 03:51 AM
I understand why a lot of you have Gasquet so low, but his game itself has more flair than most.

Arkulari
01-24-2009, 03:53 AM
richie's game is interesting, but he's a total headcase and that whole "tennis prodigy" is way engraved on his mind :unsure:

Cricketics
01-24-2009, 03:53 AM
damn, all my life i thought it was "Karizma" with "K"

Henry Kaspar
01-24-2009, 03:58 AM
I think Kuerten had universal charisma appeal. To find someone who doesn't like him is as hard as to find a straight guy who doesn't appreciate a cute blond with nice brest and A$$. :angel:

Agreed.

dam0dred
01-24-2009, 04:02 AM
I think Federer is very charismatic.

He's charming, well spoken, articulate. His behavior on the court speaks for itself and off the court - he may not garner headlines and intrigue like a Safin or Agassi but at the end of the day he's a class act and a gentleman and that to me is far more appealing.

I think he has been an incredible ambassador for the sport and whether you like him or not, its undeniable that tennis as a whole has been better off the last 5 years because of his presence.

Cricketics
01-24-2009, 04:05 AM
I think Federer is very charismatic.

He's charming, well spoken, articulate. His behavior on the court speaks for itself and off the court - he may not garner headlines and intrigue like a Safin or Agassi but at the end of the day he's a class act and a gentleman and that to me is far more appealing.

I think he has been an incredible ambassador for the sport and whether you like him or not, its undeniable that tennis as a whole has been better off the last 5 years because of his presence.

Agreed.

The thing which I like about him is that he doesn't do any OTT celebrations. Never loses his cool, never exaggerates anything.

Roger Perfect Federer.. take a bow :worship:

Nastasie
01-24-2009, 04:08 AM
I think Kuerten had universal charisma appeal. To find someone who doesn't like him is as hard as to find a straight guy who doesn't appreciate a cute blond with nice brest and A$$. :angel:

Guga is the GOAT of charisma. :worship:

Tsonga is the most charismatic player today. And if I am to be objective, then Safin has to be included up there with him.

dam0dred
01-24-2009, 04:12 AM
Agreed.

The thing which I like about him is that he doesn't do any OTT celebrations. Never loses his cool, never exaggerates anything.

Roger Perfect Federer.. take a bow :worship:

Well he's not perfect.

His bluntness often rubs people the wrong way and so he's seen as arrogant by a lot on this board, for example. But he's honest about how good he is and what he's achieved and what he expects to achieve, which is preferable to a bunch of false modesty crap which would have been very irritating and insincere in my opinion.

oranges
01-24-2009, 04:20 AM
richie's game is interesting, but he's a total headcase and that whole "tennis prodigy" is way engraved on his mind :unsure:

.. and what has anything in your comment have to do with having or not having charisma :)

Richie certainly has an attractive game, but he's a low key guy.

As for youngsters, I'd put Gulbis rather high, he has both the game and the personality. Marin is also low-key, though that might change more in the direction displayed during his match with Djokovic at the USO and I wouldn't be surprised if it won him quite a few new fans. Del Potro is not low key, but I don't find him charismatic either. Perhaps it will come off different as he grows older and get more relaxed in his new found rise to top players.

oranges
01-24-2009, 04:23 AM
Guga is the GOAT of charisma. :worship:

Tsonga is the most charismatic player today. And if I am to be objective, then Safin has to be included up there with him.

Guga is indeed a universally charismatic guy, can't help liking him kind :worship:

Arkulari
01-24-2009, 04:30 AM
.. and what has anything in your comment have to do with having or not having charisma :)


yeah, I realized I was only halfway there :lol:

there are big expectations and a huge pressure on richie, that has taken a toll on his mind and maybe that's why he's not as charismatic or extrovert as other players (namely Tsonga) are ;)

scarecrows
01-24-2009, 07:38 AM
Federer's charisma hasn't translated well, at least from what I've seen, considering how dominant he has been . You rarely hear him mentioned in the same breath as Woods and others even though he was every bit as dominant.

LOLAMERICA

of course he wont get the same headlines as Woods in american press
just like in Europe nobody gives a damn about Woods

FedFan_2007
01-24-2009, 07:44 AM
I never understood why anyone considers Tiger Woods to be "charismatic". He fist pumps and curses a lot. Roger is a true gentleman who manages to dominate at the same time. Now for those saying that Tiger's "killer mentality" allows him to win 3 career grand slams and Roger's 'gentleness' has stopped him at the French Open, well Tiger never had to deal with anything like Nadal in golf. In fact Harrington is the closest thing in golf to Nadal right now and he's come along quite late to have dented Tiger's GOAT status.

dusk
01-24-2009, 07:48 AM
I never understood why anyone considers Tiger Woods to be "charismatic". He fist pumps and curses a lot. Roger is a true gentleman who manages to dominate at the same time.
What's cursing/not cursing or being/not being a gentlemen, got to do with charisma?

nkhera1
01-24-2009, 07:59 AM
LOLAMERICA

of course he wont get the same headlines as Woods in american press
just like in Europe nobody gives a damn about Woods

That's why I said from what I've seen. And Woods must be doing alright in Europe considering he is getting $100+ million. I imagine Fed is making about a third to half of that in endorsements at his best case scenario. I don't think that difference is only due to one being American and one being European.

Modetopia
01-24-2009, 08:08 AM
and you're excited when nadal gives interviews?
such a good one.:haha:

marcRD
01-24-2009, 08:28 AM
From 1-10

10 Tsonga, Baghy

9 Safin, Santoro

8 Stepanek, Djokovic

7 Nadal, Federer

6 Monfils, Roddick, Del Potro

5 Gonzalez, Haas, Simon

4 Andreev, Lopez, Fish

3 Gasquet, Kohlschreiber, Nalbandian

2 Murray, Ljubicic

1 Davydenko, Söderling, Karlovic

0 Florent Serra

-10 Junqueira

nanoman
01-24-2009, 08:40 AM
That's why I said from what I've seen. And Woods must be doing alright in Europe considering he is getting $100+ million. I imagine Fed is making about a third to half of that in endorsements at his best case scenario. I don't think that difference is only due to one being American and one being European.

-Woods is an American
-Woods has got a better background story to build on: Black man winning in a white high society "sport".

That explains the $$$ he is getting.

nkhera1
01-24-2009, 08:42 AM
-Woods is an American
-Woods has got a better background story to build on: Black man winning in a white high society "sport".

That explains the $$$ he is getting.

Well those than become a part of his appeal or "charisma."

but-it's-ok
01-24-2009, 10:29 AM
I would say that Baggy,Jo,Nole,Ernests,Gilles,Gael,Fabrice,Igor Andreev,Marat,Roger,Rafa have the most charisma. Theres a lot of strong personalities right now, not so long ago many tennis commentators said there were no personalities in the game,so its heartening there is such an abundance of them now, the established ones, and the young ones coming up.

Most charismatic guy ever for me was Guga, drawing the heart in the clay at RG, the best moment I ever saw,the high fives he gave the fans there,sharing his joy with them,a lovely,genuine personality. I don't think I've ever seen anyone so happy to be playing tennis and enjoying being out there.

Dougie
01-24-2009, 12:42 PM
From 1-10

10 Tsonga, Baghy

9 Safin, Santoro

8 Stepanek, Djokovic

7 Nadal, Federer

6 Monfils, Roddick, Del Potro

5 Gonzalez, Haas, Simon

4 Andreev, Lopez, Fish

3 Gasquet, Kohlschreiber, Nalbandian

2 Murray, Ljubicic

1 Davydenko, Söderling, Karlovic

0 Florent Serra

-10 Junqueira

Stepanek is way too high on that list. There´s a difference between having charisma and being a clown. Sexy? Very. Charismatic? Not in a million years.

*Ljubica*
01-24-2009, 12:57 PM
Charisma is very subjective - but for what it's worth I would say.....

With charisma: Safin, Djokovic, Federer, Baghdatis, Tursunov, Gonzalez

Without: Karlovic, Muller, Davydenko, Murray, Ljubicic, Gasquet

GlennMirnyi
01-24-2009, 03:05 PM
Lol Gustavo... You started watching tennis what 2005-6 If I remeber clearly from Orkut ? go spread your great "knowledge" in the tennis tip section "old tennis Wizard" Where your bull can fly with some first time lurkers. Spanish press... When you started watching tennis, Nadal was a high ranked player problably.

:haha:

There is no formula for charisma wise one. There are many types of charismas. Safin gets the "not caring" charimsa. While somone like Agassi got his charisma for the exact opposite, for his caring about everything surrounding the game. YOU don't think there is any good thing about Nadal or any of the players that you don't particularly like. It doesn't mean that the world outside of your mind is the same way. Get that? realize that there is a "world" outside of your likes and dislikes.

Wrong. I've followed tennis since 1997 but it's not like my family always could give me TV to watch every tournament like I do since 2004. Stop with the bullshit.


Agassi isn't charismatic. He's just someone fabricated by the media.

So many people agree Nadull is dull as a rock. I rest my case.

You're just another top player fanboy.

A guy like Petzschner has more charisma in his toenails than Nadull has in his whole body.

GlennMirnyi
01-24-2009, 03:07 PM
Stepanek is way too high on that list. There´s a difference between having charisma and being a clown. Sexy? Very. Charismatic? Not in a million years.

Don't be blind. In Brisbane the crowd went nuts for him, when he won LA all the ballboys took a pic with him and the trophy. That's charisma.

shotgun
01-24-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't like Guga but am a straight guy who appreciates a cute blond with nice breast and ass :shrug:

Then again, had your mother beaten Federer you'd hate her too. ;)

oranges
01-24-2009, 03:44 PM
Then again, had your mother beaten Federer you'd hate her too. ;)

:haha: To the point

MalwareDie
01-24-2009, 06:23 PM
Nadal has no charisma. He's the complete opposite of charismatic.

tangerine_dream
01-24-2009, 07:07 PM
To me, charisma means that I can't take my eyes off of them for whatever reason. Guys like Baghdatis, Monfils, Safin, Kuerten, and Tsonga have this appeal.

People you love to hate are charismatic: Nadal :p , Roddick :nerner: , Murray, Djokovic, Hewitt, among others. The players who polarize fans the most are obviously charismatic; we can't stop talking about them or watching them or trashing them. There's a reason why nobody's polarized over truly boring people like Davydenko, Wawrinka, Ljubicic, Ferrer, and so many others.

Anybody who says Federer has no charisma has never seen him in person. He is far more impressive looking in person and has a very regal presence.

I find people like Gonzo to be very dynamic. I don't know what to make of Gasquet, some here say he has no charisma but I'm sure if he were to win a slam he' d suddenly look pretty good to you. Same with Blake.

betterthanhenman
01-24-2009, 07:09 PM
Lendl had charisma!

Crazy Girl
01-25-2009, 09:25 PM
To me, charisma means that I can't take my eyes off of them for whatever reason. :worship::yeah:

Anybody who says Federer has no charisma has never seen him in person. He is far more impressive looking in person and has a very regal presence.

:banana:Yes....Regal!!!

connectolove
01-25-2009, 11:57 PM
Charisma is this undefinable quality that can make or break interest in a player. McEnroe had it, Lendl didn't, and hence McEnroe is better remembered than Lendl even though Lendl was much more succesful. Agassi had it, Sampras didn't. Ashe had it, Borg had it, Becker had it, Rafter had it, Connors got more and more of it as he grew older. Edberg had it for some, not for others. Courier or Wilander arguably didn't have that much, and neither Stich or Kafelnikov. By contrast, somewhat lesser players like Noah, Leconte, or Ivanisevic had tons of it, and are, as a result, fondly rembered.

Here is how I see some of the current top dogs line up in terms of charisma:

Very high: Nadal, Safin.

High: Federer (as a person he is actually not very charismatic, but his game his), Djokovic, Monfils, Gonzalez, Hewitt

Medium: Murray, Tsonga, Roddick, Nalbandian, Blake,

Low: Davydenko, Gasquet, Ferrer

Medium Murray??? I'd say LOW

Low Ferrer??? I'd say HIGH

Safin ... high, not very high ...

Djokovic is an idiot, a little trailer trash as well as Safin.

Gasquet is cute and nice, I'd say medium to high on the charisma scale ...