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Nadal's path to title

kobulingam
01-22-2009, 03:15 AM
Haas > Gasquet/Gonzo > Simon/Monfils> Murray/Tsonga > Fed/Djok

Not happening folks.

Johnny Groove
01-22-2009, 03:21 AM
Haas > Gasquet/Gonzo > Simon/Tsonga > Murray > Fed/Djok

Not happening folks.

He is 44-16 against those mugs in your opening post :wavey:

RGK
01-22-2009, 03:22 AM
until Murray maybe only Simon can do something.

Fiberlight1
01-22-2009, 03:26 AM
Well... Tsonga would play Murray in the quarters? So I dont see how he'd play Tsonga or Simon.

Monfilis or Simon, maybe?

leng jai
01-22-2009, 03:28 AM
He will be Haasinated :banana:

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 03:29 AM
Haas was very, very good today, but he has a poor record against wee Nads. In particular, losing twice to him on the fast courts of Cincinatti, where Rafa really isn't that good.

El Legenda
01-22-2009, 03:37 AM
He is 44-16 against those mugs in your opening post :wavey:

whats the record on HC?

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 03:40 AM
Nadal has never beaten a top 14 player at a HC slam before. To win here he has to beat the 6th, the 4th and then the 1st/2nd. Not a hope.

MalwareDie
01-22-2009, 04:26 AM
Nadal's chances at winning a hard court slam will forever be zero.

lina_seta
01-22-2009, 05:11 AM
Nadal has never beaten a top 14 player at a HC slam before. To win here he has to beat the 6th, the 4th and then the 1st/2nd. Not a hope.

interesting

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 06:19 AM
He is 44-16 against those mugs in your opening post :wavey:

How much of that is on clay dufus?

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 06:20 AM
Nadal will be Haasinated, if he squeaks by then he will be Gonzaled in the 4th round! :banana:

jenanun
01-22-2009, 06:39 AM
How much of that is on clay dufus?

fyi

before nadal has to meet fed/djokovic, his hc h2h record against:

haas 3-0
gasquet 3-0
gonzalez 1-2
simon 2-1
tsonga 2-1
murray 3-1

total: 14-5


nadal beat haas, gasquet, gonzalez and tsonga in their last hc matches.


only federer and djokovic have a +ve hc h2h record against nadal which is 3-2 and 4-3 respectively

jenanun
01-22-2009, 06:41 AM
Nadal's chances at winning a hard court slam will forever be zero.

of course! totally agree.

like when people said nadal would never be no.1 or winning wimbledon....

buzz
01-22-2009, 07:49 AM
of course! totally agree.

like when people said nadal would never be no.1 or winning wimbledon....

I agree, Nadal breaks MTF Laws:(

Machiavelli
01-22-2009, 07:52 AM
Haas will take him out easily....

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 10:11 AM
Id be really surprised if Rafa wins a hard court slam.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 10:22 AM
of course! totally agree.

like when people said nadal would never be no.1 or winning wimbledon....

He was very close on favourite before he won Wimbledon this year.

rafa_maniac
01-22-2009, 10:38 AM
He was very close on favourite before he won Wimbledon this year.

And how many people thought Nadal would ever get CLOSE to a Wimbledon final going into that tournament in 2006? That said, I really don't see Rafa winning this tournament, I'll be satisfied if he can just defend his points, which will be difficult enough.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 10:44 AM
And how many people thought Nadal would ever get CLOSE to a Wimbledon final going into that tournament in 2006?

Sure, very few. However I'm not sure that's too useful, he was only 19/20 at the time, had missed a year through injury, and was facing the Fed in his prime.

It's now 2.5 years later - he really doesn't have that long to improve at hard court slams. Yeah, it might come out of nowhere, but frankly up till now he's demonstrated absolutely nothing against decent players.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 10:48 AM
Rafa is too one dimensional, he wont even be nr 1 for very long.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 10:53 AM
Can't agree with that - he does well at Wimbledon, he hoovers up almost all the clay points, and gets a fair dose of points from hard court masters (especially the slower ones like Indian Wells and this year's Toronto). With 4 guys splitting the hard court points but no-one doing the same on clay, it's going to be very hard for anyone to unseat him.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:13 AM
Well thats just the thing, there is 4 guys thats btter then him on hard, at least four anyway. And its not like he owns wimby, if he wins wimby again he can stay there but that wont be so easy.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Well thats just the thing, there is 4 guys thats btter then him on hard, at least four anyway.

At hard court slams, yes. At masters? He may not be "best", but he has consistency and more intensity than anyone else on tour. look at his hc/indoors record:

2008: won Canada, final miami, semis IW/madrid/cinci2007
2007: won IW, final paris, semis canada
2006: his worst, only semis IW (absent paris)
2005: won madrid and canada, final miami (absent paris)


That's a lot of points, considering he's made the final of Wimbledon every year, wins Roland Garros, and tends to win Monte Carlo/Rome as well (and occasionally Hamburg/Barcelona for good measure).

To counter that an opponent has to probably win 2 slams and dominate the non-clay masters. Federer isn't going to do that anymore, he's more or less given up on masters since 06 (only won cinci) - they're just training events for the slams.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:28 AM
I just dont think Nadal is a very worthy number one, he is too one dimensional. Last year he had an amazing year so he deserved it but i seriously doubt he'll have another year like that. There is just too many good guys now. I think Roger will take back the number one ranking this year. He should win two slams and that would be enough points to do it.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:37 AM
There should be a thread here we can bitch about current matches. I cant beleive how crap Granollers is playing against Murray. Basically handing the match to Murray on a plate.

JolánGagó
01-22-2009, 11:38 AM
I just dont think Nadal is a very worthy number one, he is too one dimensional. Last year he had an amazing year so he deserved it but i seriously doubt he'll have another year like that. There is just too many good guys now. I think Roger will take back the number one ranking this year. He should win two slams and that would be enough points to do it.

Is it some kind of random speech generator you use to create such a beautifully written nonsense or are you a yet undiscovered genius?

meihaditalab
01-22-2009, 11:40 AM
what a pathetic thread. He's clearly going to win this tourni. He's playing great tennis and he looks amazingly fit. Theres no reason he can't win.

Diprosalic
01-22-2009, 11:40 AM
he could beat anybody on anyday on hardcourt. he is weaker than others but he goes to the SF easily. with a bit of luck and a good day he wins a HC slam. if not this year then next.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 11:43 AM
he could beat anybody on anyday on hardcourt. he is weaker than others but he goes to the SF easily. with a bit of luck and a good day he wins a HC slam. if not this year then next.


Easily? He's never beaten a top14 player at a HC slam. Beating Simon in the quarters would be a major achievement for him.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:51 AM
Is it some kind of random speech generator you use to create such a beautifully written nonsense or are you a yet undiscovered genius?

Neither. Its the truth.

Mateya
01-22-2009, 11:52 AM
What a Rafatard :lol:

He's clearly going to win this tourni. He's playing great tennis and he looks amazingly fit. Theres no reason he can't win.

Like he's the only one...And it's not too difficult to straight set C.Rochus and Karanusic either. He will get trashed sooner or later.
You'll see what I mean next week.
:angel:

Diprosalic
01-22-2009, 11:52 AM
Easily? He's never beaten a top14 player at a HC slam. Beating Simon in the quarters would be a major achievement for him.

well simon isn't yet in the QF
he came to the SF in AO and the USO in 08
the guy is 22 he doesn't get weaker.

nowadays he beats player even when he plays badly

the first to stop him is either murray or himself

W!MBLEDON
01-22-2009, 11:58 AM
nadal will win over gasquet in 4, or win over gonzalez in 3

win over simon or monfils either way in 3

nadal/murray could go either way but i'm guessing 5 sets where nadal is the most likely candidate; otherwise win over tsonga in 3

in all honesty i think nadal could go down to federer if he plays him but i am predicting another delicious 5-setter, if he plays djokovic nadal will win in 5

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 12:14 PM
well simon isn't yet in the QF
he came to the SF in AO and the USO in 08



By the easiest draws in the history of the universe - he played nobody of any note whatsoever. Mathieu was the best he faced he last year's AO, and he was injured and had to retire. At the US Open his hardest matches were Querrey and Fish, and he dropped sets to both.

Byrd
01-22-2009, 12:17 PM
Put him in Fed's draw and he would of been out by 4th round at least.

Foxy
01-22-2009, 12:33 PM
Rafa is too one dimensional, he wont even be nr 1 for very long.

Tell Rog he is losing to one dimensional player on a consistent basis. He will kill you. What a fan?! :shrug:

Forehander
01-22-2009, 12:36 PM
Both Nadal and Federer's draw is very harsh. I wish Davydenko was playing.

MariaV
01-22-2009, 01:32 PM
Nadal will be Haasinated, if he squeaks by then he will be Gonzaled in the 4th round! :banana:

I completely agree with you! :yeah:
This must be a special day or smth. :eek:

MalwareDie
01-22-2009, 02:25 PM
I wish Davydenko was playing.

So do I. I'd like to see him slap around Nadal like in Miami Masters. It's too bad that he's injured. There are so many players that can beat Nadal. It's just pathetic how he's handed piss easy draws that are essentially byes to the semifinals.

Snowwy
01-22-2009, 05:49 PM
he could beat anybody on anyday on hardcourt. he is weaker than others but he goes to the SF easily. with a bit of luck and a good day he wins a HC slam. if not this year then next.

He has the hardest draw to the SFs

I completely agree with you! :yeah:
This must be a special day or smth. :eek:

Nadal had a 3-0 H2H and a 6-0 set advantage.

MalwareDie
01-22-2009, 10:24 PM
He has the hardest draw to the SFs

A draw consisting of weak opponents giving him a bye to the semifinal is not even remotely close to being a hard draw.

Johnny Groove
01-22-2009, 10:30 PM
Sure, very few. However I'm not sure that's too useful, he was only 19/20 at the time, had missed a year through injury, and was facing the Fed in his prime.

It's now 2.5 years later - he really doesn't have that long to improve at hard court slams. Yeah, it might come out of nowhere, but frankly up till now he's demonstrated absolutely nothing against decent players.

At 22? :shrug:

Nadal isn't even in his prime yet. I expect an even longer run at #1 for Rafa than Roger :p

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 10:35 PM
At 22? :shrug:

Nadal isn't even in his prime yet. I expect an even longer run at #1 for Rafa than Roger :p

Officially 22 is considered the start of tennis player prime. There is no way you can spin it that Rafa's prime begins at some ridiculous age like 26.

Snowwy
01-22-2009, 10:36 PM
So do I. I'd like to see him slap around Nadal like in Miami Masters. It's too bad that he's injured. There are so many players that can beat Nadal. It's just pathetic how he's handed piss easy draws that are essentially byes to the semifinals.

Take off those Fed-colored glasses. Every player left in his quarter has been ranked 11th in the world or higher.

Easiest Draws to the SFs:

Djokovic
Federer
Murray
Nadal

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 10:37 PM
Take off those Fed-colored glasses. Every player left in his quarter has been ranked 11th in the world or higher.

Easiest Draws to the SFs:

Djokovic
Federer
Murray
Nadal

What? Federer has to beat Safin/Berdych/Del Potro to get to SF. You call that easy? All of them are great hardcourt players, and Del Potro is absolutely on fire right now.

groundstroke
01-22-2009, 10:54 PM
Haas and Gasquet will completely outplay him for 1 set and win it 7-5 or 6-4, then he will crush them. Gonzo has to be on fire to take 2 sets, he must take inspiration from that 2007 trashing he gave.

philosophicalarf
01-22-2009, 11:00 PM
Officially 22 is considered the start of tennis player prime. There is no way you can spin it that Rafa's prime begins at some ridiculous age like 26.

Rafa's prime began at 18 - he's a freak of tennis. Unfortunately, the history of early acheivers in tennis shows their top level career tends to be over by 25/26 (Wilander, Borg, Kuerten, Courier etc).

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:15 PM
Tell Rog he is losing to one dimensional player on a consistent basis. He will kill you. What a fan?! :shrug:

Well Rafa is Fed's achilles heel, its his one weakness. All superhero's have one weakness, didnt you know that? :worship:

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 11:25 PM
Well Rafa is Fed's achilles heel, its his one weakness. All superhero's have one weakness, didnt you know that? :worship:

Not Batman. He has no weaknesses! Also Major Kusangi of "Ghost in the Shell" has never been defeated.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 11:36 PM
Not Batman. He has no weaknesses! Also Major Kusangi of "Ghost in the Shell" has never been defeated.

Well at least Fed is a superhero, i'll take it :worship:

Besides you need an evil if theres going to be a good and thats where Rafa comes in. Oh yeah and dont forget the Djoker, seems Roger and Batman have something in common with after all ;)

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 11:37 PM
Well at least Fed is a superhero, i'll take it :worship:

He's a fallen hero. Superhero Fed was 2004-2007.

Snowwy
01-22-2009, 11:38 PM
What? Federer has to beat Safin/Berdych/Del Potro to get to SF. You call that easy? All of them are great hardcourt players, and Del Potro is absolutely on fire right now.

Del Potro hasn't shown he can do anything in a big event. Murray faces Tsonga and Nadal's quarter is much more difficult. Federer's quarter might be tougher than Murray's but Murray has the toughest match.

HKz
01-23-2009, 01:52 AM
I really think Nadal will bow out before QFs. Haas/Gasquet/Monfils are really the only ones Nadal should really win against, but even then, they all have a huge shot, especially Haas and Gasquet because they posses big backhands. But if Nadal beats Haas, out of Gonzo/Simon/Tsonga/Murray, he should definately lose to one of them. Tsonga should be 2-1 against Nadal... First match they've had was Nadal for sure and second match was Tsonga for sure. But for the third match Tsonga was up 5-2 or 5-3 I forget in the final set and choked/got tired. Simon might be a little sketchy. He pulled off some ridiculous shots in Madrid which was thanks to a bit of luck, but he has the game... Murray is a big favorite over Nadal by far I think if they do meet. And I really don't know what happened to Gonzo at the Olympics. He returned like a piece of crap...

MalwareDie
01-23-2009, 03:16 AM
Every player left in his quarter has been ranked 11th in the world or higher.

This has no relevance at all because his quarter is still full of mediocre hard court players like himself or worse.

rafa_maniac
01-23-2009, 04:23 AM
I really think Nadal will bow out before QFs. Haas/Gasquet/Monfils are really the only ones Nadal should really win against, but even then, they all have a huge shot, especially Haas and Gasquet because they posses big backhands. But if Nadal beats Haas, out of Gonzo/Simon/Tsonga/Murray, he should definately lose to one of them. Tsonga should be 2-1 against Nadal... First match they've had was Nadal for sure and second match was Tsonga for sure. But for the third match Tsonga was up 5-2 or 5-3 I forget in the final set and choked/got tired. Simon might be a little sketchy. He pulled off some ridiculous shots in Madrid which was thanks to a bit of luck, but he has the game... Murray is a big favorite over Nadal by far I think if they do meet. And I really don't know what happened to Gonzo at the Olympics. He returned like a piece of crap...

:spit:

jcadam2003
02-01-2009, 07:34 PM
Nadal has never beaten a top 14 player at a HC slam before. To win here he has to beat the 6th, the 4th and then the 1st/2nd. Not a hope.

BUMP!

Montego
02-01-2009, 10:36 PM
He will be Haasinated :banana:

Nadal has never beaten a top 14 player at a HC slam before. To win here he has to beat the 6th, the 4th and then the 1st/2nd. Not a hope.

Nadal's chances at winning a hard court slam will forever be zero.

Nadal will be Haasinated, if he squeaks by then he will be Gonzaled in the 4th round! :banana:

Haas will take him out easily....

Id be really surprised if Rafa wins a hard court slam.

Rafa is too one dimensional, he wont even be nr 1 for very long.

What a Rafatard :lol:



Like he's the only one...And it's not too difficult to straight set C.Rochus and Karanusic either. He will get trashed sooner or later.
You'll see what I mean next week.
:angel:

Put him in Fed's draw and he would of been out by 4th round at least.


Vamos MTF

Chair Umpire
02-01-2009, 11:36 PM
hahahaha great stuff. :lol:

kafemotor
02-02-2009, 03:32 AM
Interesting... But come on. Plz stop here.

fred perry
02-02-2009, 03:34 AM
Haas > Gasquet/Gonzo > Simon/Monfils> Murray/Tsonga > Fed/Djok

Not happening folks.


the internet never forgets. :wavey:

rafa_maniac
02-02-2009, 03:47 AM
I love how whenever anyone says Nadal "can't" achieve something, and it has been said a lot over the last few years, he sets the bar ever higher. :D