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Murray no Open favourite, storms Djokovic

bounccer
01-21-2009, 11:46 AM
Murray no Open favourite, storms Djokovic
Defending champion Novak Djokovic angrily rejected suggestions Andy Murray had overtaken him in the pecking order after roaring into the Australian Open's third round on Wednesday.
The world number three said Murray, some bookmakers' favourite for the Grand Slam title, had to wait in line behind himself, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer.

"What's his ranking and my ranking?" he challenged.

"All respect to Andy, I like him as a person and as a player. He's done a lot in the last couple months, and he's a very talented player and we can expect him to win some Grand Slams in the future.

"But you cannot put him as the favourite next to Roger and Rafa and myself here at the Australian Open."

Triple champion Federer also expressed surprise when told Murray was the favourite, while top-ranked Nadal believes Murray is ready to win a Slam.

Murray, who is seeking Britain's first Major win since 1936, is currently ranked fourth more than 3,000 points behind Djokovic. But he is already talking up his chances of becoming world number one this year.

However, Djokovic hit impressive form as he dismissed France's Jeremy Chardy 7-5, 6-1, 6-3 to set up a third-round clash with American Amer Delic.

He toughed out a competitive first set before taking total control, dropping a trademark backhand on the tramline as he went a double break up in the third.

Djokovic was surprisingly broken as he served for the match but he hit back immediately on Chardy's serve, taking the win as the Frenchman netted.

"I feel very nice and comfortable on this court," he said. "The first round was tricky, I didn't play such great tennis, but today was another story.

"Hopefully it can get better in the next match."

The Serb warned he was improving match by match and felt in better condition than last year, when he won his only Grand Slam trophy.

"I think I'm playing better and better every match, so this is really important. This is something that I planned to do," he said.

"If I keep the high level of performance and a good game, I will hopefully get far in the tournament."

Last year, as well as his victory here, Djokovic also claimed two Masters series titles as well as the season-ending Masters Cup in Shanghai.

But he was beaten by Latvian Ernests Gulbis in his first match of this season, afterwards blaming a change of racquet.

He also missed out on a chance to overtake Federer as world number two when he lost to Finland's Jarkko Nieminen in Sydney last week, and suffered occasional lapses in his first match here against Andrea Stoppini.

Djokovic beat Frenchman Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in last year's final after ousting three-time champion Federer in the semis.

Chardy, the world number 68, was making his Australian Open debut and is still seeking his first professional title.


http://sport.my.msn.com/tennis/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2187815

Dini
01-21-2009, 11:47 AM
That was bitter from Nole. Fed said pretty much the same thing but in a much classier way.

Diprosalic
01-21-2009, 12:01 PM
Fed and Nole agree to disagree

reggie1
01-21-2009, 12:08 PM
He actually has a point! ;)

oranges
01-21-2009, 12:09 PM
Why on earth do they bother commenting on betting odds and who's a favorite? If I were either of them, I'd be happy to let the pressure be on Murray and continue on my merry path, the final results will eventually tell the story. What a bunch of ego-sensitive kids, all three of them.

mickymouse
01-21-2009, 12:11 PM
That was bitter from Nole. Fed said pretty much the same thing but in a much classier way.

It's the journalist's choice of words. I'll like to have been at the interview to see how he 'storms' :lol:

Allegretto
01-21-2009, 12:14 PM
Classy as ever.

Byrd
01-21-2009, 12:16 PM
This faker seems to be craving for the spotlight again, maybe he should start doing shitty impressions again 24/7.

bokehlicious
01-21-2009, 12:19 PM
This Djokovic is slightly growing on me :hatoff: :D

Forehander
01-21-2009, 12:23 PM
Nice one from Djokovic =D That's the attitude you should have against your competitors.

MIMIC
01-21-2009, 12:25 PM
Novak, just bottle up this indignation, take a swig of it on court and get your 2nd Grand Slam :)

But yeah, he and Fed are right: until he wins a Slam, it's ridiculous to have him pegged as the favorite.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 12:26 PM
It's the journalist's choice of words. I'll like to have been at the interview to see how he 'storms' :lol:

Here's the video.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7841806.stm

He's clearly annoyed.

TheBoiledEgg
01-21-2009, 12:30 PM
only reason Murray is gonna be the fav, most bookies are UK based and they'll put money on their haggis

Tennisman82
01-21-2009, 12:31 PM
Well at least he's not afraid to speak his mind!

Tennisman82.

prima donna
01-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Mito.

green25814
01-21-2009, 12:33 PM
Here's the video.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7841806.stm

He's clearly annoyed.

Hes just stating the facts there.

Totally blown out of proportion, once again :lol:

Clydey
01-21-2009, 12:36 PM
Hes just stating the facts there.

Totally blown out of proportion, once again :lol:

Yeah, but he was obviously wound up by the question. Seemed like a fair one, since Nole hasn't really been the focus of much attention. Both Federer and Djokovic seem to be a bit more wound up than Nadal and Murray this week.

There's an article on the AO website about Fed's alleged grumpyness. :lol:

Thanos
01-21-2009, 12:41 PM
Well at least he's not afraid to speak his mind!

Tennisman82.

:lol:

wacked82.

TJ20
01-21-2009, 12:42 PM
Djoker fell into the trap.

With all this talk of Murray not deserving the favourites tag by his fearful rivals... Murray is only going to go on and win it.

bokehlicious
01-21-2009, 12:44 PM
Yeah, but he was obviously wound up by the question. Seemed like a fair one, since Nole hasn't really been the focus of much attention. Both Federer and Djokovic seem to be a bit more wound up than Nadal and Murray this week.

There's an article on the AO website about Fed's alleged grumpyness. :lol:

Only the British press seem to think it's a fair one... :rolleyes: :zzz:

Collective
01-21-2009, 12:45 PM
So Roger is arrogant but poor boy Djokovic is dragged into an evil, evil trap. Gotta love the double standards here!

vucina
01-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Joker looks seriously pissed off. His vanity is hurt, and he plays the best he can when that happens.

thrust
01-21-2009, 01:15 PM
Why on earth do they bother commenting on betting odds and who's a favorite? If I were either of them, I'd be happy to let the pressure be on Murray and continue on my merry path, the final results will eventually tell the story. What a bunch of ego-sensitive kids, all three of them.

True, but I also think they are scared of Murray. Considering both Nole and Roger^s results VS Murray lately, I don^t blame them. Andy and Rafa, if they are healthy, are my favorites to win this AO.

Herdwick
01-21-2009, 01:22 PM
Question was obviously designed to get a rise out of him - pity he fell for it.

thrust
01-21-2009, 01:24 PM
Classy as ever.

LOL!! But then, he is a jock. This is typical jock talk.

JolánGagó
01-21-2009, 01:27 PM
Djoker was last year seeing himself on the verge of overtaking Rafa for n.2 and then dethroning Fed as n.1, now he realizes this guy Muzza is more than equiped to kick him down to a brief n.4 before DelPony takes that spot. I can understand his grumpiness :shrug:

Nathaliia
01-21-2009, 01:30 PM
Too big. I thought it was for trolling but there's actually a link to the quote.

finishingmove
01-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Djoker was last year seeing himself on the verge of overtaking Rafa for n.2 and then dethroning Fed as n.1, now he realizes this guy Muzza is more than equiped to kick him down to a brief n.4 before DelPony takes that spot. I can understand his grumpiness :shrug:

djokovic would humiliate murray in a hardcourt slam match.

hope this helps.

oranges
01-21-2009, 01:32 PM
True, but I also think they are scared of Murray. Considering both Nole and Roger^s results VS Murray lately, I don^t blame them. Andy and Rafa, if they are healthy, are my favorites to win this AO.

I don't think they're scared and even if they are, I don't see how this helps their cause. GS and best of five matches are a very different story then a three-setter anywhere. All three of them are playing the "my dad is stronger than you dad" game. All three should get thumped before semis as a lesson what to focus on ;)

JolánGagó
01-21-2009, 01:33 PM
djokovic would humiliate murray in a hardcourt slam match.

hope this helps.

Dream on.

No, it won't help either.

Diprosalic
01-21-2009, 01:39 PM
i kinda wish andy loses in the SF or earlier. he can have the USO and the AO next year

Aenea
01-21-2009, 01:48 PM
Murray, who is seeking Britain's first Major win since 1936, is currently ranked fourth more than 3,000 points behind Djokovic. But he is already talking up his chances of becoming world number one this year.

:worship:

Murray is ~6000 pts behind Nadal. Does he plan on something like winning 3 GS this season? Do we have Djokovic'08 2.0? :rolleyes:

As for Novak, he must be pissed off :) He's the reigning AO champion, world #3 and very close of becoming #2 and yet some Slamless player is tipped for winning AO'09 :lol: It surely feels frustrating. I'm glad Nadal stays out of this.

rafa_maniac
01-21-2009, 01:55 PM
Well he's right, so is Federer. Calling someone a favourite when they've never won a Slam and in contention are the defending champion, a 5 time slam winner, and a 13 time slam winner is just idiotic. But at the same time, why on earth should they care so much what the bookies think? Good odds don't make you win slams, winning matches does.

Johnny Groove
01-21-2009, 01:57 PM
While Fed, Djokovic, and Murray the attention seekers are having themselves a fun high-school popularity contest, the #1 is quietly takin care of business :)

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:00 PM
:worship:

Murray is ~6000 pts behind Nadal. Does he plan on something like winning 3 GS this season? Do we have Djokovic'08 2.0? :rolleyes:

As for Novak, he must be pissed off :) He's the reigning AO champion, world #3 and very close of becoming #2 and yet some Slamless player is tipped for winning AO'09 :lol: It surely feels frustrating. I'm glad Nadal stays out of this.

He didn't boast that he is going to be world number 1. He said that he has hardly any points to defend in the first half of the year and he has the most points since Wimbledon, so he has a chance.

There's actually a very good chance that he'll be number 1 by the time Wimbledon comes around, assuming that he reaches at least the semis of the AO. He said that he doesn't want to become number 1 before he wins a GS, though.

BaselineSmash
01-21-2009, 02:01 PM
I wonder how the question was phrased, because Djokovic was almost chillingly hostile when he said, "What's his ranking and what's my ranking?" He seemed to realise his mistake (oh no, not the US Open PR debacle all over again!!), and quickly tried to moderate his sentiments by throwing some lazy compliments Murray's way.

He's right, Murray has to get in line in the list of title contenders. Fed and Djoko were the most likely winners before the tournament, and they remain so now. Although he seemed to be indirectly saying Nadal was the no. 1 contender, which is...polite. Anyway, the ungracious nature of the Serbian's response surprised me. When he first burst onto the scene, he struck me as one of those players who's been conditioned by their parents to be very natural with the media, like the Williams sisters only more natural. Whatever you think about him, you have to admit he was very good with the press and conducted himself articulately and (seemingly) with intelligence in TV interviews. After the AO '08, where virtually the whole crowd were cheering Tsonga in the final, Djokovic's charming, easy-going public persona seemes to have soured. He needed an emergency PR course after the USO '08, and maybe it was scheduled for the off-season, but perhaps he thought partying in-between training sessions was the best way to go. And so average journalists continue to get to him, managing to make stories out of nothing.

Title contenders:

1. =Federer/Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Nadal

finishingmove
01-21-2009, 02:02 PM
While Fed, Djokovic, and Murray the attention seekers are having themselves a fun high-school popularity contest, the #1 is quietly takin care of business :)

i can picture nadal winning this and the 3 of them sitting on a bench. :haha:

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:02 PM
I wonder how the question was phrased, because Djokovic was almost chillingly hostile when he said, "What's his ranking and what's my ranking?" He seemed to realise his mistake (oh no, not the US Open PR debacle all over again!!), and quickly tried to moderate his sentiments by throwing some lazy compliments Murray's way.

He's right, Murray has to get in line in the list of title contenders. Fed and Djoko were the most likely winners before the tournament, and they remain so now. Although he seemed to be indirectly saying Nadal was the no. 1 contender, which is...polite. Anyway, the ungracious nature of the Serbian's response surprised me. When he first burst onto the scene, he struck me as one of those players who's been conditioned by their parents to be very natural with the media, like the Williams sisters only more natural. Whatever you think about him, you have to admit he was very good with the press and conducted himself articulately and (seemingly) with intelligence in TV interviews. After the AO '08, where virtually the whole crowd were cheering Tsonga in the final, Djokovic's charming, easy-going public persona seemes to have soured. He needed an emergency PR course after the USO '08, and maybe it was scheduled for the off-season, but perhaps he thought partying in-between training sessions was the best way to go. And so average journalists continue to get to him, managing to make stories out of nothing.

Title contenders:

1. =Federer/Djokovic
2. Murray
3. Nadal

I posted a link to the video. Judge for yourself. I'll post the link again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7841806.stm

And I don't see why you insist that Djokovic was one of the two favourites before the tournament. I like him, but there's no basis for saying that he is joint favourite or even second favourite. He hasn't been in good form at all.

Spes
01-21-2009, 02:03 PM
They basically told him that Murray was the number three player in the world and he was a forgotten entity - how did you expect him to react? Once again comments are blown out of proportion.

finishingmove
01-21-2009, 02:05 PM
novak just looked tired to deal with the press in that video.

tennizen
01-21-2009, 02:06 PM
^^ Actually I think the journalists constantly needle the players into responses like this. If you look at Fed's interview today. The journalist caught one line that Fed said and went on and on about how it feels to be "former" Same in this case. Do you get the sense that everyone thinks Murray is the third challenger was the question he was asked. Good enough reason to be annoyed.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:06 PM
They basically told him that Murray was the number three player in the world and he was a forgotten entity - how did you expect him to react? Once again comments are blown out of proportion.

That isn't what the journalist said. The question is in the link I just posted. It was nowhere near as harsh as you made it sound.

Spes
01-21-2009, 02:09 PM
That isn't what the journalist said. The question is in the link I just posted. It was nowhere near as harsh as you made it sound.

Q. Last year everyone was talking about you as sort of the third man after Rafa and Roger. Now it's Andy as the third man. Do you get that sense?

That's exactly what I made it out to be...

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:13 PM
Q. Last year everyone was talking about you as sort of the third man after Rafa and Roger. Now it's Andy as the third man. Do you get that sense?

That's exactly what I made it out to be...

No, you said that the journalist told him that Murray was now the number 3 player in the world. The question was in reference to Murray being the third man, behind Roger and Rafa, for the AO title in the eyes of the public. It had nothing to do with Murray objectively being referred to as the 3rd best player in the world. It was specifically in reference to the AO and the public perception.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:15 PM
I still don't get why Federer and Djokovic care. All the press and the bookmakers are doing is heaping the pressure on Murray. There's a shitload of pressure on him to, if not win it, make a good effort by reaching the final. Fed and Nole should welcome that. Particularly Nole, since he can fly under the radar with no pressure.

Aenea
01-21-2009, 02:18 PM
He didn't boast that he is going to be world number 1. He said that he has hardly any points to defend in the first half of the year and he has the most points since Wimbledon, so he has a chance.

There's actually a very good chance that he'll be number 1 by the time Wimbledon comes around, assuming that he reaches at least the semis of the AO. He said that he doesn't want to become number 1 before he wins a GS, though.

Murray may become #1 by Wimbledon you say. Let's see - if he reaches AO SF this would be +720pts. He has 1000pts to defend from Madrid and this year Madrid is in May and on clay. Well he has chances in some MS tourneys but some of them are on clay as is RG and what can Andy do on clay. So far he hasn't achieved anything on dirt. Let's first see how he fares in the clay MS and RG and then we could talk about his chances of becoming #1 this season.

Puschkin
01-21-2009, 02:19 PM
Why on earth do they bother commenting on betting odds and who's a favorite? If I were either of them, I'd be happy to let the pressure be on Murray and continue on my merry path, the final results will eventually tell the story.
:yeah:

Nathaliia
01-21-2009, 02:20 PM
Is there something about the rank that I don't know or will the Madrid points be cancelled in autumn?

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:22 PM
Murray may become #1 by Wimbledon you say. Let's see - if he reaches AO SF this would be +720pts. He has 1000pts to defend from Madrid and this year Madrid is in May and on clay. Well he has chances in some MS tourneys but some of them are on clay as is RG and what can Andy do on clay. So far he hasn't achieved anything on dirt. Let's first see how he fares in the clay MS and RG and then we could talk about his chances of becoming #1 this season.

He's a much better all round player now and that, I'm sure, will include clay. Plus, he's seeded 4th now and that has obvious advantages. I expect he'll reach a few semis on the clay. Also, Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal have a lot to defend. Murray has practically nothing.

I don't think Murray's points from Madrid are going to be subtracted in the first quarter just because the event has been moved to clay

bokehlicious
01-21-2009, 02:22 PM
I still don't get why Federer and Djokovic care. All the press and the bookmakers are doing is heaping the pressure on Murray.

That's the press asking them questions, it's not like the players came up with those bollocks :shrug:

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Save your anger and energy for Fed.

Worry about Murray if he is strong enough to get to the finals.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:23 PM
Is there something about the rank that I don't know or will the Madrid points be cancelled in autumn?

I seriously doubt that. That would be a bit fucked up.

BaselineSmash
01-21-2009, 02:23 PM
I posted a link to the video. Judge for yourself. I'll post the link again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7841806.stm

And I don't see why you insist that Djokovic was one of the two favourites before the tournament. I like him, but there's no basis for saying that he is joint favourite or even second favourite. He hasn't been in good form at all.

We were having this argument before, but you backed out of it because Djokovic lost to Nieminen and you thought that that won the argument. I believed then, and still do now, that the Finn's win had no bearing on Djokovic's status as a favourite. I'm not so short-sighted as to think that MM losses and tiredness/minor injuries/mental fatigue at the end of a season determine whether a player has a good chance of winning a title or not. That's what it comes down to -you dwell on recent results as indicators, and I take a look at the bigger picture. We are not going to agree on this, as we have fundamentally different perspectives on the factors that decide such things. I can only PM you my previous posts, because I have nothing new to say, and as you only partially engaged with my argument before I don't see the point for a resumption of the debate.

And yes, the video seems to correspond with the OP's claim. I watched it before I posted in the thread, and I am completely bemused as to why you think I disagree with you on this score.

angry1
01-21-2009, 02:26 PM
To me Djokovic is being cheeky about Nadal more than Murray here.1-0in slam wins, means a world of difference and it is ludicrous to compare them,however 1-5 and a year younger means you're on the same level? Even allowing for surfaces that's a stretch.

Murray also has a better slam winning% against Fedal(a lousy 25%) than Djokovic has, so, the slams are magically different angle is IMO overblown.

rocketassist
01-21-2009, 02:26 PM
A guy who has lost to a still raw Gulbis and NIEMINEN can't really complain if he's not the bookies favourite ahead of a guy that's beaten him, Fed and Nadal in his last meetings with them all.

Keep talking shite, Novak :yeah:

And Federer is the favourite for this, then Nadal/Murray, with Faker a poor way back.

Vida
01-21-2009, 02:32 PM
whatever...

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:34 PM
We were having this argument before, but you backed out of it because Djokovic lost to Nieminen and you thought that that won the argument. I believed then, and still do now, that the Finn's win had no bearing on Djokovic's status as a favourite. I'm not so short-sighted as to think that MM losses and tiredness/minor injuries/mental fatigue at the end of a season determine whether a player has a good chance of winning a title or not. That's what it comes down to -you dwell on recent results as indicators, and I take a look at the bigger picture. We are not going to agree on this, as we have fundamentally different perspectives on the factors that decide such things. I can only PM you my previous posts, because I have nothing new to say, and as you only partially engaged with my argument before I don't see the point for a resumption of the debate.

And yes, the video seems to correspond with the OP's claim. I watched it before I posted in the thread, and I am completely bemused as to why you think I disagree with you on this score.

I didn't back out of the argument. Not sure where that came from. I can be accused of a lot of things, but I doubt many on here would accuse me of letting go of an argument. As I recall, it was you who failed to respond to me. You suggested that Djokovic wasn't trying against Niemenen and I told you that Djokovic was playing for the number 2 ranking. He was quite clearly trying. The last time I checked, you didn't respond.

It has nothing to do with being short-sighted. You seem to be of the opinion that results from a year ago are more relevant than recent results. Form counts for something. That's why Safin, despite being a former AO champion, isn't a front runner. Form is something that should be taken into consideration. The whole argument that MM results or MS results have no bearing on what happens in a GS just doesn't wash.

And I don't recall suggesting that you and I disagree on the subject of Djokovic's remarks. No idea where you got that impression.

sawan66278
01-21-2009, 02:43 PM
I really hope Andy shuts BOTH Roger and Novak up. Murray is more talented to Djokovic, and you can easily tell that Novak's ego is hurting. Just like last night...when the crowd started cheering more for Chardy in the third set of a blowout. Djokovic was starting to stare angrily at the crowd because they DARED to pull for the underdog (these were the observations of Cahill who was courtside). Novak is too worried about being loved and wants people to grovel at his feet. When he's the "belle of the ball", he's Mr. Nice Guy...charming, etc. But if you pull against him, he becomes a sour baby. If he played in the NBA, the crowds would eat him alive...and he wouldn't last a week...especially with all the trash talking...

Roger suffers from the same infliction...and it ain't mono...Last night, the commentators were ridiculing his complaining about not being "no. 2"...and that he was only #1 or a grand slam champion. Patrick McEnroe said "Um...sorry, Roger...You ARE #2"...with much disdain...realizing the pathetic nature of these things.

That is why Rafa doesn't worry about who is or who isn't the favorite. He just goes out and plays...letting the chips fall where they may. People can complain about his style, his talent...whatever...but one thing is clear: he has enough class to not worry about the bookies and who is or isn't the favorite. And, that is why he is #1. And Roger and Novak are #2 and #3.

«Ivan»
01-21-2009, 02:43 PM
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17 pretty much useless posts in one topic?you're in love with nole or you're catching a cold.close your speaking organ and listen smarter people.
you better tell your boy to start using proactive solution.
unreal ugly guy(not you clydey :rolleyes: )

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:45 PM
17 pretty much useless posts in one topic?you're in love with nole or you're catching a cold.close your speaking organ and listen smarter people.
you better tell your boy to start using proactive solution.
unreal ugly guy(not you clydey :rolleyes: )

Huh? :shrug:

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01-21-2009, 02:46 PM
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«Ivan»
01-21-2009, 02:46 PM
Huh? :shrug:

shiiish.

Vida
01-21-2009, 02:47 PM
I didn't back out of the argument. Not sure where that came from. I can be accused of a lot of things, but I doubt many on here would accuse me of letting go of an argument. As I recall, it was you who failed to respond to me. You suggested that Djokovic wasn't trying against Niemenen and I told you that Djokovic was playing for the number 2 ranking. He was quite clearly trying. The last time I checked, you didn't respond.

It has nothing to do with being short-sighted. You seem to be of the opinion that results from a year ago are more relevant than recent results. Form counts for something. That's why Safin, despite being a former AO champion, isn't a front runner. Form is something that should be taken into consideration. The whole argument that MM results or MS results have no bearing on what happens in a GS just doesn't wash.

And I don't recall suggesting that you and I disagree on the subject of Djokovic's remarks. No idea where you got that impression.

So what are you saying, that Djokovic actually did his ever best and was beaten by a player whose game is superior to Djokovic's?

And another thing, you're only partially right when you count recent form as merit for favoritism. Novak, as Nadal and Fed, is a proven Slam material, while Andy is yet to become. His only notable Slam result was USO finals where he was drowned by Fed. What - he was tired? He was overcome by occasion? Why, that's the whole point.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 02:50 PM
:haha::haha::haha: Murray=Done

LleytonMonfils
01-21-2009, 02:51 PM
Murray is the favorite because it makes sense money wise for Vegas and such. It's all about making money in the gambling world people. Not even sure why players concern themselves with such odds? If I was on tour and anyone asked me a question such as that I would just say NEXT. Screw who the favorite it. Like I said that is for Vegas, the bookies, gamblers, etc. Novak needs to be focused on the task at hand. God I hope Roddick can get there and knock the little runt out.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 02:55 PM
So what are you saying, that Djokovic actually did his ever best and was beaten by a player whose game is superior to Djokovic's?

And another thing, you're only partially right when you count recent form as merit for favoritism. Novak, as Nadal and Fed, is a proven Slam material, while Andy is yet to become. His only notable Slam result was USO finals where he was drowned by Fed. What - he was tired? He was overcome by occasion? Why, that's the whole point.

Of course I'm not saying that Niemenen's game is superior to Djokovic's. I'm saying that Djokovic was trying, but he is just off form at the moment. He showed some form in the last two sets against Chardy, but there's no way you could consider his pre tournament form as something that set him up to be a joint favourite for the AO.

Murray lost to the better player on the day at the USO final. I don't recall saying anything about him being tired or overcome by the occasion. He lost, the same as Djokovic lost in his first GS final. It happens. Federer was red hot that day and Murray's form on the day was indifferent.

nateyang
01-21-2009, 02:56 PM
I have to side with the Joker on this one. Granted he did answer the questioned in a somewhat hostile manner, but the fact was the journalist was really disrespectful and riled him up. How can you say Andy is the third man when Novak is a clear number 3 in the ranking and a hair from no. 2?

All in all, I think it'd have been best if Novak stayed out of this, but it's also totally understandable for him to answer like that.

the graduate
01-21-2009, 02:57 PM
he is such a diva,his ego is as big as his head

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:01 PM
I have to side with the Joker on this one. Granted he did answer the questioned in a somewhat hostile manner, but the fact was the journalist was really disrespectful and riled him up. How can you say Andy is the third man when Novak is a clear number 3 in the ranking and a hair from no. 2?

All in all, I think it'd have been best if Novak stayed out of this, but it's also totally understandable for him to answer like that.

I cant agree, i think its better if he gets involved. Fedalic(the top three) needs to team up against Murray and make it as hard for him as possible, which is what they are now doing. Already Federer and Nadal seems to have an alliance an now Djoker is joining them,which is exactly what he needs to do if he wants to keep Murray at bay. Im loving this! :lol:

BaselineSmash
01-21-2009, 03:02 PM
I didn't back out of the argument. Not sure where that came from. I can be accused of a lot of things, but I doubt many on here would accuse me of letting go of an argument. As I recall, it was you who failed to respond to me. You suggested that Djokovic wasn't trying against Niemenen and I told you that Djokovic was playing for the number 2 ranking. He was quite clearly trying. The last time I checked, you didn't respond.

It has nothing to do with being short-sighted. You seem to be of the opinion that results from a year ago are more relevant than recent results. Form counts for something. That's why Safin, despite being a former AO champion, isn't a front runner. Form is something that should be taken into consideration. The whole argument that MM results or MS results have no bearing on what happens in a GS just doesn't wash.

And I don't recall suggesting that you and I disagree on the subject of Djokovic's remarks. No idea where you got that impression.

I thought Djokovic wasn't playing his heart out for the no. 2 ranking, whilst you did. Our positions were clear, and there was no point in extending that one. I made quite a few points before your Nieminen post which you chose to ignore. It was a complete misdirection to bring in the MM result; at least, it was a cheap way for you to conclude that Djoko's form was off instead of at least responding to my claims for why he would be fine in the AO fortnight.

We don't differ on whether form is important. Of course it is. Safin is a completely irrelevant comparison, unless you think his 2007-2008 seasons were comparable to Djokovic's. We disagree, and will continue to, on whether Djoko's physical problems mattered in late '08, the extent of his mental fatigue, how he and Murray match up against Fed in grand slams, and whether the TMC result should be underplayed. In short, I thought Djoko was playing very well at the end of '08, and that the numerous yet minor problems he was dealing with (which I have gone over several times) would be overcome in the off-season and that he would be ready for the AO. Which he has and is, and will continue to be.

You posted the link to the video when you quoted my comments, and urged me to watch it again. How was I supposed to take that?

*Viva Chile*
01-21-2009, 03:02 PM
classy Novak :rolleyes:

FedFan
01-21-2009, 03:05 PM
It is getting more and more amusing with the three titel candidates. :D

They behave as if the betting odds would guarantee them the title.

Keep up the good work, boys. :music:

Hopefully they don't forget that the real fight should take place on and :boxing: not off the court.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 03:06 PM
You posted the link to the video when you quoted my comments, and urged me to watch it again. How was I supposed to take that?

You were supposed to take it as it was intended. You said:

"I wonder how the question was phrased, because Djokovic was almost chillingly hostile when he said, "What's his ranking and what's my ranking?"

I posted a link to the video, as that line seemed to quite clearly indicate that you didn't know how the question was phrased and, therefore, couldn't have seen the video.

I don't see how else I could interpret "I wonder how the question was phrased..."

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:07 PM
Im loving the lastest words from Djoker about Murray. This makes tennis sooo interesting. Already Federer has been creating an alliance with him and Rafa and now the Djoker is following. And he's waited for the opportune time to do it, just as he has hit devistating form. I think the top 3 would do anything to keep Murray at bay and this is exatly the way to go. They cant afford for Murray to make it the big 4 by winning a slam. This would make it harder on all of them. Respect to Djoker for letting Murray understand the order fo things :worship:

Byrd
01-21-2009, 03:08 PM
Your looking good for ACC '09.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Why was my thread shifted here? Thats clearly worthy of a thread!

Haha this forum is becoming a joke.

BaselineSmash
01-21-2009, 03:12 PM
You were supposed to take it as it was intended. You said:

"I wonder how the question was phrased, because Djokovic was almost chillingly hostile when he said, "What's his ranking and what's my ranking?"

I posted a link to the video, as that line seemed to quite clearly indicate that you didn't know how the question was phrased and, therefore, couldn't have seen the video.

I don't see how else I could interpret "I wonder how the question was phrased..."

Fair enough, my mistake. I couldn't hear anything coherent when Djokovic was listening to the question in the video, and it would have been helpful if it was audible so as to fully get why he responded in the manner he did.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:14 PM
Your looking good for ACC '09.

I really dont care, in fact it would be an honour.

JolánGagó
01-21-2009, 03:15 PM
Im loving the lastest words from Djoker about Murray. This makes tennis sooo interesting. Already Federer has been creating an alliance with him and Rafa and now the Djoker is following. And he's waited for the opportune time to do it, just as he has hit devistating form. I think the top 3 would do anything to keep Murray at bay and this is exatly the way to go. They cant afford for Murray to make it the big 4 by winning a slam. This would make it harder on all of them. Respect to Djoker for letting Murray understand the order fo things :worship:

Expired crystal meth isn't a good choice for lunch.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 03:20 PM
I think Novak has mistaken. Murray was in the finale of the last GS, and took few masters in between...just like Novak himself before he took AO last year. Maybe it's vanity talking from Fed and Novak, Andy could win this, but will he? That's another thing.
Seems Nadal is preparing his fans for another loss from Murray.:lol:

Boarder35m
01-21-2009, 03:23 PM
3 years ago there was a election in Germany and alltough a party had lost in comparison to the elction before a lot of politician felt like they were the real winners in comparison to the opinion polls earlier that year.

I never understood this logic but many reporters stepped on the train and in interviews they refered a lot of times to the former opinion polls.

Allthough everyone knows that you don´t win an election by opinion polls (and you don´t losse one just in comparisoan to an opinion poll) and you don´t win a grand slam just because you are the favourite of the bookies a lot of jornalists think they ask important questions if they refer to these things. They maybe even feel they are doing the right thing because they have some "material" up their sleeve.

All these talks about the favorites are not undersandable as in a tournamenst that lasts 2 weeks so many things can happen in various matches that it is impossible to predict a winner. If you manage to do so than you are a lucky man/woman, but noone can tell me that someone was right because he predicted the correct winners, luck is allwayss a factor in Grand Slams.

groundstroke
01-21-2009, 03:23 PM
Djokovic has a point, Murray hasn't won a GS, he can't even be compared to Nadal let alone Federer.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:25 PM
Expired crystal meth isn't a good choice for lunch.

So why do you choose it then?

Clydey
01-21-2009, 03:26 PM
So why do you choose it then?

Poor comeback. Just poor.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 03:30 PM
Poor comeback. Just poor.

Suck my balls Predator boy :lol:

Vida
01-21-2009, 03:40 PM
I think Novak has mistaken. Murray was in the finale of the last GS, and took few masters in between...just like Novak himself before he took AO last year. Maybe it's vanity talking from Fed and Novak, Andy could win this, but will he? That's another thing.
Seems Nadal is preparing his fans for another loss from Murray.:lol:

Novak was right as Fed was right. Prior results - particularly at the Slams - indicate that insisting on Murray being the no.1 favorite is a product of a bandwagon, fueled by a hungry-for-champ powerful British media and fan base. Andy's recent results and not good enough indicator of how each of the top players will perform at the Slam(s), 'cause most of those wins/losses can be attributed to something that does not include mark of how someones game rates against each other at this point. That is why this is one of the Slams that is extremely hard to predict, but is partially clouded by "Murray-mania".

For example: Nadal loosing to Murray now seems to some as a foregone conclusion, looking at match-up and their previous meetings since Sincy. BUT Nadal would not be Nadal if he were to share that view, so if one is to rely on his mentality and ability to adapt (as a proven asset) - Murray just might hit a brick wall.

Whether Novak made a good move with this line though, or he simply put another boot in his own mouth, remains to be seen.

rafa_maniac
01-21-2009, 03:49 PM
For example: Nadal loosing to Murray now seems to some as a foregone conclusion, looking at match-up and their previous meetings since Sincy. BUT Nadal would not be Nadal if he were to share that view, so if one is to rely on his mentality and ability to adapt (as a proven asset) - Murray just might hit a brick wall.


You make a pretty good point, but then sort of undermine your argument with a statement like that. Their meetings since? You mean then ONE on the ATP circuit? A tough 4 setter, including a tie break and a set where Rafa gave up a 3-1 30-0 lead against a lights-out Murray in a tournament where Rafa wasn't playing anywhere near as well as he had been the previous month on hard courts? Which leaves their H2H at... 5-1? I'd still consider any best of 5 match they play on HC a real toss up until a definitive trend emerges, which hasn't happened yet.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 03:56 PM
Novak was right as Fed was right. Prior results - particularly at the Slams - indicate that insisting on Murray being the no.1 favorite is a product of a bandwagon, fueled by a hungry-for-champ powerful British media and fan base. Andy's recent results and not good enough indicator of how each of the top players will perform at the Slam(s), 'cause most of those wins/losses can be attributed to something that does not include mark of how someones game rates against each other at this point. That is why this is one of the Slams that is extremely hard to predict, but is partially clouded by "Murray-mania".

For example: Nadal loosing to Murray now seems to some as a foregone conclusion, looking at match-up and their previous meetings since Sincy. BUT Nadal would not be Nadal if he were to share that view, so if one is to rely on his mentality and ability to adapt (as a proven asset) - Murray just might hit a brick wall.

Whether Novak made a good move with this line though, or he simply put another boot in his own mouth, remains to be seen.

I agree with you that he got a BIG bandwagon of guys now, who last year couldn't stand even to look at him, hating him for everything. And British media is forcing this whole thing. Also, respect should be shown at GS winners at first. But, he could win this. And do as Novak did before him. But if he lose this, he still would be greater than Tsonga who shows that coming to finale of one GS doesn't mean next slam is yours.

Maybe sawan should write a poem about Murray to wish him a good luck in the finale.:p Um...maybe not, he brought the bad luck to Jo Will Bumaye for too long!:sad:

xelena
01-21-2009, 04:02 PM
Because Oranges said pretty much of what i was going to say, here's my new theory.

grand slams became a big entertainment show full of gossip,provocations,set-ups etc. Not only players have a press conference after each match but they're interviewed all the time..
So in search for sensational material they're constantly provoking with all of those stupid idiot questions end then we're getting 2weeks of pure entertainment, which I guess is done also with a reason to stimulate us purchase the famous merchandise..

as tennis players are not really the men of words and aren't really conversational plus they are not watching tv all the time,reading forums and dealing with the exterior world versus their world as they have enough problems dealing with their own doubts, ego, motivation , etc. of course it's really easy to get all sort of reaction of them .

It's pathetic and the only person that might get unscarred out of this is Nadal as he cant really speak any language and so far never showed any statement or opinion on anything, he's bubble boy .. ;) Nadal rox.

BrutalLogiC
01-21-2009, 04:12 PM
Djoker sounded like a complete ass in this interview! Save that anger for the court Djoker, not for a journalist stating the truth.

LleytonMonfils
01-21-2009, 04:15 PM
Why is everyone agreeing with Djokovic? Wow he's the defending champ, who couldn't even get to the final of 2 warm up tournaments. Are we suppost to be impressed NOLE? Is the media suppost to spin it in a way that you're just playing possum and ready to step on the gas pedal once the Open rolls around? Results speak for themselves bro.

Clara Bow
01-21-2009, 04:16 PM
It's pathetic and the only person that might get unscarred out of this is Nadal as he cant really speak any language and so far never showed any statement or opinion on anything, he's bubble boy .. ;) Nadal rox.

Nadal actually can understand English decently (not perfect) and has gotten better at it in his interviews and has shown some opinions. He seems to think that Andy could win it. Here are some recent comments about when he was asked about Murray and he said that he thought Andy was ready.

Q. You practiced with him this morning. How do you see the threats of Andy Murray?

RAFAEL NADAL: He's playing well, no? He's playing good tennis, with confidence. He started the season very well, winning in Doha. He finish the 2008 season playing well, the last four months of the year. So, well, for sure if he play well, he can win here.

But right now everybody start from the first round here and everything going to be difficult for everybody, no?


Q. Did you expect to see his improvement over the last nine months? Were you surprised by the way he's suddenly burst through?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no. I not surprised, no. He is a very talented player. He's a very good player. No, didn't surprise me.


Q. Do you think he needs to prove himself on the big stage, at a Grand Slam?

RAFAEL NADAL: Who, Murray?


Q. Yes.

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, when you win Cincinnati, when you win Madrid, when you win Doha playing against Federer, playing against Roddick, you are ready for win a Grand Slam, no? I feel that when I went to the French Open for first time and I won. So if you win the top guys in the tournaments, players, you are ready.




I do think that Nole worries too much about how other people view him (including if they like him or where they rate him) at times.

Vida
01-21-2009, 04:29 PM
Why is everyone agreeing with Djokovic? Wow he's the defending champ, who couldn't even get to the final of 2 warm up tournaments. Are we suppost to be impressed NOLE? Is the media suppost to spin it in a way that you're just playing possum and ready to step on the gas pedal once the Open rolls around? Results speak for themselves bro.

djokovic trounces murray in three sets.

xelena
01-21-2009, 04:30 PM
clara, you dont have to explain me how nadal improved and bla bla.. we all now how nadal is extremly humble which at sometimes seems that is a well prepared statement and has nothing to do with being sincere.
worrying- is a term that has yet to be defined when it comes to tennis players
we dont now are they "worrying" but we now they have PR's and constantly they're briefed from their sponsors on various things especially communication.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 04:36 PM
clara, you dont have to explain me how nadal improved and bla bla.. we all now how nadal is extremly humble which at sometimes seems that is a well prepared statement and has nothing to do with being sincere.
worrying- is a term that has yet to be defined when it comes to tennis players
we dont now are they "worrying" but we now they have PR's and constantly they're briefed from their sponsors on various things especially communication.

He is so humble...that looks slimy from time to time. C'mon, Rafa, be a man!:sad:

@LleytonMonfils:
Oh, traditional Djoko-hater...are you blind or what?

elessar
01-21-2009, 04:39 PM
I do think that Nole worries too much about how other people view him (including if they like him or where they rate him) at times.
That's because underneath the bravado he's very insecure like Roger, while underneath the fakeness mr Humbalito hides a gigantic ego that gives him confidence :awww:

Clara Bow
01-21-2009, 04:39 PM
clara, you dont have to explain me how nadal improved and bla bla.. we all now how nadal is extremly humble which at sometimes seems that is a well prepared statement and has nothing to do with being sincere.
worrying- is a term that has yet to be defined when it comes to tennis players
we dont now are they "worrying" but we now they have PR's and constantly they're briefed from their sponsors on various things especially communication.


Well- I agree that Rafa may at times seem to just not rock the boat. But since he won his first grand slam when he was listed as a favorite despite never having even played RG- I do think that he he can relate to Murray being a favorite without ever having won a grand slam. You don't have to think so- but I do think here he is actually stating his real opinion. Although his bashers will never believe him not matter what he says. Why wouldn't he feel that Murray could win a grand slam? I guess I don't see how that has to be false when Murray has beaten him, Nole and Federer, won Cincy and Madrid, was a finalist at the USO and won a leadup tournanet to the Aussie. It makes sense to me- but oh well... Sorry for wasting your time with my "bla bla" as you described it. ;)

In addition don't need to agree with me in use of the use of "worry" but I still think that Nole sometimes focues too much on how much fans may or may be cheering for him, etc. I do think he worries too much about what people think about him and if he has been slighted, even if he has a team, etc.

Aenea
01-21-2009, 04:40 PM
clara, you dont have to explain me how nadal improved and bla bla.. we all now how nadal is extremly humble which at sometimes seems that is a well prepared statement and has nothing to do with being sincere.
worrying- is a term that has yet to be defined when it comes to tennis players
we dont now are they "worrying" but we now they have PR's and constantly they're briefed from their sponsors on various things especially communication.

Nadal "doesn't speak any languages" but xelena speaks perfect English :bigclap:

It looks quite bad to criticize somebody for his poor language skills when you yourself are nearly on the same level.

sawan66278
01-21-2009, 04:41 PM
You make a pretty good point, but then sort of undermine your argument with a statement like that. Their meetings since? You mean then ONE on the ATP circuit? A tough 4 setter, including a tie break and a set where Rafa gave up a 3-1 30-0 lead against a lights-out Murray in a tournament where Rafa wasn't playing anywhere near as well as he had been the previous month on hard courts? Which leaves their H2H at... 5-1? I'd still consider any best of 5 match they play on HC a real toss up until a definitive trend emerges, which hasn't happened yet.

He is so humble...that looks slimy from time to time. C'mon, Rafa, be a man!:sad:

@LleytonMonfils:
Oh, traditional Djoko-hater...are you blind or what?


Why is it that when one TRIES to be humble (i.e. act with class and humility), cynics always attack and claim it is not "sincere". I guess one should act in a haughty manner out of fear that one might think one "slimy" and insincere.

So, by analogy, if I am angry at someone or something, I should curse them out and smash things (or them)...because I should carry out how I feel, rather than HOW I should act: which is with calmness and patience.

Clara Bow
01-21-2009, 04:47 PM
C'mon, Rafa, be a man!

Seriously in this instance, how does saying that Murray is capable of winning this tournament meant that someone is "slimy"? I guess just because I think that Murray has a very good chance to win and deserves to be condidered a favorite I don't understand why (in my opinion) making sense with saying that Murray is ready to win a slam means that one is a wuss. It is just being pragmatic and realistic in my view.

Should Rafa rate himself as more of a favorite than Murray? Why? It just doesn't make sense when most folks here and in the media keep saying how he will have a hard time winning a hardcourt grand slam. In my view, Murray is a deserved favorite and is more likely to win this title than Rafa and has a good of a chance as Roger and Nole.

Anyway- back to Nole- it actually could be good for him in terms of pressure that folks are talking about Andy more. Just let it flow man....and get revenge for any perceived slighting on the courts.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 04:49 PM
Why is it that when one TRIES to be humble (i.e. act with class and humility), cynics always attack and claim it is not "sincere". I guess one should act in a haughty manner out of fear that one might think one "slimy" and insincere.

So, by analogy, if I am angry at someone or something, I should curse them out and smash things (or them)...because I should carry out how I feel, rather than HOW I should act: which is with calmness and patience.

You are not the person who should raise the voice against it. And you know the answer, lawyer. He acts like pussy sometimes when he talks, but his body language tells different on the court, where he often had no respect for the opponents with his antics. I like humble guys, but sometimes what's enough is enough. Even Fed became more honest lately.:devil:

manuel84
01-21-2009, 04:52 PM
Does it really matter who's the favorite? You gotta win it to lift it.

Henry Chinaski
01-21-2009, 04:54 PM
"But you cannot put him as the favourite next to Roger and Rafa and myself here at the Australian Open."


http://sport.my.msn.com/tennis/article.aspx?cp-documentid=2187815

subtle manipulation from the reporter leaving out the word "first" before "favourite" in the article, altering the context of what Djokovic said.

Djok has been written off by a lot of people early this season. He has a right to be pissed and it's good to see an honest answer.

Anyone who knows anything about betting could tell you that in reality Fed is and has been favourite all along though. The odds complilers at the British books, highly influential on the rest of the market, anticipated a flood of mug patriotic money on Murray and offered deliberately shitty odds to save themselves a fortune should he do it safe in the knowledge that mug money wouldn't be put off by a valueless price.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 04:56 PM
Seriously in this instance, how does saying that Murray is capable of winning this tournament meant that someone is "slimy"? I guess just because I think that Murray has a very good chance to win and deserves to be condidered a favorite I don't understand why (in my opinion) making sense with saying that Murray is ready to win a slam means that one is a wuss. It is just being pragmatic and realistic in my view.

Should Rafa rate himself as more of a favorite than Murray? Why? It just doesn't make sense when most folks here and in the media keep saying how he will have a hard time winning a hardcourt grand slam. In my view, Murray is a deserved favorite and is more likely to win this title than Rafa and has a good of a chance as Roger and Nole.

Anyway- back to Nole- it actually could be good for him in terms of pressure that folks are talking about Andy more. Just let it flow man....

It's not about this one statement.

Clara Bow
01-21-2009, 05:04 PM
It's not about this one statement.

But I was talking about this particular statement when it was implied that Rafa was not being sincere - so I thought that was what it was about since this thread is about views on Murray being perceived as a favorite. Wasn't trying to derail the thread with folks talking about Rafa and is he sincere or not all the time. I was talking about views on Murray and therefore, how I didn't view Rafa's statement that Murray is ready to win as false.

Sorry for any thread derailing.

tangerine_dream
01-21-2009, 05:58 PM
The British press is already becoming unbearably obnoxious, God help us if Murray should win AO, Wimbledon will be a complete nightmare.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 06:03 PM
The British press is already becoming unbearably obnoxious, God help us if Murray should win AO, Wimbledon will be a complete nightmare.

:lol:

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 06:05 PM
Djoker is better then Murray its pretty obvious. If Murray wants to disprove that he needs to win a slam. Simple as that. And then he's only on par with Djoker.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 06:10 PM
Nadal "doesn't speak any languages" but xelena speaks perfect English :bigclap:

It looks quite bad to criticize somebody for his poor language skills when you yourself are nearly on the same level.

This is stupid. You can't compare her with Nadal, unless she's Jankovic...

Nadal is a top player traveling, fighting and giving interviews all over the world...he HAS to be good in english . It's part of his job, BTW.

RogerFan82
01-21-2009, 06:14 PM
The British press is already becoming unbearably obnoxious, God help us if Murray should win AO, Wimbledon will be a complete nightmare.

:yeah:

Herdwick
01-21-2009, 06:21 PM
The British press is already becoming unbearably obnoxious, God help us if Murray should win AO, Wimbledon will be a complete nightmare.

Yep - it's pretty embarrassing and exacerbated by the fact that tennis otherwise is ignored, so most comment is simplistic and jingoistic. To be fair to Andy, he clearly dislikes it too but now has the PR guys telling him he has to play ball with the press and can't just snarl at them as it looks like he wants to.

If he should do a Nadal-style run this year we will have to go into media purdah. (Mind you - we're having to do that with Obama at present :D)

Bascule
01-21-2009, 06:25 PM
But I was talking about this particular statement when it was implied that Rafa was not being sincere - so I thought that was what it was about since this thread is about views on Murray being perceived as a favorite. Wasn't trying to derail the thread with folks talking about Rafa and is he sincere or not all the time. I was talking about views on Murray and therefore, how I didn't view Rafa's statement that Murray is ready to win as false.

Sorry for any thread derailing.

No, I am derailing threads much often.:o

"Rafa, be a man!" sounds like a joke, but in general, I think lot of posters are sick of Mr. Humbalito from time to time (excluding Rafatards, Rafa fanboys and Rafa chat-chicks). As I said, his body language was not so humble on the court, so it makes no sense.
With this last statement Rafa already gives excuses to his fans for another loss we shall see these days.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 06:31 PM
Quote:
Q. You practiced with him this morning. How do you see the threats of Andy Murray?

RAFAEL NADAL: He's playing well, no? He's playing good tennis, with confidence. He started the season very well, winning in Doha. He finish the 2008 season playing well, the last four months of the year. So, well, for sure if he play well, he can win here.

But right now everybody start from the first round here and everything going to be difficult for everybody, no?


Q. Did you expect to see his improvement over the last nine months? Were you surprised by the way he's suddenly burst through?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no. I not surprised, no. He is a very talented player. He's a very good player. No, didn't surprise me.


Q. Do you think he needs to prove himself on the big stage, at a Grand Slam?

RAFAEL NADAL: Who, Murray?


Q. Yes.

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, when you win Cincinnati, when you win Madrid, when you win Doha playing against Federer, playing against Roddick, you are ready for win a Grand Slam, no? I feel that when I went to the French Open for first time and I won. So if you win the top guys in the tournaments, players, you are ready.

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Rafa being a victim of his own sincerity here.

Bascule
01-21-2009, 06:36 PM
Quote:
Q. You practiced with him this morning. How do you see the threats of Andy Murray?

RAFAEL NADAL: He's playing well, no? He's playing good tennis, with confidence. He started the season very well, winning in Doha. He finish the 2008 season playing well, the last four months of the year. So, well, for sure if he play well, he can win here.

But right now everybody start from the first round here and everything going to be difficult for everybody, no?


Q. Did you expect to see his improvement over the last nine months? Were you surprised by the way he's suddenly burst through?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, no. I not surprised, no. He is a very talented player. He's a very good player. No, didn't surprise me.


Q. Do you think he needs to prove himself on the big stage, at a Grand Slam?

RAFAEL NADAL: Who, Murray?


Q. Yes.

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, when you win Cincinnati, when you win Madrid, when you win Doha playing against Federer, playing against Roddick, you are ready for win a Grand Slam, no? I feel that when I went to the French Open for first time and I won. So if you win the top guys in the tournaments, players, you are ready.

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Rafa being a victim of his own sincerity here.

:lol: Xelena, we are THE experts!

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 06:39 PM
:lol: Xelena, we are THE experts!

NOT! :lol:

martinatreue
01-21-2009, 07:18 PM
It's not a big deal what he said. :rolleyes:

yonexforever
01-21-2009, 07:22 PM
How interesting that the current No 1 has no problem with Murray being considered a favorite!

Roger and Novak are now chasers and CLEARLY sensitive!

Andi-M
01-21-2009, 07:24 PM
I don't dislike Nole and I think he has a point to an extent.

But he is blatently just dying for attention i mean no-one really talks about him anymore and no-one laughs at his jokes anymore. So this is just a way to get sme more publicity, good for him.

Muz dont give a damn who's favorite he just wants to get on with it.

biological
01-21-2009, 07:29 PM
I agree with Nole :shrug:

xargon
01-21-2009, 08:18 PM
[QUOTE=ruanz33;8042218]Im loving the lastest words from Djoker {QUOTE]

The night before the match between Davy and Djok at TMC, Murray proclaimed that Davy would win. So what's the big deal? Can't Murray take it?

richie21
01-21-2009, 09:30 PM
Federer and the Djoker are just scared of Murray.
They are especially scared of how dominant and confident Murray might become if he won his first Slam.

«Ivan»
01-21-2009, 09:35 PM
first of all-this journalist question is idiotic.murray would be pissed like nole.
fed 'n nole did say what they think(balls included),only rafa has no guts to tell.old story.
i'd like to hear roddick,what's his thoughts about murray's already taken slam.i'm sure he'd slap this journalist.
since when is big 4?since ugly took cincy?bs.

murray/british press flies so high these days.fall will be titanic.

«Ivan»
01-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Federer and the Djoker are just scared of Murray.
They are especially scared of how dominant and confident Murray might become if he won his first Slam.

don't be silly.delete this.

dam0dred
01-21-2009, 09:37 PM
As much as I loathe Djokovic, even I can admit this article is totally unfair and really a sad attempt to stir up controversy.

Lullaby
01-21-2009, 09:37 PM
Federer and the Djoker are just scared of Murray.
They are especially scared of how dominant and confident Murray might become if he won his first Slam.

I am with Ritchie on this

I dont think murray will be ready to pick up a slam until next year or even the year after. I do think that if he gets through the hard bit of winning that 1st slam at some point that his game will go onto another level

Lullaby
01-21-2009, 09:41 PM
As much as I loathe Djokovic, even I can admit this article is totally unfair and really a sad attempt to stir up controversy.

It wont stir up controversy between them though as they are really good friends and will laugh at all the hype and fuss together

Corey Feldman
01-21-2009, 09:43 PM
cant believe how far this is becoming - and ppl cant just keep blaming the British overhyping either

While Fed, Djokovic, and Murray the attention seekers are having themselves a fun high-school popularity contest, the #1 is quietly takin care of business :)and how exactly is Murray put in that group? he didnt ask for any of this

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 09:44 PM
Federer and the Djoker are just scared of Murray.
They are especially scared of how dominant and confident Murray might become if he won his first Slam.

Well at least someone with a little sense here, all be it twisted sense. Federer and Djokovic realizes they can keep Murray at bay by siding with someone in the top 3. Its called intelligence.

chammer44
01-21-2009, 09:47 PM
Saxon or Pict contenders will always have homefield advantage in the Slams, 3 out of 4 of which are in English speaking countries. Being a Serb a Swiss or a Spaniard amounts to diddly shit in the Saxon Domains.

Fed and Djoker better get used to the media ambushes. Cro-magnon man, on the other hand, anticipated the Murray Mania in the English speaking Press and has performed - in spite of his fractured english - with aplomb.

rocketassist
01-21-2009, 10:29 PM
whatever...

Rodduck is a one slam wonder and he's won more matches than Faker this year, so why isn't he in the mix?

If Faker is losing to former bitches like Nieminen in warm ups, why should he be favoured over a guy who's been beating him and the other two lately?

danton
01-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Fair enough Murray hasn't won a slam but I wouldn't talk about Djoke in the same sentence as Fed and Nadal either. He's won just one slam and achieved little when compared to the other two.

Andi-M
01-21-2009, 10:35 PM
If this was a AMS or a MM the form player would be favourite for the title.

So some people shock horror applied this theory to a GS and now poor Muzza is getting caned for it???:confused:

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 10:43 PM
Well its not like Muzza is all innocent in this. If he wants to take on the GOAT in a war of words he better be able to stand the heat.

Andi-M
01-21-2009, 10:47 PM
Who started the war of words?

Fed may be the GOAT but he's not god if he says something disrepectful to his oppenant his oppenant has every right to say something back.

Running:Free
01-21-2009, 11:00 PM
I don't dislike Nole and I think he has a point to an extent.

But he is blatently just dying for attention i mean no-one really talks about him anymore and no-one laughs at his jokes anymore. So this is just a way to get sme more publicity, good for him.

Muz dont give a damn who's favorite he just wants to get on with it.

The last thing Novak wants to do at the moment is draw attention to himself. It is obvious from past results and patterns that he performs best when the spotlight is on someone else. Regarding gaining publicity - In Australia, he is doing no more interviews than what he is contractually obligated to. If he wanted publicity, he'd be out there.

Clydey
01-21-2009, 11:08 PM
Well its not like Muzza is all innocent in this. If he wants to take on the GOAT in a war of words he better be able to stand the heat.

What has Murray said that has wound Federer and Djokovic up? He's had nothing to do with this. This is all about Federer and Djokovic responding to the press. I don't particularly mind what they say, but they're clearly feeling a little threatened.

l_mac
01-21-2009, 11:17 PM
Murray no Open favourite, storms Djokovic
Defending champion Novak Djokovic angrily rejected suggestions Andy Murray had overtaken him in the pecking order after roaring into the Australian Open's third round on Wednesday.
The world number three said Murray, some bookmakers' favourite for the Grand Slam title, had to wait in line behind himself, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer.

"What's his ranking and my ranking?" he challenged.

"All respect to Andy, I like him as a person and as a player. He's done a lot in the last couple months, and he's a very talented player and we can expect him to win some Grand Slams in the future.

"But you cannot put him as the favourite next to Roger and Rafa and myself here at the Australian Open."

Don't remember Nole complaining last year when he went into the AO with similar hype, despite having no Slam. :rolleyes:

He really is a baby, isn't he? Really pathetic when he isn't getting the attention he thinks he deserves :lol:

This is why I'll never be a fan of this petulant arsehole.
He didn't boast that he is going to be world number 1. He said that he has hardly any points to defend in the first half of the year and he has the most points since Wimbledon, so he has a chance.

There's actually a very good chance that he'll be number 1 by the time Wimbledon comes around, assuming that he reaches at least the semis of the AO. He said that he doesn't want to become number 1 before he wins a GS, though.
:haha:

Keep dreaming Clydey.
Murray may become #1 by Wimbledon you say. Let's see - if he reaches AO SF this would be +720pts. He has 1000pts to defend from Madrid and this year Madrid is in May and on clay. Well he has chances in some MS tourneys but some of them are on clay as is RG and what can Andy do on clay. So far he hasn't achieved anything on dirt. Let's first see how he fares in the clay MS and RG and then we could talk about his chances of becoming #1 this season.

Is there something about the rank that I don't know or will the Madrid points be cancelled in autumn?

I think Nathi is right. Madrid points will come off in October. Ranking points come off according to the week in the calendar they were won the previous year.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 11:17 PM
Im just saying Murray played his little part. He didnt have to respond but he did.

vucina
01-21-2009, 11:19 PM
What has Murray said that has wound Federer and Djokovic up? He's had nothing to do with this. This is all about Federer and Djokovic responding to the press. I don't particularly mind what they say, but they're clearly feeling a little threatened.

No, they just allowed obnoxious British journalist scum get to them. It's got nothing to do with Murray.

ORGASMATRON
01-21-2009, 11:50 PM
Btw i love that Djoker got invloved. This is tennis at its best on and off the court. There is so much bitching going on in this forum but if the players do it you are surprised. This is awesome :lol:

Clydey
01-22-2009, 12:10 AM
:haha:

Keep dreaming Clydey.


Bookmarking this post. :)

nobama
01-22-2009, 12:20 AM
Djerk feeling left out. :sad:

Corey Feldman
01-22-2009, 12:24 AM
Im just saying Murray played his little part. He didnt have to respond but he did.you just cant handle that Muzza made a great & lighthearted response when he was asked about it, unlike Fed, who threw his toys out the pram and was infuriated that someone doesnt think him as the fave

asmazif
01-22-2009, 12:47 AM
Nole's response to the question was perfectly fine, and correct. But yeh, I get the sense that flying under the radar here would help him somewhat. But whatever, hardly his fault.

ORGASMATRON
01-22-2009, 12:50 AM
you just cant handle that Muzza made a great & lighthearted response when he was asked about it, unlike Fed, who threw his toys out the pram and was infuriated that someone doesnt think him as the fave

Not true, i can handle anything.

bokehlicious
01-22-2009, 07:08 AM
Fed may be the GOAT but he's not god if he says something disrepectful to his oppenant his oppenant has every right to say something back.

Saying he'd pick himself as the favourite over Murray is not exactly being disrepectful, it's just common sense (13 > 0) :shrug:

FairWeatherFan
01-22-2009, 07:11 AM
Can't stand Djokovic's arrogance. It will be sweet when he gets taken out at AO.

Aenea
01-22-2009, 07:59 AM
I think Nathi is right. Madrid points will come off in October. Ranking points come off according to the week in the calendar they were won the previous year.

In May or in the fall points will come off eventually.
My point wasn't when will the pts come off but that Murray has pts to defend in the first half of the season and mainly that the tournament is now on clay. Just as I said in my previous post until I see Andy winning a MS on clay or lifting RG trophy I'm not considering him a force on that surface. Clyday's words that Andy is "much better all round player now" are not enough to convince me :p

l_mac
01-22-2009, 08:01 AM
In May or in the fall points will come off eventually.
My point wasn't when will the pts come off but that Murray has pts to defend in the first half of the season and mainly that the tournament is now on clay. Just as I said in my previous post until I see Andy winning a MS on clay or lifting RG trophy I'm not considering him a force on that surface. Clyday words that Andy is "much better all round player now" are not enough to convince me :p

Andy has pretty much nothing to defend until Wimbledon. So unless you mean he won't defend all those R3 points he has, you are incorrect. And, yes, Madrid is now on clay, but there is a hardcourt 1000 to replace it in the fall, so it's not like he is missing out on a tournament. Shangai will be played as an indoor 1000.

I don't agree with Clydey that Andy will be #1 by WImbledon, but I do think he will pick up a lot more points between now and then than he did last year.

marcRD
01-22-2009, 08:06 AM
I think Federer questioned Murrays favoritism in a classier way, but I still didnt like it. It really send a message that he was feeling threatened by Murray, he seemed so frustated in Doha. I think Murray is really becoming a mental case for Federer, he is just so difficult to beat.

I do however question his chanses in a grand slam, the way he runs around on the court takes alot of energy. He will probably be in marathona against both Tsonga and Nadal before the final. In the USOPEN final he was so tired after that 4 set match against Nadal and that was the reason Federer beat him so easily.

Aenea
01-22-2009, 08:16 AM
Andy has pretty much nothing to defend until Wimbledon. So unless you mean he won't defend all those R3 points he has, you are incorrect. And, yes, Madrid is now on clay, but there is a hardcourt 1000 to replace it in the fall, so it's not like he is missing out on a tournament. Shangai will be played as an indoor 1000.

I know all this, l_mac.

This is taking us nowhere :sad: Well ok whatever you say :shrug:

FedFan_2007
01-22-2009, 08:20 AM
Let Murray & Djokovic squabble. Federer will have the last laugh.

JolánGagó
01-22-2009, 08:57 AM
This is stupid. You can't compare her with Nadal, unless she's Jankovic...

Nadal is a top player traveling, fighting and giving interviews all over the world...he HAS to be good in english . It's part of his job, BTW.

Bullshit. His job is playing tennis and that he does better than anyone else at the moment.

tennizen
01-22-2009, 09:10 AM
In May or in the fall points will come off eventually.
My point wasn't when will the pts come off but that Murray has pts to defend in the first half of the season and mainly that the tournament is now on clay. Just as I said in my previous post until I see Andy winning a MS on clay or lifting RG trophy I'm not considering him a force on that surface. Clyday's words that Andy is "much better all round player now" are not enough to convince me :p

Andy has pretty much nothing to defend until Wimbledon. So unless you mean he won't defend all those R3 points he has, you are incorrect. And, yes, Madrid is now on clay, but there is a hardcourt 1000 to replace it in the fall, so it's not like he is missing out on a tournament. Shangai will be played as an indoor 1000.

I don't agree with Clydey that Andy will be #1 by WImbledon, but I do think he will pick up a lot more points between now and then than he did last year.

If you don't pick on her exact words I think what Aenea is saying is pretty clear. It's true that Murray has very little to defend between now and Wimbledon. But it was pretty much the same case in 2008 also( He had almost nothing to defend during the whole clay season and yet he failed to make any signficant impression or gain points on the surface). So discounting the hard court masters since the majority of tournaments will be played on clay and his form so far on the surface has been pretty questionable, it's too early to be saying anything about catching upto #1. For that you have to assume the other 3 are not going to defend a considerable portion of their points in that period.

Byrd
01-22-2009, 08:25 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7845519.stm

Go to the end, and he makes a slight dig at Faker & Fed.

Muzza fuck 'em up :rocker2:

Clydey
01-22-2009, 08:32 PM
:lol:

Saw this earlier. Was going to post it, but I thought Prima Donna would hang himself if this little drama got any more attention.

Liked the little comment at the end about them concentrating on their tennis.

Andi-M
01-22-2009, 08:33 PM
Classy guy this Murray

Branimir
01-22-2009, 08:44 PM
Murray is right. Wtf Djokovic and Federer have to talk who is the favorite and complain cause Murray is favorite. Doesn't make sense to me at all. Shouldn't they be glad that Murray is favorite?

Murray put so much muscle, he is gonna dominate.

scarecrows
01-22-2009, 08:46 PM
great reply

let the racket do the talking dumbos

Lleyton_
01-22-2009, 08:47 PM
All this hype will come to an end soon :haha: I can't wait :D