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(WC) Klein Def Phau 6-4 6-3 4-6 6-3

azza
01-19-2009, 05:46 AM
wtf sif aussies are winning lol

Snowwy
01-19-2009, 05:47 AM
Dedicated to CooCooCachoo

TMJordan
01-19-2009, 05:48 AM
These Germans suck. It better continue tommorow with Ball against giant mug Berrer.

azza
01-19-2009, 05:49 AM
Nuh Ball will lose

rafa_maniac
01-19-2009, 05:49 AM
But... but... Australians aren't supposed to win at tennis anymore :eek:

jmf07
01-19-2009, 05:50 AM
:eek: Klein. No way did I expect this. Was this just Klein playing extremely well or was Phau having a terrible day?

Tankman
01-19-2009, 05:53 AM
:lol: this is getting ridiculous... would be quite funny if all the Aussies won first round except Hewitt :rolls:

that said, looks like a very convincing win from Klein :yeah:

Tough match against Stan next :tape: From his performance against Minar, he looks a little rusty, but still hard to see Klein winning that one atm. But I hope to be surprised.

azza
01-19-2009, 06:06 AM
Stan will kill Klein in straights stan is uber level then klein

Nathaliia
01-19-2009, 06:07 AM
lol
Good win for him and in the end TA didn't look so cockchimpy like it appeared at the beginning.

Or Levy
01-19-2009, 07:27 AM
He kicked me right out of suicide.

Should have known better than to bet against the home boys.

Good job kid.

Machiavelli
01-19-2009, 08:11 AM
Phau strikes again, not as bad as petzschner, but still pathetic....

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 09:05 AM
Dedicated to CooCooCachoo

:lol:

I still fully believe that he did not deserve the WC. I don't understand how the heck he came up with this stuff; maybe he is someone who plays his best in front of a big home crowd. Anyway, full respect to Klein and a big WTF to Björn, who had a great draw.

Let's see if Klein can keep it up in the next round.

maxxo
01-19-2009, 09:10 AM
dayum those germans are costing me some serious cash today. i really am a mug for betting on mugs like this

chewy
01-19-2009, 11:13 AM
Well done Klein, pretty good show from the aussies today!

Audacity
01-19-2009, 12:40 PM
Everytime I flicked over the channel, Klein was down a break, but he managed to break back, and break again. He seemed to get pumped up by the crowd. No matter who the opponent was, or how bad they played; a win is a win when it comes to Aussie tennis.

aussie_fan
01-19-2009, 01:11 PM
Only was able to see the end of this, Klein has seem to improve a little bit off the groundbut i still don't think eh is that good. Great win by him though.

shotgun
01-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Looks like Klein's WC wasn't that undeserved after all. :)

Experimentee
01-19-2009, 02:47 PM
Phau must have put in a shocker of a match. I'm sure other Aussies who missed out on WCs would have beaten him too. Is this Klein's first top 200 victory?

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 05:23 PM
Phau must have put in a shocker of a match. I'm sure other Aussies who missed out on WCs would have beaten him too. Is this Klein's first top 200 victory?

Might well be his first Top 300 victory :tape:

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 05:24 PM
Looks like Klein's WC wasn't that undeserved after all. :)

I don't think this changes anything about that. The WC was undeserved, but he made good use of the opportunity he got. And Phau should be ashamed.

shotgun
01-19-2009, 06:33 PM
I don't think this changes anything about that. The WC was undeserved, but he made good use of the opportunity he got. And Phau should be ashamed.

Who deserved the WC more in your opinion?

JMG
01-19-2009, 06:50 PM
Usually Phau is a good mug killer in big tournaments, so this was a bad surprise.

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 07:34 PM
Who deserved the WC more in your opinion?

Luczak mainly.

shotgun
01-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Luczak mainly.

Luczak you could make a case for, considering his ranking and the fact he's a Davis Cup player, even though he's already turning 30 this year and hardcourts are not his best surface (he's no clown on it either though).

Still, I think Klein deserved the WC over Ball and Groth, so he's not the one who should be targeted here. From the Aussie young guns he's the one who had the better season last year (much better than Lindahl and Jones), so why not give him a WC?

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 08:48 PM
Luczak you could make a case for, considering his ranking and the fact he's a Davis Cup player, even though he's already turning 30 this year and hardcourts are not his best surface (he's no clown on it either though).

Still, I think Klein deserved the WC over Ball and Groth, so he's not the one who should be targeted here. From the Aussie young guns he's the one who had the better season last year (much better than Lindahl and Jones), so why not give him a WC?

Over Ball and Groth? No way. I'd like to see you make that case.

Klein's ranking improved a lot, but he failed to beat anyone impressive, and never won against a Top 300 player in the entire season. The only thing he has working for him is a 2007 Junior performance at the AO, and his age. In the play-offs he sucked balls too. Plus, he got demolished by Berdych in Brisbane, while someone like Sirianni, though old, ploughed his way through qualies, and almost took out Llodra. Moreover, Sirianni had shown good form in the play-offs (and also did so in the AO qualies). While I understand why Joe was not given a WC, I just don't that sticking with a youth policy coûte que coûte is the way to go. Unfortunately, considering Tomic and Klein both miraculously won against opponents who put up an appearantly shameful performance, this policy will be continued by TA.

Luczak, by the way, came into the AO in great form.

I'd have favoured Klein over Lindahl and Jones too, but that isn't saying much. Matosevic, Coelho, Ebden would have been worthier candidates than Klein in my opinion.

Snowwy
01-19-2009, 08:58 PM
Luczak, by the way, came into the AO in great form.

Then how do you explain losing to Wayne Odesnik in qualifying :haha:

dylan24
01-19-2009, 09:00 PM
germany shouldn't allow phau back into the country.
what a disgrace this german is

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Then how do you explain losing to Wayne Odesnik in qualifying :haha:

Apparently Luczak played really poorly in qualies, from the reports I read. That doesn't mean that he didn't come into the event in great form (he demolished Clément and Hernych, and did well at the play-offs).

shotgun
01-19-2009, 09:19 PM
Over Ball and Groth? No way. I'd like to see you make that case.

Klein's ranking improved a lot, but he failed to beat anyone impressive, and never won against a Top 300 player in the entire season. The only thing he has working for him is a 2007 Junior performance at the AO, and his age. In the play-offs he sucked balls too. Plus, he got demolished by Berdych in Brisbane, while someone like Sirianni, though old, ploughed his way through qualies, and almost took out Llodra. Moreover, Sirianni had shown good form in the play-offs (and also did so in the AO qualies). While I understand why Joe was not given a WC, I just don't that sticking with a youth policy coûte que coûte is the way to go. Unfortunately, considering Tomic and Klein both miraculously won against opponents who put up an appearantly shameful performance, this policy will be continued by TA.

Luczak, by the way, came into the AO in great form.

I'd have favoured Klein over Lindahl and Jones too, but that isn't saying much. Matosevic, Coelho, Ebden would have been worthier candidates than Klein in my opinion.

Groth is two years older than Klein and has a worse ranking. Way too inconsistent and beating a few good players shouldn't warrant a WC tbf. Same could be said about Ball. At their age, either you're in the top 200 or you don't have much hope of making an impact on the main tour in the future.

Both Sirianni and Luczak are nice guys but they have already been given a lot of opportunities in the past. Luczak maybe deserved a WC for what he has done to Aussie tennis in the bad period they're going through, but that's all.

You seem to be a big fan of challenger players, but IMO they should rather go to promising youngsters. The experience of playing in the MD of a Slam could be crucial to their development.

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 09:45 PM
Groth is two years older than Klein and has a worse ranking. Way too inconsistent and beating a few good players shouldn't warrant a WC tbf. Same could be said about Ball. At their age, either you're in the top 200 or you don't have much hope of making an impact on the main tour in the future.

Both Sirianni and Luczak are nice guys but they have already been given a lot of opportunities in the past. Luczak maybe deserved a WC for what he has done to Aussie tennis in the bad period they're going through, but that's all.

You seem to be a big fan of challenger players, but IMO they should rather go to promising youngsters. The experience of playing in the MD of a Slam could be crucial to their development.

I understand why they would give WCs to young players, and that is why I am not vehemently opposed to Tomic getting one. Klein, however, to me, has shown very, very little that makes me think he can actually be the real deal. Moreover, giving WCs to junior players that simply aren't ready can also have the complete opposite effect by demoralizing them.

Ball's WC was very obvious and undisputed, and I am simply shocked you think Klein's WC was more deserved. I really fail to see how you can argue that. Ball was one of the revelations on the Challenger Tour in 2008, working his way up from Futures. He is still young (20), cracked the Top 200 for the first time in 2008, and reached one final (Tunica Resorts), three semi finals (Yuba City, Aptos, Binghamton) and two quarter finals. He also did better in Futures than Klein. He beat several Top 300 players: Pless, Kim, DeHeart, Stadler, Udomchoke, Polansky, Lacko, Amritraj, Van der Merwe. He even beat Top 100 players: Isner, Levine, Spadea.

Groth's is less straight-forward, but is also 20, cracked the Top 240 for the first time in 2008. He reached 1 SF (Yokohama), 2 QF (Manchester, Cordoba), and showed that he can compete with players on the ATP Tour (qualified for Nottingham defeating Tipsarevic, and taking Simon to the edge). He did defeat Top 300 players: Rosol, Moodie, Evans, Kendrick, Tipsarevic (Top 100), Baker, Yani, Menendez, Slabinsky, Levy. Inconsistent, yes, but that is inherent in his game. Moreover, Klein's results don't exactly show any stability either. Plus, and this to me is very important, he reached the final of the play-offs, showing he is better than most other Aussie players, showing he can do well on the surface and showing he is in-form.

This can be contrasted with one SF and one QF for Klein, I think. And both were in very weak New Delhi Challengers, where he did not meet (or at least beat) a Top 300 player. In the play-offs, Klein only beat a Greg Jones who hasn't done well in I don't know how long, and recorded losses to McKenzie and Luczak.

Please note that I am not a fan of Klein, Luczak, Groth or Ball. I like Sirianni, but am also not a fan of him.

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 09:46 PM
Oh, as for your part on promising youngsters, considering the fact that it takes male players quite some time to mature and fulfil their potential, I think that a 20-year-old is still worthy of a WC and should not be written off. It's not like you are ancient and near retirement at that age.

shotgun
01-19-2009, 10:07 PM
Ball and Groth are both 21, not 20, CooCoo, and at Klein's current age they were nowhere near the stage of development that Klein currently is. Same could be said about Matosevic, Ebden and the others you mentioned.

Yeah, I agree is not ancient but if you look at the stats, most players that aren't at least inside the top 200 at this age will struggle big time to even make the top 100 in their careers.

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 10:35 PM
Ball and Groth are both 21, not 20, CooCoo, and at Klein's current age they were nowhere near the stage of development that Klein currently is. Same could be said about Matosevic, Ebden and the others you mentioned.

Yeah, I agree is not ancient but if you look at the stats, most players that aren't at least inside the top 200 at this age will struggle big time to even make the top 100 in their careers.

Ah, you're right.

I know very little about how Ball and Groth fared in the junior and Future circuit at Klein's age, but even if you are right I am not arguing that they should have been offered WCs when they were Klein's age ;) I just fail to see what Klein has done that is so special that he should be chosen over Luczak. I'll admit that a fair case can be made when it comes to Coelho, Ebden (even if he was Ebden's bitch last season, 0W-3L) and Matosevic, but Luczak (and Ball and Groth), I don't agree.

But ultimately it comes down to whether you go with a strict youth policy, or whether you take a closer look at recent accomplishments. I believe more in merit; you believe more in prospect. It's all fair; just a difference of preferences.

CooCooCachoo
01-19-2009, 10:36 PM
By the way the reason I thought they were 20 is because they are two years younger than I am, and I am apparently still in denial about the fact that I am 23 now :haha: :o