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Federer vs "New Balls"?

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 08:53 PM
Isn't it kind of embarrassing for Fed to be dissing the new generation? Don't sportsman in other leagues always take the young guys under their wing for mentoring? Instead it seems to me(and I'm a hugest Fedfan) that Fed comes off as bitter and angry because they have the temerity to beat him?

scarecrows
01-16-2009, 08:53 PM
yes
yes
yes

Arkulari
01-16-2009, 08:55 PM
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shawshank
01-16-2009, 08:57 PM
Very interesting point of view. And I think you are right.
The one he always praises is Rafa, but have you ever heard Roger saying sth nice about Nole or Muzza or other young guns? Never.
And it was Fed who started this little discussion between him and Murray few days ago saying that Andy isn't the favourite of AO 2009.

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 08:57 PM
Honestly I bet Nadal goes around Mallorca saying to anyone who will listen - "Roger he is my beyotch, vamos"

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Very interesting point of view. And I think you are right.
The one he always praises is Rafa, but have you ever heard Roger saying sth nice about Nole or Muzza or other young guns? Never.
And it was Fed who started this little discussion between him and Murray few days ago saying that Andy isn't the favourite of AO 2009.

Actually the very first time Nadal beat him in Miami 2004, he had nice things to say - "Rafa will be future #1". My guess is at the time he thought Nadal would not be a threat to him for another 3 years. However by 2006 French Open final he said - "His game is one dimensional". Already bitter and angry that a 20yo was whupping him on clay over and over again with 6-1 H2H at the time.

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 09:03 PM
15-19 vs New Balls(Nadal, Nole & Murray), I don't count Tsonga/Simon in this equation

No wonder his frustration is building, he was utterly dominating his generation(Hewitt, Roddick, Nalby, Denko, Youzhny, etc...) and along come the New Balls and he can't even manage to win 50% of the time.

shawshank
01-16-2009, 09:04 PM
Actually the very first time Nadal beat him in Miami 2004, he had nice things to say - "Rafa will be future #1". My guess is at the time he thought Nadal would not be a threat to him for another 3 years. However by 2006 French Open final he said - "His game is one dimensional". Already bitter and angry that a 20yo was whupping him on clay over and over again with 6-1 H2H at the time.


Nice to find Fed fan who is able to be objective. Good!

ORGASMATRON
01-16-2009, 09:06 PM
If this thread came from anyone else i would have made the effort to make a sensible reply.

scarecrows
01-16-2009, 09:18 PM
Nice to find Fed fan who is able to be objective. Good!

:haha:

leng jai
01-16-2009, 09:49 PM
:haha:

Still waiting for the name change: Nadullfan_2009.

calvinhobbes
01-16-2009, 10:03 PM
No way. All this comes from the swift press interviews after every match. Fed is too kind in answering every question formulated by the press guys, and he tries to express his candid points of view with a fresh sense of humour, giving in some way no trascendency to his words. When he talks about other players, even those who have beaten him, he takes on the hardship of pointing out some characteristic of their game and giving kind of advice. I see this as condescension and a real proof of friendship toward them. He could easily say "No comment" at every question involving his colleagues. Then everybody would shout what a bastard this jesusfed has become.

Dini
01-16-2009, 10:08 PM
No comment.

Tzar
01-16-2009, 10:08 PM
He never dominated david. :rolleyes:

David.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy110.gif

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 10:09 PM
No way. All this comes from the swift press interviews after every match. Fed is too kind in answering every question formulated by the press guys, and he tries to express his candid points of view with a fresh sense of humour, giving in some way no trascendency to his words. When he talks about other players, even those who have beaten him, he takes on the hardship of pointing out some characteristic of their game and giving kind of advice. I see this as condescension and a real proof of friendship toward them. He could easily say "No comment" at every question involving his colleagues. Then everybody would shout what a bastard this jesusfed has become.

Obviously you are implying that Fed relishes the chance to put down the New Balls any chance he gets. Fed thought he'd dominate the New Balls for the first few years and by 2009 they'd start to beat him maybe 40% of the time. The fact that it didn't go according to his plan makes him very bitter. He was looking quite angry at the end of the Murray match in Doha....

FedFan_2007
01-16-2009, 10:09 PM
He never dominated david. :rolleyes:

David.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy110.gif

He did dominate him from 2004-2006.

Tzar
01-16-2009, 10:12 PM
You have to recognize it, If there is someone besides Nadal,Djoko and Murray than can stop Federer, is Nalbandian.

calvinhobbes
01-16-2009, 10:59 PM
Obviously you are implying that Fed relishes the chance to put down the New Balls any chance he gets. Fed thought he'd dominate the New Balls for the first few years and by 2009 they'd start to beat him maybe 40% of the time. The fact that it didn't go according to his plan makes him very bitter. He was looking quite angry at the end of the Murray match in Doha....

Defeat is always bitter. In this case I thought Fedīs bitterness was against the chair umpire, dontīt know why. Rogelio didnīt shake hands with him.
About Fedīs plans, if those were his plans, I believe they have been accomplished quite exactly in the last year. He has won 60% of his matches against "new balls". No bitterness then.

Jaz
01-16-2009, 11:28 PM
I think Feds problems are that the players who are likely to beat him actually play unglamorious Tennis.

If you look at Federer, the way he moves, serves volleys, returns is practically all apetitising on the eye.

Does Federer only respect people who beat him a) When he's playing his best. b) With style.

NYCtennisfan
01-17-2009, 02:22 AM
Nice to find Fed fan who is able to be objective. Good!

:lol:

Forehander
01-17-2009, 02:48 AM
Fedfan is now on the same level as Clay Death

Mimi
01-17-2009, 03:33 AM
lol, very fair of you for not defending Roger under all circumstances :p

he does sound sour to those who beat him, but after all, its just human's nature, may be when i am under his situation, i may feel the same, but I will hide the feelings secretly ;)

Isn't it kind of embarrassing for Fed to be dissing the new generation? Don't sportsman in other leagues always take the young guys under their wing for mentoring? Instead it seems to me(and I'm a hugest Fedfan) that Fed comes off as bitter and angry because they have the temerity to beat him?

holagirl56
01-17-2009, 03:57 AM
oic, you're "a hugest fan".

try again.

holagirl56
01-17-2009, 03:58 AM
Defeat is always bitter. In this case I thought Fedīs bitterness was against the chair umpire, dontīt know why. Rogelio didnīt shake hands with him.
About Fedīs plans, if those were his plans, I believe they have been accomplished quite exactly in the last year. He has won 60% of his matches against "new balls". No bitterness then.

I thought someone reported that Roger did shake hands with the chair, it was just when the cameras were focused on Murray.

brent-o
01-17-2009, 04:01 AM
He never dominated david. :rolleyes:

David.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy110.gif

:worship: That's what I was thinking. I got slightly offended at that.

chammer44
01-17-2009, 04:18 AM
You have to recognize it, If there is someone besides Nadal,Djoko and Murray than can stop Federer, is Nalbandian.

I know a fellow who knows a fellow who works as a trainer for the Swiss Davis Cup team. In that capacity he has gotten to know some of the players very well, one of which being our dearly beloved Roger Federer. Though I can not speak to the trustworthiness of his testimony, the trainer in question related to my contact that in a moment of some intimacy with the great man it was confided to him that of all the players he has faced, Fed hates playing Nalbandian the most. Take it for what it's worth.

neme6
01-17-2009, 04:42 AM
didn't he say that Murray will be no1 if he keeps playing like the way he did the last time he defeated him in Doha, isn't that giving the other guy credit, and as for what he said a few days ago about Murray being the favourite, i thought he actually was criticizing the journalists, maybe a little shot at murray but nothing much!

Swiss Mountain
01-17-2009, 04:59 AM
You have to recognize it, If there is someone besides Nadal,Djoko and Murray than can stop Federer, is Nalbandian.


Lol You obviously miised the Basel final of 2008 :wavey:

habibko
01-17-2009, 06:05 AM
Nice to find Fed fan who is able to be objective. Good!

we need a warning banner in GM showing profiles of certain members.

Commander Data
01-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Nice to find Fed fan who is able to be objective. Good!

He is no Fed Fan, he is a glory hunter. I hope he changes his name to MurrayFan_2009 as soon as possible so that the Murrytards have to deal with him.

richie21
01-17-2009, 04:25 PM
Very interesting point of view. And I think you are right.
The one he always praises is Rafa, but have you ever heard Roger saying sth nice about Nole or Muzza or other young guns? Never.
And it was Fed who started this little discussion between him and Murray few days ago saying that Andy isn't the favourite of AO 2009.

Gasquet??
Didn't he say that Gasquet reminded him a bit of himself(the ultimate compliment) and that he would wish to have his one-handed BH??

Clydey
01-17-2009, 04:35 PM
I thought someone reported that Roger did shake hands with the chair, it was just when the cameras were focused on Murray.

No, someone made that up for whatever reason. Randomly, a bunch of people on the Federer forum claimed that there are pictures of him shaking the umpire's hand (there aren't). He was asked about it in the press conference, but he didn't give a reason for it. He said that he didn't want to talk about it. I know he was annoyed with some of the fans in Doha during the match, so perhaps that had something to do with it.

andreevforehand
01-17-2009, 05:10 PM
I think Feds problems are that the players who are likely to beat him actually play unglamorious Tennis.

If you look at Federer, the way he moves, serves volleys, returns is practically all apetitising on the eye.

Does Federer only respect people who beat him a) When he's playing his best. b) With style.

I think the whole style argument is stupid. If having style were the goal of tennis, then it would be scored by judges holding up cards, like ice skating or diving. Thank god it's not and is objective rather than subjective. With that being said I wouldn't be surprised if Federer did look down upon the two-handed backhand baseline bashers for their lack of "style," since that's what all tennis "purists" or "traditionalists" (a group to which Federer and most people with one-handed backhands and/or over 40 seem to belong) seem to do. Although Murray shouldn't even be in that (baseline basher) category, because despite his two-hand backhanded he has loads of finesse by the standards of today's game.

And on top of all this, I don't even see any reason why a one-handed backhand should be considered more "appetizing to the eye" than a two-handed backhand. I think this has mostly to do with tradition. Although it takes better timing and "finesse," it's inherently weaker (please don't try to argue with me on this point). I think there is beauty in strength, so when I see Safin or Murray crack a clean two-handed winner, I think it's just as "appetizing to the eye" as seeing Federer smack a one-handed passing shot. The point of tennis is to his a shot that your opponent can't hit back, and if hitting with two hands or finishing with the racket above your head is what accomplishes that, then that's what's more appealing to my eye.

Tzar
01-17-2009, 08:07 PM
Lol You obviously miised the Basel final of 2008 :wavey:

Are you stupid or you're just playing it that way?

One match dosn't mean dominating.

God i hate newbies.

Mechlan
01-17-2009, 08:15 PM
Isn't it kind of embarrassing for Fed to be dissing the new generation? Don't sportsman in other leagues always take the young guys under their wing for mentoring? Instead it seems to me(and I'm a hugest Fedfan) that Fed comes off as bitter and angry because they have the temerity to beat him?

Fed is kind of a jerk compared to top players in other sports. :armed:

hilluis
01-17-2009, 09:00 PM
I wonder what sportsmen you mean? If you are referring to footballers, well, football is a team sport so naturally the older players are going to "mentor" the younger ones. Tennis is an individual sport, these young guys are competition. However, agree, Federer is a little snippy with his comments at times.