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Federer Questions Murray favouritism

kloppy
01-13-2009, 06:04 AM
ROGER Federer has backed his own chances for lifting a fourth Australian Open title while marvelling that British bookies are tipping untried Andy Murray for the trophy.

"Murray's the favourite? good for him, but it doesn't help him a lot," said the Swiss player at the presentation of the eight-man Kooyong Classic, considered the top tune-up for the grand slam starting on Monday.

But after losing twice to the Scot this month, once at an unofficial exhibition and in the Doha ATP semi-finals, Federer does give the number four player his due.

"He's put himself into a great position," said the 13-time grand slam champion who could pull level on the all-time best of 14 held by Pete Sampras with a title in Melbourne.

"He's playing well and finished well last year.

"But I'm surprised that the bookies say he's the favourite.

"He's never won a slam, it's surprising to hear."

Murray, losing US Open finalist to Federer four months ago, has come out on top in his most recent meetings against four major rivals: Rafael Nadal, Federer, Novak Djokovic and most recently Andy Roddick in the Doha final.

"Andy shown for a year that's he's knocking on the door," said Federer.

"He's playing with good confidence.

"But winning a slam is a different animal, not many guys have been able to do it.

"Rafa and I have taken a lot of them.

"They don't come easy, but he has a chance like many other players."

Federer will open his Kooyong campaign on Wednesday when he faces likeable Spanish veteran Carlos Moya, whom he has beaten all seven times they've met.

The rest of the opening-day lineup at the promotion-relegation special event includes former Melbourne finalist Marcos Baghdatis against Federer's Swiss Davis Cup teammate Stan Wawrinka, Croatian Marin Cilic facing Brisbane finalist Fernando Verdasco and event veterans Ivan Ljubicic taking on Fernando Gonzalez.

Federer said he is pleased to be on full fitness and feeling good with his game after missing Kooyong a year ago with illness.

And he still feels his lengthy run of grand slam success gives him the edge.

"I have high hopes and aim to play well from the start," said the world number two.

"Of course I'm trying to beat the record of 14 from Sampras so we will see how it goes."

The Swiss player said he feel much less pressure at this stage than he did a few seasons ago.

"I felt the most (pressure) when (I) reached six or seven slam titles and everyone was expecting me to win every match I played. That's gone away and it's a relief.

"But I'm very motivated and will remain so for a long time. I just don't feel a lot of pressure now."


http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24907445-5002324,00.html

I'm quite liking the smug arrogant Fed these days. :D

MsTree
01-13-2009, 06:10 AM
Maybe if he stopped whining and concentrated more on his tennis then Andy wouldn't be favourite for the AO :devil:

kyleskywalker007
01-13-2009, 06:21 AM
I also like this. A lot! However, if (and that is a BIG IF) Murray wins....what is Fed gonna say?

Anyway, here hoping for him to tie Pete once and for all!

opeth84
01-13-2009, 06:37 AM
Well Fed isn't saying Murray won't win the Australian Open but i agree with him that Andy being favourite is a bit silly as he's never won a slam before. The pressure is going to be on the Scot and thats all he's saying.

Forehander
01-13-2009, 07:01 AM
What Federer is saying is that he only played at around 60-70% during his two previous lost against Murray. He tries in the first set, always claims it. Realising that he can win easily if he maintained the high level, he loses the match on purpose.

MIMIC
01-13-2009, 07:05 AM
What Federer is saying is that he only played at around 60-70% during his two previous lost against Murray. He tries in the first set, always claims it. Realising that he can win easily if he maintained the high level, he loses the match on purpose.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not....

Anyway, Federer is right. Winning a Slam is a totally different "animal" (as he put it). If Murray can tame a slam, then he has officially arrived. But is he really considered the No. 1 all-around favorite?

Ferrero Forever
01-13-2009, 07:07 AM
Yeah I agree with Federer. Murray really shouldn't be the favourite, and I'll be very surprised if he does manage to win the tournament.

The_Nadal_effect
01-13-2009, 07:14 AM
Fed saves the best for the slams as usual. It doesn't matter what Andy takes between them. :O

rob88hock
01-13-2009, 07:18 AM
so full of himself. bout time he breaks thru his fake surface.

gjr
01-13-2009, 07:22 AM
I'm a murray fan and don't beleive he should be favourite. Andy himself has said he's not the favourite.

The problem maybe is that punters are putting money on the man in form and the bookies have to react. Since Wimbledon Murray has been the most consistant player but only one of those where a slam.

However if you look at what Nole did from USO 07 to Melb 08 there is a lot to suggest Murray may well win. I have him as 2nd fave behind Fed.

Mimi
01-13-2009, 07:24 AM
:lol: why are the grapes so sour today? honestly, its needless for roger to say that, he already won 13 slams so its all right to let some others to be the favourites ;)

ServeAlready81
01-13-2009, 07:32 AM
Typical comments from Fed, but it's okay right because he's a nice guy :retard:

scoobs
01-13-2009, 07:35 AM
I don't disagree with him - I find it somewhat weird that Murray is favourite, winning 250 events and winning slams are very different things. I think Murray can do it but he has to prove it first.

Roger does come off a bit petulant about these things though.

Benny_Maths
01-13-2009, 07:41 AM
As long as we have a real GS final like at the '05 USO without the pushing and moonballing then everyone wins.:D

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 07:54 AM
Wow awesome stuff, thanks for that! Its true what he's aying about Murray winning a slam. But more importantly that he is feeling less pressure these days AND IS MOTIVATED FOR A LONG TIME TO COME. Also the fact that he was sick last year ar Kooyong, i didnt even know that. No wonder he had a bad start to the season! :eek:

mikkemus23
01-13-2009, 07:55 AM
Arrogant

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 07:57 AM
Typical comments from Fed, but it's okay right because he's a nice guy :retard:

Oh please he's the GOAT he can say whatever the fuck he wants.

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 08:02 AM
"Murray's the favourite? good for him, but it doesn't help him a lot,"

:rolls:

Turquoise
01-13-2009, 08:04 AM
Federer gave an honest opinion, but somehow this comes out as disparaging. He's right actually: winning a grand slam is a different animal; and he should know a thing or two about that.

Unfortunately for him, this will only spur Murray to prove him wrong. ;)

Mimi
01-13-2009, 08:05 AM
sorry, don't agree with this, he is the GOAT but that does not mean he can say whatever he wants. do you mean he is also free to insult people? (i don't mean he is doing this, just an example)

Oh please he's the GOAT he can say whatever the fuck he wants.

habibko
01-13-2009, 08:25 AM
Federer has always been honest with the press and this is no exception, and I fully agree with him, that doesn't say Murray can't or won't win the AO, but he is not favored more than Federer as far as I'm concerned, not even more than Djokovic who already proved he can win it.

Mechlan
01-13-2009, 08:26 AM
Hypersensitive MTF at it again. :lol:

Murray to me is the favorite. He's the on form player and IMO has proven that he can play with the big boys at the Slams. If i were putting money down, it would be on him. But of course that doesn't mean shit. He has to go out and win it. That's basically what Federer is saying (except of course he doesn't think Murray is favorite :lol:).

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 08:27 AM
sorry, don't agree with this, he is the GOAT but that does not mean he can say whatever he wants. do you mean he is also free to insult people? (i don't mean he is doing this, just an example)

Of course not, but has Roger ever insulted anyone?

Mimi
01-13-2009, 08:29 AM
i don't think so, just frank and not very diplomatic, as you said he can say whatever he wants, i wonder whether this includes insult :wavey:

Of course not, but has Roger ever insulted anyone?

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 08:31 AM
I dont think any guy whose never won a grand slam can ever be the favorite, this is basically Roger's point. I mean Roger himself should clearly be the favorite but of course he is to modest to say that. Put yourself in his position, how annoying must it be when you have won the last salm and you have 13 slams behind you and someone whose never even won a slam is the favorite. The thing is most people are just clueless about tennis. But his smart enough to realize that and downplay Murrays chances :devil:

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 08:33 AM
i don't think so, just frank and not very diplomatic, as you said he can say whatever he wants, i wonder whether this includes insult :wavey:

You have to look at the context in which im saying things. That was a response i made to someone who made a very silly post in my opinion, so of course im gona drive my point home.

Eliande
01-13-2009, 08:37 AM
I hope Murray is not going to win a Grand Slam title: I can't stand his tennis!:(
Roger is amazing and he'll always be!:worship:

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 08:44 AM
I hope Murray is not going to win a Grand Slam title: I can't stand his tennis!:(
Roger is amazing and he'll always be!:worship:

Hear hear. You know its getting ridiculous when people start calling Murray the next Roger :haha: :lol: :rolls:

MariaV
01-13-2009, 08:48 AM
"But winning a slam is a different animal, not many guys have been able to do it.
"Rafa and I have taken a lot of them.

Awww, it sounds like he and Rafa are an old couple already. :awww: :lol: :hearts: :inlove:
I hope Fed's had an excellent preparation for the season and knows what he's doing. Would be a shame if he'd really not reach the "15".

Eliande
01-13-2009, 09:15 AM
Hear hear. You know its getting ridiculous when people start calling Murray the next Roger :haha: :lol: :rolls:

It's not what I said.
I said exactly the opposite. I don't like Murray's tennis and never will!
He will NEVER be like Federer!:wavey:

habibko
01-13-2009, 09:24 AM
the video

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Clydey
01-13-2009, 09:25 AM
It's the way he says these things. Like scoobs said, he sounds a bit petulant and he tries to offset what he's saying by grudgingly handing out the odd compliment.

case
01-13-2009, 09:35 AM
fed just sounds silly and petty.

there are four slams every year and all winners had there first slam win.
slams really arent that much of a rarity...
fed isnt suggesting that you cant win if you never have won a slam is he :haha:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 09:38 AM
Of course not, but has Roger ever insulted anyone?

The umpire after after the match with Muzza last week?

Stensland
01-13-2009, 09:41 AM
there's never been a clear favorite going into the aussie open. this is a non-issue. on the one hand i don't get why murray would be the favorite, but on the other: why bother commenting it, roger?

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 10:18 AM
The umpire after after the match with Muzza last week?

Did he? Huh... :scratch:

reggie1
01-13-2009, 10:21 AM
Fed's interviews make me laugh, what he gives with one hand he takes away with the other! A dash of honey and then a bottle of acid!

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 10:23 AM
Gotta love hypersensitive Murraytards taking the piss over nothing :lol: keep it up Rog, we love you like that :yeah: :cool:

Arhaych
01-13-2009, 10:27 AM
Gotta love hypersensitive Murraytards taking the piss over nothing :lol: keep it up Rog, we love you like that :yeah: :cool:

Federer just doesn't like Murray IMO, it's that simple.

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 10:33 AM
Federer just doesn't like Murray IMO, it's that simple.

:awww: :hug: I'm sure you guys will get over it someday, once Murray has more slams than Roger under his belt then the arrogant Swiss will really look silly, no worries this day should come soon enough... :angel: :p

nobama
01-13-2009, 10:34 AM
If I was Djerk I'd be pissed that no one is talking about me. Defending champion, winner of TMC and no one gives a shit. :lol:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 10:39 AM
Did he? Huh... :scratch:

I mean by not shaking his hand.

AnnaK_4ever
01-13-2009, 10:40 AM
The more Federer loses the more arrogant and bitchy he becomes. How sad...

yeh yeh
01-13-2009, 10:46 AM
Federer is just being a bitch as usual
Winning a slam is a different animal
do people forget murray has got to a final of a slam so whats so different about winning one extra game
he knows hes got his number so hes shittin his self

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 10:47 AM
I mean by not shaking his hand.

Oh so that means insulting by your standards... fair enough... :retard:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 10:52 AM
Oh so that means insulting by your standards... fair enough... :retard:

Of course it does. If a player goes off the court and walks straight past the umpire without shaking his hand, that's both insulting and being a sore loser. He was asked about it in the press conference and he said he didn't want to talk about it. He obviously had a problem with the umpire.

Why do you think he ignored the umpire?

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 10:56 AM
Of course it does. If a player goes off the court and walks straight past the umpire without shaking his hand, that's both insulting and being a sore loser. He was asked about it in the press conference and he said he didn't want to talk about it. He obviously had a problem with the umpire.

Why do you think he ignored the umpire?

You don't watch lots of tennis, do you? :shrug: That happens all the time and is hardly called insulting, he'd be fined if he actually insulted the umpire :shrug:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 11:00 AM
You don't watch lots of tennis, do you? :shrug: That happens all the time and is hardly called insulting, he'd be fined if he actually insulted the umpire :shrug:

No, that doesn't happen all the time. I like how often you just flatout lie whenever we disagree about something. :lol:

And I watch a lot of tennis. While you're strumming on your guitar and murdering classic pop songs, I'm usually watching tennis. :shrug:

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 11:04 AM
And I watch a lot of tennis. While you're strumming on your guitar and murdering classic pop songs, I'm usually watching tennis. :shrug:

:lol: wouldn't think my lines would piss you off like that :awww: :haha:

:secret: we're on GM here, behave kid ;)

Clydey
01-13-2009, 11:07 AM
:lol: wouldn't think my lines would piss you off like that :awww: :haha:

:secret: we're on GM here, behave kid ;)

Yes, I'm really pissed off here. I'm furious, in fact. ;)

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Yes, I'm really pissed off here. I'm furious, in fact. ;)

You wouldn't come up with off-topic personal insults otherwise :shrug: :lol: you're not 14, are you? :scratch: :hug: :awww:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 11:10 AM
You wouldn't come up with off-topic personal insults otherwise :shrug: :lol: you're not 14, are you? :scratch: :hug: :awww:

It was a joke, dude. :lol: You're not a bad singer. :shrug:

denibas77
01-13-2009, 11:25 AM
You don't watch lots of tennis, do you? :shrug: That happens all the time and is hardly called insulting, he'd be fined if he actually insulted the umpire :shrug:
You 're first to comment when Marat does that and now Roger does that and you 're all protective

opeth84
01-13-2009, 11:28 AM
If I was Djerk I'd be pissed that no one is talking about me. Defending champion, winner of TMC and no one gives a shit. :lol:

I'd bet hes probably happy about it. The pressure is off his back and as he seems to be no good when under it then this may give the chance to swing abit more freely.

mark_s
01-13-2009, 11:29 AM
You don't watch lots of tennis, do you? :shrug: That happens all the time
I assume you are joking...

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 11:31 AM
You 're first to comment when Marat does that and now Roger does that and you 're all protective

:scratch: I dîdn't comment on Marat in ages :shrug: I like to talk about top players generally and not journeymen :shrug: :hug: :p

MurrayFan1
01-13-2009, 11:38 AM
What Federer is saying is that he only played at around 60-70% during his two previous lost against Murray. He tries in the first set, always claims it. Realising that he can win easily if he maintained the high level, he loses the match on purpose.

Right...

These Federer comments have beeen blown waaaay out of proportion.

denibas77
01-13-2009, 11:46 AM
:scratch: I dîdn't comment on Marat in ages :shrug: I like to talk about top players generally and not journeymen :shrug: :hug: :p
Marat hasn't than that in ages,when he was doing that he was top player, so let me say more corect when Marat used to that you were first to comment,by the way I'm really interested to read your post when Roger becomes journeyman:wavey:

Foxy
01-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Rog can talk offcourt whatever it suits him but oncourt his opponents will speak with their racquets against him. So Rog keep challenging Murray and you will finish your career with just only 2 wins against Murray on hard. Other thing I remember now is when he said after Dubai Murray to be just a defender waiting for opponents errors. I guess that's what buzzed Murray off and that's why he didn't let Rog win their match in Shanghai. No way. Credit to Murray. He speaks at the tennis court. Note: I like Murray but I am not that big fan of him. It is just my 5 cents.

StanShapkar
01-13-2009, 12:08 PM
If I was Djerk I'd be pissed that no one is talking about me. Defending champion, winner of TMC and no one gives a shit. :lol:

I sign this.
Just one loss of potentialy the most dangerous floater in the draw in Brisbane and noone talks about Djoker.
That could be dangerous, if he has a decent draw in the first three rounds- he still could make it far away at AO!

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 12:20 PM
i watched the video. roger is basically saying:
rafe is no.1 had a fantastic season, novak took the last big tournament and is defending champion, i won the last GS and won this 3 times already
so why is murray favorite?

i kinda see his point.

Foxy
01-13-2009, 12:32 PM
i watched the video. roger is basically saying:
rafe is no.1 had a fantastic season, novak took the last big tournament and is defending champion, i won the last GS and won this 3 times already
so why is murray favorite?

i kinda see his point.

He doesn't need to say anything. He can just walk on court and kick the sh*t out of everybody!
It is the best way to "ask" why anyone is the favourite.

Kolya
01-13-2009, 12:36 PM
Federer should be happy that the pressure is off him a bit.

BrutalLogiC
01-13-2009, 12:38 PM
Put a sock in it Roger, just let the tennis do the talking. Obviously Murray being favourite is a stretch but coming out and saying these things just makes you look like an arrogant and bitter cock. At least you gave some of your fanboys a thrill.

What will he say should Murray win, hopefully nothing. As for his sheep fans it will be because Roger wasn't 100% or not trying as he has won it before.

Foxy
01-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Federer should be happy that the pressure is off him a bit.

In what way? That he is not considered the favourite now? I do think the pressure is as high as ever until he reaches and beats Sampras' record.

Byrd
01-13-2009, 12:46 PM
At first, I would of said roger was right as the others have the experience of winning slams, but when you think about the last 4-5 months, Murray has easily been top 2, and arguably the best if the race started from August. If you coinside that with getting to the final of the US open, and his wins at the Exho and Doha, which include Nadal, Federer & Duck scalps, then surely he should be favourite? Fed is exerting ambigous and subtle pressure on Murray whilst mixing it up with compliments, so he doesn't look too bad when he says it.

Bobby
01-13-2009, 12:47 PM
i watched the video. roger is basically saying:
rafe is no.1 had a fantastic season, novak took the last big tournament and is defending champion, i won the last GS and won this 3 times already
so why is murray favorite?

i kinda see his point.

I don't know. Maybe because he was the finalist at the US Open, won a couple of tournaments during the latter part of the season and started this year by winning Doha and Abu Dhabi. And he also beat Federer pretty comfortably at Doha. I'm not saying that he will win AO, but obviously he is one of the favourites.

Federer hasn't been impressive lately. One could argue that he doesn't care about the smaller tournaments such as Doha and only focuses on the slams. Could be, but that semifinal loss to Murray probably gave Murray a mental edge before the AO and it may turn out to be important.

Nadal on the other hand hasn't done much lately and has never played that well at the beginning of the season. Why should he be the favourite before Murray.

nsidhan
01-13-2009, 12:48 PM
As long as we have a real GS final like at the '05 USO without the pushing and moonballing then everyone wins.:D

Er...how about '08 Wimbledon ;)

Rita
01-13-2009, 12:52 PM
He doesn't need to say anything. He can just walk on court and kick the sh*t out of everybody!
It is the best way to "ask" why anyone is the favourite.

but he was asked a question about it what was he supposed to do :confused:

tennis2tennis
01-13-2009, 01:02 PM
it's interesting that Roger feel like that because alot of the bookies had him down as the favourite for the 2003 Wimbledon before he won a single major!

Kolya
01-13-2009, 01:08 PM
In what way? That he is not considered the favourite now? I do think the pressure is as high as ever until he reaches and beats Sampras' record.

Well there is a lot more focus on Murray.

Federer should be happy that he can focus on his goals rather than worry about who is favourite for the AO which he is not doing.

the graduate
01-13-2009, 01:19 PM
Sour grapes from Roger,he is an aging athelete who is losing his aura and its true Andy is coming of age and soon or later he is winning a slam.This year is the turning point for the Scot,he is more mature and he has a fantastic all round game that is fun to watch.His fitness has improved and barring injury he is winning a big event before the end of the year.
GOOD LUCK ANDY!

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 01:55 PM
I don't know. Maybe because he was the finalist at the US Open, won a couple of tournaments during the latter part of the season and started this year by winning Doha and Abu Dhabi.

yeah i know murray is hot right now. but he got crushed at the us open and lost to davydenko at the tmc. he has yet to go hot in 2 weeks in a row and win the damn thing.

if i were federer i kinda would be pissed after everybody writing you off and show all that you're still there with winning the us open and they just wrote him off again because he lost a couple of times.

nobama
01-13-2009, 02:06 PM
I sign this.
Just one loss of potentialy the most dangerous floater in the draw in Brisbane and noone talks about Djoker.
That could be dangerous, if he has a decent draw in the first three rounds- he still could make it far away at AO!I'm no fan of his, but he did win TMC and he is defending champion. Plus is very close to #2 ranking. Yet all the talk is about the other 3. Maybe he doesn't care because it takes the pressure off him.

Johnny Groove
01-13-2009, 02:10 PM
Once again Federer spits the truth and it comes off as arrogance.

I agree with everything he said in that article, I just think he can word his pressers a bit differently so it doesn't come off like he's being a total dick.

denibas77
01-13-2009, 02:14 PM
yeah i know murray is hot right now. but he got crushed at the us open and lost to davydenko at the tmc. he has yet to go hot in 2 weeks in a row and win the damn thing.

if i were federer i kinda would be pissed after everybody writing you off and show all that you're still there with winning the us open and they just wrote him off again because he lost a couple of times.

He's 2 favorite to bookies how is that writing off:rolleyes:

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 03:36 PM
i watched the video. roger is basically saying:
rafe is no.1 had a fantastic season, novak took the last big tournament and is defending champion, i won the last GS and won this 3 times already
so why is murray favorite?

i kinda see his point.

I didnt see the video but figured it would be something like this. It really blows my mind when people say Murray is the favorite and then they say Roger is arrogent for saying this. I think its arrogent of people to say Murray is the favorite. But that is the way people are in general, arrogent and ignorent.

Igaarg
01-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Roger is just honest, sometimes it doesn´t sound that nice, but he says what he thinks and I believe it´s fine.
About Murray being the favourite, I hope it doesn´t play against him. I imagine everybody talking about Murray and Djoko defending the title without any pressure.
It´s so unfair, since Nadal is N 1 is not THE favourite for any tournament. No pressure, I hope this doesn´t help him, I´m a bad girl and I don´t want him making the final.

FedFan_2007
01-13-2009, 03:59 PM
Roger is pissed that he's not considered the favorite. To me he deserves consideration above Murray since he has won 13 slams to 0 for Murray and the very last one. Or at least co-favorite with Nole who is defending champ.

HarryMan
01-13-2009, 04:01 PM
Its always great to have Roger's honest opinion on things, he reads the game beautifully.

In side he'll be like "I schooled this Scottish clown in the only match that matters (and I played my best tennis) and these idiots think he is the favorite"

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 04:06 PM
I hope Murray really gets tested physically so we can see if he can actually stand the heat.

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 04:20 PM
I hope Murray really gets tested physically so we can see if he can actually stand the heat.

true. i dont mind if he wins the AO heck i even would cheer for him if roger is out.
i only dislike the murray bandwagon fans who think he wins this easily and roger is done

xargon
01-13-2009, 04:33 PM
Who said that? The bookies? Good for him,” Federer said Tuesday at a news conference for the Kooyong exhibition tournament, his traditional tuneup for the year’s first major. “It doesn’t help him a whole lot. I’ve been in that position before as well and didn’t make it.”

“He’s put himself in a great position. He started off well, going well in Doha. He finished strong last year. It still does surprise me that the bookies say that,” Federer said. “He’s never won a Slam.

“Novak is the defending champion here. Rafa had an incredible season last year. I won the last slam of last season. It’s surprising to hear.”

“Not many guys have been able to win a Grand Slam in the last few years. Rafa and me took a lot of them, Novak won here last year. They don’t come easily.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AplEStXpS_s4gshoqyasLLg4v7YF?slug=ap-federer-murray&prov=ap&type=lgns

Bobby
01-13-2009, 04:34 PM
true. i dont mind if he wins the AO heck i even would cheer for him if roger is out.
i only dislike the murray bandwagon fans who think he wins this easily and roger is done

I don't think there are many people who think that Murray wins easily and Roger is out. It's going to be close, that's for sure. But the fact is that Murray has been playing very well for the last 6 months and therefore he deserves to be mentioned among the favourites.

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 04:36 PM
for sure. But the fact is that Murray has been playing very well for the last 6 months and therefore he deserves to be mentioned among the favourites.

of course he is one of the favorites. just not "the one"
on my personal list i would even take him on no.2

otherwise no 3. behind fed and djoko

sawan66278
01-13-2009, 04:48 PM
Typical comments from the Prince of Pissiness...Stop acting like a scorned girlfriend, Roger. Just like his comments when Rafa was rising and beating him time and time again, he gives these sorry backhanded compliments which reveal the prima donna he is. Guess what, Roger? The bookies, who around THE WORLD, seem to have a real pulse on what's going on in the sport realize that you've had your tail handed to you by Andy over the last few months...and are going by form...not legacy.

You want to use those assessments as "blackboard" inspiration, fine. But to come out and act like Serena Williams is petty...and shows how fragile his psyche really is.

He made the same kind of "professional judgments" when Rafa was rising...saying that Hewitt and Roddick were his main rivals. Ironically, not including the exho loss this year, Roger has a losing 2-5 record against Murray...and got spanked last time.

He mentions Novak because he does not fear Novak at this time...and he hopes that Andy feels slighted. What he fails to realize is that Rafa and Andy are NOT afraid of him...and will actually play better because of the comments.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the reigning Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award winner:rolleyes:



You don't watch lots of tennis, do you? :shrug: That happens all the time and is hardly called insulting, he'd be fined if he actually insulted the umpire :shrug:

Not shaking the hands of officials is akin to stalking off the court and taking your ball home when things go your way.

Oh...and on a side note, I hope our Eagles meet your Steelers...and show you what a REAL TEAM is like in the Super Bowl.

Who said that? The bookies? Good for him,” Federer said Tuesday at a news conference for the Kooyong exhibition tournament, his traditional tuneup for the year’s first major. “It doesn’t help him a whole lot. I’ve been in that position before as well and didn’t make it.”

“He’s put himself in a great position. He started off well, going well in Doha. He finished strong last year. It still does surprise me that the bookies say that,” Federer said. “He’s never won a Slam.

“Novak is the defending champion here. Rafa had an incredible season last year. I won the last slam of last season. It’s surprising to hear.”

“Not many guys have been able to win a Grand Slam in the last few years. Rafa and me took a lot of them, Novak won here last year. They don’t come easily.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AplEStXpS_s4gshoqyasLLg4v7YF?slug=ap-federer-murray&prov=ap&type=lgns

You're right, Roger. They don't come easily...and you're about to find out this year...and in the coming years, how right you are:devil:

Excellent avatar, Gort.

Clydey
01-13-2009, 05:29 PM
From AM.com

By Frank Malley, PA Chief Sports writer

Andy Murray accepted the challenge of being installed as joint favourite alongside Roger Federer to win the Australian Open with a message for the man who many believe is the best tennis player of all time: “I don't get nervous when I play you any more.”

Murray could not have sounded more ice cool after practising in 37 degree heat in Melbourne. And while Federer has expressed surprise at the 21-year-old Scot being rated above world number one Rafael Nadal and defending champion Novak Djokovic in the eyes of the bookmakers, Murray was entirely comfortable with his odds.

He said: “It doesn’t make any difference whether people expect you to win or not. It doesn't change my mentality.

“You get used to being expected to win matches when you play at Wimbledon. The pressure that comes with that gets you used to these situations.

“The older you get, the more matches you play, you realise what the bookies are saying doesn't make any difference once you get on court, whether they are saying good things or bad things. You just get on with your job.”

Murray has done that spectacularly so far this year, having won all of his eight matches, including beating Nadal once and Federer twice.
In fact, he has beaten Federer five times in their seven career meetings, his only defeats coming in their first meeting at Bangkok in 2005 and in the US Open final last year.

Murray said: “The more you play against him the less fearful you are, you're not scared to win the match. If you're young and you play against the top guys, once you get close to winning you get nervous.

“Now when I play him I don't get nervous and if I play my best tennis I can beat him.”

Both players have their own dates with history in Melbourne when the tournament starts on Monday. A win for Federer would take him level with Pete Sampras on 14 grand slam victories. Murray, however, there is the little matter of trying to become the first British man to win a grand slam singles title since Fred Perry back in 1936. Not that he is letting such a burden weigh him down. He reports no problems with the back which stiffened up in Doha last week after eight matches in 11 days, although physiotherapist Andy Ireland has arrived in Melbourne as insurance.

And he is trying to put a philosophical spin on the expectation which is bound to build as the 'Fred Perry' 73-year statistic is wheeled out on a daily basis.

He said: “It has been so long since a British tennis player has won a slam. I'd love to win a grand slam, but it might not happen.

“You have to try to forget about all the history. It is not of benefit if you are going on the court worrying about those sort of things. You have to put them to the back of your mind.

“I do understand what a big deal it would be if someone from Britain did win a slam, but I'm still very young so I'm not putting any added pressure on myself to win this Australian Open.

“I'm going to enjoy being one of the favourites and give it my best. I've got a lot more grand slams to play. I'm really chilled out.”

Which is just as well considering the Melbourne heat, which can rise as high as 45 centigrade at this time of year, makes the first grand slam of the year a test of stamina as much as talent. Murray, whose work ethic with fitness trainers Jez Green and Matt Little is well documented, should have no problems on that score.

He said: “I've never minded heat too much but this temperature is a problem for everyone. Your feet burn on court and it's tough to catch your breath, but if you play on the bigger courts you usually get a bit of shade from the stadium so it's not too bad.

“I practised at one o'clock today and it was pretty grisly. Four hours in that heat is unbelievably tough.

“That's why you have to put in the work in December. But my game's coming together nicely. Very few people reach their peak in whatever they are doing at 21. That could still be two years away, but physically I'm in the best shape I could be.

“And if I play like I have been I've got a chance.”

Murray, who from March will be managed by Simon Fuller, the man behind David Beckham and the Spice Girls, has another ambition. To allow people to get to know the real Andy Murray.

He said: “There's not a whole lot I want to change. When I'm on court it's clear that I'm very competitive. I love to win and give it everything I've got when I'm out there.

“I don't try to find excuses when I lose my matches and would like to think I give my opponents credit when it's due.

“The better I do the more publicity there is, which means doing more media and TV interviews. It's just making sure that you can be yourself.

“Because of the way I am on court some people might not necessarily think that I would be the nicest person to talk to. But I'm pretty laid back off the court compared to what I am on it.”

Henry Chinaski
01-13-2009, 05:29 PM
fed is still a very slight fave on betfair. that's where most of the big money is wagered on outrights I'd imagine.

FedFan_2007
01-13-2009, 05:34 PM
When push come to shove Fed always brings his best in the slams...

scoobs
01-13-2009, 05:41 PM
“I don't get nervous when I play you any more.”

That's what has Federer so nervous.

prima donna
01-13-2009, 05:42 PM
When push come to shove Fed always brings his best in the slams...
Get lost.

vma
01-13-2009, 05:47 PM
I also like this. A lot! However, if (and that is a BIG IF) Murray wins....what is Fed gonna say?
that it was a fluke..? :shrug:

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 05:50 PM
Not shaking the hands of officials is akin to stalking off the court and taking your ball home when things go your way.

Oh...and on a side note, I hope our Eagles meet your Steelers...and show you what a REAL TEAM is like in the Super Bowl.


Still, this is not like he insulted the umpire like Clydey was implying :shrug:

As for the Super Bowl, under such pressure McNabb will surely fold like a chicken, and Westbrook will look like some light weight against the Steelers' defense :shrug: :devil: :)

Arkulari
01-13-2009, 05:52 PM
muzza is on fire right now but I kinda see the point Roger is trying to make: there are some GS winners around and those are always the top picks, let's see if muzza can stand the pressure and win the AO (if Roger doesn't, I do believe muzza would anyway, if Djoker doesn't have a great run as well ;) )

besides, the AO is ALWAYS a wild guess, almost anyone who's decent on HC can have a shot at it :shrug:

Johnny Groove
01-13-2009, 05:56 PM
i watched the video. roger is basically saying:
rafe is no.1 had a fantastic season, novak took the last big tournament and is defending champion, i won the last GS and won this 3 times already
so why is murray favorite?

i kinda see his point.

That's a valid point, but Murray has beaten Djokvic twice on hard since Wimbledon, Fed a bunch of times, even Nadal at the USO.

Murray's got the hot hand at the moment and seeing him as a slight #2 fave or even a co-fave for the AO isn't that surprising.

Federer needs to put up or shut up next week.

crude oil
01-13-2009, 05:57 PM
fed will get his ass handed to him by murray at the AO although i hope for the opposite.

he needs to shutup sometimes. its not what he implied, but the way he said it. Until i see the interview on video, however, i wont know for sure.

me thinks fed is still sore about losing in doha

prima donna
01-13-2009, 06:08 PM
A reoccurring theme in this thread is the notion that Roger should exercise self-censorship, which means at best he would be expected to dilute his thoughts while at worst being expected to refrain altogether from genuinely expressing himself.

Is it healthy from an intellectual perspective for players to be asked to pollute and bastardize their thoughts by disingenuously extolling the virtues of their rivals ?

Are people really so thin-skinned as to be unable to tolerate a bit of honesty without misconstruing it as hubris ?

TJ20
01-13-2009, 06:12 PM
Federer being anal as usual.

Leave the 'contraverial' stuff for commentators. Or else let every player point out something about Federer. That he is on the decline.

Deejay
01-13-2009, 06:17 PM
He didnt really have to make those comments but you can sort of see where he's coming from, if he was to play murray in the final and it reaches a 5th set you'd be stupid to bet against him. Until Murray produces a year like Djokovic did in the slams last year then i expect to hear plenty more comments of this nature. It does seem like sour grapes again though, a bit like when he made that comment in dubai implying that murray won't have a good career if he played defensive tennis despite murray having him on a string in most of the rallies in that match

Andi-M
01-13-2009, 06:19 PM
Ha,this guy is a joker

If he had any sense he would say something like "Murray is playing very well at the moment and he has a great chance to win as do I, Novak and Rafa".

But no Roger has to act like a spoilt child, to try and throw his oppenant off, well good for you Roger but its not gonna help you much!

sawan66278
01-13-2009, 06:23 PM
Still, this is not like he insulted the umpire like Clydey was implying :shrug:

As for the Super Bowl, under such pressure McNabb will surely fold like a chicken, and Westbrook will look like some light weight against the Steelers' defense :shrug: :devil: :)

Bring it on: Philly will show the world who REALLY represents in PA:devil:

biological
01-13-2009, 06:25 PM
ArrogantFed is nice to see :devil: I agree with him too.

Clydey
01-13-2009, 06:25 PM
A reoccurring theme in this thread is the notion that Roger should exercise self-censorship, which means at best he would be expected to dilute his thoughts while at worst being expected to refrain altogether from genuinely expressing himself.

Is it healthy from an intellectual perspective for players to be asked to pollute and bastardize their thoughts by disingenuously extolling the virtues of their rivals ?

Are people really so thin-skinned as to be unable to tolerate a bit of honesty without misconstruing it as hubris ?

No, I absolutely wouldn't want any player to censor themselves. I have no problem with what he says. In fact, I don't think Murray should be considered the favourite. I think he should be 2nd favourite. On current form he would be favourite for any other type of event on hard, but we're talking about winning a Grand Slam.

My issue is that I just don't like how bitter Federer is. He's only classy when he's winning, in my opinion. His mask slips when things don't go his way, whether it's blaming the light for his Wimbledon loss to Rafa, asking Hawkeye to be switched off in a GS final, walking off without shaking the umpire's hand, or suggesting that Muzza just waits for errors. I like players to be as classy in defeat as they are in victory. After all, it's easy to be magnanimous when you're winning everything in sight.

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 06:28 PM
its something roger has always done. he doesn't push the new good players. he respects them but says that they first need to prove themself before he consider them his major rivals. said that about nadal and djokovic, not anymore. i guess if murray wins AO he acknowledge that murray is indeed the one who deserves all the praise.

ah, that was hard to write hope you know what im trying to say. my english sucks : )

elessar
01-13-2009, 06:32 PM
“Now when I play him I don't get nervous and if I play my best tennis I can beat him.”

“And if I play like I have been I've got a chance.”


What an arrogant ass :rolleyes:

My issue is that I just don't like how bitter Federer is. He's only classy when he's winning, in my opinion. His mask slips when things don't go his way, whether it's blaming the light for his Wimbledon loss to Rafa, asking Hawkeye to be switched off in a GS final, walking off without shaking the umpire's hand, or suggesting that Muzza just waits for errors. I like players to be as classy in defeat as they are in victory. After all, it's easy to be magnanimous when you're winning everything in sight.
Murray's on court behaviour = ultimate symbol of class

Deejay
01-13-2009, 06:33 PM
if anything he should be saying "Yeah Murray is definatley the favourite to win the title", which would heap even more pressure on Murray...instead he makes himself look like a bit of an idiot which is a shame for such a great champion

Clydey
01-13-2009, 06:36 PM
What an arrogant ass :rolleyes:

Murray's on court behaviour = ultimate symbol of class

Being passionate and vocal is lacking class? Put it this way, you won't see Murray taking digs at his rivals, making excuses, giving them backhanded compliments, or "forgetting" to shake the umpire's hand.

I should add that I'm actually a big fan of Federer's game. I just think he has become either bitter or defensive since his aura of invincibility wore off.

elessar
01-13-2009, 06:40 PM
Right, OTOH swearing loudly, insulting your coach and throwing rackets around is just good sportsmanship :yeah:

Igaarg
01-13-2009, 06:41 PM
if anything he should be saying "Yeah Murray is definatley the favourite to win the title", which would heap even more pressure on Murray...instead he makes himself look like a bit of an idiot which is a shame for such a great champion

No, that is what Nadal does and no one believes him. If Nadal plays against Younes, he sais that Younes is the fav and not him, he never is the favourite. That behavior is annoying too.
Not too honest (Fed) Not false modesty (Nadal), the key is being polite (Murray). But I like Federer, just as he is :inlove:.

Frederick16
01-13-2009, 06:42 PM
who did see the murray pic on the aussie open site? he is sooooo in shape. i really have my thumbs up for all the work he has done in the last year. good job andy! and he has really a attractive game style..

Vida
01-13-2009, 06:42 PM
Typical mind games from Fed. I don't like it. It shows nothing more than he is willing to use off court tactics to gain on court advantage. Shut the f up for f sake and just play the ball man.

Igaarg
01-13-2009, 06:45 PM
I post twice without intension.

elessar
01-13-2009, 06:45 PM
:bigcry:

scarecrows
01-13-2009, 06:47 PM
Being passionate and vocal is lacking class? Put it this way, you won't see Murray taking digs at his rivals, making excuses, giving them backhanded compliments, or "forgetting" to shake the umpire's hand.



maybe after 6 years he will :shrug:

Clydey
01-13-2009, 06:48 PM
Right, OTOH swearing loudly, insulting your coach and throwing rackets around is just good sportsmanship :yeah:

He doesn't throw his rackets around. And Gilbert asked Murray to shout at him rather than at himself. You'll notice he doesn't do that anymore.

He does swear, though. So what? :lol:

prima donna
01-13-2009, 06:49 PM
I like players to be as classy in defeat as they are in victory. After all, it's easy to be magnanimous when you're winning everything in sight.
Fair enough, but it needs to added that even the classiest and most evenly tempered of champions have, at times, comported themselves in a less than ideal manner.

I'm just taken back by the lamentations which seem to have a paradoxical component to them. Inasmuch as many of the posts which are critical of Roger's remarks accuse him of being a sore loser and a whiner. However, almost within the same breath, these very same posters lament his lack of willingness to subordinate himself or to "come down to earth".

This may not be the case for individuals such as yourself, however, there are people on this board who seem to live in this parallel universe in which the human ego ceases to exist. Inasmuch as there is a certain element to this discussion which implies that Roger should be gracious at all times, and when he wanders astray from this path, he deserves to be reprimanded for doing so.

Strangely enough, I see nothing contentious about his remarks, but even if the contrary were the case, many people would be unjustified in their incessant whining over the ego of a professional athlete.

elessar
01-13-2009, 06:50 PM
He doesn't throw his rackets around. And Gilbert asked Murray to shout at him rather than at himself. You'll notice he doesn't do that anymore.
I bet it's because Gilbert got tired of it and told him to stop, isn't it?
He does swear, though. So what? :lol:

Interesting.

Clydey
01-13-2009, 06:50 PM
maybe after 6 years he will :shrug:

Hopefully he has enough success to get away with such things. :lol:

Vida
01-13-2009, 06:51 PM
Fair enough, but it needs to added that even the classiest and most evenly tempered of champions have, at times, comported themselves in a less than ideal manner.

I'm just taken back by the lamentations which seem to have a paradoxical component to them. Inasmuch as many of the posts which are critical of Roger's remarks accuse him of being a sore loser and a whiner. However, almost within the same breath, these very same posters lament his lack of willingness to subordinate himself or to "come down to earth".

This may not be the case for individuals such as yourself, however, there are people on this board who seem to live in this parallel universe in which the human ego ceases to exist. Inasmuch as there is a certain element to this discussion which implies that Roger should be gracious at all times, and when he wanders astray from this path, he deserves to be reprimanded for doing so.

Strangely enough, I see nothing contentious about his remarks, but even if the contrary were the case, many people would be unjustified in their incessant whining over the ego of a professional athlete.

that is because you live in a parallel universe.

Clydey
01-13-2009, 06:51 PM
I bet it's because Gilbert got tired of it and told him to stop, isn't it?



No. Gilbert asked him to do it. Besides, he stopped being his coach over a year ago. :shrug:

scarecrows
01-13-2009, 06:53 PM
a thread about an interview getting more replies than all today's match threads combined :worship:

Betty
01-13-2009, 06:55 PM
He does swear, though. So what? :lol:

i too when i played:sad: but i never won anything of important :p;)

fed said his thought..now waiting the AO for to see where the both will come:devil:

elessar
01-13-2009, 06:55 PM
No. Gilbert asked him to do it. Besides, he stopped being his coach over a year ago. :shrug:
Really :eek: guess that explains why Andy's career has taken a nosedive

Sean
01-13-2009, 06:55 PM
This Federer's head is getting so big, and we wonder why Mirka's overweight.

elessar
01-13-2009, 07:02 PM
This Federer's head is getting so big, and we wonder why Mirka's overweight.
I don't get it :bigcry:

bokehlicious
01-13-2009, 07:02 PM
a thread about an interview getting more replies than all today's match threads combined :worship:

An interview of Fed is way more interesting than all today's matches combined :shrug: this Fed's bigger than the game :rocker2: :p

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 07:04 PM
“I don't get nervous when I play you any more.”

“It has been so long since a British tennis player has won a slam. I'd love to win a grand slam, but it might not happen.

“Because of the way I am on court some people might not necessarily think that I would be the nicest person to talk to. But I'm pretty laid back off the court compared to what I am on it.”

Whats up with the first statement, was Roger in the room?

Do i suspect a lack of self belief in the second statement?

I agree he does look like a jerk on court.

elessar
01-13-2009, 07:07 PM
How can you keep a graduate quote in your sig, she's one of the biggest :retard: on this forum

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 07:15 PM
Not too honest (Fed) Not false modesty (Nadal), the key is being polite (Murray). But I like Federer, just as he is :inlove:.

i completly agree. but its a lot easier to be polite if you haven't won anything big. sometimes i hate nadal for that. and sometimes fed comes of to harsh.

but he is how he is. maybe you cant dominate for so long if you dont honestly believe you are (one of) the GOAT

Clydey
01-13-2009, 07:15 PM
Whats up with the first statement, was Roger in the room?

Do i suspect a lack of self belief in the second statement?

I agree he does look like a jerk on court.

No, that was a headline from the journalist. He paraphrased him.

scoobs
01-13-2009, 07:19 PM
What a great amount of fuss. None of this matters. Who the bookies anoint as favourite - who gives a damn. Let them get out there and sort it out on court. The rest of this is press-driven bs.

dylan24
01-13-2009, 08:32 PM
murray driving fed nuts

gillian
01-13-2009, 08:39 PM
I seriously love it when Roger says something that's perceived as naughty.

~*BGT*~
01-13-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm happy the Arrogant Swiss is back. :D

Corey Feldman
01-13-2009, 08:52 PM
good comments by Fed

Murray doesnt need to feel he's the fave - good job Roger

Lleyton_
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
How can a slam-less player ranked no.4 be the favorite for a grand slam title when the world no.1, 13 time major winner no.2, and the 3rd ranked defending champion are all in the draw :confused:

Jaz
01-13-2009, 09:08 PM
I think the comments are true and make sense.

Why is Murray the favourite? He's not won a grandslam yet...

The facts speak for themselves.

Federer is almost GOAT at 13 slams, he won the last hard court slam - USO.
Nadal has won multiple grand slams - None on hard.
Djoko won the last "serious" tournament in 2008. And is defending his AO title.

Murray won an Exho (rofl), and beat a very poor Nadal and mediocre Federer at Qatar/Doha.
He did get to the final of the USO, but didn't make it very far in the Masters...

NinaNina19
01-13-2009, 09:10 PM
It doesn't matter who the favorite is.

tennizen
01-13-2009, 09:32 PM
I think Fed is completely right. I am a Murray fan and believe he will be very successful but there is nothing wrong in what Fed said. The hype surrounding Murray is incredibly annoying. Same thing happened to Nole after such a successful start to last year. It looked like he would win everything under the sun but he fizzled out.

Steelq
01-13-2009, 09:44 PM
I think Fed is completely right. I am a Murray fan and believe he will be very successful but there is nothing wrong in what Fed said. The hype surrounding Murray is incredibly annoying. Same thing happened to Nole after such a successful start to last year. It looked like he would win everything under the sun but he fizzled out.

Difference is that the hype about Djokovic happened after he won AO and IW,and making 4 in a row slam semis,and Murray hype started before he even won anything important.

Clydey
01-13-2009, 09:57 PM
Murray won an Exho (rofl), and beat a very poor Nadal and mediocre Federer at Qatar/Doha.
He did get to the final of the USO, but didn't make it very far in the Masters...

The Masters Cup? He got to the semi-final and won all of his RR matches.

Corey Feldman
01-13-2009, 10:00 PM
the hype isnt too bad imo, most from back home but i've seen worse

Vida
01-13-2009, 10:02 PM
I think Fed is completely right. I am a Murray fan and believe he will be very successful but there is nothing wrong in what Fed said. The hype surrounding Murray is incredibly annoying. Same thing happened to Nole after such a successful start to last year. It looked like he would win everything under the sun but he fizzled out.

yeah, like fed is worried about murray hype being annoying to us. :rolleyes:

fed just cant stand people favoring someone else but him, so he felt he outta intervene and make right whats wrong... to put things into its rightful place.

worst part is he just made murray a favor actually. he made an opportunity for him to humbly respond and make fed look sour (which we already knew he is). and he released some of the pressure the young and inexperienced murray might have going in ao as the man of the hour.

Andi-M
01-13-2009, 10:04 PM
I think Fed is completely right. I am a Murray fan and believe he will be very successful but there is nothing wrong in what Fed said. The hype surrounding Murray is incredibly annoying. Same thing happened to Nole after such a successful start to last year. It looked like he would win everything under the sun but he fizzled out.

Fed has a point but he's not completely right. He seems to think you can only win a GS if you've won one in the past. Its like saying a virgin can't have sex because they've never done it before. Everyone has to have a 1st time and many people believe Murray's is now.

biological
01-13-2009, 10:04 PM
How can a slam-less player ranked no.4 be the favorite for a grand slam title when the world no.1, 13 time major winner no.2, and the 3rd ranked defending champion are all in the draw :confused:

exactly

Lullaby
01-13-2009, 10:07 PM
Murray doesnt believe the hype and that is all that matters ....

He is only favourite in england anyway and is favourite as most money is placed on him - check world cups etc .... englands odds within the uk are always small due to patriotism

Corey Feldman
01-13-2009, 10:29 PM
yeah, like fed is worried about murray hype being annoying to us. :rolleyes:

fed just cant stand people favoring someone else but him, so he felt he outta intervene and make right whats wrong... to put things into its rightful place.

worst part is he just made murray a favor actually. he made an opportunity for him to humbly respond and make fed look sour (which we already knew he is). and he released some of the pressure the young and inexperienced murray might have going in ao as the man of the hour.alot of trueth in this

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 10:52 PM
Fed has a point but he's not completely right. He seems to think you can only win a GS if you've won one in the past. Its like saying a virgin can't have sex because they've never done it before. Everyone has to have a 1st time and many people believe Murray's is now.

I think winning a slam is a little harder then losing your virginity...

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 10:54 PM
fed just cant stand people favoring someone else but him, so he felt he outta intervene and make right whats wrong... to put things into its rightful place.

worst part is he just made murray a favor actually. he made an opportunity for him to humbly respond and make fed look sour (which we already knew he is). and he released some of the pressure the young and inexperienced murray might have going in ao as the man of the hour.

Not really, this is your perception at best.

Andi-M
01-13-2009, 11:01 PM
I think winning a slam is a little harder then losing your virginity...

:lol:
I know, my point is Fed saying someone is unlikely to win a slam because they have not won one before at the age of 21 is a riduculous concept. This time last year Nole was slamless and he managed to win one just fine.

and Mr goat himself hadn't won one at that age.

Diprosalic
01-13-2009, 11:14 PM
I think winning a slam is a little harder then losing your virginity...

not for everyone :lol:

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 11:16 PM
:lol:
I know, my point is Fed saying someone is unlikely to win a slam because they have not won one before at the age of 21 is a riduculous concept. This time last year Nole was slamless and he managed to win one just fine.

and Mr goat himself hadn't won one at that age.

Well your not expecting Roger to just hand it to him do you???

Lleyton_
01-13-2009, 11:16 PM
:lol:
I know, my point is Fed saying someone is unlikely to win a slam because they have not won one before at the age of 21 is a riduculous concept. This time last year Nole was slamless and he managed to win one just fine.

and Mr goat himself hadn't won one at that age.

:rolleyes:

The argument is 'can Murray be considered the favorite', not 'can he win a slam'.

Andi-M
01-13-2009, 11:26 PM
:rolleyes:

The argument is 'can Murray be considered the favorite', not 'can he win a slam'.

Yeah, but Feds arguments are based on past history as opposed to current form. Both need to be considered when talking about who is a favourite for a title, but bookies are based on public opinion which tends to be reflect recent form , in which case its not 'suprising' Murray is considered favourite.

Im not saying its right by any means its just how it is. If Fed wants to prove it wrong maybe he should focus on his own game instead of making these sly coments.

elessar
01-13-2009, 11:28 PM
I feel this is going the way of "the ego has landed" thread :tears: Any more meanies posting bad things about Roger and I'm reporting it to the mods

nastoff
01-13-2009, 11:29 PM
Rafa was favourite at the beginning, then Roger was favourite and now Murray is favourite after he beat both Rafa and Murray ( twice ) in exhibitions and an early ATP tournament. The bookies set the odds and the punters move the prices so he may have to ask them

Corey Feldman
01-13-2009, 11:31 PM
the fave is Nadal

he's No.1.. simple as that

Vida
01-13-2009, 11:37 PM
I feel this is going the way of "the ego has landed" thread :tears: Any more meanies posting bad things about Roger and I'm reporting it to the mods

:bigcry:

Vida
01-13-2009, 11:38 PM
there is no fave. draw has the biggest impact we're seeing in years.

ORGASMATRON
01-13-2009, 11:47 PM
the fave is Nadal

he's No.1.. simple as that

Rafa cant be favorite that much i know lol. Guys like Murray, Nole, Tsonga and even Monfils will give him big problems.

fast_clay
01-13-2009, 11:47 PM
heh heh... great verbal here by federer... nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade... cos what he said there is nothing actually wrong with... much better than the media textbook bullsh!t most players dish out pre-GS that all ends up becoming an audible laxative for me anyways...

i also notice that federer is losing that grace the he owned a year ago and during his period of domination... and, he is getting old, so, he is allowed to be the grumpy elder statemans... its great stuff...

Clydey
01-14-2009, 12:56 AM
Murray doesnt believe the hype and that is all that matters ....

He is only favourite in england anyway and is favourite as most money is placed on him - check world cups etc .... englands odds within the uk are always small due to patriotism

Britain? ;)

sawan66278
01-14-2009, 01:24 AM
The bookies realize that Andy Murray is 8-0 in his last eight matches against Rafa, Federer, and Djokovic. Case closed.

Now, someone please change Roger's diaper...before he acquires another illness that knocks him out for the remainder of the season.;)

crude oil
01-14-2009, 01:44 AM
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24906810-3162,00.html

okay...after viewing the clip, you can see federer said it in a very non-chalant fashion. He even laughed joking after the "good for him" comment. Viewing the comments in text i was ruibbed the wrong way but after viewing the clip, not even the players around him blinked.

This is a huge contrast to the rather condescending tone he used after he lost to nadal on clay in monte carlo.

elessar
01-14-2009, 01:58 AM
The bookies realize that Andy Murray is 8-0 in his last eight matches against Rafa, Federer, and Djokovic. Case closed.

Weird, bookies are usually pretty good with numbers :awww:

Corey Feldman
01-14-2009, 02:33 AM
its 8-1 actually :(

Corey Feldman
01-14-2009, 02:35 AM
Rafa cant be favorite that much i know lol. Guys like Murray, Nole, Tsonga and even Monfils will give him big problems.to me he is.. did he not win Olympics on HC?

these courts arnt too bad for him and he can deal with the long matches and the heat

i want him to feel he's the fave

Foxy
01-14-2009, 08:22 AM
to me he is.. did he not win Olympics on HC?

these courts arnt too bad for him and he can deal with the long matches and the heat

i want him to feel he's the fave

Roger is the favourite, no? :rolleyes:

Kore
01-14-2009, 08:24 AM
Roger is right, but to say it does percieve him as arrogant i think..
However, I think realistically, Murray is certainly one of the favourites, even if Andy himself plays this down.

JolánGagó
01-14-2009, 11:50 AM
Idiotic thread.

One thing is clear though: Fed is shitting his pants.

Kore
01-14-2009, 12:55 PM
LOL yeh i reckon Fed is nervous and is trying to put Murray off!
But i wouldnt say this is an idiotic threat. Its fact, federer actually said it.

~Maya~
01-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Roger said something similar before USO when everybody thought Nadal was the favorite. And then he won it :)

AnnaK_4ever
01-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Roger said something similar before USO when everybody thought Nadal was the favorite. And then he won it :)

Show me three idiots who thought Nadal was the USO favorite.

nobama
01-14-2009, 01:48 PM
Show me three idiots who thought Nadal was the USO favorite.:confused: Didn't Nadal win Olympic gold? Wasn't the surface there the same as the US Open? How could he not be considered a favorite?

~Maya~
01-14-2009, 01:51 PM
Show me three idiots who thought Nadal was the USO favorite.

:lol: Many people had Nadal as fav. I know, it sounds ridiculous now but after his incredible run and Olympic gold....

Hugh Jaas
01-14-2009, 02:26 PM
I have a message for ballet boy fedex




http://images.sportinglife.com/07/06/330/murraywimbledontrophy_368367.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/39000/slideshow/598835/image_slshow_einzel_0_9.jpg

murray= FUTUREGOAT

AnnaK_4ever
01-14-2009, 02:27 PM
The fact Nadal won on slow hardcourt at Beijing didn't make him a favorite at Flushing Meadows, especially taking into account his record at USO.
I thought "Nadal can't win on fast courts" was an axiom on MTF :confused:

kloppy
01-14-2009, 02:41 PM
I'm loving the blunt answers from Rog atm. I can't remember many players using the term "crushed" before when describing a victory.:D
"Honestly, I would rather not play them. Everybody has their own preparation," he said.

"I don't know how good it really is playing your main rivals the week before a big event when it's going to come to the crunch.

"It's like when I lost to Andy (Roddick) here and then I crushed him in the (Australian Open) semis a week later, so I would rather not play him, to be honest. That's why Abu Dhabi was tough, playing against Andy (Murray) in the first match of the season."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24914166-3162,00.html

nobama
01-14-2009, 02:41 PM
The fact Nadal won on slow hardcourt at Beijing didn't make him a favorite at Flushing Meadows, especially taking into account his record at USO.
I thought "Nadal can't win on fast courts" was an axiom on MTF :confused:Slow hard court in Beijing? It was the same surface as US Open, wasn't it? Or are you just calling it a slow hard court because Nadal won there? :confused:

~Maya~
01-14-2009, 02:48 PM
The fact Nadal won on slow hardcourt at Beijing didn't make him a favorite at Flushing Meadows, especially taking into account his record at USO.
I thought "Nadal can't win on fast courts" was an axiom on MTF :confused:

I believe that bookies had him as the favorite at the beginning of the tournament. I don't remember what the differences between courts were.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/vbookie.php?do=viewitem&item_id=11249

ORGASMATRON
01-14-2009, 02:50 PM
I have a message for ballet boy fedex




http://images.sportinglife.com/07/06/330/murraywimbledontrophy_368367.jpg
http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/39000/slideshow/598835/image_slshow_einzel_0_9.jpg

murray= FUTUREGOAT

Is Murray gay? MTF dont get mad at me for asking this its just a question, i honestly have nothing against gays im just asking. Seriously though i dont get this post :lol: You call Roger 'ballet boy' and then you put a gay picture of Murray up :confused: Not to mention saying that Murray is the future GOAT. Well i guess everyone is allowed to have their fun, even if it be very short lived. :shrug:

ORGASMATRON
01-14-2009, 02:54 PM
I believe that bookies had him as the favorite at the beginning of the tournament. I don't remember what the differences between courts were.
http://www.menstennisforums.com/vbookie.php?do=viewitem&item_id=11249

Actually this is a very similar situation to the US Open. The bookies had Rafa as favorite judging by rcent form, but he didnt even make the finals. The bookies doesnt know tennis i think thats pretty obvious by now. I predict something similar will happen at the AO, with Murray going out in the semi's probably.

tennis2tennis
01-14-2009, 03:00 PM
You know what I really love about Roger (regardless of whether or not I agree with his views) is that he's honest! He doesn’t trash talk but he’s unapologetically blunt….no mincing his words or insincere modesty…

SheepleBuster
01-14-2009, 03:20 PM
Maybe if he stopped whining and concentrated more on his tennis then Andy wouldn't be favourite for the AO :devil:

Andy was a favorite last year and he crashed in the first round. Maybe if Andy reaches the 2nd round this year, Federer will stop whining? No? Nadal Djokovic and Federer are still ahead of Murray in my book.

Stefan Malz
01-14-2009, 03:22 PM
Frauderer is pissing his pants.

ZakMcCrack
01-14-2009, 03:41 PM
Typical comments from the Prince of Pissiness...Stop acting like a scorned girlfriend, Roger. Just like his comments when Rafa was rising and beating him time and time again, he gives these sorry backhanded compliments which reveal the prima donna he is. Guess what, Roger? The bookies, who around THE WORLD, seem to have a real pulse on what's going on in the sport realize that you've had your tail handed to you by Andy over the last few months...and are going by form...not legacy.

You want to use those assessments as "blackboard" inspiration, fine. But to come out and act like Serena Williams is petty...and shows how fragile his psyche really is.

He made the same kind of "professional judgments" when Rafa was rising...saying that Hewitt and Roddick were his main rivals. Ironically, not including the exho loss this year, Roger has a losing 2-5 record against Murray...and got spanked last time.

He mentions Novak because he does not fear Novak at this time...and he hopes that Andy feels slighted. What he fails to realize is that Rafa and Andy are NOT afraid of him...and will actually play better because of the comments.


Chill, dude - you're carrying this one way too far. Of course Roger was only being respectful by calling Hewitt and Roddick his main rivals at the point of time you're alluding to - easily comprehensible, isn't it, since either of them already got at least one Grand Slam, what made the two more deserved players than Rafa - back then, well understood. Sure, Murray has a very good record against Federer but considering that he himself got quite easily beaten by Fed at last year's USO, winning a Slam doesn't seem to be thus simple, all records aside? Anyway, what the heck is wrong with giving the more deserved players more credit, more props?
Moreover, by beating Roger you don't necessarily become a Grand Slam Winner - just as beating Sampras didn't immediately make Roger the new King of Queens...uhm, sorry...Wimbledon ;-P

Other than that I don't think Murray takes Roger's comments the wrong way such as you did.

dam0dred
01-14-2009, 04:03 PM
Favouritism? You spelled it wrong, and that word means something entirely different than the context you put it in. Sigh. :)

HattonWBA
01-14-2009, 04:05 PM
Typical comments from him, with his partially not bothered, partially bitchy and arrogant tone, just hope murray beats him in a slam, cus thats all he can gain from his head to head with Murray

Hugh Jaas
01-14-2009, 04:49 PM
Typical comments from him, with his partially not bothered, partially bitchy and arrogant tone, just hope murray beats him in a slam, cus thats all he can gain from his head to head with Murray

Fededer fails at trash talking WWE style and selling perfume

http://www.babolatshop.eu/kosmetika/roger_federer3.jpg

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-14-2009, 04:50 PM
If Murray mans up in a GS he will beat the ballet dancing pansy.

If Murray shows up to a GS final in a skirt (like US 2008) he will lose to the ballet dancing pansy.

Simple logic.

Hugh Jaas
01-14-2009, 04:55 PM
If Murray mans up in a GS he will beat the ballet dancing pansy.





SPARTA












Is Murray gay? MTF dont get mad at me for asking this its just a question, i honestly have nothing against gays im just asking. Seriously though i dont get this post :lol: You call Roger 'ballet boy' and then you put a gay picture of Murray up :confused: Not to mention saying that Murray is the future GOAT. Well i guess everyone is allowed to have their fun, even if it be very short lived. :shrug:

Gay? I dont think so.http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/01/article-1030163-01CF012800000578-112_468x717.jpg

scarecrows
01-14-2009, 05:08 PM
Frauderer is pissing his pants.

double account alert

Rafa = Fed Killa
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
Is Murray gay? MTF dont get mad at me for asking this its just a question, i honestly have nothing against gays im just asking. Seriously though i dont get this post :lol: You call Roger 'ballet boy' and then you put a gay picture of Murray up :confused: Not to mention saying that Murray is the future GOAT. Well i guess everyone is allowed to have their fun, even if it be very short lived. :shrug:

Compare Murrays girlfriend to Federers. Murrays is a good looking woman while Federers is some kind of mutated beast.

Byrd
01-14-2009, 05:16 PM
Compare Murrays girlfriend to Federers. Murrays is a good looking woman while Federers is some kind of mutated beast.

A dorito eating nerd living in his mum's basement, and mirka the mutated beast, you 2 would make a good couple :D

Hugh Jaas
01-14-2009, 05:29 PM
A dorito eating nerd living in his mum's basement, and mirka the mutated beast, you 2 would make a good couple :D

Your post is.........

































http://www.soundoffcolumn.com/images/Andy-Murray-6-07.jpg

ORGASMATRON
01-14-2009, 05:53 PM
Compare Murrays girlfriend to Federers. Murrays is a good looking woman while Federers is some kind of mutated beast.

You sound like a pretty superficial person. Those girls would never go for Murray if he wasnt a pro, so those relationships mean nothing. As for Roger we all know what a real guy he is, he could get a girls 10x as hot as Murray but he chooses love. Good luck to you in life...

ORGASMATRON
01-14-2009, 05:59 PM
SPARTA














Gay? I dont think so.http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/01/article-1030163-01CF012800000578-112_468x717.jpg

The pic doesnt mean he is not gay. But aint really the question. The point is you call Roger a ballet boy but then put up a pretty gay pic of Murray, just seemed odd to me. Anyone that calls the GOAT a ballet boy isnt a tennis fan anyway and doesnt really deserve my attention.

sawan66278
01-14-2009, 06:02 PM
Chill, dude - you're carrying this one way too far. Of course Roger was only being respectful by calling Hewitt and Roddick his main rivals at the point of time you're alluding to - easily comprehensible, isn't it, since either of them already got at least one Grand Slam, what made the two more deserved players than Rafa - back then, well understood. Sure, Murray has a very good record against Federer but considering that he himself got quite easily beaten by Fed at last year's USO, winning a Slam doesn't seem to be thus simple, all records aside? Anyway, what the heck is wrong with giving the more deserved players more credit, more props?
Moreover, by beating Roger you don't necessarily become a Grand Slam Winner - just as beating Sampras didn't immediately make Roger the new King of Queens...uhm, sorry...Wimbledon ;-P

Other than that I don't think Murray takes Roger's comments the wrong way such as you did.

Um...this was after Rafa had already established himself as a slam winner...and far ahead of the other two. The fact of the matter: Roger is the Kobe Bryant of men's tennis...a fun night for him is polishing his trophies and playing himself on XBox.

Let Roger "I'm either #1 or a grand slam champion, and not #2" deal with his fragile ego by discussing the matter with Freud...whom Roger says he's never met.

Vida
01-14-2009, 06:03 PM
Fededer fails at trash talking WWE style and selling perfume

http://www.babolatshop.eu/kosmetika/roger_federer3.jpg

wow :lol:

Fed is a true all court player!

Commander Data
01-14-2009, 06:05 PM
The point is you call Roger a ballet boy but then put up a pretty gay pic of Murray, just seemed odd to me.


:haha::haha::haha: